Why were women complaining when they were the property of men? They were provided food, water and a roof over their heads by their husbands. All their needs were satisfied...

Because they were being provided by ugly people they only knew next door or across the street. They wanted rights so they could search for the provider who was Chad.

women were happier back in the 1950s than now

You guys would certainly have gotten pussy in the 50s when girls were mirin' at Elvis Presley and alike

your point?

Your life wouldn't be easier if you lived in the 50s

and how do you know that?

You project a lot of your understanding of life from pop culture, and women liking hot singers isn't exactly a new phenomenon

so? people liked attractive people since the stone ages. whats your point?

They wanted the freedom to do how they pleased. The same freedom you have, but don't enjoy.

I don't have any freedoms in my sexual life, lol. I'm not a woman.

Freedom != "getting everything you want without doing anything for it".

Wtf? Why do you think I don't do anything for it? I have (cold) approached hundreds of women. I've tried all those shit and pointless dating sites. All rejections, everywhere, all the time.

The only thing that works for incels is prostitution and that's fucking expensive.

So you've tried everything except, just, you know, befriending women naturally ?

Nobody is ever in a position to just befriend someone naturally, there is no where to do it.

...F#cking what ? Class, hobbies, work ?

No classes around here, no hobby groups, jobs are hard to find and I'm not in physical condition for one yet. Even if I did I wouldn't be able to befriend anyone naturally probably.

...Then isn't the problem that there is essentially nothing in your life ? Fix that before trying to find a girlfriend, if only for yourself.

Even then, the internet is a thing, and even without actively searching for a GF, you will meet women there. In fact, Discord servers dedicated to specific hobbies and stuff exist, and considering you seem to be pretty isolated, finding people just to talk to is probably a good idea.

...Then isn't the problem that there is essentially nothing in your life ? Fix that before trying to find a girlfriend, if only for yourself.

...What? I can't just suddenly make things appear. I have got so much bullshit like that, there is just really nothing to meet people from around here, maybe work if I had a job but that seems a ways out.

I don't care that much about being able to talk to someone online, I can do that as is. Dating sites specifically are just a waste of time.

Then...Just what is your plan for the future exactly ?

Get a job and suffer, that's really it. I can't meet anybody and nobody seems to get that.

How would you meet anybody, right now ? This is really a case of you wanting to reach Step 10, getting a girlfriend, when for now, it seems you haven't really completed Step 1, actually meeting women.

My advice is this:

• Get out of r/braincels, it will only put you down with self-pitying "advices" and a doomgloom mentality, when your problem really is that you really aren't in position to get a GF, objectively, and this doesn't have much to do with you as a person.

• Get a job, hobbies, or even study, all that, before you try to get a GF. First, because those are more important than a GF, but also because they're mostly requirements to getting one.

I've been trying to get advice on step one from my family but I'm told to shut up, given indifferent therapist style false "understanding", told I just can't meet girls at all under any conditions, being told to "just wait", get told they are trying their best to find somewhere I could potentially meet girls from for the last fucking year and they haven't thought of anything, get told to getting a girlfriend isn't worth it and I should just forget about it and/or get completely misunderstood despite my wording being very clear but no matter what they think I am asking for an instant girlfriend and can't fucking understand I just want somewhere to meet one and my family panicking when I get pissed off at their bullshit. Those peices of shit are going to get me sent to jail one day with their bullshit.

Get out of r/braincels, it will only put you down with self-pitying "advices" and a doomgloom mentality, when your problem really is that you really aren't in position to get a GF, objectively, and this doesn't have much to do with you as a person.

Last time I was away for a while it just made me feel even worse with everyone acting like being single isn't a problem and fucking ignoring everything I say or misunderstanding it.

Get a job, hobbies, or even study, all that, before you try to get a GF. First, because those are more important than a GF, but also because they're mostly requirements to getting one

My lack of a girlfriend is keeping me from functioning normally, it keeps me up at night, causes me to get pissed off with the bullshit advice I'm given, and it isn't like I can just forget about my desire for female companionship, I've considered asking my doctor for something to lower my sex drive but I feel like it's just general loneliness. I want to be able to find somewhere to meet a girl before I start doing anything that would take up most of my time.

I feel like it's just general loneliness.

This really looks like that's what it is. Fix that problem before you try to get a girlfriend, especially since you most likely won't find a girlfriend without meeting people to begin with.

find somewhere I could potentially meet girls

I want to be able to find somewhere to meet a girl before I start doing anything that would take up most of my time.

Yeah but here's the thing: Most people find a girlfriend by actually doing other stuff. "Searching for a girlfriend" isn't an activity, it's a state.

Some people are looking for a girlfriend, but that doesn't mean they spend their time on Tinder or whatever, or that they skulk bars or clubs trying to find single women. That just means that women around them ( For whatever reason, work, circle of friends, hobbies... ) are potential girlfriends.

It seems you're stuck in that vicious circle that you want a GF before you do other stuff, but you won't get a GF without doing other stuff.

You need to find a job, hobbies or whatever, and move forward, and not only so you can eventually find a GF, but also for yourself.

I want some form of affection from a girl,not to just have a few friends. Like I said, I just want to find a place where I could even meet girls, not go straight to having a girlfriend, but just find out where I could meet girls when I do have a job. I don't need to "find myself" not knowing what it's like to be in a relationship is what's holding me back because it's constantly eating away at me.

I just want to find a place where I could even meet girls

Anywhere you'd meet people ? Like, men and women are the same species, and it's not the 50s, anywhere you'd find men, you'll find women ( Okay, maybe not the men's restroom, but, you know ).

This is why I'm telling you to just find a job or get hobbies, because that is actually how you meet women, simply by doing stuff that will get you to meet people, some of which will inevitably be women.

Anywhere you'd meet people ? Like, men and women are the same species, and it's not the 50s, anywhere you'd find men, you'll find women ( Okay, maybe not the men's restroom, but, you know ).

That leads to the wider issue of "I can't meet anybody".

This is why I'm telling you to just find a job or get hobbies, because that is actually how you meet women, simply by doing stuff that will get you to meet people, some of which will inevitably be women.

I just don't want the commitment and investment of a hobby to try to find women, and I don't even know where I'd start.

That leads to the wider issue of "I can't meet anybody".

That you can't meet anybody will be a gnawing issue regardless of you having a girlfriend or not, hence why this should be the problem you aim to solve, since it will also help you solve the GF problem, while the contrary just isn't true.

I just don't want the commitment and investment of a hobby to try to find women, and I don't even know where I'd start.

Yeah...That's life ? You're just not gonna get through it doing only stuff you positively want to do.

Also finding hobbies is pretty important for you regardless. I don't know, do some sport or something, there's one for everyone.

That you can't meet anybody will be a gnawing issue regardless of you having a girlfriend or not, hence why this should be the problem you aim to solve, since it will also help you solve the GF problem, while the contrary just isn't true.

That issue would be solved if I knew where to meet women which is also a prerequisite for getting a girlfriend.

Yeah...That's life ? You're just not gonna get through it doing only stuff you positively want to do.

I mean here I am thinking hobbies were supposed to be something enjoyable that you want to spend time and money on...

Also finding hobbies is pretty important for you regardless. I don't know, do some sport or something, there's one for everyone.

I'm too out of shape and in pain to get a job before getting on some kind of painkiller for it, I'm not in condition for any kind of active sport.

I'm too out of shape and in pain to get a job before getting on some kind of painkiller for it, I'm not in condition for any kind of active sport.

...You seem to have many problems you need to fix before you can get a GF. And that's not even for yourself, that's also because, honestly, why should any woman want you as their BF in that state ?

that's also because, honestly, why should any woman want you as their BF in that state

Emotional support, affection, a car if they need to get somewhere, an above average size penis, a sense of protection, a possibly average face if I lost weight assume there is a bit of fat in my face and cuddles... really hardly nothing but I could be worse, going to be getting on some meds and going to physical therapy soon enough so I might be able to go to work soon. I'm not overwhelmingly obese I have a bad back and legs as well.

This is really, really not much, especially when this all relies on what you will do and not what you are doing or are.

I look like I know how to fix things and keep them running based on my car I guess so that's something. Women won't know right off the bat what I do or what I am(I don't even know what you mean by that, you mean like job title?). Other than that when I get a job I'll be able to offer all the luxury that minimum wage allows me to have which is also basically nothing

I actually have one (1) female (half-kinda) friend. She knows how much trouble I have attracting women. Want to know what her advice was? "Get a foreign wife". Yeah.... great. My destiny is to be a beta cuck to some bitch that can't even properly speak my language.

Men are soooooo privileged.

My own parents have given me that advice... along with telling me I should consider getting a job and hiring an escort... That's some of the better advice I've been given... With the worst(from randoms) being "go gay", "go trans", "become a furry and go gay, you don't have to know what's in the fursuit!", "date a transwoman", "become a sub in a relationship"(if I could get to that point I wouldn't need the advice), "get involved with a girl in an open relationship", and those are just the ones I can remember.

Hiring an escort is not a bad idea. I really don't understand incels that don't. Life completely devoid of any sexual intimacy sounds like hell to me.

All those other advices are complete trash though, yeah.

I mean sex with an escort seems like it would be devoid of any sexual intimacy as well. Seems like basically like an overpriced rented fleshlight. I have trouble trying to convince myself the only real life friend I have even cares about me, I doubt I'd be able to just forget for the moment that there is no actual intimacy and I'd be just as depressed as before...

It's not... they are really good at faking to be into you. Just try it if you haven't. What do you have to lose? The risk of getting an STD is close to zero.

Still I feel like it would be depressing when it's over in that case.

So a foreign woman is by definition a 'some bitch'? Gee, I wonder why women aren't throwing themselves at you.

I care about being able to talk about shit, fuck me right?

I had tons of female “friends”.

We can't get sex without hiring a prostitute or rape, both are illigal. There isn't even a fucking place to meet women.

That's like saying "I can't even get money without robbing a bank or printing my own and both is illegal". How is there "no place for meeting women"? How about bars, the bus, the zoo or online?

It's fucking socially acceptable to fucking APPROACH RANDOM WOMEN YOU DON'T KNOW AND START HITTING ON THEM LOL. That is what the whole fucking "MeToo" thing is about, moron.

You're expecting feminists to care about reality and not whatever exists inside of their heads? Your expectations might be too high...

...#Metoo involved consensual sex being demonized by many people (louis ck, brian williams, aziz ansazi, etc.)...

...but you'll never hear the feminists acknowledge that unless they can throw in some caveats that absolve them of any negative behavior...

...then you have it being illegal in some European countries to approach women (while those same countries cover up rape statistics from refugees because FUCK REALITY LEFTISM IS HERE).

It's really simple, women (and feminists, both man and women) don't care about reality. THEY DON'T CARE. TAKE YOUR FACTS, TAKE YOUR REALITY, AND GO HOME, THIS IS HER SHOW NOW AND SHE DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT SOMETHING STUPID AND SIMPLE LIKE REALITY.

No, thats not what #MeToo is about bro.

http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/resources/male-allies/how-to-talk-to-women/

Women deserve the same right to privacy in public that most men enjoy, and many women will view a man who approaches her for any reason other than a gender-neutral one, such as asking for directions, the time, or to offer assistance, as violating their privacy, and they may be rude or hostile.

Most of the time, women do not want to be approached for a date by a man in public places like the street or at a bus stop. Women are usually in public for a reason: to commute to school or work, to run errands, or to get exercise, not to meet men.

Do not assume all women are single, heterosexual or bisexual, or interested in male attention or in forming a relationship.

This is from probably the biggest organisation involved in the #MeToo movement. Cited often in BBC, CNN, The New York times, NBC Today and The Washington Post, as you can see at the bottom of their home page.

http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/

They do not say you shouldn't spproach women in public, they just give valuable advice on how to do that without being a creep. Tbh its a bit horrible some men need to be told these basics of human interaction.

I was literally quoting it and you refuse to fucking accept what it says.

Let me copy and paste this once again:

Do not assume all women are single, heterosexual or bisexual, or interested in male attention or in forming a relationship.

Most of the time, women do not want to be approached for a date by a man in public places like the street or at a bus stop. Women are usually in public for a reason: to commute to school or work, to run errands, or to get exercise, not to meet men.

Women deserve the same right to privacy in public that most men enjoy, and many women will view a man who approaches her for any reason other than a gender-neutral one, such as asking for directions, the time, or to offer assistance, as violating their privacy, and they may be rude or hostile.

What you are suggesting is going up to random fucking women who are going about their business, assuming they are single and straight and trying to hit on them. That's all three of these things struck off.

Yeah, I read your post dude. Again: nowhere does it say it's not allowed to flirt with or talk to women in public. You're not supposed to randomly start talking to them though. You might want to go to http://www.google.com and enter "flirting", maybe that will clear some things up. If you're too fucking autistic to pick up basic social cues, then it really is over for you.

holy shit you really are a stubborn little prick aren't you

That's like saying "I can't even get money without robbing a bank or printing my own and both is illegal".

I mean not many places are looking to hire an unwashed homeless man so that analogy works well enough.

How is there "no place for meeting women"? How about bars, the bus, the zoo or online?

I can't drink, don't take the bus(I don't even think there are any around this area), and don't go to zoos, regardless I feel like in all of those cases I just wouldn't have anything to talk about so I couldn't even carry on an awkward conversation.

Might wanna change that then bro.

It isn't like I can just start a conversation and have it flow naturally, it would be extremely forced to matter what and I have no desire to want to go anywhere like a zoo and I definately don't have a reason to use a bus, I don't go anywhere, most of the time when I get out of the house it's just to keep the car running.

You're a volcel then, right?

No, I just couldn't get any advice on where to actually be able to meet girls around here, I've been complaining to my family for over a year and they haven't given me any way to meet people, how am I supposed to deal with that kind of shit? And then everyone blames it on me when I get pissed off about them buring away a year of my life with their "I'm trying the best I can" and "you will find one eventually, don't try" bullshit, while I had to find every single thing I tried no matter how depressing it was to see people in relationships or people socializing.

I will assume you are trolling, noone can be stupid enough to blame their parents for not meeting new people.

been homeschooled since elementry school, never got out, and never was taught were I could meet people.

And then at some point you stopped working on self-improvement and learning new things?

Social skills are like any other skills. They don't just magically appear and it's not like perfect pitch where you only have a few years to learn it.

No clue what you mean self improvement and I never stopped learning new things. Social skills are a hell of a lot different than other skills because there isn't any advice on where to get started from all I could find.

You can read about the "leaving the house" concept on the internet.

I read plenty about interaction but it's all so vaugue.

You don't learn how to play a guitar by reading about playing guitars.

Here's a foolproof way to get to know some people: volunteer.

If you are in the US, there's an election this fall. Call up a local Democrat or Republican campaign and volunteer. You will meet a lot of people, you will spend a lot of time working with them on common goals, and it feels good.

Can meet some good apes at the zoo

Freedom also != not being allowed to get anything out of life that you want... which is what most of the people in this subreddit have to deal with.

And we want sex, same sex you all have and often enjoy

Go get it tiger!

Then I'd end up like the guy in the post. But it wouldn't make any difference.

Women were free to try and escape so your argument is invalid.

they were not complaining, femoids have nature of sheeps, they don't need any fucking freedom, and in many countries they don't have it and don't complain. I know 80% of men (betacucks) share this view. But we can't let those 20% get femoidisied and cuckoidised.

You're a weirdo eh

ty

As long as the lack of it doesn't directly kill you, it's not a need! -normfags

In all fairness a lack of a lot of things won't kill you but could potentially drive you insane if you're forced to go without it for a while.

And yet I still have people act like I have "anger issues" just because I can't meet a girl...

I think you have a reason to be angry, rejection and consistent failure are understandably frustrating, so irrational anger issues... probably not.

I don't even get failure or rejection from women, I feel like I'm getting rejection from my family about my ability to even talk to people.

From an anxiety standpoint I understand that, it's difficult to even convince yourself to go outside , let alone interact with other people. Over time that probably leads to thinking people close to you are feeling judgemental or that you aren't living up to expectations

I just don't have a chance to meet anyone and haven't been given an idea of where to go up until recently am bitter about that and somehow that means there are no places to even meet women for me... I don't get that logic.

Well I think for now meeting women shouldn't really be the priority so much as just interacting with people. Have you tried the Meetup app? It worked pretty well for me even though my schedule tends to keep me busy almost constantly. I'd say my biggest piece of advice would be work your way up from just being around people, to specifically meeting people, then meeting women.

I tried meet up, but there wasn't much stuff with participants around my age or anything I'm too interested in, tried D&D but it was kinda awkward when I'm nervous around people in the first place.

Understandable. As an introvert my.interests tend to stick to whatever is on my computer or ps4 so most of the people I talk to regularly aren't even in my city save for the ones from work and school. Thiugh I wouldn't really take this bit too seriously, try a bar I'd you're old enough. I find a few shots or a beer helps me loosen up around people I don't know, and depending on where you go the people there are pretty friendly. I've even had a few fights thst ended with handshakes and toasts from the other guys

Tell that to normfags

Well things like extended sensory deprivation will seriously fuck just about anyone up, they use it for torture from what I understand

What do you want from me?

Eh it's been a slow morning at work so I thought I'd just share y two cents on the issue. I think if you use that information in the right way it can properly justify what seems like psychotic behavior from the outside. Would need to be carefully worded though

I think skin hunger falls under sensory deprivation.

More under social deprivation, also a human need that'll drive you insane if you go without it long enough

For once I agree with you. And this only makes me worry more for my own sanity.

I think for general mental health you'll be fine as long as you have regular human contact. Long periods of being deprived of that will gradually make you lose your mind, I think if you go without romantic or sexual contact for seriously extended periods of time you can develop like mood swings and depression. You learn some weird things in first year psych

Yeah, well, the few friendships I've managed to make in my life are fading away, and I'm transitioning into a work-at-home job, that may or may not work out. If it does work out, I have to take it, because I honestly don't have many options. So I see myself going back to being completely isolated soon. It will be a problem again.

And even with my friendships now, I don't have regular human contact. It's irregular and sparse.

Normalfags BTFO.

I sometimes fantasize about getting a life sentence. It sounds nice.

You did get a life sentence. Think about it.

I wonder what the difference will be.

No worries, no expectations, no future, just existence.

When you put it like, that that might be a slight improvement.

You get 3 hots and a cot too

No difference really.

BBC up the asshole.

I don't care about your fetishes.

lol this is what life has become huh? where living in prison seems nice or not different at all? it's pretty depressing.

Slavery must be pretty nice then, same with jail.

slaves got femoids to breed.

not slavecel tho

course he likely would have died as a child anyway, no use

Yeah it literally feels like being in jail.

You've literally been in jail?

It honestly isn't hard to visualize how badly it would feel to be locked in a cage all day.

The locked in the cage isn't the bad part. The bad part is interacting with the other violent sociopaths around you. But I guess you don't interact much so it didn't come to mind.

The locked in the cage isn't the bad part.

Are you fuckin stupid?

The bad part is interacting with the other violent sociopaths around you.

That's the bad part too, but so is being locked in a cage you fuckin retard.

Also, not impossible to visualize being in that situation either.

But I guess you don't interact much so it didn't come to mind.

...and you know my life story how? I think someone who spends his free time getting offended over subreddits is more likely to not have any positive social interactions.

Where did I say I was offended by subreddits?

You seem upset lol

When you decided to spurge all over our subreddit.

You seem upset lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

Just said he has no idea what prison is like, that's all. It's a fair point, no need to throw your autism rage at me.

autism rage

Projection much?

Nothing in any of my posts indicate rage. I'm guessing you just say "projection" when you have no other arguments.

Kinda like how you say "autism", only my word actually applies to the situation.

no

Yes. Jail is better than this total isolation

I've tried to think of a way to meme this before, you did good.

My current housing isn't that much different to this. You grow used to it

Why are you not changing something inside your flat

My walls are smeared with diarrhea I don't even care anymore

Well I guess that's a start but i recommend less shitty decoration

Doesn’t the smell bother you?

40 HKV double the age of me , you motivate me much. Wont give up hope yet . How didnt you end it already.

same. the worst part is that when i was with my parents, i lived in a rich area.

I live in a bus most of the time. No power, wood burning stove for heat, dice and cards for entertainment. Seats have been ripped out and replaced with bunk beds and couches.

Tbh I kinda like it. I need to get out into the world at some point, and make my fortune. But I'll probably end up coming back to this style of living once I have the money I need to stop worrying about money. Only difference I'd make is to ensure the bus actually drives.

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The fulfillment of every essential need tied to our survival is incentivized by positive feelings. Conversely, deprivation of those needs is deterred by negative feelings. There is nothing more fundamental to our survival as a species than sex, food/water, and physical safety. Just as a lack of food results in hunger, insufficient physical protection in trauma, sex-deprivation invariably leads to a multitude of painful feelings and emotions. The mind suffers and slowly dies from its failure to accomplish the very task for which it was designed by evolution

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Dude what the hell. Not ok. Not ok at all.

what did it say?

It's a numbers game man. Keep trying 😂

I honestly have no idea what that means

Nice.

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pls do not encourage rape on this sub

Holy shit. r/murderedbywords

KEK

This is gold worthy tbh

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Looool you cum in yours when another guy touches your meatflaps wife, faggot

Yeah, but that sure won't be you :)

Cuckold confirmed

Protip: try over and over again like you already have only to get nothing out of it every time, oh but it's sure to happen though

Well, if it's not going to happen then that's evolution telling you that you're not fit enough to pass on your genes. Same thing back in the days when someone was too weak to hunt something to eat or too stupid to not get eaten by a lion or something. They didn't complain how unfair nature was, did they?

Yeah they did you fucking idiot, that's why societies formed.

lmao

>16 hours ago

still no reply to this.

FourteenEgg is eternally BTFO

Yeah they probably did complain. And I'm going to continue to complain until people stop lying and trying to take away and berate me for the few things I actually can get pleasure from.

Who's lying and about what?

That our situation can be helped and that it's our fault we can't get laid or a relationship. That's not true for most of the ones here, and you even admitted it. It's just not possible for some people but alot of normans seem to think their redundant advice will fix it.

And if everyone acknowledges that, you'll be happy and stop complaining?

I won't be happy, but I'd probably stop complaining. At least as much.

Yes, as long as everyone stops shaming them for it as well.

Then we can finally start on reverting feminism, can't we? I mean that would basically be full blown acknowledgment of female privilege, that we all know exists.

Then we can finally start on reverting feminism, can't we?

You can certainly try to. Whatever "reverting feminism" means ...

Ideally reverting to a state before women were given the right to vote. Society was much, much fairer for men (and women) back then.

How was society fairer for women back then? And do you think you would have gotten laid back then?

Because we had true equality back then, not this female supremacist society we have today. And yes I would have. Women were dependant on men and their provider capabilities.

How is it equality when one half of people depend on the other half to provide for them? Also, my grand uncle was an incel his whole life, 1930s, 1940s, 1950s and so on. He couldn't get laid despite his provider qualities. What makes you think you'd be different?

How is it equality when one half of people depend on the other half to provide for them?

Women have sexual power, men have economic power. Seems fair to me. The current society where women have both is entirely unfair to men.

Also, my grand uncle was an incel his whole life, 1930s, 1940s, 1950s and so on. He couldn't get laid despite his provider qualities. What makes you think you'd be different?

Without knowing anything further about your uncle that's difficult to tell (if it is even true).

None (none!) of the older men in my family were incels. This incel trend just started recently. It must have something todo with feminism and ever increasing liberation of women.

If you want to trade your economic power for sex, why don't you just go to prostitutes?

I already do.

How does this give me a wife and children though?

So in exchange for your economic power, women do not only owe you sex, but also cooking for you and bearing your ugly children?

Why not? Sounds like a fair trade. Don't care about the cooking though, I can cook for myself. And I'd actively abort any male children, because fuck being born a man in 2018. Females are privileged as fuck, if you are not actively aborting all male babies you are a sadist.

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User is encouraging suicide.

"Abort yourself"

Not encouraging, just asking why he doesn't do to himself what he proposed to do to his own children.

Nah, that's what women would want. Working on changing society and black/red-pilling as many men as possible is preferable.

Working on changing society

And how's that going so far?

Overton window is shifting, will still take awhile though. Sadly.

I see. Well, good luck with that. You'll be knee deep in pussy once this all happens I'm sure :)

Thanks, fighting for equality is always a righteous goal.

It's so nice to know that people like you who have those shit beliefs will literally never see any of it fulfilled. I'm sure it drives you crazy.

We'll see about that. The white slavers also kept telling the black slaves that there was no point in fighting for their rights -- and look how much society has changed since then. It's not only incels that feel heavily oppressed by the current gynocentric society. Many, many other men feel the same as me.

You want to strip away the rights of other humans so you can make them more subservient to your needs and you think your the "slaves" in this scenario? C'mon.

I care about equality, yes. And women and men are not equal in our current female supremacist society.

I don't actually care how you make men equal. There just needs to be done something.

Right. Not having sex is the same thing as chattel slavery. I forgot the two were basically the same thing.

The basic needs of (almost) every human being, in order of priority.

1. Food/water/air (basic stuff you need to survive)
2. A roof over your head
3. Sex, affection and relationships

All women, at all times, always had all three basic needs fullfilled. Many men today don't have number three fullfilled. But fuck men, right? Who cares about them.

I mean, no, all women haven't had all three at all times. Homeless women have always existed, women have died in famine etc. Believing that all women everywhere have been taken care of by men is just historically innacurate. But lets forget the absurdity of those first two bullet points for a moment.

Even if you assume all women in history have taken a penis, being married off and taking a penis either by force or by some skewed sense of obligation isn't fulfilling anything except someone else's (ie a man's) need. Women were happy to be free of that nonsense because their needs weren't being met by whatever archaic model you're hoping to revert back to.

So yeah, fuck men like you that feel so entitled that youd want to subjugate half of the population to get someone to touch your peepee.

Women were happy to be free of that nonsense because their needs weren't being met by whatever archaic model you're hoping to revert back to.

And the needs of many men are not being met in the current model. Why, WHY, should they support it? There's nothing in it for me, why would I support it?

I mean, really, other than starfish duty sex from the neighbor's daughter what would you have gotten out of the old model? If you're actually ugly, women weren't going to be thrilled to have sex with you in 1850 either.

Better than to be genetically cleansed, something women can never understand because life is so fucking easy for them.

God I hate women.

Go fuck a prostitute if her actually wanting to be there makes no difference to you. Or pay a surrogate to carry on your genes.

I can afford to get a foreign wife, which I'm going to do in a couple of years, because I'm well off enough. Many men are not though. I'm not a sociopath like all women are, I care about what happens to men and society in general. That's why I'm not silent on this issue.

I mean, it's certainly not an "all men" problem. Just the ones that, again, no one would have wanted to fuck in the 17th century anyway.

Yeah, yeah. Keep on believing that. All my friends are incel, most men in my family are perma single or incel.

But who cares about men, right? They are so privileged anyway.

It's not a matter of belief. Most men manage to get relationships and sex. That your social circle and family are packed with ugly unfuckables doesn't mean it's a universal problem.

There was a post (not going to dig it up now) that 40% of men below 30 are incel.

Not universal, alright. Whatever, done talking to you.

A post? On reddit you mean?

Real reliable source ya got there.

Plus the underlying study. Sounded convincing enough to me.

Anyway, nazis (= women with their extreme eugenic and social darwinian sexual selection) deserve no quarter.

I'm sure it sounded convincing to you but I imagine youd believe most anything that confirmed your worldview.

I'm sorry women don't find you attractive. If calling them nazis makes you feel better, have at it.

Okay, then let us whine about it in peace, you're the one coming here.

The strong must make fun of the weak. Nature, bro.

That doesn't explain why you're here.

P e r s o n a l i t y

https://m.imgur.com/a/X75Jl

Have some self awareness.

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Who's lying and about what?

Freedom != "getting everything you want without doing anything for it".

Working on changing society

And how's that going so far?

No classes around here, no hobby groups, jobs are hard to find and I'm not in physical condition for one yet. Even if I did I wouldn't be able to befriend anyone naturally probably.

You're a volcel then, right?

that's also because, honestly, why should any woman want you as their BF in that state

Emotional support, affection, a car if they need to get somewhere, an above average size penis, a sense of protection, a possibly average face if I lost weight assume there is a bit of fat in my face and cuddles... really hardly nothing but I could be worse, going to be getting on some meds and going to physical therapy soon enough so I might be able to go to work soon. I'm not overwhelmingly obese I have a bad back and legs as well.

I mean sex with an escort seems like it would be devoid of any sexual intimacy as well. Seems like basically like an overpriced rented fleshlight. I have trouble trying to convince myself the only real life friend I have even cares about me, I doubt I'd be able to just forget for the moment that there is no actual intimacy and I'd be just as depressed as before...

I look like I know how to fix things and keep them running based on my car I guess so that's something. Women won't know right off the bat what I do or what I am(I don't even know what you mean by that, you mean like job title?). Other than that when I get a job I'll be able to offer all the luxury that minimum wage allows me to have which is also basically nothing

Still I feel like it would be depressing when it's over in that case.

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From an anxiety standpoint I understand that, it's difficult to even convince yourself to go outside , let alone interact with other people. Over time that probably leads to thinking people close to you are feeling judgemental or that you aren't living up to expectations

your point?

so? people liked attractive people since the stone ages. whats your point?