People have some gall to deny there's a rape culture when the author in question has earned upwards of 50 million dollars over conflating BDSM and abuse and calling it "romantic." Why would women support that shit, you ask? The most successful misogyny gets its victims to buy into their own abuse as desirable. Every feminist thinkpiece I've ever read on the novels has been aggressively critical of the way they normalize domestic abuse, but I don't expect many intellectuals here would be up for any nuanced take on the issue, as it's far easier to armchair theorize about what "all women want."
My favorite part of feminism is how feminists always insist that women are absolute slaves to culture and society around them and thus have no free agency.
Feminist basically say what we always say, but in different words -- women are slaves to emotion and are more animal than human, thus we have to treat society like a cage for women because they can't handle freedom.
My favorite part of feminism is when feminists argue that they themselves are unthinking beasts incapable of critical thought, and that all women are irrational and identical to each other. You certainly have a keen understanding of its central tenets.
Central tenets of feminism, so we're talking Dworkin and all heterosexual sex being rape?
Or are we talking about fake tenets based not off the actual figureheads of the movement, but based on what we, internet feminist trolls, insist it is because we can't face the truth?
The only different between a misogynist and a feminist is that a "misogynist" will insist failure is the woman's fault. A feminist agrees that women are failures, but insists it's society's fault. Both insist women are failures.
Feminism is whatever we want it to be, and nothing we don't. We're so simple and narcissist that we really don't see why this isn't correct.
Mmm, Dworkin is like super cutting edge; I'm so impressed. It's an easy mistake to make that she called all hetero intercourse rape. Instead, it's male domination through intercourse she was against. I wonder, since she's been dead since 2005, if she'd be proud her name has been co-opted as the feminist standard by the opposition despite her antagonistic relationship to so many feminists and the controversy surrounding most of her opinions.
Your argument is that the "tenets" of feminism were misunderstood.
You seem to be confused on what the word tenets means and its place in a discussion of a movement. Someone being dead doesn't invalidate their thoughts. Marx being dead didn't stop communism and MLK being dead didn't stop civil rights.
It really takes a special kind of brainlet to be a feminist.
Well, it takes a special salt-the-earth rhetorician to overlook Dworkin's extreme controversy within feminism to conflate her with the entire movement as well. It's just amusing to me that a radical feminist who hasn't written for over a decade is somehow representative of us all. It's not all that hard to find feminists who disagree with her about the coercive nature of all hetero sex, it's just that you would rather overlook it.
It's not all that hard to find feminists who disagree with her about the coercive nature of all hetero sex, it's just that you would rather overlook it.
What you feminists seem to forget is that no one cares what you say feminism is if that isn't what it represents and is manifest as in reality.
One day, hopefully, you'll understand the difference between theory and reality, the map and the territory, and you'll understand why so many great minds hate you ideology.
Given the context of this post, within an extreme faction of self -proclaimed misogyny, the argument that my ideology is defined by one person I don't fully agree with, and that "many great minds" hate it which should thus make it illegitimate, is almost charmingly unselfaware.
Well, you're wasting your life on an internet forum arguing with people who rightly hate you and your ideology.
You don't have to realize how mediocre your intellect is, it's not a requirement for living, but you'd be better off if you realized your limitations and when you're out of your depth.
As a very bad feminist, I quite like provocation, but this has been one of my less stimulating encounters with the other, I must admit - as soon as we're in the terrain of ad hominems the going gets rather tiresome. I wish you well in your intellectual pursuits.
Feminists insist they're for equality and then pull fire alarms or straight up riot when someone speaking about men's or conservative issues tries to speak. So it's equality, but "animal farm equality."
There is a problem with feminism in that it proclaims to advocate for all issues but ignores men’s issues. This is not ok.
Julie Bindel actually started off by improving the lives of abused women and children at grass roots level which is commendable. The quote you have mentioned above is abominable but I don’t know the context so can’t comment.
I would suggest that catcalling is a controversial thing and most women hate it. It isn’t affirming, it’s intimidating. Somebody (generally) bigger than them yelling what they want to do to them in the street isn’t a compliment. It’s humiliating.
Why would women support that shit, you ask? The most successful misogyny gets its victims to buy into their own abuse as desirable.
This is just a convenient way to avoid female accountability. "Women like rape and abuse because men make them like rape and abuse because muh misogyny". Women aren't children, last time I checked. If they like something, that's on them.
The truth is that this all boils down to biological tendencies. Women love aggressive and dominant men. These selective tendencies are independent of culture (and to some extent, even independent of species---female selection for dominant men is observed in other species as well).
Every feminist thinkpiece I've ever read on the novels has been aggressively critical of the way they normalize domestic abuse
A pity that feminist thinkpieces can't overwrite female biological tendencies.
People have some gall to deny there's a rape culture when the author in question has earned upwards of 50 million dollars over conflating BDSM and abuse and calling it "romantic."
Ugh, this is going too close to things like "internalized misogyny". Women have free will, for fuck's sake! Women are not all trapped in the Matrix, with feminists being the enlightened inhabitants of Zion.
Women don't have free will and aren't at the cognitive level as men.
THAT is what feminists are telling us.
You know how some people say feminists are the real misogynists because they insist women are children...? Maybe they are. Maybe we should listen to them.
I prefer listening to the many, many sane women who don't want to be coddled. I hope I'll get to lock one down before they're becoming unicorns, lol. Friend of mine recently did it, and I hope I'll be able to do it, too.
This is true in many areas of female relationships, they are the victims of false narratives that leave them vulnerable to their sexual attraction.
The modern female is castrated , her internal clitoris is cut off and she is hogtied by the disney-ification of her own sexual identity. She is unable to come to terms with her attraction to men, the sexual desire is subverted in to a socially acceptable concept of love.
When an attractive man propositions a women her castration prevents her from identifying her own sexual desire, it has been removed from her. The abusive attractive man has a hold over her because of her castration. Men are familiar with the way their sexuality can affect their judgement and their sexual attraction is in itself a thing that moderate, they observe, and they subvert when preying on women. A castrated woman cannot intellectualize her attraction and it is reified as a "mysterious force", with no identification she is hostage to it. "He has this power over me" is the cry of the woman who has accepted a mysterious power over her, domination has become a part of her metaphysical reality and accepted as reality; but it is not, all power can be identified and the castrated woman must again accept her sexuality and the real source of that power as the sexual power of men over her, as a sexual creature.
The abusive attractive male uses this vulnerability by doubling down on the othered force at play, he amplifies his abusive manipulation on the females castrated identity. The woman has been casted by society and set to self-castrate in aid of her abusive attractive partner who controls her by denying her the realization of her own sexual nature.
Restore woman her internal clitoris and she can once again have sanity around attractive men, she is no longer victim to their manipulation and psychological control othered from their attractiveness' impact on her.
( Clitoris is just a metaphor. Transwomen also experience this !!)
I'm so absurdly delighted right now. If you are a troll, you can troll me forever. If you are serious, I disagree with the central phallocentric metaphor that conflates a penis with intellect and self-awareness, and sexual agency as exclusively male unless the woman seizes her own internal penile powers, but damn if this wasn't an entertaining read. This is the power of a narrative - you can disagree with it and still, for some reason, read on: c.f. 50 Shades.
What are you're thoughts on Kimi No Na Wa? An anime film about romance that happens to be in the top 5 higest grossing animated films of all time? No offense bit I'd rather enjoy A movie or story such as that as opposed to a film about romanticized domestic abuse, pulled straight out of Twilights asshole.
Well your jump to assume I'm not a very bright person simply based on the fact that I gave my opinion on a open forum speaks volumes of how you perceive your wealth of intelligence. Regardless my apparent lack of most of my functioning brain cells has nothing to do with what I simply stated. If you looked at gross sales of the Fifty Shades of Grey movie it grossed almost $200 million less than Deadpool which opened in the same month in 2015. Comparing it to other "romance" genre movies, if Fifty shades of Grey can even be called that, Titanic made over that by billions. I was simply stating that it's inaccurate and naive to think that even half the population of women in the world would enjoy a movie such as this or even content of this caliber. However if you're just going to blindly assume that, "most women" as you say, like this kind of content then it's no wonder you're insulting someone else's intelligence (whom you've never met mind you) on r/braincels.
Do you disagree that Fifty shades of Grey is a shittily written story? I'm certain that the author would appreciate it provided that she should be jettisoned into space for even conceiving it.
In 2014, there were ~125 million adult women in the United States.
In that same year, there was ~45 million copies sold in the United States. In other words, enough for 1 in 3 women. That's so many copies that literally any woman you know could just ask to borrow the book from someone they know. They only need to know like 5 people to be guaranteed to know somoene who has the book.
Fifty Shades of Grey is a 2011 erotic romance novel by British author E. L. James, originally a Twilight fan fiction with Christian Grey as a non-vampire Edward Cullen and Anastasia Steele as a pale, gamine Bella Swan. It is the first instalment in the Fifty Shades trilogy that traces the deepening relationship between a college graduate, Anastasia Steele, and a young business magnate, Christian Grey. It is notable for its explicitly erotic scenes featuring elements of sexual practices involving bondage/discipline, dominance/submission, and sadism/masochism (BDSM). Originally self-published as an ebook and a print-on-demand, publishing rights were acquired by Vintage Books in March 2012.
A female friend of mine said she doesn't get it. She is kind of a bro but she doesn't understand why someone would read that book instead of just watch porn
Fifty Shades of Grey is a 2011 erotic romance novel by British author E. L. James, originally a Twilight fan fiction with Christian Grey as a non-vampire Edward Cullen and Anastasia Steele as a pale, gamine Bella Swan. It is the first instalment in the Fifty Shades trilogy that traces the deepening relationship between a college graduate, Anastasia Steele, and a young business magnate, Christian Grey. It is notable for its explicitly erotic scenes featuring elements of sexual practices involving bondage/discipline, dominance/submission, and sadism/masochism (BDSM). Originally self-published as an ebook and a print-on-demand, publishing rights were acquired by Vintage Books in March 2012.
Well your jump to assume I'm not a very bright person simply based on the fact that I gave my opinion on a open forum speaks volumes of how you perceive your wealth of intelligence. Regardless my apparent lack of most of my functioning brain cells has nothing to do with what I simply stated. If you looked at gross sales of the Fifty Shades of Grey movie it grossed almost $200 million less than Deadpool which opened in the same month in 2015. Comparing it to other "romance" genre movies, if Fifty shades of Grey can even be called that, Titanic made over that by billions. I was simply stating that it's inaccurate and naive to think that even half the population of women in the world would enjoy a movie such as this or even content of this caliber. However if you're just going to blindly assume that, "most women" as you say, like this kind of content then it's no wonder you're insulting someone else's intelligence (whom you've never met mind you) on r/braincels.
The difference is real life vs a terribly written Twilight fanfic (if you didn't already know) made by a thirsty woman who for some baffling reason decided her work was good enough to be published and for an even more baffling reason someone agreed.
It comes down to fantasy vs reality, fantasy is entirely subjective and some people fantasize about things that would get them sideways looks in public but otherwise wouldn't act on because someone stalking you is pretty much always going to be creepy and/or terrifying
made by a thirsty woman who for some baffling reason decided her work was good enough to be published and for an even more baffling reason someone agreed.
And then millions of women went and bought the book and it was a bestseller and a movie was made after it.
I hate when femoids try to dismiss 50 shades as a good indicator of their preferences cause it's obvious crap. IT doesn't matter if the book is crap or not, it's not a cheap shot when it was women alone who allowed the crap to become huge and make tons of money. We're not pulling some random unpopular book some chick once wrote to make an argument, this book was a bestseller and got tons of attention.
And fantasy is not detached from you, it represents your desires even if in real life some factors will. hold you back.
With the absolute crap people tend to read and make bestsellers, I wouldn't really take its numbers are an indicator for much beyond some lonely women wanted an erotic novel and that's unfortunately the first thing that was found.
And while I will agree that fantasies are a representation of some desires, certainly not all, they don't accurately describe your preferences or sexual preferences as a whole. By that logic one could say that the people who watch hentai and favor ones with girls of legal age but petite bodies (I'm talking the borderline childish figures mind you) have a sexual preference for children. This is certainly an extreme example but you see the point I'm trying to make.
(sorry if I respond late but I'm off to work atm. Have a pleasant day)
With the absolute crap people tend to read and make bestsellers, I wouldn't really take its numbers are an indicator for much beyond some lonely women wanted an erotic novel and that's unfortunately the first thing that was found
Lol no, this isn't just a random novel, it was a huge hit, women of all kinds of backgrounds, nationalities and age groups obsessed about it, not just some poor lonely girls who "stumbled across it" by accident. Women made it clear they are into this shit and this is why we all know about this book in the first place.
By that logic one could say that the people who watch hentai and favor ones with girls of legal age but petite bodies (I'm talking the borderline childish figures mind you) have a sexual preference for children.
So? Depending on the example that might be exactly what it means.
I think if it has to he protected under some artistic law there's definitely something shady about it, but the two don't inherently have snything wrong with them other than maybe the subtext.
With 50 shades I doubt women are looking at it purely for the implicit creep factor under all the admittedly failed eroticism. Which , if you remove it, the series sort of turns into an episode of criminal minds
Plenty of women I know who actually read the book said they loved the imagery it created. There are testimonials all around of women saying Christian Grey is the perfect man. Not to mention if you spend any time on tumblr you'll see more BDSM kink shit all over. I don't have a problem for how people get off, and yeah I'm into it too, but the incels have a point. If it isn't what a good number women wanted, it wouldn't be as popular as it is. Maybe you don't like it, and you thought it failed, but there are loads of women who did like it.
I'm actually into bdsm myself, so it's not so much the kinks I have a problem with so much as the fact Christian is stalking the main character (don't even remember her name) in all but name.
Mind you I also think the book was written horribly, I read the Sleeping Beauty series by Anne Rice and it was way better , though a touch more screwed up because they were actually sold into slavery. If I'm being perfectly honest however I do appreciate that the book opened a lot of people up to their kinks, that's definitely a good thing and I can see why it spawned such an explosion of bondage related stuff on tumblr. After twilight became big there was a brief explosion of "paranormal romance" novels that were all pretty much equally as bad
Fifty Shades of Grey is a 2011 erotic romance novel by British author E. L. James, originally a Twilight fan fiction with Christian Grey as a non-vampire Edward Cullen and Anastasia Steele as a pale, gamine Bella Swan. It is the first instalment in the Fifty Shades trilogy that traces the deepening relationship between a college graduate, Anastasia Steele, and a young business magnate, Christian Grey. It is notable for its explicitly erotic scenes featuring elements of sexual practices involving bondage/discipline, dominance/submission, and sadism/masochism (BDSM). Originally self-published as an ebook and a print-on-demand, publishing rights were acquired by Vintage Books in March 2012.
There's a big difference between fantasy and reality.
There are men who fantasize about having their balls stomped by women in high heels. Until they tell a woman to put the heels on and please stomp their nuts, she doesn't get to do it.
She'd be ridiculous to whine about him not letting her stomp his nuts, wouldn't she?
Fifty Shades of Grey is a 2011 erotic romance novel by British author E. L. James, originally a Twilight fan fiction with Christian Grey as a non-vampire Edward Cullen and Anastasia Steele as a pale, gamine Bella Swan. It is the first instalment in the Fifty Shades trilogy that traces the deepening relationship between a college graduate, Anastasia Steele, and a young business magnate, Christian Grey. It is notable for its explicitly erotic scenes featuring elements of sexual practices involving bondage/discipline, dominance/submission, and sadism/masochism (BDSM). Originally self-published as an ebook and a print-on-demand, publishing rights were acquired by Vintage Books in March 2012.
You know what is not a sexy fantasy that gets turned into movies? Prison rape. A much more likely scenario than your bullshit excuse of a sexual fantasy.
I'm so damn tired of this "fantasies are just fantasies" bullshit.
If you walked into my room and you saw me jerking off to rape porn or child pictures, would you say "it's just a fantasy"? Or would you freak the fuck out and get out of there?
Fucked up fetishes are fucked up. Stop looking for ways to rationalize perversion.
There’s a big difference between imagining yourself getting abused, and jerking off to pictures illegally taken of someone else in an abusive and harmful situation.
They literally can't acknowledge reality when it's in front of their face because their entire postmodern feminist religion requires not acknowledging what's in plain sight.
I said touching yourself to 50shade-ish material is disturbing. And many people try to rationalize this fucked up fantasy. They should just admit they're screwed up in the head instead of trying to normalize their fetishes.
The criticisms of 50 Shades are criticisms of women's tendency to consider abusive behavior acceptable and even attractive when it's perpetrated by a sufficiently attractive man. Your comment does not address that in any way.
Well, you're wasting your life on an internet forum arguing with people who rightly hate you and your ideology.
You don't have to realize how mediocre your intellect is, it's not a requirement for living, but you'd be better off if you realized your limitations and when you're out of your depth.
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1 IlliterateAndProud 2018-03-16
lol
1 dead_eyed_mofo 2018-03-16
This is what women want. Feminism is just a society-wide shit test.
1 naughtygoy1 2018-03-16
women have the gall to say their is rape culture when they are all wetting their pants over a book like this. We live in a hall of mirrors reality.
1 eros_bittersweet 2018-03-16
People have some gall to deny there's a rape culture when the author in question has earned upwards of 50 million dollars over conflating BDSM and abuse and calling it "romantic." Why would women support that shit, you ask? The most successful misogyny gets its victims to buy into their own abuse as desirable. Every feminist thinkpiece I've ever read on the novels has been aggressively critical of the way they normalize domestic abuse, but I don't expect many intellectuals here would be up for any nuanced take on the issue, as it's far easier to armchair theorize about what "all women want."
1 sdfaasfasdfasdf 2018-03-16
My favorite part of feminism is how feminists always insist that women are absolute slaves to culture and society around them and thus have no free agency.
Feminist basically say what we always say, but in different words -- women are slaves to emotion and are more animal than human, thus we have to treat society like a cage for women because they can't handle freedom.
1 eros_bittersweet 2018-03-16
My favorite part of feminism is when feminists argue that they themselves are unthinking beasts incapable of critical thought, and that all women are irrational and identical to each other. You certainly have a keen understanding of its central tenets.
1 sdfaasfasdfasdf 2018-03-16
Central tenets of feminism, so we're talking Dworkin and all heterosexual sex being rape?
Or are we talking about fake tenets based not off the actual figureheads of the movement, but based on what we, internet feminist trolls, insist it is because we can't face the truth?
The only different between a misogynist and a feminist is that a "misogynist" will insist failure is the woman's fault. A feminist agrees that women are failures, but insists it's society's fault. Both insist women are failures.
Feminism is whatever we want it to be, and nothing we don't. We're so simple and narcissist that we really don't see why this isn't correct.
1 eros_bittersweet 2018-03-16
Mmm, Dworkin is like super cutting edge; I'm so impressed. It's an easy mistake to make that she called all hetero intercourse rape. Instead, it's male domination through intercourse she was against. I wonder, since she's been dead since 2005, if she'd be proud her name has been co-opted as the feminist standard by the opposition despite her antagonistic relationship to so many feminists and the controversy surrounding most of her opinions.
1 sdfaasfasdfasdf 2018-03-16
Your argument is that the "tenets" of feminism were misunderstood.
You seem to be confused on what the word tenets means and its place in a discussion of a movement. Someone being dead doesn't invalidate their thoughts. Marx being dead didn't stop communism and MLK being dead didn't stop civil rights.
It really takes a special kind of brainlet to be a feminist.
1 eros_bittersweet 2018-03-16
Well, it takes a special salt-the-earth rhetorician to overlook Dworkin's extreme controversy within feminism to conflate her with the entire movement as well. It's just amusing to me that a radical feminist who hasn't written for over a decade is somehow representative of us all. It's not all that hard to find feminists who disagree with her about the coercive nature of all hetero sex, it's just that you would rather overlook it.
1 sdfaasfasdfasdf 2018-03-16
What you feminists seem to forget is that no one cares what you say feminism is if that isn't what it represents and is manifest as in reality.
One day, hopefully, you'll understand the difference between theory and reality, the map and the territory, and you'll understand why so many great minds hate you ideology.
1 eros_bittersweet 2018-03-16
Given the context of this post, within an extreme faction of self -proclaimed misogyny, the argument that my ideology is defined by one person I don't fully agree with, and that "many great minds" hate it which should thus make it illegitimate, is almost charmingly unselfaware.
1 sdfaasfasdfasdf 2018-03-16
Well, you're wasting your life on an internet forum arguing with people who rightly hate you and your ideology.
You don't have to realize how mediocre your intellect is, it's not a requirement for living, but you'd be better off if you realized your limitations and when you're out of your depth.
1 eros_bittersweet 2018-03-16
As a very bad feminist, I quite like provocation, but this has been one of my less stimulating encounters with the other, I must admit - as soon as we're in the terrain of ad hominems the going gets rather tiresome. I wish you well in your intellectual pursuits.
1 ErrejotaRJ 2018-03-16
Do they say that? I’m not sure most feminists would agree.
Haha we’re all just brilliant apes. Everyone’s more homo than sapiens.
1 sdfaasfasdfasdf 2018-03-16
You're right.
Feminists insist they're for equality and then pull fire alarms or straight up riot when someone speaking about men's or conservative issues tries to speak. So it's equality, but "animal farm equality."
1 ErrejotaRJ 2018-03-16
There is a problem with feminism in that it proclaims to advocate for all issues but ignores men’s issues. This is not ok.
Julie Bindel actually started off by improving the lives of abused women and children at grass roots level which is commendable. The quote you have mentioned above is abominable but I don’t know the context so can’t comment.
I would suggest that catcalling is a controversial thing and most women hate it. It isn’t affirming, it’s intimidating. Somebody (generally) bigger than them yelling what they want to do to them in the street isn’t a compliment. It’s humiliating.
1 naughtygoy1 2018-03-16
some hairy legged academic has no importance in our culture and does not matter in this debate
1 IncelSlayerZero 2018-03-16
What a load of rubbish. Wymyn love to be dominated. This is a common foid fetish.
1 TheVertex_ 2018-03-16
This is just a convenient way to avoid female accountability. "Women like rape and abuse because men make them like rape and abuse because muh misogyny". Women aren't children, last time I checked. If they like something, that's on them.
The truth is that this all boils down to biological tendencies. Women love aggressive and dominant men. These selective tendencies are independent of culture (and to some extent, even independent of species---female selection for dominant men is observed in other species as well).
A pity that feminist thinkpieces can't overwrite female biological tendencies.
1 sc2isadeadgame 2018-03-16
when chad rapes a woman he's just being romantic
1 EntroPete 2018-03-16
Ugh, this is going too close to things like "internalized misogyny". Women have free will, for fuck's sake! Women are not all trapped in the Matrix, with feminists being the enlightened inhabitants of Zion.
1 sdfaasfasdfasdf 2018-03-16
No, don't you understand.
Women don't have free will and aren't at the cognitive level as men.
THAT is what feminists are telling us.
You know how some people say feminists are the real misogynists because they insist women are children...? Maybe they are. Maybe we should listen to them.
1 EntroPete 2018-03-16
I prefer listening to the many, many sane women who don't want to be coddled. I hope I'll get to lock one down before they're becoming unicorns, lol. Friend of mine recently did it, and I hope I'll be able to do it, too.
1 sdfaasfasdfasdf 2018-03-16
Well, remember, it takes time for some behaviors to show, and actions speak louder than words.
Honestly, the women who admit to being a bit crazy tend to be more self aware than the ones who insist they're unicorns.
1 Maleficent_Dig 2018-03-16
This is true in many areas of female relationships, they are the victims of false narratives that leave them vulnerable to their sexual attraction.
The modern female is castrated , her internal clitoris is cut off and she is hogtied by the disney-ification of her own sexual identity. She is unable to come to terms with her attraction to men, the sexual desire is subverted in to a socially acceptable concept of love.
When an attractive man propositions a women her castration prevents her from identifying her own sexual desire, it has been removed from her. The abusive attractive man has a hold over her because of her castration. Men are familiar with the way their sexuality can affect their judgement and their sexual attraction is in itself a thing that moderate, they observe, and they subvert when preying on women. A castrated woman cannot intellectualize her attraction and it is reified as a "mysterious force", with no identification she is hostage to it. "He has this power over me" is the cry of the woman who has accepted a mysterious power over her, domination has become a part of her metaphysical reality and accepted as reality; but it is not, all power can be identified and the castrated woman must again accept her sexuality and the real source of that power as the sexual power of men over her, as a sexual creature.
The abusive attractive male uses this vulnerability by doubling down on the othered force at play, he amplifies his abusive manipulation on the females castrated identity. The woman has been casted by society and set to self-castrate in aid of her abusive attractive partner who controls her by denying her the realization of her own sexual nature.
Restore woman her internal clitoris and she can once again have sanity around attractive men, she is no longer victim to their manipulation and psychological control othered from their attractiveness' impact on her.
( Clitoris is just a metaphor. Transwomen also experience this !!)
1 sdfaasfasdfasdf 2018-03-16
10/10
The best satire of feminism on this website*
1 eros_bittersweet 2018-03-16
Kumbaya, motherfucker.
1 eros_bittersweet 2018-03-16
I'm so absurdly delighted right now. If you are a troll, you can troll me forever. If you are serious, I disagree with the central phallocentric metaphor that conflates a penis with intellect and self-awareness, and sexual agency as exclusively male unless the woman seizes her own internal penile powers, but damn if this wasn't an entertaining read. This is the power of a narrative - you can disagree with it and still, for some reason, read on: c.f. 50 Shades.
1 lifecel_ 2018-03-16
r/rapekink
1 TsarHarkinian 2018-03-16
wow i read one post and already feel like shit, nice!
1 InevitableScarcity 2018-03-16
Nice one!
1 just_for_the_record 2018-03-16
Brutal
1 Jhosiah 2018-03-16
50 Shades of Grey is a trash book with laughably shitty writing however I doubt that every women likes this book. It's absolutely naive to think that.
1 IlliterateAndProud 2018-03-16
Yeah, the media hype made it popular. Women "like" what's popular.
1 Fudde 2018-03-16
MOst women do, that's why it's popular. Not too sharp are ya.
1 r4risbullshit 2018-03-16
It's like they just ignore the stats.
1 Jhosiah 2018-03-16
What are you're thoughts on Kimi No Na Wa? An anime film about romance that happens to be in the top 5 higest grossing animated films of all time? No offense bit I'd rather enjoy A movie or story such as that as opposed to a film about romanticized domestic abuse, pulled straight out of Twilights asshole.
1 r4risbullshit 2018-03-16
I've seen it. Very good film, the ending almost made me throw my chair, considering the other previous movies the director has done.
1 Jhosiah 2018-03-16
He likes to write very unambiguous and open ended stories I'll give you that. I have to agree with your take on the ending. Thanks for the chat.
1 Jhosiah 2018-03-16
Well your jump to assume I'm not a very bright person simply based on the fact that I gave my opinion on a open forum speaks volumes of how you perceive your wealth of intelligence. Regardless my apparent lack of most of my functioning brain cells has nothing to do with what I simply stated. If you looked at gross sales of the Fifty Shades of Grey movie it grossed almost $200 million less than Deadpool which opened in the same month in 2015. Comparing it to other "romance" genre movies, if Fifty shades of Grey can even be called that, Titanic made over that by billions. I was simply stating that it's inaccurate and naive to think that even half the population of women in the world would enjoy a movie such as this or even content of this caliber. However if you're just going to blindly assume that, "most women" as you say, like this kind of content then it's no wonder you're insulting someone else's intelligence (whom you've never met mind you) on r/braincels.
1 Fudde 2018-03-16
I didn't "assume" anything. You said something stupid so I called you as such.
1 Jhosiah 2018-03-16
Do you disagree that Fifty shades of Grey is a shittily written story? I'm certain that the author would appreciate it provided that she should be jettisoned into space for even conceiving it.
1 Fudde 2018-03-16
It doesn't matter if I think it's a shitty written story, I'm not the target audience. Not too bright are ya
The fact is this book did very well with women of all ages, because it tapped into their base desires.
1 dylang92 2018-03-16
Dude 50 shades sold $125 million copies.
1 vvvvvvvvvvv11 2018-03-16
Those theaters probably reeked of roast beef and fish.
1 Mr-5-5 2018-03-16
The theater seats were all soaked in tuna juice.
We had to hire a crew to steam vacuum all those seats.
We lost a lot of money with that film.
Never show domination porn to femoids, they make a mess.
1 just_for_the_record 2018-03-16
In 2014, there were ~125 million adult women in the United States.
In that same year, there was ~45 million copies sold in the United States. In other words, enough for 1 in 3 women. That's so many copies that literally any woman you know could just ask to borrow the book from someone they know. They only need to know like 5 people to be guaranteed to know somoene who has the book.
JFL @ you thinking this was a fraction of people
1 Mr-5-5 2018-03-16
I read with the other sequels combined that number went up to 80 million.
And women like to go to book clubs and share books so we can double that number.
1 Mr-5-5 2018-03-16
Fifty Shades of Grey has topped best-seller lists around the world, selling over 125 million copies worldwide by June 2015.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty_Shades_of_Grey
1 WikiTextBot 2018-03-16
Fifty Shades of Grey
Fifty Shades of Grey is a 2011 erotic romance novel by British author E. L. James, originally a Twilight fan fiction with Christian Grey as a non-vampire Edward Cullen and Anastasia Steele as a pale, gamine Bella Swan. It is the first instalment in the Fifty Shades trilogy that traces the deepening relationship between a college graduate, Anastasia Steele, and a young business magnate, Christian Grey. It is notable for its explicitly erotic scenes featuring elements of sexual practices involving bondage/discipline, dominance/submission, and sadism/masochism (BDSM). Originally self-published as an ebook and a print-on-demand, publishing rights were acquired by Vintage Books in March 2012.
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1 DabberCoin 2018-03-16
A female friend of mine said she doesn't get it. She is kind of a bro but she doesn't understand why someone would read that book instead of just watch porn
1 currynator3000 2018-03-16
Cope
2 Jhosiah 2018-03-16
Literally unable to be a cope bro.
1 anonymousvirgin88 2018-03-16
Is that an actual quote? Who writes a book with this kind of phrasing? Females fucking bought this shit is record numbers.
1 e_z_p_z_ 2018-03-16
1 Mr-5-5 2018-03-16
Fifty Shades of Grey has topped best-seller lists around the world,
selling over 125 million copies worldwide by June 2015.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty_Shades_of_Grey
1 WikiTextBot 2018-03-16
Fifty Shades of Grey
Fifty Shades of Grey is a 2011 erotic romance novel by British author E. L. James, originally a Twilight fan fiction with Christian Grey as a non-vampire Edward Cullen and Anastasia Steele as a pale, gamine Bella Swan. It is the first instalment in the Fifty Shades trilogy that traces the deepening relationship between a college graduate, Anastasia Steele, and a young business magnate, Christian Grey. It is notable for its explicitly erotic scenes featuring elements of sexual practices involving bondage/discipline, dominance/submission, and sadism/masochism (BDSM). Originally self-published as an ebook and a print-on-demand, publishing rights were acquired by Vintage Books in March 2012.
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1 anonymousvirgin88 2018-03-16
Absolutely degenerate.
1 advancedatheist 2018-03-16
I like the double entendre of "Pound me too."
1 Jhosiah 2018-03-16
Well your jump to assume I'm not a very bright person simply based on the fact that I gave my opinion on a open forum speaks volumes of how you perceive your wealth of intelligence. Regardless my apparent lack of most of my functioning brain cells has nothing to do with what I simply stated. If you looked at gross sales of the Fifty Shades of Grey movie it grossed almost $200 million less than Deadpool which opened in the same month in 2015. Comparing it to other "romance" genre movies, if Fifty shades of Grey can even be called that, Titanic made over that by billions. I was simply stating that it's inaccurate and naive to think that even half the population of women in the world would enjoy a movie such as this or even content of this caliber. However if you're just going to blindly assume that, "most women" as you say, like this kind of content then it's no wonder you're insulting someone else's intelligence (whom you've never met mind you) on r/braincels.
1 vvvvvvvvvvv11 2018-03-16
Damn, worse than I thought. Literally the only difference between these is one is chad and one is average.
1 GrinchBear 2018-03-16
The difference is real life vs a terribly written Twilight fanfic (if you didn't already know) made by a thirsty woman who for some baffling reason decided her work was good enough to be published and for an even more baffling reason someone agreed. It comes down to fantasy vs reality, fantasy is entirely subjective and some people fantasize about things that would get them sideways looks in public but otherwise wouldn't act on because someone stalking you is pretty much always going to be creepy and/or terrifying
1 just_for_the_record 2018-03-16
Unless it's Chad.
1 Alia_Harkonnen 2018-03-16
And then millions of women went and bought the book and it was a bestseller and a movie was made after it.
I hate when femoids try to dismiss 50 shades as a good indicator of their preferences cause it's obvious crap. IT doesn't matter if the book is crap or not, it's not a cheap shot when it was women alone who allowed the crap to become huge and make tons of money. We're not pulling some random unpopular book some chick once wrote to make an argument, this book was a bestseller and got tons of attention.
And fantasy is not detached from you, it represents your desires even if in real life some factors will. hold you back.
1 GrinchBear 2018-03-16
With the absolute crap people tend to read and make bestsellers, I wouldn't really take its numbers are an indicator for much beyond some lonely women wanted an erotic novel and that's unfortunately the first thing that was found. And while I will agree that fantasies are a representation of some desires, certainly not all, they don't accurately describe your preferences or sexual preferences as a whole. By that logic one could say that the people who watch hentai and favor ones with girls of legal age but petite bodies (I'm talking the borderline childish figures mind you) have a sexual preference for children. This is certainly an extreme example but you see the point I'm trying to make. (sorry if I respond late but I'm off to work atm. Have a pleasant day)
1 Alia_Harkonnen 2018-03-16
Lol no, this isn't just a random novel, it was a huge hit, women of all kinds of backgrounds, nationalities and age groups obsessed about it, not just some poor lonely girls who "stumbled across it" by accident. Women made it clear they are into this shit and this is why we all know about this book in the first place.
So? Depending on the example that might be exactly what it means.
Go fuck yourself
1 Involuntarily 2018-03-16
This kind of fiction is always being purchased by women.
1 dylang92 2018-03-16
That kind of porn is just as bad as 50 shades.
1 GrinchBear 2018-03-16
I think if it has to he protected under some artistic law there's definitely something shady about it, but the two don't inherently have snything wrong with them other than maybe the subtext. With 50 shades I doubt women are looking at it purely for the implicit creep factor under all the admittedly failed eroticism. Which , if you remove it, the series sort of turns into an episode of criminal minds
1 dylang92 2018-03-16
Plenty of women I know who actually read the book said they loved the imagery it created. There are testimonials all around of women saying Christian Grey is the perfect man. Not to mention if you spend any time on tumblr you'll see more BDSM kink shit all over. I don't have a problem for how people get off, and yeah I'm into it too, but the incels have a point. If it isn't what a good number women wanted, it wouldn't be as popular as it is. Maybe you don't like it, and you thought it failed, but there are loads of women who did like it.
1 GrinchBear 2018-03-16
I'm actually into bdsm myself, so it's not so much the kinks I have a problem with so much as the fact Christian is stalking the main character (don't even remember her name) in all but name. Mind you I also think the book was written horribly, I read the Sleeping Beauty series by Anne Rice and it was way better , though a touch more screwed up because they were actually sold into slavery. If I'm being perfectly honest however I do appreciate that the book opened a lot of people up to their kinks, that's definitely a good thing and I can see why it spawned such an explosion of bondage related stuff on tumblr. After twilight became big there was a brief explosion of "paranormal romance" novels that were all pretty much equally as bad
1 Mr-5-5 2018-03-16
I just checked;
Fifty Shades of Grey has topped best-seller lists around the world,
selling over 125 million copies worldwide by June 2015.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty_Shades_of_Grey
1 WikiTextBot 2018-03-16
Fifty Shades of Grey
Fifty Shades of Grey is a 2011 erotic romance novel by British author E. L. James, originally a Twilight fan fiction with Christian Grey as a non-vampire Edward Cullen and Anastasia Steele as a pale, gamine Bella Swan. It is the first instalment in the Fifty Shades trilogy that traces the deepening relationship between a college graduate, Anastasia Steele, and a young business magnate, Christian Grey. It is notable for its explicitly erotic scenes featuring elements of sexual practices involving bondage/discipline, dominance/submission, and sadism/masochism (BDSM). Originally self-published as an ebook and a print-on-demand, publishing rights were acquired by Vintage Books in March 2012.
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1 Involuntarily 2018-03-16
It was good enough. It sold well and got turned into a movie.
1 SnowMan878 2018-03-16
$$$$$
1 ummyourdaddy 2018-03-16
Chad gets to pound
normies get the metoo
incels get the rope.
That's the way of the world.
1 Megerber 2018-03-16
There's a big difference between fantasy and reality. There are men who fantasize about having their balls stomped by women in high heels. Until they tell a woman to put the heels on and please stomp their nuts, she doesn't get to do it. She'd be ridiculous to whine about him not letting her stomp his nuts, wouldn't she?
1 just_for_the_record 2018-03-16
When a book about stomping dudes' nuts is in the hands of 1 in 3 men, you can make that comment.
1 Megerber 2018-03-16
No. The analogy still works.
1 just_for_the_record 2018-03-16
Guys aren't into getting women to put heels on and stomp on their nuts. This is a fetish of a select few. You have no evidence to the contrary.
You are responding to evidence that women in general are into X. Not a select few. You're only cementing your idiocy by denying your fallacy.
1 mangio-figa 2018-03-16
There are dozens of us... DOZENSSSSSSSSSSSSS
1 Involuntarily 2018-03-16
Yeah if you're retarded. Which you are.
1 Mr-5-5 2018-03-16
Fifty Shades of Grey has topped best-seller lists around the world,
selling over 125 million copies worldwide by June 2015.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty_Shades_of_Grey
1 WikiTextBot 2018-03-16
Fifty Shades of Grey
Fifty Shades of Grey is a 2011 erotic romance novel by British author E. L. James, originally a Twilight fan fiction with Christian Grey as a non-vampire Edward Cullen and Anastasia Steele as a pale, gamine Bella Swan. It is the first instalment in the Fifty Shades trilogy that traces the deepening relationship between a college graduate, Anastasia Steele, and a young business magnate, Christian Grey. It is notable for its explicitly erotic scenes featuring elements of sexual practices involving bondage/discipline, dominance/submission, and sadism/masochism (BDSM). Originally self-published as an ebook and a print-on-demand, publishing rights were acquired by Vintage Books in March 2012.
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1 Fudde 2018-03-16
...but don't you dare have women wear akimpy armor in video games or else it's sexist!
1 PeppyHydra 2018-03-16
Yeah exactly. Then we say "women have a rape fantasy" and cucktears loses its shit.
Make up your mind.
1 Involuntarily 2018-03-16
You know what is not a sexy fantasy that gets turned into movies? Prison rape. A much more likely scenario than your bullshit excuse of a sexual fantasy.
1 EvilBananaManRD 2018-03-16
I'm so damn tired of this "fantasies are just fantasies" bullshit.
If you walked into my room and you saw me jerking off to rape porn or child pictures, would you say "it's just a fantasy"? Or would you freak the fuck out and get out of there?
Fucked up fetishes are fucked up. Stop looking for ways to rationalize perversion.
1 B45T4RD 2018-03-16
There’s a big difference between imagining yourself getting abused, and jerking off to pictures illegally taken of someone else in an abusive and harmful situation.
1 fasdddsafdfsasfd 2018-03-16
They literally can't acknowledge reality when it's in front of their face because their entire postmodern feminist religion requires not acknowledging what's in plain sight.
1 Megerber 2018-03-16
There's a difference between watching rape porn and raping someone. The fact that you can't see the difference is a problem
1 EvilBananaManRD 2018-03-16
At what point did I say there was no difference?
I said touching yourself to 50shade-ish material is disturbing. And many people try to rationalize this fucked up fantasy. They should just admit they're screwed up in the head instead of trying to normalize their fetishes.
1 Carkudo 2018-03-16
The criticisms of 50 Shades are criticisms of women's tendency to consider abusive behavior acceptable and even attractive when it's perpetrated by a sufficiently attractive man. Your comment does not address that in any way.
1 ivana_g 2018-03-16
“Pound me too” lol
1 sdfaasfasdfasdf 2018-03-16
Well, you're wasting your life on an internet forum arguing with people who rightly hate you and your ideology.
You don't have to realize how mediocre your intellect is, it's not a requirement for living, but you'd be better off if you realized your limitations and when you're out of your depth.
1 eros_bittersweet 2018-03-16
Kumbaya, motherfucker.