We really have to move on from 80/20. It's not even close to accurate. The 1 out of 17 men bred statistic in the last period of human history where women weren't controlled to some extent is far more accurate to again what we're experiencing now, just without the women getting pregnant because of birth control. It's 80/5, then 15/20, 5/75 in the game of sex. So basically 95/5 is the best rounded way of saying it.

we are fucked its over

Cope

It was 8000 years ago if I remember

So, monogamy + control of females is what ended inceldom for sub8 males?

Can any of you boyos imagine dozens of women competing to go on a date with you, and paying for it? Or women paying you to have sex with them? Can you imagine the endless validation you'd receive throughout your life? Can you imagine the fact that there might be women who are willing to rape you? Can you boyos? Not even Chad lives like this...

Rape is not a positive thing, no matter if it's men to women or women to men

I never said it was. It's not.

But for me, an Incel, I just can't get rapped by 95+% of women, because I'll consent to having sex with them.

If you want to be raped, you might have a mental condition

I don't want to be raped. What I said is I can't get rapped. By 95+% of women at least. Don't put words in my mouth please.

Why can't you be raped?

I can't because I'll consent to have sex with 95+% of women. I CONSENT (unless drugs are involved or something like that). Do I really have to elaborate?

So you want to be raped?

Dumb question. I never said I wanted to be raped. No I don't want to be raped. How many times do I have to explain this?

You want to have women force you into sex?

If it's a woman sure

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Yes I'd consent. And therefore it wont be rape. Therefore I can't get raped by women. As simple as that.

Have you ever had sex before?

No. Never. Sexless, kissless, dateless, hand-holdless virgin here.

What if I told you sex doesn't matter and won't make you magically happier? One night stands and random sex is overrated tbh.

Random one night sex is so shallow I don't know why any of y'all would pursue it, if you really just want your dick wet download tinder and bumble, I don't see what the big deal is. You don't have to be attractive to get your dick wet.

I'm surprised y'all aren't looking for a long term girlfriend to fix your problems, I'm glad you down have that illusion I suppose

Download the app right now, get creative, and swipe with standards. If you don't get at least a few a matches a week than you're doing something wrong. Once you realize what you're doing wrong fix it and move on.

Also if you're in Arizona or California you can get a prostitute and experience first hand the disappointment your first time will be... actually idk they are professionals lol.

But again, casual sex is overrated and you should seek self improvement instead

y'all

Everytime.

Listen, virgins are looked down upon. Escaping virginity is only natural for various social and biological reasons. Don't tell me to rot.

I got 0 matches on tinder. I only got matches when I changed my pics to a Chad and raised my height. I was the same person with the same bio, just my looks were different. Tinder doesn't work if you are a sub5 turbo manlet. And you indeed don't need to be attractive to get laid. However, good luck trying to get laid without paying if you're a sub5 turbo manlet. And we wouldn't be Incel if we can attract a girlfriend, Just lol at your statement! You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

I think you could still find love if you're under 5 feet tall, but damn if you ain't fucked by genetics lmao.

Even so, who gives a fuck if you're a virgin, you're not required to tell anyone that shit. Just own it if you feel you need to tell people.

I give a fuck if I am a virgin (and Roasties too, they judge you for that shit). I want to have sex and there is nothing wrong with that.

Except there is if you're being really overt and creepy about it. Just go get laid for fucks sake, lol.

I am trying trust me. I think I will in no more than 6 years time. When I will hopefully become rich (if everything goes right).

Orrrr you could meet women and socialize, and perhaps form a relationship, and she could be a supportive lover for those 6 years ;)

Sounds good, doesn't work.

I think the only thing keeping you from achieving that is your pessimism.

Or my experience throughout the years? Followed by my understanding of what attracts women? A man is simply not attractive to women when he's a turbo manlet with a 0/10 (looksmaxed) practically deformed face. Why would a woman still with such man when she has dozen of better options? This is just how the world works.

If a stranger came up to me and started rubbing my dick through my pants it's rape, to this guy apparently it's not?

I can read fine I just think we have different definitions of rape or something

Then he has a mental condition.... it's not natural to consent to that stuff

Not when forced by a stranger, no.

If a person comes up to you and puts a gun on your head and says take your dick out... you're being forced.

Do you have mental illness?

so you do

Look man, consent and being forced are two different things, everyone knows what consent is. Incase you don't:

con·sent kənˈsent/ noun noun: consent; plural noun: consents

1. permission for something to happen or agreement to do something.

She's not asking for permission when she's forcing it... If you honestly give permission to be taken a hold of and forced upon sexually, then you need to SEE A THERAPIST!

Nobody gives a shit about your mental gymnastics to try to prove someone else wrong, GET HELP!

He was making the claim that he was immune to rape, but all that is irrelevant now because i'm more concerned with what the fuck this link is.

Are you saying women desire rape now based on fifty shades? Or that they're lying about being raped with the whole me too thing? What does blackpill mean anyway?

dont kink shame xD

Lol, I suppose everyone has fantasies

It’s alright if you a woman of her stature.

Literaly cant imagine dat

Imagine having worth.

Value is defined by demand.

The fact that females are highly sought after gives them their immense value. They are certainly aware of this too, and have a high sense of self-worth because of it.

The fact that you have never, not even ONCE, been pursued or even desired means that you are entirely valueless in females' eyes. Our existence is reduced to nothing. We're something females would never consider buying. So OF COURSE incels feel, at the very least, distraught.

It's unthinkable that females sometimes come in here, from their positions of social opulence, and give us lectures. They will never truly be able to relate to us or understand what we suffer

I would live a life like a god tbh, and not a pawn

I'd love to open my dating app to hundreds of messages lol, imagine?

Imagine not being able to message a user by the name of BlackOps2 because his inbox is FULL

Then pulling out your credit card and paying a few extra dollars for the privilege of messaging him all so that he can just send the unopened letter into the trash bin

THAT is how good females have it

Accurate af

Youre a fucking retard. Most hot girls are hot cause of 30 lbs of make up that they had to wake up 4 hrs early to cake on. There are plenty of ugly ass women that don't get the special treatment.

Just cause you're an ugly ass dude and you can't fix it with make up doesn't mean that every woman can get whatever they want, always. Quit feeling sorry for yourself and find a woman that complements your ugly ass with her ugly ass. You're probably some troll-looking fuck, which sucks cause you can't do shit about it now, but you're expecting a 10/10 to come walking up to you and start sucking your dick. You need to set your standards to something a little more realistic. Otherwise your life is just gonna be a sad mess where you think everyone should feel bad for you. Guess what. Nobody will feel sad for you. Nobody gives a fuck. They're too busy with their own shit. Take some responsibility and control of your own life, quit making excuses of why this sucks and she's a bitch, blah blah blah, and start making changes in the areas of your life that you can.

Just some harsh realities for you, hopefully I wasn't too dickish but I feel like you've been enabled by friends and family, and maybe you need someone to tell you some truths. You aren't special. Nobody is. Enjoy life for what it is.

Tl;dr

You are a fucking retard

Either you are genetically cursed with inherited ugliness like incels, or you are cursed with inherited low iq and limited cognitive abilities like this fellow.

Both are equally miserable circumstances.

Hahahahah I'm sorry but that is hilarious. Some guys truly just can't win.

Omfg. norman solution - can't find love with someone who is attractive for you? Then find love with someone ugly as fuck! Problem solved! Now solve another problem and just stop breathing for 1 hour plx.

Your response is lazy and you're playing a victim. It's pretty black or white: if you're ugly, what makes you think someone good-looking is going to find you attractive?

You're probably one of those neckbeards that wants a Kate Upton, but doesn't understand why she wouldn't lower her standards for you. But then if you were suddenly made attractive, you would be shitting on all the ugly people and telling them to mate with that of their own kind.

Buddy, listen, I get it, it fucking sucks being unattractive. But if you're unattractive, that's the hand you've been dealt. No amount of lazy cop-out responses or playing victim is going to change that. You're setting yourself up for a pretty unhappy fucking life. You could be a lot less miserable.

Can't get famous supermodel --> just get landwhale and problem solved. Questions is why god created normans? First of all standards are not something you can change. Chad and I have the same standards, why would I force myself? If I could lower standards, I'd just fall in love with hole in the tree. Second thing I'm not even ugly + have/will have? some status. I'm just annoyed with bullshit spread by feminists or betacucks. And this is best place to let it out.

So, you want to date attractive women, but you are upset that attractive women want to date attractive men?

yes, dumbass, I didn't choose not to be chad. So I am upset that I'm fucked and that's not my fault. Also all womanoids want to date attractive men, omfg omfg normans are complete imbeciles

You're a lazy, loathing, fat bitch playing victim. I don't feel sorry for you or your dry, shriveled dick at all. I hope you don't reproduce for the sake of everyone else not having to deal with the absolute retardation that is your gene pool.

Telling by your sentence, structure, vocabulary and responses in general not to mention you spend your time on reddit being an angry virtue signaler, it appears that your iq isn’t very high meaning you shouldn’t produce either.

And quit using IQ as a reference point of intelligence. Nobody worth their salt gives any real merit to IQ. Also, if you're going to insult someone's intelligence, do so with proper punctuation. You're missing quite a few commas.

Jesus fuck, a virtue signaler? Are you guys some sort of cult? You have names for this shit?

ok, fuck off, why isn't that faggot already banned ?

Hookers and blow.

Yeah why haven't I been banned yet

Well, the ugly girls didn't choose to not be Stacies, you know. You are in the same boat with them.

Nop. This boat would sink due to overwhaling

God you people are real? Holy fuck boys this is some crazy fuckin shit.

I really can't tell if you faggots are serious.

Get a life and quit haranguing the incels sub god fucking damn.

Sorry man. You guys are a different breed for sure. I hope that one day you all find happiness with someone, and they find it with you. This way of thinking is unhealthy. And it's not my place to tell you how to live your life but if I'm gonna be a dick then I'm gonna make it worth it. The world isn't as bad as you're making it out to be. Maybe I can say that because I've had a different upbringing and I don't know your situation. But I can tell you that there are more things in life to find enjoyment out of than relationships or sex. Yeah, those things can be good, but they come with their shit as well.

Steer clear of the women out there to use you, but also remember that not every woman is going to use you, or friendzone you.

Also, if you're a little chunky, lose some weight! I know it's not easy! If it were easy, everyone would be skinny! But if sex and relationships matter to you, your health will be a factor that comes up in both. That's fuckin biology at it's core. Look at any other animal ever. They have attractions, mating calls, whether it's a display of colors or a sound made, there is something that makes the women tick. Being in good physical shape is something that make female humans tick. If you're unhealthy, their brains are going to subconsciously be telling them you're no good to mate with! You think that only applies to cheetahs and monkeys and birds and shit.... NO! YOU ARE AN ANIMAL TOO.

I'm not trying to spam your sub. I'm trying to give you some outside advice on how to improve your situation.

Quit feeling sorry for yourselves. It is a literal waste of time. If you're waiting for someone to come fix your problem, you're fucked. Cause nobody can or will fix your problem except for yourself. Instead, spend that energy bettering some parts of your life.

Oh my god why don’t you quit being a little bitch and making excuses and go advocate the government euthanize ugly and undesirables.

See, the problem is not only are you ugly, but stupid as well.

It’s a stripped down, logical presupposition and solution to your issues. Instead of dodging the bulk of it.

I mean if someone is ugly and society does not want them, the positive utilitarian thing to do would be to expire them altogether instead of the inefficient measure of spouting worthless platitudes from simple-minded people.

So are you saying youd be better off dead? But you won't kill yourself. But you want the hot people to kill you? What sort of kinky shit are you into? What happened to you as a child?

Also, if someone is ugly, that does not mean that they cannot contribute to the betterment of humanity as a whole. Look at NASA for Christ's sake. Any of those geeks could swing the ladies and be rocket scientists. Physical appearance is not the only ideal quality in a mate. Intelligence amongst other things is pretty up there. Being smart is sexy.

If you're stupid and ugly, then yeah I agree, you do not add much to the overall improvement of society and humanity would be better off without you.

being smart is sexy

No, being an already sexy Chad and wearing full frame glasses is sexy to roasties. Tell me who wants to get to know the awkward STEMbro with cystic acne and asthma WHO ISN'T AFTER HIS BETABUXX

You fucking normies make me sick. "Intelligence is sexy!" Yet an ugly man who has consistently been in the 3.5+ GPA range can't get a damn thing while Chad with his double digit IQ and his flat 2 GPA gets all the pussy from all the women.

Let the Chad get all that pussy then. What it will translate into for him is STDs, bastard children, and multiple child support checks garnished from his check every month. Congrats. He got the pussy and everything that comes with it.

You're stuck in a vile mentality. A constant downward spiral of self-degradation. Have some self-worth man. There has got to be areas of your life that you find pride in?

I'm proud of a lot of things. It's just that the things I'm proud about have never mattered to women. Kinda leaves you bitter after the billionth time you get turned down by a girl who says she only dates smart guys but who proceeds to gobble a borderline retarded Chad's dick.

How open minded, forward-thinking and intersectional of you.

You know you could do the simple, earnest and humane thing and simply advocate for eugenics and euthanasia but instead you will continue to spout off the most asinine and trite of platitudes and false altruism. You know that you need the inferiors budding shoulders with you. It’s like some filthy unity of opposites, in which the virtue-signaling liberal needs his incessant pathological validation by the presence of incels and other scum that lie outside of the paradigm of his perceived personal fulfillment.

As Albert Camus once said, life is superfluous outside of human relationships and human perceptions. There is nothing to enjoy in such a self-aggrandizng and predatory roach pit of a world and species.

At the other end you’re obviously a very uncouth, uncultivated and clearly a middling-iq individual. So in that sense it’s simply a shit-slinging fest.

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Ive never seen ugly girls get that kind of attention throughout school. Definitely no competition for 300lb Bertha with glasses in the back. Some do get boyfriends, because they share common interest and because of personality. Other people, girls and guys included, can be asked out by any gender if they are attractive. Of course the frequency of which depends on how attractive. Life is a popularity contest no matter who you are. I myself am by no means a model or anything but have been asked out by two girls. Not the most impressive number but just to prove a point of it happening. of course it all correlates to attractiveness first, then personality second as that is the order of what is seen by the other person. This applies to both genders. Now if youre not attractive you have to fall back on personality to get the other gender, this is where incels fail and why incels remain incels. Your personalities are shit and maybe if you stopped blaming everyone else for your inadeqaucies maybe a girl wouldnt want to feel like blowing her brains out after 5 minutes of talking to you. Another area that holds you back is holding a whole group accountable for the actions of some. There are very shitty men and very shitty women. But men and women as a whole are not shit. Its really simple and I do feel pretty sorry for you underdeveloped autistic retards trying to navigate the dating life with the social maturity of a neglected 6 year old.

How can you even say that you know what my personality is like when you haven't even met me? wtf.

Well you can tell a lot about personality based on a person's held beliefs, the way they think, and why they think them. If you think the same way as this post its highly likely your personaility is shit. If you think you are a virgin involuntarily or that its other people's fault for everything, well thats indicative of a lot of deficiencies in your personaility. Selfishness, narcissism, ect...

If thats not you then fine, the comment wasnt directed to you so you have no reason to worry about it

Good to know.

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You can get a general idea of what the majority of people's personalities are like, sure, but there are still differences in groups and not between them.

I don't think that I am a virgin because "it's other people's fault", I think that I am incel because of my fucked chin, and they way I look.

Is that part of that from my genetics? Sure.

Do I blame my parents for bringing me in this world with a fucked up face? Of course not! What I look like is out of their control, and even if it was, they wont know what I would want my face to look like before hand anyways, and it is not their responsibility to take action either. Though if I had a child (if that was in the realm of possibilities) I would definitely want him to look like chad, and not some creature with a fucked chin and big nose.

Getting laid has nothing to do with any measure of anything. But dating is entirely a social action requires emotional and social maturity to maintain relationships with people very different from you with a different set of beliefs. Its also important to maintain the same set of social norms as the general population because, as implied, its the normal and anything different can be off putting and weird. Thats not #inceltearslogic its how humans have been interacting and maintaining relationships since the beginning of time. Its just logic.

Well your problem is you just want to fuck. Girls are people too and you can find ones who just want to fuck but if thats all you go looking for Im not surprised in the slightest you havent had success.

Well it works. Should of stuck with it.

Reading your comments i can safely say that your personality is just as shitty as every other normie in this sub, you have no desire to see people happy, only the desire to hurt others for your own pleasure.

Oh can you safely say that? Well you are right I dont give a shit about internet people I never met being happy. But its helpful advice for those that want to listen.

Hey, it's okay, you sound jaded as if you've spent the last third of your life growing up in some kind of human detainment camp where the crappiest, vainest social manipulations in the books are let to run rampant. You could sound so much more diplomatic with just a bit more word-searching.

Blah, going back to that thing you wrote and not how you wrote it: Freakin' a, your first observation: Ive never seen ugly girls get that kind of attention throughout school." Freaking perfect. That's an observation I've had outside of school for a large most part. I think part of it is that people get more attractive as they start feeling more motivated, positive and whatnot that can really curb the trend of people ignoring girls who aren't born attention-magnets.

That being said, I think there's allot of tensions and alienations between the genders that exaserbate things. Before we'd have young people of various genders intermingling more and everyone who was insecure had a chance to prove themselves the old fashioned way that they're not a creep, by just bein' a person.

It's rough compensating for that drive to put off ''settling'' on someone because you could find your true love around the corner, but it's like, sometimes there can be allot more to the people and things that are naturally around you. "The grass is always greener" never sat right with me as a saying, but there is ample reason to respect the real place and people we're with too.

Still women have it easier than us.

That whole okshit experiment seems to be worthless. Chad to stacy reply rate - 45%, BlackOps2cel to stacy reply rate - 13% wtf wtf wtf

A guy can dream...

You probably still couldn't get laid.

the fuck??? this is not how this works at all??? are you seriously trying to tell me that 80% of guys are hitting on ugly girls? trust me the bottom 20% of girls get almost male attention.

Ha, yes, that article that when you dug a bit, couldn't provide its sources :D

I know, have read it. But this Tinder experiment data ( Which isn't even contained in this article, only in the previous article by the same guy, which makes me think you haven't even actually seen the data ) is nowhere near adequate to make up that conclusion. In fact, it doesn't even involve a single woman profile, or any like, for that matter, despite grandiose claims about both.

But of course you gulped the made up conclusion still because it fit your narrative.

Mind proving your own claim instead of pointing at an unrelated experiment that neither proves nor even attempts to validate it ? Or are you that intellectually disingenuous ?

There are roughly half as many women as there are men on dating apps ( Source: http://www.pewinternet.org/2013/10/21/part-2-dating-apps-and-online-dating-sites/ ; Do not look at the first table, it includes dating sites, there's one dedicated to dating apps further below ).

That means 333 women for every 666 men, assuming a population of 999, for easier numbers.

Now we can fairly easily assume that each man and each woman will give out a fairly equal number of likes on average, because they're both gonna dedicate as much time to it. In our population, assuming each person goes through every person of the opposite gender ( If they don't, we could apply this reasoning to the average number of people one goes through on average, so the difference doesn't matter ), this means that:

Men will give out 666xL likes ( This is 666 times the average like rate ) to 333 women, meaning 666 x L / 333 = 2 x L likes per woman on average

Apply the same reasoning to the opposite side, and that's 333 x L / 666 = 0.5 x L likes per man on average.

Of course, this is assuming those rates are equal for both genders, but we're trying to find out whether your experiment is anomalous against the theory that both genders act the same way ( Adjusted for their numbers, of course ), so we're going for that "genders act the same" theory.

Notice that against the simplest intuition, the ratio of likes is that of people squared ( 2 / 0.5 = 4 = ( 666 / 333 )² ), which probably helps misconceptions about what the expected result should be, as most people would simply expect the ratio of likes to be that of people. This is of course because there are twice as many likes from men as there are from women, and then half as many women to receive these likes as there are men.

This means that just the effect of the male "overpopulation" should make a woman receive on average ( 2 x L ) / ( 0.5 x L ) = 4 times more likes than a man.

Brian got 269 matches; Brianna got 701.

701 / 269 = 2.6

This isn't the expected result, but it actually favours men when compared to said expected result when we assume the same behaviour from both genders. This means that behavioural differences, when totalled, favour men; This doesn't mean there doesn't exist behaviours that favour women, but they are demonstrably offset by others that favour men, at least according to this experiment of yours.

As far as I'm concerned, your experience means jack sh#t, but there, I have demonstrated that if it demonstrates anything, it demonstrates that men are favoured.

wut, 70% of liked guys liked her too. 27% liked Chad back. male to femoid ratio doesn't matter?

You made me realize that this was out of 1000 swipes for each, right.

Some of the reasoning still holds, though, since more men will see a particular woman than women will see a particular man simply because people just don't browse through the entire database, and will thus see only a portion of it.

Assuming 333 / 666 again, this means that if someone goes through say 100 people on average, a woman will be seen nearly a third of the time by each man, while a man will be seen a little less than a sixth.

This would already explain a 2.0 ratio.

• it was swiped at the beginning, so people who liked weren't moved "up". They could have waited longer, but I don't think he would get more matches, according to some guy 20% is already very high.

I have no idea what that really means, I don't use Tinder.

Now we can fairly easily assume that each man and each woman will give out a fairly equal number of likes on average

Uh, no. Many men use the "scattershot" method of liking/swiping/messaging as many people as possible, while you often hear women complaining there are very few men deemed good enough.

As someone pointed out the reasoning is wrong because both match numbers were out of 1000 swipes. This doesn't really change the reasoning behind my prediction, however, though since it doesn't line up with the experiment, the comparison is mostly moot.

Back on topic, this was assuming the same strategy for both genders; That is what dating would look like if men and women behaved the exact same way, i.e without any "hypergamy" or whatever.

If the same strategy for both genders yields a 4 ratio ( Because of the population disparity ) and actuality is a 2.6 ratio (2.6 being better for men in this case; Again, this conclusion is based on a wrong assumption, but I'm describing the reasoning here), then it is obvious that the differences, if anything, favour men, since they are better off than if both genders were treated 100% equally.

WHo the fuck would have better data on this subject than fucking Tinder you moron?

...The data he provides isn't from Tinder, it's from his own experiment.

And again, said data does not even include any woman profile.

it's not from his own experiment, all the info suggesting the OP can be easily found on okcupid and tinder experiments

Really not. Tinder and stuff simply have twice as many men as women.

yea if you actually read the sources you can see they adjust for that

I could tell 9s: "bitch get of mah dick, u ugly!"

When women can't get men they get pets. Happens today as well (heck there are women who prefer pets over guys).

Also in what universe are there 4 guys competing over every ugly girl? It's more like everyone is looking for the hottest person they can get.

Jesus 4/5 men are virgins

virginity doesn't matter as much as validation, and 4/5 of men never get it (normies think they do then are shocked when she cheats on them)

Can you link me some sort of factual evidence on this metric

no fuck off nirmie

bought as much as I expected

There'd be scores of femoids waiting hiding in your house to rape you when you get home from work, they'd collect their cum in bottles and throw it at you then cry and grab your head and slam it onto their tits until you threw them out.

Oh wait i thought you said something else oh well fuck it

Ha, yes, that article that when you dug a bit, couldn't provide its sources :D

Mind proving your own claim instead of pointing at an unrelated experiment that neither proves nor even attempts to validate it ? Or are you that intellectually disingenuous ?

If it's a woman sure

Lol, I suppose everyone has fantasies

If a person comes up to you and puts a gun on your head and says take your dick out... you're being forced.

It’s alright if you a woman of her stature.

Well it works. Should of stuck with it.