BDSM and objectifying women are very different things. And something being “a big hit” doesn’t mean every single woman is into it. Women are people not objects.
teeeheeeheee I only love being an object for Chad BUT ONLY WITH CONSENT BECAUSE I'M A POWAFUL WIMMENNZ. They love being sex objects for Chad and I am not going to treat them as non-objects if they love being fuckholes for Chad. I don't owe them anything either, cause no one is entitled to anything teehee
How you treat your partner during sex and how you treat the opposite sex in general in your everyday life are different. What is being a “fuckhole” for Chad even suggest? Having sex with an attractive man? What a wild thing to do!!! Says the guy who would probably fuck anything with a vagina.
oh yes because wanting to be treated as a ragged object is totally divorced from everyday life cause the femoid says so. So femoids are not object when he is Chad's conquest number 34645635 and then Chad forgets them and the femoid totally never complains about being objectified after that teehee cause she is a strong wimmenz!!!!
Oh wow I would fuck anything with a vagina, that is quite an insult coming here. Do you feel speshul that you have sex cause you are a female (I am guessing)?
If you think kinky sex are the same as everyday life you are a fucking idiot. I don’t have sex, I just think that it’s pathetic that you people have no standards.
If you think sex is absolutely divorced from reality you are an idiot. Females love being objects and they do not deserve respect or treated as a non-object for that.
Yeah dude we have no standards and then you will probably say somewhere else we only go for 10/10s. As ugly males we don't do anything right.
oh k, I guess the free market is lying when all the best selling erotica, romantic novels and 50 shades portrays a hypermasculine Chad treating the femoid as an object. Or females wanting to be pretend raped is not common. Cause they only like being an object with consent teehee
Being into somethign sexually doesn't mean you want everyone else to treat you that way. If a person enjoys being choked during sex, doesn't mean they want strangers choking them. If someone likes to be "objectified" and called a dirty slut or a filthy prick during sex does not mean they'd like to be called that day to day by someone other than their chosen sexual partner.
If you took a minute to research 50 shades you’d actually see there’s a LOT of controversy around it due to its abusive nature. It is not a book about BDSM at all, and most males and females are aware of that.
Sexual fantasies for males and females exist within the “vacuum” of the bedroom, or wherever you get it on.
Are you implying all women are hypocrites? I’d like to see a source on that.
Same, I know a lot of women, and none of them like being 'objectified'. I mean sure plenty probably have kinks and fetishes, but objectified isn't really the word here.
There's no way to find empirical evidence for this, so we're going to have to base it on anecdotal evidence. What first hand experience do you have about the number of women enjoying objectification during consenting sex vs women? My first hand anecdotal experience puts it about equal.
I could use the prominence of female professional dominants to counter your examples of erotic literature that cash in on a specific kink. Cause either one is just that: a specific kink. And everyone has different ones. I could post tons of yaoi, what would that prove? There's no way to objectively measure the proportions of any of them. It just seems like a majority to you due to confirmation bias.
someone is unaware of basic economics. Males consume all kinds of sexual entertainment including jacking off to fat chicks. Females only like being an object for Chad.
The fact that you guys don't see the very narrow subset of men that this could ever even represent is amazing, but it says a lot about who the "man"osphere is really all about
How narrow exactly? From what I've seen, provider marriages in which the man is pretty brutally exploited, are extremely common. Admittedly, the black guy off tinder part doesn't seem as believable, but come on.
That was a navy boomer phenomenon which is how the manosphere got started to begin with.
Among the baby boomers there are a huge group of men who got into loveless relationships with gold digger floozies and are getting cucked. The divorce rate is actually dropping, it peaked during their generation in response to women's lib.
That's what's up with that post I linked.
They are trying to spin it as if women treat everyone else like they are treated and rather than admitting that their women left them for better albeit less wealthy men, they would rather insist that it's all just looks while ignoring all the times it wasn't. Even the idea of a woman leaving him for a black man is spin as BBC theory, because of course, no one could ever really love a Blackie.
The manosphere speaks from the perspective of rich white guys who are angry at the Civil rights Era. They are the group who have always been opposed to it. That's why dog whistles like beta bux and divorce rape are used which have zero relevance to the vast majority of millenial men.
The vast majority of millenial couples are dual income and the vast majority of millenial men can't even afford to beta bux himself. Divorce rape i. E. Alimony is only awarded when the man makes a significant amount more than the woman which is the setup where there is a bread winner, and a house wife which might take a part time job.
You made it perfectly clear what you think in the previous post. There's no need to repeat that in twice as many words, especially when you're going to present an extremely narrow point of view from within just one culture.
I don't live in the US, but the internet makes it pretty clear that provider marriages are still widespread there, and a majority of those lack affection and intimacy because the wife is just not interested in that. Conversely, I do live in two countries, spending significant amount of time in one, then the other, and in both of those countries such marriages are extremely common and quite a few of my friends and acquaintances are in such marriages.
I have my experience to go on. You have yours, obviously, but your view seems to be more motivated by ideology than experience.
That's not how it works. Being anti ideology isn't itself an ideology just like atheism isn't a religion.
That is how it works. Being anti-ideology is an ideology, atheism is a religion, in fact atheism is a particularly dangerous religion, because the adherents can't see that they're motivated by religious zeal, not reason, resulting in the tens of millions of people being murdered in gulags, etc, under atheist regimes in the 20th century.
Atheism isn't a religion. It is the absent of a religion. There being people who called themselves atheist doesn't even mean they lack an ideology but the ideology isn't atheism.
Among the baby boomers there are a huge group of men who got into loveless relationships with gold digger floozies and are getting cucked. The divorce rate is actually dropping, it peaked during their generation in response to women's lib.
Misleading statistic. The marginal/incremental divorce rate is dropping, but a significant factor as to WHY it is dropping is because far less people are getting married now.
If I divorced my wife, as it stands I'd be divorce raping her, although I'm making more money now and so likely no alimony would be awarded. This is a lot more common than a rich guy with a house wife among millenials.
There's still asset fortification and redistribution in divorce court (oftentimes, even if there is a prenup in place). The fact that you likely make more than your wife won't stop that. Or are you so insanely Gynocentric that you think divorce is SO HARD for the wymen because they don't have a man providing a steady stream of income in which they help manage it to keep it secure?
Even the LMS ideology is a pyramid scheme.
Yes, understanding the fundamental principles of what women find attractive is a PYRAMID scheme...LMFAO
Among the baby boomers there are a huge group of men who got into loveless relationships with gold digger floozies and are getting cucked. The divorce rate is actually dropping, it peaked during their generation in response to women's lib.
Misleading statistic. The marginal/incremental divorce rate is dropping, but a significant factor as to WHY it is dropping is because far less people are getting married now.
Millenials are too young for this to be a complete state. All we can tell is that we are getting married later than boomers.
If I divorced my wife, as it stands I'd be divorce raping her, although I'm making more money now and so likely no alimony would be awarded. This is a lot more common than a rich guy with a house wife among millenials.
There's still asset fortification and redistribution in divorce court (oftentimes, even if there is a prenup in place). The fact that you likely make more than your wife won't stop that. Or are you so insanely Gynocentric that you think divorce is SO HARD for the wymen because they don't have a man providing a steady stream of income in which they help manage it to keep it secure?
Every party gets what they put in which is something that was never a thing in the glory days the manosphere yearns for when the man essentially adopted a child as a wife.
Although I've been making more money recently, she had always made more than I have from the start.
The class shift that is happening is that a low to average income man and woman can team up and be each other's financial liberation which is a huge improvement over the man being expected to be provider.
Even the LMS ideology is a pyramid scheme.
Yes, understanding the fundamental principles of what women find attractive is a PYRAMID scheme...LMFAO
Are you really that gullible? What kind of women could you possibly attract if youre convinced to be an ass hole and bait them with lms?
Millenials are too young for this to be a complete state. All we can tell is that we are getting married later than boomers.
Yes, and given that we do not live in terms of infinite years, the later a population gets married and reproduces, the less that population inherently will get married and reproduce.
Millenials are the children of the baby boomers who were the ones who started the Civil rights movement. We are where the rubber hits the road which is why the push back is happening now.
Due to the change, both men and women are going through an extended adolescence. We are the generation of the 28 year old teenager. It's no surprise that people are getting married later, and millenials at their oldest are like 30.
The average age millenials according to surveys want to get married at 29.
And beyond that it's not like it's guys who are remaining chaste for longer, women are actually more commonly waiting as they have more pressure now than ever to focus in studies and their careers.
Are you really that gullible? What kind of women could you possibly attract if youre convinced to be an ass hole and bait them with lms?
You do realize that LMS just means Looks, Money, and Status, no?
Yes. And tell me what kind of girls are you going to get if you are an asshole and bait women with lms?
Millenials are the children of the baby boomers who were the ones who started the Civil rights movement. We are where the rubber hits the road which is why the push back is happening now.
Due to the change, both men and women are going through an extended adolescence. We are the generation of the 28 year old teenager. It's no surprise that people are getting married later, and millenials at their oldest are like 30.
People aren't getting married, because it's become a diametrically opposed position for both parties (well, at least seemingly so for women). Men see their fathers and uncles who were treated brutally in divorce court who often lost several significant assets. And to respond to the whole people get what they put into the marriage: no, they do not. A woman can cheat and cuckold her husband to the extreme degree, and a husband can be the most loyal and hardworking provider out there, but the courts will still favor the woman.
And beyond that it's not like it's guys who are remaining chaste for longer, women are actually more commonly waiting as they have more pressure now than ever to focus in studies and their careers.
This works both ways; there are several studies in which millenials are not having sex, but I'm inclined to believe that women are merely fluffing their numbers about not having sex.
Yes. And tell me what kind of girls are you going to get if you are an asshole and bait women with lms?
So being good-looking and relatively rich makes you an asshole? Lol.
I'll tell you dude, my wife's ex who she was with for a few months before we met had waaaay higher lms than me. He was also much more of an asshole.
Which is probably why he found someone better than her and left you with the leftovers.
People aren't getting married, because it's become a diametrically opposed position for both parties (well, at least seemingly so for women). Men see their fathers and uncles who were treated brutally in divorce court who often lost several significant assets. And to respond to the whole people get what they put into the marriage: no, they do not. A woman can cheat and cuckold her husband to the extreme degree, and a husband can be the most loyal and hardworking provider out there, but the courts will still favor the woman.
You're just describing your own views. Most couples stay together for life.
This works both ways; there are several studies in which millenials are not having sex, but I'm inclined to believe that women are merely fluffing their numbers about not having sex.
Of course you would.
So being good-looking and relatively rich makes you an asshole? Lol.
Being encouraged into believing that you should be an asshole and to compete in a pyramid scheme where only lms matters does.
Which is probably why he found someone better than her and left you with the leftovers.
Lol. Cope. She left him. Dude tried to get back in touch with her again about 2 years ago. She told him that he was a dick and needed to work on himself. Then ghosted him. But you immediately went into ideological damage control mode didn't you?
You're just describing your own views. Most couples stay together for life.
According to what sources?
Of course you would.
I'm sure you're all for women getting educated, right? Let's look at a hypothetical logistical hook-up model for college females.
Let's look at a conservative model. Say a girl goes out once a week, but she only decides to hook-up with a single guy for each month. A single academic year is roughly 9 months, so that's 9 guys she's having sex with, at the very least, in a year. This means she's had sex with AT LEAST 30 different men by the time she graduates from college. Keep in mind, this doesn't account for her n-count from high school, summer break hook-ups, spring break hook-ups where her sexual activity and amount of time spent naked will spike, additional years of college needed to finish their degree (most people take more than 4 years) among other factors.
Being encouraged into believing that you should be an asshole and to compete in a pyramid scheme where only lms matters does.
In the general scheme of things, it really is the only thing that does matter. Even blue-pilled women will admit this.
Lol. Cope. She left him. Dude tried to get back in touch with her again about 2 years ago. She told him that he was a dick and needed to work on himself. Then ghosted him. But you immediately went into ideological damage control mode didn't you?
You're just describing your own views. Most couples stay together for life.
According to what sources?
Every source. Even at its peak which is during the baby boomer spike post women's lib, which is what instigated the manosphere, less than 50 percent of marriages ended in divorce.
Of course you would.
I'm sure you're all for women getting educated, right? Let's look at a hypothetical logistical hook-up model for college females.
Let's look at a conservative model. Say a girl goes out once a week, but she only decides to hook-up with a single guy for each month. A single academic year is roughly 9 months, so that's 9 guys she's having sex with, at the very least, in a year. This means she's had sex with AT LEAST 30 different men by the time she graduates from college. Keep in mind, this doesn't account for her n-count from high school, summer break hook-ups, spring break hook-ups where her sexual activity and amount of time spent naked will spike, additional years of college needed to finish their degree (most people take more than 4 years) among other factors.
Let's say the opposite. So what?
Being encouraged into believing that you should be an asshole and to compete in a pyramid scheme where only lms matters does.
In the general scheme of things, it really is the only thing that does matter. Even blue-pilled women will admit this.
And there are guys who will buy poop from a woman online. Even blue pilled men admit this. AMALT amirite? Atomic brown pill.. Get real dude. Anyone can cherry pick from the web.
Lol. Cope. She left him. Dude tried to get back in touch with her again about 2 years ago. She told him that he was a dick and needed to work on himself. Then ghosted him. But you immediately went into ideological damage control mode didn't you?
I'd like to hear his side of the story.
His side is that he's a fake asshole who struts around and lies about all these celebrities he knows. But he's just a spoiled rotten trust fund kid that has boundary issues. I had to pretend to be his friend at first since she was living with him, then we ended up leaving him and finding a place with me since I was trying to move out to a anyway.
That was 6 years ago.
2 years ago he called her out of the blue aver tracking her down from a mutual friend.
Every source. Even at its peak which is during the baby boomer spike post women's lib, which is what instigated the manosphere, less than 50 percent of marriages ended in divorce.
Provides zero sources. Even if it was "only" like 48 percent, that doesn't mean it's within the means of tolerable risk.
Some Millennials Are Not Having Sex. But a Vast Majority Are.
My point was that relative to each generation prior; millenials purportedly do have sex far less than previous generations. Now there are various factors for this, the whole false rape hysteria that feminists have been pushing for over a decade and their goal to have the female imperative permeate throughout society and emasculate men are significant factors. However, most women are still having plenty of sex, but they're only having it mostly with top-tier men.
Men more likely to 'marry up' as women become more highly educated
Again, this is similar to what I pointed out to you earlier about how millennials are in fact getting married less because we don't live to infinite years. This is a misrepresentation of statistics. Obviously, if there's been a huge agenda push to hire women and get them educated through means of Affirmative Action and other anti-male institutions, then you're going to start seeing women outperform men on paper. As a result, there will be a marginal percentage of women who have to settle for men who make less than them, and as in turn, this is what bolsters this statistic. So, it's misleading at best.
Let's say the opposite. So what?
So you're suggesting that men shouldn't care that their to-be wife has had several dozens of men who ravaged her and performed hard-thrusting penile penetration upon her? Are you and your wife in a cuckolding relationship by any chance?
And there are guys who will buy poop from a woman online. Even blue pilled men admit this. AMALT amirite? Atomic brown pill.. Get real dude. Anyone can cherry pick from the web.
This isn't cherry-picking. Even women who oppose the red-pill inadvertently and obliviously end up proving its validity.
I have to say, you are a very weird and peculiar person, to be honest. Almost a cross between a tradcon and a modern-day male feminist.
Every source. Even at its peak which is during the baby boomer spike post women's lib, which is what instigated the manosphere, less than 50 percent of marriages ended in divorce.
Provides zero sources. Even if it was "only" like 48 percent, that doesn't mean it's within the means of tolerable risk.
Some Millennials Are Not Having Sex. But a Vast Majority Are.
My point was that relative to each generation prior; millenials purportedly do have sex far less than previous generations. Now there are various factors for this, the whole false rape hysteria that feminists have been pushing for over a decade and their goal to have the female imperative permeate throughout society and emasculate men are significant factors. However, most women are still having plenty of sex, but they're only having it mostly with top-tier men.
Yea that's just not true. The vast majority of men are neither Chad nor incel and they definitely are not rich.
The manosphere is seeing a right of women who are gaining independence and those women are no longer forced to chase lms like they did in the past when a woman's choice in her man determined everything about her life. So how else would they spin it as if this was a bad thing? Of course they're going to have to cherry pick the cases when women choose the "wrong" men.
In that picture I would be the "exotic man". The "man"osphere is an attack on my freedoms and way of life.
For the playing field to level, those who had things rigged in their favor need to lose their unfair advantage. This loss is just the world leveling out. When your leaders see us rise, they are seeing themselves fall but that's just the natural transition. So instead of taking it gracefully, they are trying to convince any man who is struggling into believing that their struggles are the same as theirs.
Men more likely to 'marry up' as women become more highly educated
Again, this is similar to what I pointed out to you earlier about how millennials are in fact getting married less because we don't live to infinite years. This is a misrepresentation of statistics. Obviously, if there's been a huge agenda push to hire women and get them educated through means of Affirmative Action and other anti-male institutions, then you're going to start seeing women outperform men on paper. As a result, there will be a marginal percentage of women who have to settle for men who make less than them, and as in turn, this is what bolsters this statistic. So, it's misleading at best.
It went from women being utterly dependent on a man to determine their caste, social circle, and standard of living to a state of affairs where women are more independent than ever. This paired with the same gains that ethnic men are experiencing from the same revolution are threatening your leaders.
That's why the push back is happening now. At a time when things are less rigged than ever those who want things rigged are blowing their dog whistles.
The manosphere and the alt right are two sides of the same coin.
That's why it's so blatantly racist and even uses broken brain washed ethnic men as minstrels.
Let's say the opposite. So what?
So you're suggesting that men shouldn't care that their to-be wife has had several dozens of men who ravaged her and performed hard-thrusting penile penetration upon her? Are you and your wife in a cuckolding relationship by any chance?
You're literally just making up figures. I met my wife when she was 19. She's had fewer partners than I've had. Most girls have had less than 8 partners including ONS before 30. Men on average actually have MORE partners, and much of that has to do with how women tend to choose older men.
The manosphere relies on cherry picking the subset of women who are the most desperate for validation. Those are the ones who chase LMS, are social media obsessed etc. Then it pretends like all women are like that when they clearly aren't.
Obviously the subset of women who are desperate for validation will put themselves out there way more and so the web makes it really easy to have your fill of cherry picked examples.
The manosphere even goes out of its way to set its followers up for failure by encouraging them to be assholes and to bait women with lms.
Be real. What other type of women would you ever get if you were convinced to be an asshole and flaunt lms? And obviously if you're with a woman who is only with you for lms, she's going to cuck you which then creates the feedback loop the manosphere needs to say AWALT.
And there are guys who will buy poop from a woman online. Even blue pilled men admit this. AMALT amirite? Atomic brown pill.. Get real dude. Anyone can cherry pick from the web.
This isn't cherry-picking. Even women who oppose the red-pill inadvertently and obliviously end up proving its validity.
I have to say, you are a very weird and peculiar person, to be honest. Almost a cross between a tradcon and a modern-day male feminist.
That's exactly the scam that these ideologies rely on. They create a set of perception filters where it's subjects only see the world in terms of artificial stereotypes and otherwise generalizations that feed the narrative.
The manosphere is seeing a right of women who are gaining independence and those women are no longer forced to chase lms like they did in the past when a woman's choice in her man determined everything about her life. So how else would they spin it as if this was a bad thing? Of course they're going to have to cherry pick the cases when women choose the "wrong" men.
In that picture I would be the "exotic man". The "man"osphere is an attack on my freedoms and way of life.
So you're black?
You realize MGTOW largely began as a phenomenon within the black community, no?
It went from women being utterly dependent on a man to determine their caste, social circle, and standard of living to a state of affairs where women are more independent than ever. This paired with the same gains that ethnic men are experiencing from the same revolution are threatening your leaders.
Women still are dependent on men; there's just a middle-man in the whole equation now -- it's called the government. Women, as a group, at all age groups, do not pay a net positive tax, and they are the primary recipients of welfare assistance.
Okay, sure, the manosphere and the alt-right has some implicit overlap, but that's mostly irrelevant in all fairness.
That's why it's so blatantly racist and even uses broken brain washed ethnic men as minstrels.
Okay, so the only ethnic minority that actaully does above-average in the dating market are Latino/Hispanic men. In most other cases, I do think many other ethnic men have a right to be upset, which is what ends up pushing them into various manospherian groups. Why is this? Because statistically, most minority men do perform far below-average in the dating market, but to add salt into the wound -- the women of their same ethnic background prefer to go for white men instead of them (this is essentially the fundamental basis behind groups like /r/hapas).
You're literally just making up figures. I met my wife when she was 19. She's had fewer partners than I've had. Most girls have had less than 8 partners including ONS before 30. Men on average actually have MORE partners, and much of that has to do with how women tend to choose older men.
No, it was a logistical model with conservative estimates. Most women lie about the amount of previous sexual partners they've had -- usually by a factor over 3 (so 8 * 3 + residual, would definitely get them close to the 30-mark I cited in my hypothetical logistical-hook up model under moderately conservative assumptions).
The manosphere even goes out of its way to set its followers up for failure by encouraging them to be assholes and to bait women with lms.
Most of the time, people in the manosphere have tried any and all conventional dating mediums, but have found continued faliure. That's why many men end up going to /r/TRP, and they stay there because it results in improved results. Acting like women are completely unshallow and don't care about LMS is fucking delusional and ignorant.
Be real. What other type of women would you ever get if you were convinced to be an asshole and flaunt lms? And obviously if you're with a woman who is only with you for lms, she's going to cuck you which then creates the feedback loop the manosphere needs to say AWALT.
Most men in marriages get cucked anyways, so I really don't see your point.
The manosphere is seeing a right of women who are gaining independence and those women are no longer forced to chase lms like they did in the past when a woman's choice in her man determined everything about her life. So how else would they spin it as if this was a bad thing? Of course they're going to have to cherry pick the cases when women choose the "wrong" men.
Our parents were the ones who began the Civil rights Era. Millenials are the children of that generation.
The ones who are experiencing the spike in divorces as a consequence are baby boomers while the rates are dropping.
The scam the manosphere pulls is that the walls fell a generation ago and they pretend the walls were never there to begin with.
You are trying to pretend like a giant reset button was pushed when that obviously isn't how things work. We are where the rubber meets the road which is why the push back is happening now.
If the manosphere was really against gold diggers it clearly wouldn't be trying to attack the very rights that women have to not HAVE to be.
In that picture I would be the "exotic man". The "man"osphere is an attack on my freedoms and way of life.
So you're black?
You realize MGTOW largely began as a phenomenon within the black community, no?
Nope. The manosphere is meant to be the false front of the alt right. It uses ethnic men as a minstrel show to to conceal its true agenda.
You think black men are the ones pushing BBC theory? They're the ones objectivity themselves and dismissing their own value? Gimme a break.
Your leaders suckering men who happen to be struggling to believe that their struggles are the same as someone like weinstein to push back against the Civil rights movement.
Your entire narrative confirms it every day
You try to cover it up by claiming that you have ethnic men among you but they're all self hating and play out the stereotype theatre you guys promote.
It went from women being utterly dependent on a man to determine their caste, social circle, and standard of living to a state of affairs where women are more independent than ever. This paired with the same gains that ethnic men are experiencing from the same revolution are threatening your leaders.
Women still are dependent on men; there's just a middle-man in the whole equation now -- it's called the government. Women, as a group, at all age groups, do not pay a net positive tax, and they are the primary recipients of welfare assistance.
Yea, and the same propaganda is being used to attack blacks and other ethics. It was the same propaganda even after emancipation where there were a bunch of free blacks that were suddenly homeless. You used that as an excuse to "prove" that blacks were better off slaves because they were "happier" before emancipation.
Okay, sure, the manosphere and the alt-right has some implicit overlap, but that's mostly irrelevant in all fairness.
That's why it's so blatantly racist and even uses broken brain washed ethnic men as minstrels.
Okay, so the only ethnic minority that actaully does above-average in the dating market are Latino/Hispanic men. In most other cases, I do think many other ethnic men have a right to be upset, which is what ends up pushing them into various manospherian groups. Why is this? Because statistically, most minority men do perform far below-average in the dating market, but to add salt into the wound -- the women of their same ethnic background prefer to go for white men instead of them (this is essentially the fundamental basis behind groups like /r/hapas).
Your very own are beginning to see through your bullshit.
You're literally just making up figures. I met my wife when she was 19. She's had fewer partners than I've had. Most girls have had less than 8 partners including ONS before 30. Men on average actually have MORE partners, and much of that has to do with how women tend to choose older men.
No, it was a logistical model with conservative estimates. Most women lie about the amount of previous sexual partners they've had -- usually by a factor over 3 (so 8 * 3 + residual, would definitely get them close to the 30-mark I cited in my hypothetical logistical-hook up model under moderately conservative assumptions).
Yea of course everything is a lie except what you imagine which conveniently supports your narrative.
The manosphere even goes out of its way to set its followers up for failure by encouraging them to be assholes and to bait women with lms.
Most of the time, people in the manosphere have tried any and all conventional dating mediums, but have found continued faliure. That's why many men end up going to /r/TRP, and they stay there because it results in improved results. Acting like women are completely unshallow and don't care about LMS is fucking delusional and ignorant.
It's because of the precursor of the manosphere PUA which was a group of charlatans who sought to sell relationships snake oil to guys who were struggling. This then created a trap that prevented them from ever developing.
We live in a hyper media saturated society where men are being misled for profit. The entire manosphere only thrives in the struggles of men, and it's entire agenda is counter productive to all but a single subset E. G. Those who had the game rigged in their favor prior to the boomer generation.
Be real. What other type of women would you ever get if you were convinced to be an asshole and flaunt lms? And obviously if you're with a woman who is only with you for lms, she's going to cuck you which then creates the feedback loop the manosphere needs to say AWALT.
Most men in marriages get cucked anyways, so I really don't see your point.
Nope, the spike happened to the baby boomers which is who started this bogus movement. And we're supposes to believe that their struggles are the same as ours.
Why do you think dog whistles like beta bux and divorce rape are constantly sounded off? News flash buddy, the vast majority of normies men are neither Chad, incel, NOR wealthy.
There is no way in hell anyone would ever beta bux the majority of us when we can barely afford to treat ourselves.
If the manosphere was really against gold diggers it clearly wouldn't be trying to attack the very rights that women have to not HAVE to be.
The manosphere isn't against gold diggers. Most of the manosphere just accepts the fact that 'gold-digging' is inherent to female nature.
You are trying to pretend like a giant reset button was pushed when that obviously isn't how things work. We are where the rubber meets the road which is why the push back is happening now.
Yes, the millenials accomplished so much equality. That's why the average outcome for divorce is still downright terrible for most men, and most men are almost guaranteed to lose active contact with their children. That's why employers now have to positively discriminate against men to enforce "equality".
Why do you think dog whistles like beta bux and divorce rape are constantly sounded off? News flash buddy, the vast majority of
normies men are neither Chad, incel, NOR wealthy.
And your point? Most men will take whatever they can get and are desperate betas who pander towards all of women's "precious" needs.
And this image you keep fighting. I thought you wanted women to take accountability for themselves, but when a man suggests that they should, you start to lose your shit. How conveniently hypocritical.
I don't get why you keep citing these. So what if the guy the wife cheated with is black? It's such an irrelevant, minute detail in the whole theme and purpose of the meme.
Yea of course everything is a lie except what you imagine which conveniently supports your narrative.
Most women do not include ONS's in their n-count. That's why a general rule of thumb was derived that you must multiply a woman's reported previous amount of premaritial partners by 3 to get a more accurate estimate. In today's world where cuckoldry , hook-up culture, and open relationships run rampant, it's completely realistic for women to average well above 20 sex partners by the time they graduate college.
It's because of the precursor of the manosphere PUA which was a group of charlatans who sought to sell relationships snake oil to guys who were struggling. This then created a trap that prevented them from ever developing.
We live in a hyper media saturated society where men are being misled for profit. The entire manosphere only thrives in the struggles of men, and it's entire agenda is counter productive to all but a single subset E. G. Those who had the game rigged in their favor prior to the boomer generation.
I have nothing to say to this. If something works, people are going to continue repeating said process until it doesn't reap the results they want.
There is no way in hell anyone would ever beta bux the majority of us when we can barely afford to treat ourselves.
Which is why women aren't getting married, which goes back to one of my primary original points...
Right now a man and a woman can both be low income and still afford to choose each other. Combined they amount to each others financial liberation. That woman no longer has to choose among the men who lead your movement, and paired with the men they choose together shoot op the economic ladder which is really why your leaders are mad.
This just isn't true though. Women look to men for a primary reserve of resources, not as a sort of catalyst to have a synergistic form of financial freedom. Not to mention you conveniently ignore how costs of 2 people != the cost of a single person. You also conveniently ignore how women account for 80 percent of consumption.
I already explained why this isn't really meaningful or significant . What is far more telling is the amount of women who are abstaining from marriage, because they cannot find a good enough provider that they deem fit enough to settle down with.
If the manosphere was really against gold diggers it clearly wouldn't be trying to attack the very rights that women have to not HAVE to be.
The manosphere isn't against gold diggers. Most of the manosphere just accepts the fact that 'gold-digging' is inherent to female nature.
Hahaha okay buddy. Just like how you're not all racist you're just "realistic".
You are trying to pretend like a giant reset button was pushed when that obviously isn't how things work. We are where the rubber meets the road which is why the push back is happening now.
Yes, the millenials accomplished so much equality. That's why the average outcome for divorce is still downright terrible for most men, and most men are almost guaranteed to lose active contact with their children. That's why employers now have to positively discriminate against men to enforce "equality".
Yea and that's where the scam has you. How many millenials do you really think are getting divorced? We're all max like 30. You're being fooled into believing that the struggles of the baby boomers on the other side of the Civil rights movement are your struggles. The divorce rage spiked for THEIR generation in response to the civil-rights movement which is also why they are so mad that so many women are beginning to choose ethnic men for the first time in modern history because it suddenly became no longer illegal when they were in their 20s and 30s.
The vast majority of us gained from the Civil rights, only a tiny subset of men lost their unfair advantage and that's the perspective the manosphere speaks from.
Why do you think dog whistles like beta bux and divorce rape are constantly sounded off? News flash buddy, the vast majority of
normies men are neither Chad, incel, NOR wealthy.
And your point? Most men will take whatever they can get and are desperate betas who pander towards all of women's "precious" needs.
And this image you keep fighting. I thought you wanted women to take accountability for themselves, but when a man suggests that they should, you start to lose your shit. How conveniently hypocritical.
I would be the guy in the last panel, and the exotic cock. The word cuck that the manosphere/alt right are obsessed with is an expression of their hatred of every other type of men.
I don't get why you keep citing these. So what if the guy the wife cheated with is black? It's such an irrelevant, minute detail in the whole theme and purpose of the meme.
Lol that wasn't a true story. These are themes that you guys keep deliberately promoting just like the "exotic cock" thing.
The reason why BBC theory and all the propaganda about the ex cucking the white man for an exotic fling is telling the story from a certain perspective.
What's that supposed to show? That you guys continue to push your bullshit fully aware that you're just trying to get us to chase echoes back into the cave?
You know damn when that when people are asked about different groups they are really being asked what they think of the stereotypes you people created.
That has no bearing on reality at all. You're relying on a huge population of subjects that have never even crossed paths with the men they're rating but only have the stereotype to refer to.
Those tests have always been conducted for the last 100 years to see how well the stereotypes have saturated public opinion.
I'm sure you're gonna wanna spin it as if the impression people have is just natural right?
Yea of course everything is a lie except what you imagine which conveniently supports your narrative.
Most women do not include ONS's in their n-count. That's why a general rule of thumb was derived that you must multiply a woman's reported previous amount of premaritial partners by 3 to get a more accurate estimate. In today's world where cuckoldry , hook-up culture, and open relationships run rampant, it's completely realistic for women to average well above 20 sex partners by the time they graduate college.
That's imaginary. People have always been people. The only difference now is that women have financially independence and can choose less wealthy men. And also they can choose ethnic men.
It's because of the precursor of the manosphere PUA which was a group of charlatans who sought to sell relationships snake oil to guys who were struggling. This then created a trap that prevented them from ever developing.
We live in a hyper media saturated society where men are being misled for profit. The entire manosphere only thrives in the struggles of men, and it's entire agenda is counter productive to all but a single subset E. G. Those who had the game rigged in their favor prior to the boomer generation.
I have nothing to say to this. If something works, people are going to continue repeating said process until it doesn't reap the results they want.
It "works" in that if you are convinced to be an asshole and keep trying to appeal to women with lms you will keep getting the same gold digger floozies over and over again. How else would it possibly work? Then you'll get cucked and come back to say AWALT.
There is no way in hell anyone would ever beta bux the majority of us when we can barely afford to treat ourselves.
Which is why women aren't getting married, which goes back to one of my primary original points...
Women aren't getting married? We don't even have stats for our generation yet. And things like gay marriage have brought the fact that marriage laws are corrupt and horrible. Millenials in general are the generation of the 28 year old teenager. We are the first generation born from the folks who began the Civil rights Era. Women are focusing on careers now which means less women trying to get hitched right after high school which is a good thing.
Right now a man and a woman can both be low income and still afford to choose each other. Combined they amount to each others financial liberation. That woman no longer has to choose among the men who lead your movement, and paired with the men they choose together shoot op the economic ladder which is really why your leaders are mad.
This just isn't true though. Women look to men for a primary reserve of resources, not as a sort of catalyst to have a synergistic form of financial freedom. Not to mention you conveniently ignore how costs of 2 people != the cost of a single person. You also conveniently ignore how women account for 80 percent of consumption.
We went from a time when women had no choice but to be gold diggers and be fully reliant in their men. Now we have low to middle income men and women partnering and making as much as a rich guy and a gold digger does. That's upsetting the apple cart.
There's no way in hell I could live as I do as a single guy on SF.
I already explained why this isn't really meaningful or significant . What is far more telling is the amount of women who are abstaining from marriage, because they cannot find a good enough provider that they deem fit enough to settle down with.
Hahaha you are still trying to pull that. You were complaining a generation ago when they had no choice but to find providers.
What's that supposed to show? That you guys continue to push your bullshit fully aware that you're just trying to get us to chase echoes back into the cave?
You know damn when that when people are asked about different groups they are really being asked what they think of the stereotypes you people created.
That has no bearing on reality at all. You're relying on a huge population of subjects that have never even crossed paths with the men they're rating but only have the stereotype to refer to.
It's all based on a normal distribution of response data for varying ethnicities/races. You can do everything you want to try to rationalize it the way you want to, but it is what it is.
That's imaginary. People have always been people. The only difference now is that women have financially independence and can choose less wealthy men. And also they can choose ethnic men.
So you're not denying that women sleep around now? At least we can agree on something.
It "works" in that if you are convinced to be an asshole and keep trying to appeal to women with lms you will keep getting the same gold digger floozies over and over again. How else would it possibly work? Then you'll get cucked and come back to say AWALT. For the rest of you you're just told it must be looks because none of the literal cucks that started your ideology wanna admit the truth.
You can't get cucked if you don't participate in relationships (only do ONS and FWBs).
Women aren't getting married? We don't even have stats for our generation yet. And things like gay marriage have brought the fact that marriage laws are corrupt and horrible. Millenials in general are the generation of the 28 year old teenager. We are the first generation born from the folks who began the Civil rights Era. Women are focusing on careers now which means less women trying to get hitched right after high school which is a good thing.
"We don't even have stats for our generation yet." LMFAO...
There's no way in hell I could live as I do as a single guy on SF.
Then don't live in SF? It's a shitlib city that's overpopulated and overpriced. Unless you're a top softdev working in Silicon Valley, I don't know why you would feel like you're restricted to that area.
Hahaha you are still trying to pull that. You werent complaining a generation ago when they had no choice but to find providers.
your shits fake.
I criticize tradcons all of the time. I think they're delusional, and they do not understand the true nature of women.
What's that supposed to show? That you guys continue to push your bullshit fully aware that you're just trying to get us to chase echoes back into the cave?
You know damn when that when people are asked about different groups they are really being asked what they think of the stereotypes you people created.
That has no bearing on reality at all. You're relying on a huge population of subjects that have never even crossed paths with the men they're rating but only have the stereotype to refer to.
It's all based on a normal distribution of response data for varying ethnicities/races. You can do everything you want to try to rationalize it the way you want to, but it is what it is.
Cut the crap. You know for the last 100 years even beyond the multitude of laws, commercial codes and propaganda against ethnic men didn't exist just for the lulz. Your parents were the ones who finally struck down segregation.
Why don't we refer to the two sides of racism again:
The story was revised into what we think now where uncle Tom was a an old asexual subservient house slave who betrayed his own.
They did the same thing to Sessue and morphed the Asian male stereotype to the old cel fu Manchu which is still being depicted.
The Asian stereotype was based on the book meat VS rice which was written to counter act the fact that women were not racist enough.
We're their children and there are still plenty of boomers on the opposite side and yet the difference now in terms of the average rating is a difference of around 15 percent.
The tides much more rapidly than you are comfortable with yet you are pretending as if it should be instantaneous. And you are pretending like the residule impact is just how ugly black people are naturally. Give me a break.
That's imaginary. People have always been people. The only difference now is that women have financially independence and can choose less wealthy men. And also they can choose ethnic men.
So you're not denying that women sleep around now? At least we can agree on something.
Some do and men do as well. I'm fact again, due to women choosing to focus on careers for the first time in modern history not just here in fact but in other counties like Japan too, women are remaining chaste for longer and delaying marriage.
It's obvious that there are fewer women in a rush to get married because they don't have to rush. That's a good thing. That also frees them to choose men based on standards beyond LMS.
You keep forgetting that during our parents generation and prior a woman's choice in her man determined her entire life.
It "works" in that if you are convinced to be an asshole and keep trying to appeal to women with lms you will keep getting the same gold digger floozies over and over again. How else would it possibly work? Then you'll get cucked and come back to say AWALT. For the rest of you you're just told it must be looks because none of the literal cucks that started your ideology wanna admit the truth.
You can't get cucked if you don't participate in relationships (only do ONS and FWBs).
The only people who are fearing cuckdom are men among the manosphere. I've never met a single man who even used the word cuck. If I was convinced to be an asshole and my women were only with me for LMS of course I'd be terrified of being cucked and I would be. That's a ridiculous game they're choosing to play that amounts it a pyramid scheme.
Women aren't getting married? We don't even have stats for our generation yet. And things like gay marriage have brought the fact that marriage laws are corrupt and horrible. Millenials in general are the generation of the 28 year old teenager. We are the first generation born from the folks who began the Civil rights Era. Women are focusing on careers now which means less women trying to get hitched right after high school which is a good thing.
"We don't even have stats for our generation yet." LMFAO...
Millenials are sub 30 right now. The average age millenials want to get married is 29. And despite our tiny foot print the divorce rates are dropping. They only spiked right after the Civil rights movement began and the spike happens to the boomers who started the manosphere.
There's no way in hell I could live as I do as a single guy on SF.
Then don't live in SF? It's a shitlib city that's overpopulated and overpriced. Unless you're a top softdev working in Silicon Valley, I don't know why you would feel like you're restricted to that area.
You watch too much TV. For as much as you think that everyone is a feminazi SJW, my entire social circle is the art, lit, and music community, folks who everyone would presume are leftists. I know about 3 of them and I don't really even interact with them. Theyre extremists and stick to their own.
TV represents SF much different than it really is.
Hahaha you are still trying to pull that. You werent complaining a generation ago when they had no choice but to find providers.
your shits fake.
I criticize tradcons all of the time. I think they're delusional, and they do not understand the true nature of women.
I really am not interested in your whole race-baiting, civil-rights-movement propaganda, so I'm just going to respectfully ignore it.
Some do and men do as well. In fact again, due to women choosing to focus on careers for the first time in modern history not just here in fact but in other counties like Japan too, women are remaining chaste for longer and delaying marriage.
It's obvious that there are fewer women in a rush to get married because they don't have to rush. That's a good thing. That also frees them to choose men based on standards beyond LMS.
Women, especially when settling down for marriage, are going to select upon LMS. East Asia should not be used as a comparison to Western nations since East Asia is far more sexually conservative (with, ironically, Japan being the most sexually liberal).
You keep bringing up that women DO NOT assess men based on LMS. What exactly do you think they assess a man's value on then?
You keep forgetting that during our parents generation and prior a woman's choice in her man determined her entire life. That meant they had much more pressure to choose conventionally attractive and high status men.
The only people who are fearing cuckdom are men among the manosphere. I've never met a single man who even used the word cuck. If I was convinced to be an asshole and my women were only with me for LMS of course I'd be terrified of being cucked and I would be. That's a ridiculous game they're choosing to play that amounts it a pyramid scheme.
That's because the average man is a blue-pilled ignoramus who thinks women are perfect and loyal angels. Over 50 percent of wives cheat on their husbands, so not fearing 'cuckdom' while pursuing relationships, especially marriage, is fucking ignorant and lackadaisical.
Millenials are sub 30 right now. The average age millenials want to get married is 29. And despite our tiny foot print the divorce rates are dropping. They only spiked right after the Civil rights movement began and the spike happens to the boomers who started the manosphere.
You still don't seem to understand that while the marginal divorce rate declines; the marginal marriage rate declines as well. That's why your statistic is misleading. Nevertheless, to claim that you cannot form any conclusions based on the current statistics of said sub-population is just blatantly misleading and false.
I really am not interested in your whole race-baiting, civil-rights-movement propaganda, so I'm just going to respectfully ignore it.
Some do and men do as well. In fact again, due to women choosing to focus on careers for the first time in modern history not just here in fact but in other counties like Japan too, women are remaining chaste for longer and delaying marriage.
It's obvious that there are fewer women in a rush to get married because they don't have to rush. That's a good thing. That also frees them to choose men based on standards beyond LMS.
Women, especially when settling down for marriage, are going to select upon LMS. East Asia should not be used as a comparison to Western nations since East Asia is far more sexually conservative (with, ironically, Japan being the most sexually liberal).
You keep bringing up that women DO NOT assess men based on LMS. What exactly do you think they assess a man's value on then?
Get real. Again the very shift that is being attack is the shift from women being solely dependent on her choice in men to determine everything about her life.
You can't have it both ways. We came from a time as recently as when our parents the boomers were of dating age that women chose men SOLELY BASED ON LMS because the man's lms determined EVERYTHING about their lives.
Both men and women are going through an extended adolescence specifically because the tides are turning and women are beginning to focus on their careers.
In the past the reason why women married much older men was for the same reason. Men had to delay their lives to get set up before they would have the ability to settle and marry a house wife.
The tendency of women to marry older men is still there even though it's only a relic as we transition into the type of Equality that your leaders are trying to get you to oppose.
You keep forgetting that during our parents generation and prior a woman's choice in her man determined her entire life. That meant they had much more pressure to choose conventionally attractive and high status men.
The only people who are fearing cuckdom are men among the manosphere. I've never met a single man who even used the word cuck. If I was convinced to be an asshole and my women were only with me for LMS of course I'd be terrified of being cucked and I would be. That's a ridiculous game they're choosing to play that amounts it a pyramid scheme.
That's because the average man is a blue-pilled ignoramus who thinks women are perfect and loyal angels. Over 50 percent of wives cheat on their husbands, so not fearing 'cuckdom' while pursuing relationships, especially marriage, is fucking ignorant and lackadaisical.
You pulled that stat out of your ass. Men cheat more than women and the number is closer to around 19 percent for women and 23 percent for men. And the numbers are going to be closely tied with men leading because revenge cheating is basically a tradition.
Millenials are sub 30 right now. The average age millenials want to get married is 29. And despite our tiny foot print the divorce rates are dropping. They only spiked right after the Civil rights movement began and the spike happens to the boomers who started the manosphere.
You still don't seem to understand that while the marginal divorce rate declines; the marginal marriage rate declines as well. That's why your statistic is misleading. Nevertheless, to claim that you cannot form any conclusions based on the current statistics of said sub-population is just blatantly misleading and false.
How old are you? I'm 28. My generation hasn't lived long enough to actually even determine what our divorce rates are. They are on the decline however because of the intermediary Gen Xers. The spike in divorces hit the headlines only recently due to women's lib and the primary generation that it hit was the boomers.
You keep showing numbers demonstrating that there is still residule impact from the past as if right when the laws change people should have just rebooted.
Lmfao, I am done with this bullshit. I can show you every study demonstrating hypergamy as inherent behavior to female humans, but you'll just keep saying, "Oh, we don't have enough feminism yet, that's why women still care about how much money a man makes."
Seriously, if you want to be that ignorant, you're on your own. Most women will even admit (admittedly, in a euphemistic fashion) that they are seeking men in higher socioeconomic statuses than average when seeking a man to marry.
You keep showing numbers demonstrating that there is still residule impact from the past as if right when the laws change people should have just rebooted.
Lmfao, I am done with this bullshit. I can show you every study demonstrating hypergamy as inherent behavior to female humans, but you'll just keep saying, "Oh, we don't have enough feminism yet, that's why women still care about how much money a man makes."
Seriously, if you want to be that ignorant, you're on your own. Most women will even admit (admittedly, in a euphemistic fashion) that they are seeking men in higher socioeconomic statuses than average when seeking a man to marry.
Dude you know you're full of shit. How the hell else would it work after about a hundred years of modern history?
And why do you think you are accusing all of us normies of being beta bux then? If that's so normal? Newsflash buddy. It's less common than it's ever been.
Facts are facts we came from a time during our parents generation when women had to all be gold diggers and we are now in a time when it's becoming less and less true.
You keep their to pretend like transitions should happen over night. I don't know if you ate trying to be deceptive or you've just been suckered in by your own ideology.
Why pray tell are you people complainjng about women being gold diggers now? And why is the same group against women's lib which only exists as an expression of women no longer wanting to HAVE to rely on men.
Meh, my parents got divorced because they weren’t happy together; Same thing for most of my friends’ parents.
Both sides move on with their lives, I’m just saying you shouldn’t restrain yourselves to the small-minded representation of this post.
Furthermore, you influence situations around you based on how you believe its gonna turn out; If you get into a marriage with this twisted conception of what it is, then it’s probably gonna head that way.
If you get married its going to happen if youre married long enough regardless of "how good of a husband you are" shes going to get tired of you eventually
Your parents got divorced because they wanted to have sex with different people, and they figured that desire outweighed providing you with a normal living environment where you could have a happy family like everyone else. You can add circumstances to this to make it more palatable for yourself, but this is what everyone thinks about divorced people behind their backs.
Somebody did a trawl on /r/incles once before it got banned, and it turned out that most subscribers were also active on the_donald (biggest overlap with any sub, can't say I'm suprised) and a bunch of white nationalism propaganda subs.
Apparently incels are just much more likely to be racists. (I'm sure it has nothing to do with them being incels /s)
It seems that your comment contains 1 or more links that are hard to tap for mobile users.
I will extend those so they're easier for our sausage fingers to click!
I like how you focus on addressing an issue that isn't there (supposed racism when the black guy is the one who is attractive and sought after) instead of addressing the main point. You make this bullshit racism allegation because of the fact you know how true the post is but don't want to admit it and argue anyway
News flash, you can focus on lots of things and comment on them if you want to, not just the main idea. The main idea is stupid anyway, if you think this post is “true” you are an idiot, because you are implying that every single woman on the planet does exactly this and treats men like shit.
It's usually those kind of guys who do this type of stuff. Successful and educated men don't have time or the inclination to be chasing around married house wives on Facebook while they are at work.
Alright then, you win. Whatever fucking marriage it is, she IS going to leave you.
So, why the fuck do you want to marry in the first place if you already know it’s gonna end that way?huh?
I honestly wanna know. I don’t get myself in relationships that I know won’t work, so tell me why you do.
Idk where you got the idea that we want to marry. Marriage is a feminist institution, it only serves women. Marriage in its current state (arbitrary rules enforced by the state against men) should be abolished. It’s a scam directed at men.
you’re a misogynist prick and you have no proof to back up that it is any arbitrary rules enforced by the state against men. It should not be abolished. I am a man and I am happily married, I don’t think it’s a scam at all, maybe you just need to not be so disrespectful towards women and then you could get one
What are the benefits of owning a piece of paper that says you are married? None. Marriage used to be beneficial for women because they had less rights.
if my wife is in the hospital, I can visit her in situations only family can. She is legally part of my family now. She can be on the same insurance plans as me. There’s countless benefits to being legally married
okay? You asked for benefits and I gave you benefits. I am happily married, and I am glad I got married. Maybe someday you can find one too, but you’d have to start by not being so spiteful towards anything involving a relationship. It isn’t anyone’s fault but your own that you are alone, and you are the way you are because of decisions you have made.
It isn’t anyone’s fault but your own that you are alone, and you are the way you are because of decisions you have made.
The second part is true but the first one not so much. It’s not my fault that women reject me for things that are out of my control like ethnicity, height and face.
Yes, but you’re gonna run into that and you have to just accept and move on. Rejection happens, sometimes more for some people but maybe you just need to go after lower quality women
I married 3 years ago after 7 years together having met at 19. For some people it can change a relationship for the better and in our case made us genuinely happier.
I think the idea of marriage being historically beneficial to women is a little flawed. In some ways it served to provide security when they were prevented from earning as much money as men and had less control over conception. However marital rape wasn’t considered rape, husbands were legally allowed to beat their wives (within ‘reason’) and up until the turn of the century custody of children was automatically the preserve of the husband after divorce. There are societies today that still practise these customs and in no way do I believe that is beneficial for women.
Just to caveat with reference to the above picture, I do not think custody should ever be automatic and I think fathers often get a very raw deal. Nor do I think divorce settlements are often fair but one would hope that all factors should be considered when assets are divided.
When was state-sponsored marriage established? In my country it was the 1890s. Before it there was only religious marriage, which was entirely different.
If you are defining the institution of marriage by year it was established as a state-sponsored institution in 1890, then how does that show that it is a feminist institution if feminism had no significant influence at that time.
And it's not like cultural beliefs from the religious institution of marriage didn't cross over into the state-sponsored institution .
You laughed at this because laughing at male suffering is encouraged by society.
The trauma this man will suffer as a result of the massive injustice he went through is at least as bad as the trauma the typical rape victim goes through. He lost everything. And yet we're allowed to laugh and joke at the former, but we're not allowed to laugh and joke at the latter.
At every level, women have more privileges than men have. There are no homeless women. No women dying in wars. Society is massively sympathetic to female suffering.
At a few levels women have more privileges than men. As a whole women tend to be less privileged in terms of education, employment, social status, and even home status.
Women are more educated than men nowadays. And employment isn't a privilege if you have to work gruelling jobs. Women get easy money from the state as well as beta-providers.
You changed my discussion to the west. I’m talking about the world here. You want to use only the west as as a discussion point because you know as well as I do that women are far more underprivileged on this earth as a whole. Why are you making it into a competition anyway? Do you get some sort of pride from pretending to be a victim? The men on this sub just want to be victims when there are real victims of oppression out there (no one on this sub) who would love to not be living their current set of circumstances.
I'm talking about the west because the places you're talking about (Saudi Arabia, Sudan, India, etc) have other problems that lead to women having less rights, mainly because they are under developed and religious as fuck.
Why are you making it into a competition
I'm not making it into a competition, you said "women are less privileged than men when it comes to education" and I provided information that shows otherwise.
Do you get some sort of pride from pretending to be a victim
No?
The men on this sub just want to be victims when there are real victims of oppression out there
Why are you changing the goal posts? It was clear even to me that everyone was talking about the west here. After all, the comic is based on the west. What has Saudi Arabia gotta do with the west?
Women die in wars as soldiers and as civilian casualties. There are also numerous homeless women. Do you live on some planet where these things don’t exist and all males are victims?
No ones saying that certain women don’t have shit lives, but the average woman in western society is much more privileged and much better off than the average man. Everyone can see it which is why feminism is seen as a fucking joke.
Provide me with a real (not a .com site) source providing statistics and the conclusion that men have it worse. You are drawing from your own experiences and you do not equal all men.
You're partly right; women get a boost to their victimization called perceived suffering, which effects how much the rest of society is willing to acknowledge your suffering. Since truth is mostly a subjective concept, with perceived suffering, the value of your actual suffering gets boosted to a level that surpasses men's actual suffering value, which receives no extra boost.
This is not only false, but the exact opposite of the truth. Women with pain are less likely to be given pain meds and are perceived to be in less pain than their male counterparts study
I don't think anyone claimed they get less medical treatment. I wouldn't know about that either way. But women are less likely to have their pain treated or taken seriously. The same is true for minorities. The study is from Harvard, but if you think it's "shit," it's a pretty well-known phenomenon in the medical field, so you won't have trouble finding studies from different sources.
uhhhh, you most certainly did. If you just want to get the last word in, that's fine, but don't you think your free time could be spent doing something worthwhile?
Wow that's a masterpiece! One question though, the stick figures are all jet black so i assume they represent black people in real life? So why did you go through all the trouble to depict the guy who fucks the woman as a black guy as well? Seems a bit redundant to me...
I mean don't get me wrong, it was superbly done, I can only start to imagine the effort that must have gone into editing that face in so artfully!
Anyway, I will fully admit now, you incel guys really are one step ahead! staying virgins and all, never entering any form of relationship, you've been playing the long game all the time, eh?
Btw, does this also work in reverse? Cause my girlfriend currently earns about three times as much as I do and I'm the one who wants kids, so...you know. Just asking for science
Meh, then I have a free pass at fucking one of the co-workers who've been hitting on me for half a year.
Why are you guys so incompetent at getting under people's skins? One would assume after a lifetime of being bullied you'd know a thing or two about playing mindgames, but no.
Well, according to the black pill that's really a non-issue, since my looks are all that's needed to get into their pants.
Or maybe it's my rouguish charm.
Or maybe my girlfriend isn't actually cheating on me at all, because we are in a loving, emotionally fulfilling relationship and have great sex about three times a week?
If you think sex is absolutely divorced from reality you are an idiot. Females love being objects and they do not deserve respect or treated as a non-object for that.
Yeah dude we have no standards and then you will probably say somewhere else we only go for 10/10s. As ugly males we don't do anything right.
What are the benefits of owning a piece of paper that says you are married? None. Marriage used to be beneficial for women because they had less rights.
I really am not interested in your whole race-baiting, civil-rights-movement propaganda, so I'm just going to respectfully ignore it.
Some do and men do as well. In fact again, due to women choosing to focus on careers for the first time in modern history not just here in fact but in other counties like Japan too, women are remaining chaste for longer and delaying marriage.
It's obvious that there are fewer women in a rush to get married because they don't have to rush. That's a good thing. That also frees them to choose men based on standards beyond LMS.
Women, especially when settling down for marriage, are going to select upon LMS. East Asia should not be used as a comparison to Western nations since East Asia is far more sexually conservative (with, ironically, Japan being the most sexually liberal).
You keep bringing up that women DO NOT assess men based on LMS. What exactly do you think they assess a man's value on then?
Get real. Again the very shift that is being attack is the shift from women being solely dependent on her choice in men to determine everything about her life.
You can't have it both ways. We came from a time as recently as when our parents the boomers were of dating age that women chose men SOLELY BASED ON LMS because the man's lms determined EVERYTHING about their lives.
Both men and women are going through an extended adolescence specifically because the tides are turning and women are beginning to focus on their careers.
In the past the reason why women married much older men was for the same reason. Men had to delay their lives to get set up before they would have the ability to settle and marry a house wife.
The tendency of women to marry older men is still there even though it's only a relic as we transition into the type of Equality that your leaders are trying to get you to oppose.
You keep forgetting that during our parents generation and prior a woman's choice in her man determined her entire life. That meant they had much more pressure to choose conventionally attractive and high status men.
The only people who are fearing cuckdom are men among the manosphere. I've never met a single man who even used the word cuck. If I was convinced to be an asshole and my women were only with me for LMS of course I'd be terrified of being cucked and I would be. That's a ridiculous game they're choosing to play that amounts it a pyramid scheme.
That's because the average man is a blue-pilled ignoramus who thinks women are perfect and loyal angels. Over 50 percent of wives cheat on their husbands, so not fearing 'cuckdom' while pursuing relationships, especially marriage, is fucking ignorant and lackadaisical.
You pulled that stat out of your ass. Men cheat more than women and the number is closer to around 19 percent for women and 23 percent for men. And the numbers are going to be closely tied with men leading because revenge cheating is basically a tradition.
Millenials are sub 30 right now. The average age millenials want to get married is 29. And despite our tiny foot print the divorce rates are dropping. They only spiked right after the Civil rights movement began and the spike happens to the boomers who started the manosphere.
You still don't seem to understand that while the marginal divorce rate declines; the marginal marriage rate declines as well. That's why your statistic is misleading. Nevertheless, to claim that you cannot form any conclusions based on the current statistics of said sub-population is just blatantly misleading and false.
How old are you? I'm 28. My generation hasn't lived long enough to actually even determine what our divorce rates are. They are on the decline however because of the intermediary Gen Xers. The spike in divorces hit the headlines only recently due to women's lib and the primary generation that it hit was the boomers.
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1 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-03-16
always kek at "he made me feel special" Chad and Tyrone treating the femoid as an object makes them feel special
1 Shazoa 2018-03-16
There's a stark difference between objectifying someone and making them feel sexually and emotionally desirable.
1 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-03-16
teeheehee when Chad calls me a dirty whore it's special teehee
1 gufestus2 2018-03-16
That's exactly it haha.
1 sharkb8master 2018-03-16
Don't justify cheating.
1 TreesnCats 2018-03-16
IncelTears has justified worse than that in their quest to defy incels at every turn.
1 Jcart105 2018-03-16
I've seen several of them justify the torture and execution of various men in the manosphere.
1 r4risbullshit 2018-03-16
That's a weekly basis, fam.
1 kalliroi 2018-03-16
Incels objectify women 24/7
1 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-03-16
that's because they are objects and they love being objects, hence 50 shades is such a hit
1 kalliroi 2018-03-16
BDSM and objectifying women are very different things. And something being “a big hit” doesn’t mean every single woman is into it. Women are people not objects.
1 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-03-16
teeeheeeheee I only love being an object for Chad BUT ONLY WITH CONSENT BECAUSE I'M A POWAFUL WIMMENNZ. They love being sex objects for Chad and I am not going to treat them as non-objects if they love being fuckholes for Chad. I don't owe them anything either, cause no one is entitled to anything teehee
1 kalliroi 2018-03-16
How you treat your partner during sex and how you treat the opposite sex in general in your everyday life are different. What is being a “fuckhole” for Chad even suggest? Having sex with an attractive man? What a wild thing to do!!! Says the guy who would probably fuck anything with a vagina.
1 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-03-16
oh yes because wanting to be treated as a ragged object is totally divorced from everyday life cause the femoid says so. So femoids are not object when he is Chad's conquest number 34645635 and then Chad forgets them and the femoid totally never complains about being objectified after that teehee cause she is a strong wimmenz!!!!
Oh wow I would fuck anything with a vagina, that is quite an insult coming here. Do you feel speshul that you have sex cause you are a female (I am guessing)?
1 kalliroi 2018-03-16
If you think kinky sex are the same as everyday life you are a fucking idiot. I don’t have sex, I just think that it’s pathetic that you people have no standards.
1 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-03-16
If you think sex is absolutely divorced from reality you are an idiot. Females love being objects and they do not deserve respect or treated as a non-object for that.
Yeah dude we have no standards and then you will probably say somewhere else we only go for 10/10s. As ugly males we don't do anything right.
1 kalliroi 2018-03-16
Who are the females you are referring to? I’ve never met a woman like that in my life???
1 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-03-16
oh k, I guess the free market is lying when all the best selling erotica, romantic novels and 50 shades portrays a hypermasculine Chad treating the femoid as an object. Or females wanting to be pretend raped is not common. Cause they only like being an object with consent teehee
1 AlphabetSmut 2018-03-16
Is there something wrong with males and females having kinks and fantasies?
1 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-03-16
Yes, there certainly is. Someone who likes being an object has no right in saying they don't want to be objectified.
1 AlphabetSmut 2018-03-16
Being into somethign sexually doesn't mean you want everyone else to treat you that way. If a person enjoys being choked during sex, doesn't mean they want strangers choking them. If someone likes to be "objectified" and called a dirty slut or a filthy prick during sex does not mean they'd like to be called that day to day by someone other than their chosen sexual partner.
1 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-03-16
because sexual preferences are divorced from reality because it makes females look bad teehee
1 AlphabetSmut 2018-03-16
That’s not accurate at all. And sexual fantasies apply to both males and females. Unless they’re asexual.
1 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-03-16
so it exists in a vacuum? Females overwhelmingly love being objects and degraded more, hence 50 shades is a massive hit. They are also hypocrites
1 AlphabetSmut 2018-03-16
If you took a minute to research 50 shades you’d actually see there’s a LOT of controversy around it due to its abusive nature. It is not a book about BDSM at all, and most males and females are aware of that.
Sexual fantasies for males and females exist within the “vacuum” of the bedroom, or wherever you get it on.
Are you implying all women are hypocrites? I’d like to see a source on that.
0 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-03-16
The fact is that it is a massive success. If only very few females liked that it would be a flop.
1 AlphabetSmut 2018-03-16
That’s not what I said, but go ahead, push your own agenda! Have a great rest of your weekend!
1 methaferus 2018-03-16
Yes you have you dont judge a woman by what she says you pay attention to her actions
1 AlphabetSmut 2018-03-16
Same, I know a lot of women, and none of them like being 'objectified'. I mean sure plenty probably have kinks and fetishes, but objectified isn't really the word here.
1 BlatantNapping 2018-03-16
Lots of men get off on being objectified during sex too. It's not gender specific, it's just a kinky thing.
1 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-03-16
It's a million times more common with females. I would probably say it's the majority
1 BlatantNapping 2018-03-16
There's no way to find empirical evidence for this, so we're going to have to base it on anecdotal evidence. What first hand experience do you have about the number of women enjoying objectification during consenting sex vs women? My first hand anecdotal experience puts it about equal.
1 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-03-16
I have seen hordes of roasties willing to be another fuckhole for Chad's conquests.
1 BlatantNapping 2018-03-16
Lol ok. Totally not subjective, then.
1 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-03-16
lol okay, the free market does not lie
1 BlatantNapping 2018-03-16
I could use the prominence of female professional dominants to counter your examples of erotic literature that cash in on a specific kink. Cause either one is just that: a specific kink. And everyone has different ones. I could post tons of yaoi, what would that prove? There's no way to objectively measure the proportions of any of them. It just seems like a majority to you due to confirmation bias.
1 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-03-16
someone is unaware of basic economics. Males consume all kinds of sexual entertainment including jacking off to fat chicks. Females only like being an object for Chad.
1 Sniveling_Cur 2018-03-16
prove it
1 NotASIMP 2018-03-16
Lol @ coffee
1 satendrakumar_tm15 2018-03-16
Tyrone bbc😂
1 satendrakumar_tm15 2018-03-16
Marriage is a dumb deal for men.
1 LORD-THUNDERCUNT 2018-03-16
Betabux and Tyrone fucks
1 Short_Bitter_Faggot 2018-03-16
Just lol @ getting married in the 21st century.
1 Sniveling_Cur 2018-03-16
It's so hilarious to see gays fight so hard for marriage rights. It's like lemmings jumping off the cliff.
1 Incelistan 2018-03-16
Only get married if you're at least above average in attractiveness, preferably if you're Chad-tier
1 GC0W30 2018-03-16
And want kids, and arguably not even then.
Marrying without having children is just two adults playing house, with one of them not able to stop playing house without losing a bunch of money.
1 asdasda5453 2018-03-16
i have given up, i am sick of all the degenerates and this disgusting world, i should just fucking convert to islam at this point sharia> degeneracy
1 ScionOfTheLion 2018-03-16
This is what normtards don't understand when they tell incels to visit the lift and shower their therapist.
1 MrTomDawson 2018-03-16
What, that all relationships inevitably end with some black dude banging your wife?
1 methaferus 2018-03-16
If you want to see racism or whatever you're going to see it in things that clearly arent
1 r4risbullshit 2018-03-16
In a funny way, this post is unironically race-baiting the more naive normans.
1 captvic 2018-03-16
Accurate af
1 neomancr 2018-03-16
Saved
The fact that you guys don't see the very narrow subset of men that this could ever even represent is amazing, but it says a lot about who the "man"osphere is really all about
1 TreesnCats 2018-03-16
What's the /u/ handle of his programmer? He's not responding to the right posts.
1 neomancr 2018-03-16
https://imgur.com/5N1Lx2A
If you can't see the same message you should consult your programmer.
1 r4risbullshit 2018-03-16
The figure heads at Google fired his programmer when they didn't like his opinion of the way they 'diversify' their hiring programs.
1 Carkudo 2018-03-16
How narrow exactly? From what I've seen, provider marriages in which the man is pretty brutally exploited, are extremely common. Admittedly, the black guy off tinder part doesn't seem as believable, but come on.
1 neomancr 2018-03-16
That was a navy boomer phenomenon which is how the manosphere got started to begin with.
Among the baby boomers there are a huge group of men who got into loveless relationships with gold digger floozies and are getting cucked. The divorce rate is actually dropping, it peaked during their generation in response to women's lib.
That's what's up with that post I linked.
They are trying to spin it as if women treat everyone else like they are treated and rather than admitting that their women left them for better albeit less wealthy men, they would rather insist that it's all just looks while ignoring all the times it wasn't. Even the idea of a woman leaving him for a black man is spin as BBC theory, because of course, no one could ever really love a Blackie.
The manosphere speaks from the perspective of rich white guys who are angry at the Civil rights Era. They are the group who have always been opposed to it. That's why dog whistles like beta bux and divorce rape are used which have zero relevance to the vast majority of millenial men.
The vast majority of millenial couples are dual income and the vast majority of millenial men can't even afford to beta bux himself. Divorce rape i. E. Alimony is only awarded when the man makes a significant amount more than the woman which is the setup where there is a bread winner, and a house wife which might take a part time job.
http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2017/09/06/men-more-likely-to-marry-up-as-women-become-more-highly-educated.html
1 Carkudo 2018-03-16
You made it perfectly clear what you think in the previous post. There's no need to repeat that in twice as many words, especially when you're going to present an extremely narrow point of view from within just one culture.
I don't live in the US, but the internet makes it pretty clear that provider marriages are still widespread there, and a majority of those lack affection and intimacy because the wife is just not interested in that. Conversely, I do live in two countries, spending significant amount of time in one, then the other, and in both of those countries such marriages are extremely common and quite a few of my friends and acquaintances are in such marriages.
I have my experience to go on. You have yours, obviously, but your view seems to be more motivated by ideology than experience.
1 neomancr 2018-03-16
That's not how it works. Being anti ideology isn't itself an ideology just like atheism isn't a religion.
The foundation of the black pill is a endless bag of post hoc rationalizations for the fact that the vast majority of couples don't fit their claim.
1 Carkudo 2018-03-16
No. I completely missed who I was talking to when replying the first time. Go eat shit and die, you kooky waste of skin.
1 neomancr 2018-03-16
But then where would the fun be?
1 Incel9876 2018-03-16
That is how it works. Being anti-ideology is an ideology, atheism is a religion, in fact atheism is a particularly dangerous religion, because the adherents can't see that they're motivated by religious zeal, not reason, resulting in the tens of millions of people being murdered in gulags, etc, under atheist regimes in the 20th century.
1 neomancr 2018-03-16
Atheism isn't a religion. It is the absent of a religion. There being people who called themselves atheist doesn't even mean they lack an ideology but the ideology isn't atheism.
1 Jcart105 2018-03-16
Misleading statistic. The marginal/incremental divorce rate is dropping, but a significant factor as to WHY it is dropping is because far less people are getting married now.
There's still asset fortification and redistribution in divorce court (oftentimes, even if there is a prenup in place). The fact that you likely make more than your wife won't stop that. Or are you so insanely Gynocentric that you think divorce is SO HARD for the wymen because they don't have a man providing a steady stream of income in which they help manage it to keep it secure?
Yes, understanding the fundamental principles of what women find attractive is a PYRAMID scheme...LMFAO
1 neomancr 2018-03-16
Millenials are too young for this to be a complete state. All we can tell is that we are getting married later than boomers.
Every party gets what they put in which is something that was never a thing in the glory days the manosphere yearns for when the man essentially adopted a child as a wife.
Although I've been making more money recently, she had always made more than I have from the start.
The class shift that is happening is that a low to average income man and woman can team up and be each other's financial liberation which is a huge improvement over the man being expected to be provider.
Are you really that gullible? What kind of women could you possibly attract if youre convinced to be an ass hole and bait them with lms?
1 Jcart105 2018-03-16
You do realize that LMS just means Looks, Money, and Status, no?
1 neomancr 2018-03-16
Millenials are the children of the baby boomers who were the ones who started the Civil rights movement. We are where the rubber hits the road which is why the push back is happening now.
Due to the change, both men and women are going through an extended adolescence. We are the generation of the 28 year old teenager. It's no surprise that people are getting married later, and millenials at their oldest are like 30.
The average age millenials according to surveys want to get married at 29.
And beyond that it's not like it's guys who are remaining chaste for longer, women are actually more commonly waiting as they have more pressure now than ever to focus in studies and their careers.
Yes. And tell me what kind of girls are you going to get if you are an asshole and bait women with lms?
1 Jcart105 2018-03-16
People aren't getting married, because it's become a diametrically opposed position for both parties (well, at least seemingly so for women). Men see their fathers and uncles who were treated brutally in divorce court who often lost several significant assets. And to respond to the whole people get what they put into the marriage: no, they do not. A woman can cheat and cuckold her husband to the extreme degree, and a husband can be the most loyal and hardworking provider out there, but the courts will still favor the woman.
This works both ways; there are several studies in which millenials are not having sex, but I'm inclined to believe that women are merely fluffing their numbers about not having sex.
So being good-looking and relatively rich makes you an asshole? Lol.
Which is probably why he found someone better than her and left you with the leftovers.
1 neomancr 2018-03-16
You're just describing your own views. Most couples stay together for life.
Of course you would.
Being encouraged into believing that you should be an asshole and to compete in a pyramid scheme where only lms matters does.
Lol. Cope. She left him. Dude tried to get back in touch with her again about 2 years ago. She told him that he was a dick and needed to work on himself. Then ghosted him. But you immediately went into ideological damage control mode didn't you?
1 Jcart105 2018-03-16
According to what sources?
I'm sure you're all for women getting educated, right? Let's look at a hypothetical logistical hook-up model for college females.
Let's look at a conservative model. Say a girl goes out once a week, but she only decides to hook-up with a single guy for each month. A single academic year is roughly 9 months, so that's 9 guys she's having sex with, at the very least, in a year. This means she's had sex with AT LEAST 30 different men by the time she graduates from college. Keep in mind, this doesn't account for her n-count from high school, summer break hook-ups, spring break hook-ups where her sexual activity and amount of time spent naked will spike, additional years of college needed to finish their degree (most people take more than 4 years) among other factors.
In the general scheme of things, it really is the only thing that does matter. Even blue-pilled women will admit this.
I'd like to hear his side of the story.
0 neomancr 2018-03-16
Every source. Even at its peak which is during the baby boomer spike post women's lib, which is what instigated the manosphere, less than 50 percent of marriages ended in divorce.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/science/millennials-sex.html?referer=https://www.bing.com/search?q=millenials+having.sex.&PC=SMSM&FORM=MBDPSB
http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2017/09/06/men-more-likely-to-marry-up-as-women-become-more-highly-educated.html
Not too shabby.
Let's say the opposite. So what?
And there are guys who will buy poop from a woman online. Even blue pilled men admit this. AMALT amirite? Atomic brown pill.. Get real dude. Anyone can cherry pick from the web.
https://www.scatshop.com/
His side is that he's a fake asshole who struts around and lies about all these celebrities he knows. But he's just a spoiled rotten trust fund kid that has boundary issues. I had to pretend to be his friend at first since she was living with him, then we ended up leaving him and finding a place with me since I was trying to move out to a anyway.
That was 6 years ago.
2 years ago he called her out of the blue aver tracking her down from a mutual friend.
1 Jcart105 2018-03-16
Provides zero sources. Even if it was "only" like 48 percent, that doesn't mean it's within the means of tolerable risk.
My point was that relative to each generation prior; millenials purportedly do have sex far less than previous generations. Now there are various factors for this, the whole false rape hysteria that feminists have been pushing for over a decade and their goal to have the female imperative permeate throughout society and emasculate men are significant factors. However, most women are still having plenty of sex, but they're only having it mostly with top-tier men.
Again, this is similar to what I pointed out to you earlier about how millennials are in fact getting married less because we don't live to infinite years. This is a misrepresentation of statistics. Obviously, if there's been a huge agenda push to hire women and get them educated through means of Affirmative Action and other anti-male institutions, then you're going to start seeing women outperform men on paper. As a result, there will be a marginal percentage of women who have to settle for men who make less than them, and as in turn, this is what bolsters this statistic. So, it's misleading at best.
So you're suggesting that men shouldn't care that their to-be wife has had several dozens of men who ravaged her and performed hard-thrusting penile penetration upon her? Are you and your wife in a cuckolding relationship by any chance?
This isn't cherry-picking. Even women who oppose the red-pill inadvertently and obliviously end up proving its validity.
I have to say, you are a very weird and peculiar person, to be honest. Almost a cross between a tradcon and a modern-day male feminist.
1 neomancr 2018-03-16
Yea that's just not true. The vast majority of men are neither Chad nor incel and they definitely are not rich.
The manosphere is seeing a right of women who are gaining independence and those women are no longer forced to chase lms like they did in the past when a woman's choice in her man determined everything about her life. So how else would they spin it as if this was a bad thing? Of course they're going to have to cherry pick the cases when women choose the "wrong" men.
That's why you have this narrative;
https://imgur.com/5N1Lx2A
https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/84u1hg/betabux_marriage
In that picture I would be the "exotic man". The "man"osphere is an attack on my freedoms and way of life.
For the playing field to level, those who had things rigged in their favor need to lose their unfair advantage. This loss is just the world leveling out. When your leaders see us rise, they are seeing themselves fall but that's just the natural transition. So instead of taking it gracefully, they are trying to convince any man who is struggling into believing that their struggles are the same as theirs.
It went from women being utterly dependent on a man to determine their caste, social circle, and standard of living to a state of affairs where women are more independent than ever. This paired with the same gains that ethnic men are experiencing from the same revolution are threatening your leaders.
That's why the push back is happening now. At a time when things are less rigged than ever those who want things rigged are blowing their dog whistles.
The manosphere and the alt right are two sides of the same coin.
This is the manosphere:
http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/charlottesville-protests-rt-jt-170812_4x3_992.jpg
That's why it's so blatantly racist and even uses broken brain washed ethnic men as minstrels.
You're literally just making up figures. I met my wife when she was 19. She's had fewer partners than I've had. Most girls have had less than 8 partners including ONS before 30. Men on average actually have MORE partners, and much of that has to do with how women tend to choose older men.
The manosphere relies on cherry picking the subset of women who are the most desperate for validation. Those are the ones who chase LMS, are social media obsessed etc. Then it pretends like all women are like that when they clearly aren't.
Obviously the subset of women who are desperate for validation will put themselves out there way more and so the web makes it really easy to have your fill of cherry picked examples.
The manosphere even goes out of its way to set its followers up for failure by encouraging them to be assholes and to bait women with lms.
Be real. What other type of women would you ever get if you were convinced to be an asshole and flaunt lms? And obviously if you're with a woman who is only with you for lms, she's going to cuck you which then creates the feedback loop the manosphere needs to say AWALT.
That's exactly the scam that these ideologies rely on. They create a set of perception filters where it's subjects only see the world in terms of artificial stereotypes and otherwise generalizations that feed the narrative.
1 Jcart105 2018-03-16
This is just so demonstrably fucking false. If what you said were true, then women wouldn't still have a very robust and strong preference for men who make more money than they do when considering them for marriage. Females are four times more sensitive than males to economic status cues when rating opposite sex attractiveness.
So you're black?
You realize MGTOW largely began as a phenomenon within the black community, no?
Women still are dependent on men; there's just a middle-man in the whole equation now -- it's called the government. Women, as a group, at all age groups, do not pay a net positive tax, and they are the primary recipients of welfare assistance.
Okay, sure, the manosphere and the alt-right has some implicit overlap, but that's mostly irrelevant in all fairness.
Okay, so the only ethnic minority that actaully does above-average in the dating market are Latino/Hispanic men. In most other cases, I do think many other ethnic men have a right to be upset, which is what ends up pushing them into various manospherian groups. Why is this? Because statistically, most minority men do perform far below-average in the dating market, but to add salt into the wound -- the women of their same ethnic background prefer to go for white men instead of them (this is essentially the fundamental basis behind groups like /r/hapas).
No, it was a logistical model with conservative estimates. Most women lie about the amount of previous sexual partners they've had -- usually by a factor over 3 (so 8 * 3 + residual, would definitely get them close to the 30-mark I cited in my hypothetical logistical-hook up model under moderately conservative assumptions).
Most of the time, people in the manosphere have tried any and all conventional dating mediums, but have found continued faliure. That's why many men end up going to /r/TRP, and they stay there because it results in improved results. Acting like women are completely unshallow and don't care about LMS is fucking delusional and ignorant.
Most men in marriages get cucked anyways, so I really don't see your point.
1 neomancr 2018-03-16
Our parents were the ones who began the Civil rights Era. Millenials are the children of that generation.
The ones who are experiencing the spike in divorces as a consequence are baby boomers while the rates are dropping.
The scam the manosphere pulls is that the walls fell a generation ago and they pretend the walls were never there to begin with.
You are trying to pretend like a giant reset button was pushed when that obviously isn't how things work. We are where the rubber meets the road which is why the push back is happening now.
If the manosphere was really against gold diggers it clearly wouldn't be trying to attack the very rights that women have to not HAVE to be.
Nope. The manosphere is meant to be the false front of the alt right. It uses ethnic men as a minstrel show to to conceal its true agenda.
You think black men are the ones pushing BBC theory? They're the ones objectivity themselves and dismissing their own value? Gimme a break.
This is your manosphere.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/84u1hg/betabux_marriage
https://imgur.com/5N1Lx2A
Your leaders suckering men who happen to be struggling to believe that their struggles are the same as someone like weinstein to push back against the Civil rights movement.
Your entire narrative confirms it every day
You try to cover it up by claiming that you have ethnic men among you but they're all self hating and play out the stereotype theatre you guys promote.
Yea, and the same propaganda is being used to attack blacks and other ethics. It was the same propaganda even after emancipation where there were a bunch of free blacks that were suddenly homeless. You used that as an excuse to "prove" that blacks were better off slaves because they were "happier" before emancipation.
Your very own are beginning to see through your bullshit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/857sju/z/dvvcl3v
Yea of course everything is a lie except what you imagine which conveniently supports your narrative.
It's because of the precursor of the manosphere PUA which was a group of charlatans who sought to sell relationships snake oil to guys who were struggling. This then created a trap that prevented them from ever developing.
We live in a hyper media saturated society where men are being misled for profit. The entire manosphere only thrives in the struggles of men, and it's entire agenda is counter productive to all but a single subset E. G. Those who had the game rigged in their favor prior to the boomer generation.
Nope, the spike happened to the baby boomers which is who started this bogus movement. And we're supposes to believe that their struggles are the same as ours.
Why do you think dog whistles like beta bux and divorce rape are constantly sounded off? News flash buddy, the vast majority of normies men are neither Chad, incel, NOR wealthy.
There is no way in hell anyone would ever beta bux the majority of us when we can barely afford to treat ourselves.
1 Jcart105 2018-03-16
The manosphere isn't against gold diggers. Most of the manosphere just accepts the fact that 'gold-digging' is inherent to female nature.
Yes, the millenials accomplished so much equality. That's why the average outcome for divorce is still downright terrible for most men, and most men are almost guaranteed to lose active contact with their children. That's why employers now have to positively discriminate against men to enforce "equality".
And your point? Most men will take whatever they can get and are desperate betas who pander towards all of women's "precious" needs.
And this image you keep fighting. I thought you wanted women to take accountability for themselves, but when a man suggests that they should, you start to lose your shit. How conveniently hypocritical.
I don't get why you keep citing these. So what if the guy the wife cheated with is black? It's such an irrelevant, minute detail in the whole theme and purpose of the meme.
It's all just a "social construct".
Most women do not include ONS's in their n-count. That's why a general rule of thumb was derived that you must multiply a woman's reported previous amount of premaritial partners by 3 to get a more accurate estimate. In today's world where cuckoldry , hook-up culture, and open relationships run rampant, it's completely realistic for women to average well above 20 sex partners by the time they graduate college.
I have nothing to say to this. If something works, people are going to continue repeating said process until it doesn't reap the results they want.
Which is why women aren't getting married, which goes back to one of my primary original points...
This just isn't true though. Women look to men for a primary reserve of resources, not as a sort of catalyst to have a synergistic form of financial freedom. Not to mention you conveniently ignore how costs of 2 people != the cost of a single person. You also conveniently ignore how women account for 80 percent of consumption.
I already explained why this isn't really meaningful or significant . What is far more telling is the amount of women who are abstaining from marriage, because they cannot find a good enough provider that they deem fit enough to settle down with.
1 neomancr 2018-03-16
Hahaha okay buddy. Just like how you're not all racist you're just "realistic".
Yea and that's where the scam has you. How many millenials do you really think are getting divorced? We're all max like 30. You're being fooled into believing that the struggles of the baby boomers on the other side of the Civil rights movement are your struggles. The divorce rage spiked for THEIR generation in response to the civil-rights movement which is also why they are so mad that so many women are beginning to choose ethnic men for the first time in modern history because it suddenly became no longer illegal when they were in their 20s and 30s.
The vast majority of us gained from the Civil rights, only a tiny subset of men lost their unfair advantage and that's the perspective the manosphere speaks from.
I would be the guy in the last panel, and the exotic cock. The word cuck that the manosphere/alt right are obsessed with is an expression of their hatred of every other type of men.
Lol that wasn't a true story. These are themes that you guys keep deliberately promoting just like the "exotic cock" thing.
The reason why BBC theory and all the propaganda about the ex cucking the white man for an exotic fling is telling the story from a certain perspective.
What's that supposed to show? That you guys continue to push your bullshit fully aware that you're just trying to get us to chase echoes back into the cave?
You know damn when that when people are asked about different groups they are really being asked what they think of the stereotypes you people created.
That has no bearing on reality at all. You're relying on a huge population of subjects that have never even crossed paths with the men they're rating but only have the stereotype to refer to.
Those tests have always been conducted for the last 100 years to see how well the stereotypes have saturated public opinion.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/7wldi9/in_case_you_didnt_know_that_chad_is_artificial
I'm sure you're gonna wanna spin it as if the impression people have is just natural right?
That's imaginary. People have always been people. The only difference now is that women have financially independence and can choose less wealthy men. And also they can choose ethnic men.
It "works" in that if you are convinced to be an asshole and keep trying to appeal to women with lms you will keep getting the same gold digger floozies over and over again. How else would it possibly work? Then you'll get cucked and come back to say AWALT.
Women aren't getting married? We don't even have stats for our generation yet. And things like gay marriage have brought the fact that marriage laws are corrupt and horrible. Millenials in general are the generation of the 28 year old teenager. We are the first generation born from the folks who began the Civil rights Era. Women are focusing on careers now which means less women trying to get hitched right after high school which is a good thing.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/science/millennials-sex.html?referer=https://www.bing.com/search?q=millenials+having.sex.&PC=SMSM&FORM=MBDPSB
http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2017/09/06/men-more-likely-to-marry-up-as-women-become-more-highly-educated.html
Not too shabby.
We went from a time when women had no choice but to be gold diggers and be fully reliant in their men. Now we have low to middle income men and women partnering and making as much as a rich guy and a gold digger does. That's upsetting the apple cart.
There's no way in hell I could live as I do as a single guy on SF.
Hahaha you are still trying to pull that. You were complaining a generation ago when they had no choice but to find providers.
1 Jcart105 2018-03-16
It's all based on a normal distribution of response data for varying ethnicities/races. You can do everything you want to try to rationalize it the way you want to, but it is what it is.
So you're not denying that women sleep around now? At least we can agree on something.
You can't get cucked if you don't participate in relationships (only do ONS and FWBs).
"We don't even have stats for our generation yet." LMFAO...
Then don't live in SF? It's a shitlib city that's overpopulated and overpriced. Unless you're a top softdev working in Silicon Valley, I don't know why you would feel like you're restricted to that area.
I criticize tradcons all of the time. I think they're delusional, and they do not understand the true nature of women.
1 neomancr 2018-03-16
Cut the crap. You know for the last 100 years even beyond the multitude of laws, commercial codes and propaganda against ethnic men didn't exist just for the lulz. Your parents were the ones who finally struck down segregation.
Why don't we refer to the two sides of racism again:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/03/06/04/49E6C0E700000578-0-image-a-29_1520308976599.jpg
Vs
https://imgur.com/qAIUJOv
A woman named Harriet Beecher Stowe wrote uncle Tom's cabin to create a heroic figure called uncle Tom.
For a while the term meant a defiant hero among slaves.
The minstrel shows got to it though and turned the character from this
To this
And then finally to this
The story was revised into what we think now where uncle Tom was a an old asexual subservient house slave who betrayed his own.
They did the same thing to Sessue and morphed the Asian male stereotype to the old cel fu Manchu which is still being depicted.
The Asian stereotype was based on the book meat VS rice which was written to counter act the fact that women were not racist enough.
We're their children and there are still plenty of boomers on the opposite side and yet the difference now in terms of the average rating is a difference of around 15 percent.
The tides much more rapidly than you are comfortable with yet you are pretending as if it should be instantaneous. And you are pretending like the residule impact is just how ugly black people are naturally. Give me a break.
Some do and men do as well. I'm fact again, due to women choosing to focus on careers for the first time in modern history not just here in fact but in other counties like Japan too, women are remaining chaste for longer and delaying marriage.
It's obvious that there are fewer women in a rush to get married because they don't have to rush. That's a good thing. That also frees them to choose men based on standards beyond LMS.
You keep forgetting that during our parents generation and prior a woman's choice in her man determined her entire life.
The only people who are fearing cuckdom are men among the manosphere. I've never met a single man who even used the word cuck. If I was convinced to be an asshole and my women were only with me for LMS of course I'd be terrified of being cucked and I would be. That's a ridiculous game they're choosing to play that amounts it a pyramid scheme.
Millenials are sub 30 right now. The average age millenials want to get married is 29. And despite our tiny foot print the divorce rates are dropping. They only spiked right after the Civil rights movement began and the spike happens to the boomers who started the manosphere.
You watch too much TV. For as much as you think that everyone is a feminazi SJW, my entire social circle is the art, lit, and music community, folks who everyone would presume are leftists. I know about 3 of them and I don't really even interact with them. Theyre extremists and stick to their own.
TV represents SF much different than it really is.
And what is the true nature of women?
Here's the true nature of men:
https://imgur.com/qAIUJOv
Right?
1 Jcart105 2018-03-16
I really am not interested in your whole race-baiting, civil-rights-movement propaganda, so I'm just going to respectfully ignore it.
Women, especially when settling down for marriage, are going to select upon LMS. East Asia should not be used as a comparison to Western nations since East Asia is far more sexually conservative (with, ironically, Japan being the most sexually liberal).
You keep bringing up that women DO NOT assess men based on LMS. What exactly do you think they assess a man's value on then?
Study: Females are four times more sensitive than males to economic status cues when rating opposite sex attractiveness, indicating that higher economic status can offset lower physical attractiveness in men much more easily than in women.
Biggest Factor in Determining Divorce Is A Man's Employment Status
That's because the average man is a blue-pilled ignoramus who thinks women are perfect and loyal angels. Over 50 percent of wives cheat on their husbands, so not fearing 'cuckdom' while pursuing relationships, especially marriage, is fucking ignorant and lackadaisical.
You still don't seem to understand that while the marginal divorce rate declines; the marginal marriage rate declines as well. That's why your statistic is misleading. Nevertheless, to claim that you cannot form any conclusions based on the current statistics of said sub-population is just blatantly misleading and false.
1 neomancr 2018-03-16
Get real. Again the very shift that is being attack is the shift from women being solely dependent on her choice in men to determine everything about her life.
You can't have it both ways. We came from a time as recently as when our parents the boomers were of dating age that women chose men SOLELY BASED ON LMS because the man's lms determined EVERYTHING about their lives.
Both men and women are going through an extended adolescence specifically because the tides are turning and women are beginning to focus on their careers.
In the past the reason why women married much older men was for the same reason. Men had to delay their lives to get set up before they would have the ability to settle and marry a house wife.
The tendency of women to marry older men is still there even though it's only a relic as we transition into the type of Equality that your leaders are trying to get you to oppose.
You pulled that stat out of your ass. Men cheat more than women and the number is closer to around 19 percent for women and 23 percent for men. And the numbers are going to be closely tied with men leading because revenge cheating is basically a tradition.
How old are you? I'm 28. My generation hasn't lived long enough to actually even determine what our divorce rates are. They are on the decline however because of the intermediary Gen Xers. The spike in divorces hit the headlines only recently due to women's lib and the primary generation that it hit was the boomers.
1 Jcart105 2018-03-16
Lmfao, I am done with this bullshit. I can show you every study demonstrating hypergamy as inherent behavior to female humans, but you'll just keep saying, "Oh, we don't have enough feminism yet, that's why women still care about how much money a man makes."
Seriously, if you want to be that ignorant, you're on your own. Most women will even admit (admittedly, in a euphemistic fashion) that they are seeking men in higher socioeconomic statuses than average when seeking a man to marry.
1 neomancr 2018-03-16
Dude you know you're full of shit. How the hell else would it work after about a hundred years of modern history?
And why do you think you are accusing all of us normies of being beta bux then? If that's so normal? Newsflash buddy. It's less common than it's ever been.
Facts are facts we came from a time during our parents generation when women had to all be gold diggers and we are now in a time when it's becoming less and less true.
You keep their to pretend like transitions should happen over night. I don't know if you ate trying to be deceptive or you've just been suckered in by your own ideology.
Why pray tell are you people complainjng about women being gold diggers now? And why is the same group against women's lib which only exists as an expression of women no longer wanting to HAVE to rely on men.
Your ideology defeats itself
1 Uselesshoe 2018-03-16
But...I thought you guys were all virgins...? How can you even grasp the concept of marriage and its progress over the decades?
1 DrFeel_MD_PHD_NOGF 2018-03-16
How can you research a social institution if you've never pushed your penis inside a vagina?? Checkmate incels
1 Uselesshoe 2018-03-16
Meh, my parents got divorced because they weren’t happy together; Same thing for most of my friends’ parents. Both sides move on with their lives, I’m just saying you shouldn’t restrain yourselves to the small-minded representation of this post.
Furthermore, you influence situations around you based on how you believe its gonna turn out; If you get into a marriage with this twisted conception of what it is, then it’s probably gonna head that way.
1 DrFeel_MD_PHD_NOGF 2018-03-16
Yeah. I don't agree with this pic, it's just sour grapes.
1 methaferus 2018-03-16
If you get married its going to happen if youre married long enough regardless of "how good of a husband you are" shes going to get tired of you eventually
1 trevmon 2018-03-16
your mom wanted chad
1 Nalgene911 2018-03-16
Your parents got divorced because they wanted to have sex with different people, and they figured that desire outweighed providing you with a normal living environment where you could have a happy family like everyone else. You can add circumstances to this to make it more palatable for yourself, but this is what everyone thinks about divorced people behind their backs.
1 Sniveling_Cur 2018-03-16
You mean like you are restraining yourself to the small-minded representation that was your parents' marriage?
1 incelwriter 2018-03-16
your mom wanted chad it seems
1 PvtJamesRyan 2018-03-16
“My parents got divorced”
Correction: 99% certain it wasn’t you parents, but your mom, who divorced your dad.
1 kalliroi 2018-03-16
Why does only the second guy have a face just to show he’s black? Why are you all so bitter about black men?
1 qwertx0815 2018-03-16
Somebody did a trawl on /r/incles once before it got banned, and it turned out that most subscribers were also active on the_donald (biggest overlap with any sub, can't say I'm suprised) and a bunch of white nationalism propaganda subs.
Apparently incels are just much more likely to be racists. (I'm sure it has nothing to do with them being incels /s)
1 IphisTelethousas 2018-03-16
no
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1 qwertx0815 2018-03-16
Breakdown I saw was shortly before they got banned.
The sub had a bit more than 83 users then ;)
1 half_acre_lot 2018-03-16
Pretty sure r/inceltears and r/cuckolding have the biggest overlap bud
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1 awe300 2018-03-16
You must be joking. There's a few studies that actually prove that the cuckolding fetish is very prevalent in "white nationalist" circles.
And if you don't believe it, just take a look at 4chan 🐝, there's a cuckold thread about once ever hour
1 Carkudo 2018-03-16
Source?
1 sc2isadeadgame 2018-03-16
those are spammers, we used to get them here too until we banned racebait
1 trevmon 2018-03-16
why does the spam work.
1 sc2isadeadgame 2018-03-16
you don't need an account to post on 4chan and the mods on 4chan are lazy as shit
1 qwertx0815 2018-03-16
The biggest useroverlap with incels is between two other subs?
somebody failed his statistics class hard.
1 half_acre_lot 2018-03-16
Low IQ post
1 qwertx0815 2018-03-16
"Dude, you fail at basic statistics"
"Hur, you're dumb!1!"
Ok kiddo ;)
1 sc2isadeadgame 2018-03-16
low quality racebait
1 qwertx0815 2018-03-16
Lol
1 Carkudo 2018-03-16
Given how modern culture associates black men with hypermasculinity, I think it's an understandable misconception, if still a misconception.
1 sc2isadeadgame 2018-03-16
it's clearly showing that he's CHAD, blackness is irrelevant
if you really want to you could shop dolph lundgren or whatever
1 The_Real_Cannaman 2018-03-16
Blacks cant be chads only tyrones
1 sc2isadeadgame 2018-03-16
tyrone is just a word that means "black chad"
1 trevmon 2018-03-16
why did you focus on that. ignore his race. racist
1 incelliarmus 2018-03-16
I like how you focus on addressing an issue that isn't there (supposed racism when the black guy is the one who is attractive and sought after) instead of addressing the main point. You make this bullshit racism allegation because of the fact you know how true the post is but don't want to admit it and argue anyway
1 r4risbullshit 2018-03-16
Welcome to IT logic.
1 kalliroi 2018-03-16
News flash, you can focus on lots of things and comment on them if you want to, not just the main idea. The main idea is stupid anyway, if you think this post is “true” you are an idiot, because you are implying that every single woman on the planet does exactly this and treats men like shit.
1 GeneticCleansing 2018-03-16
Why does it trigger u that it’s a black man? Would u get that upset if it was a white guy?
“Bro why are u so bitter about white guys why did u make him white bro”
Fuck off with the fake social justice fam
1 WedGroenendael 2018-03-16
Imagine waking up every day and having to be you
1 ExtraSpecial123 2018-03-16
It's usually those kind of guys who do this type of stuff. Successful and educated men don't have time or the inclination to be chasing around married house wives on Facebook while they are at work.
1 The_Real_Cannaman 2018-03-16
Bbc is 4real
1 Jcart105 2018-03-16
Would it really have made a difference if it wasn't a black guy?
1 armenianbirdcel 2018-03-16
because BBC thoery
1 sc2isadeadgame 2018-03-16
clearly it's because the husband is a manlet
1 The_Real_Cannaman 2018-03-16
He can be 7' but if hes not attractive this happens if shes a bitch
1 sc2isadeadgame 2018-03-16
lol if he was 7' and didn't smell of rotten meat he'd pull more than midget chad
1 GC0W30 2018-03-16
He can be hot and 7' and if he acts like a bitch, she will still lose attraction.
At that point she'll divorce him if she's a good woman and cheat if she's a bad one.
1 Uselesshoe 2018-03-16
Alright then, you win. Whatever fucking marriage it is, she IS going to leave you.
So, why the fuck do you want to marry in the first place if you already know it’s gonna end that way?huh? I honestly wanna know. I don’t get myself in relationships that I know won’t work, so tell me why you do.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-03-16
Idk where you got the idea that we want to marry. Marriage is a feminist institution, it only serves women. Marriage in its current state (arbitrary rules enforced by the state against men) should be abolished. It’s a scam directed at men.
1 not-a-drug-dealer420 2018-03-16
you’re a misogynist prick and you have no proof to back up that it is any arbitrary rules enforced by the state against men. It should not be abolished. I am a man and I am happily married, I don’t think it’s a scam at all, maybe you just need to not be so disrespectful towards women and then you could get one
1 Hopecel 2018-03-16
What are the benefits of owning a piece of paper that says you are married? None. Marriage used to be beneficial for women because they had less rights.
1 not-a-drug-dealer420 2018-03-16
if my wife is in the hospital, I can visit her in situations only family can. She is legally part of my family now. She can be on the same insurance plans as me. There’s countless benefits to being legally married
1 Hopecel 2018-03-16
You could also sign a document for these kinds of situations and you wouldn't need to get married.
You save a few dollars a year. Gratz.
1 waterynike 2018-03-16
Bitter much?
1 not-a-drug-dealer420 2018-03-16
okay? You asked for benefits and I gave you benefits. I am happily married, and I am glad I got married. Maybe someday you can find one too, but you’d have to start by not being so spiteful towards anything involving a relationship. It isn’t anyone’s fault but your own that you are alone, and you are the way you are because of decisions you have made.
1 Hopecel 2018-03-16
The second part is true but the first one not so much. It’s not my fault that women reject me for things that are out of my control like ethnicity, height and face.
1 not-a-drug-dealer420 2018-03-16
Yes, but you’re gonna run into that and you have to just accept and move on. Rejection happens, sometimes more for some people but maybe you just need to go after lower quality women
1 ErrejotaRJ 2018-03-16
I married 3 years ago after 7 years together having met at 19. For some people it can change a relationship for the better and in our case made us genuinely happier.
I think the idea of marriage being historically beneficial to women is a little flawed. In some ways it served to provide security when they were prevented from earning as much money as men and had less control over conception. However marital rape wasn’t considered rape, husbands were legally allowed to beat their wives (within ‘reason’) and up until the turn of the century custody of children was automatically the preserve of the husband after divorce. There are societies today that still practise these customs and in no way do I believe that is beneficial for women.
Just to caveat with reference to the above picture, I do not think custody should ever be automatic and I think fathers often get a very raw deal. Nor do I think divorce settlements are often fair but one would hope that all factors should be considered when assets are divided.
1 wanderinwater 2018-03-16
Marriage is a feminist institution? Pretty sure history begs to differ.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-03-16
When was state-sponsored marriage established? In my country it was the 1890s. Before it there was only religious marriage, which was entirely different.
1 wanderinwater 2018-03-16
If you are defining the institution of marriage by year it was established as a state-sponsored institution in 1890, then how does that show that it is a feminist institution if feminism had no significant influence at that time.
And it's not like cultural beliefs from the religious institution of marriage didn't cross over into the state-sponsored institution .
1 Idk12344482305 2018-03-16
oh Lord, please
feminism was just a continuation of the NWO plot, beginning from the creation of the nation states, through communism and then modern liberalism.
1 bigantennaemay1 2018-03-16
You can have a committed relationship without having a marriage. Or so I've been told.
1 currynator3000 2018-03-16
Cucked by Tyrone
1 UnikueUser 2018-03-16
Everyone in this story is black, though.
1 currynator3000 2018-03-16
What? Blackcels can still get cucked by Tyrone. Are you retarded?
1 UnikueUser 2018-03-16
Just don't really understand the lingo
1 The_Real_Cannaman 2018-03-16
Why did i laugh at this? Its fuckin horrible!
1 bigantennaemay1 2018-03-16
Because truth is comedy. That's why authoritarians always attack free speech first; humor is the first casualty.
1 TheVertex_ 2018-03-16
You laughed at this because laughing at male suffering is encouraged by society.
The trauma this man will suffer as a result of the massive injustice he went through is at least as bad as the trauma the typical rape victim goes through. He lost everything. And yet we're allowed to laugh and joke at the former, but we're not allowed to laugh and joke at the latter.
1 insultin_crayon 2018-03-16
Your lives as a whole are not harder than women’s lives. Males and females face different struggles. No one gender has it worse than the other.
1 TheVertex_ 2018-03-16
At every level, women have more privileges than men have. There are no homeless women. No women dying in wars. Society is massively sympathetic to female suffering.
1 insultin_crayon 2018-03-16
At a few levels women have more privileges than men. As a whole women tend to be less privileged in terms of education, employment, social status, and even home status.
1 TheVertex_ 2018-03-16
Women are more educated than men nowadays. And employment isn't a privilege if you have to work gruelling jobs. Women get easy money from the state as well as beta-providers.
1 insultin_crayon 2018-03-16
Interesting since women as a whole have higher rates of illiteracy and poor education than men.
1 TheVertex_ 2018-03-16
In the Middle East? Sure. Not in the West.
1 BurnAllSluts 2018-03-16
Yes, it’s also interesting that men make up 80% of all suicides, yet you’ll still claim that women have it harder.
Just fucking lol.
1 insultin_crayon 2018-03-16
Men don’t handle stress as well as women
1 BF8211 2018-03-16
According to this there are going to be over a million more women entering college for the fall 2018 semester than men.
1 insultin_crayon 2018-03-16
It looks like your source is only related to the US. The discussion is worldly, so your source doesn’t work here.
1 BF8211 2018-03-16
This discussion isn't "worldly," we're talking about the west in literally every post.
1 insultin_crayon 2018-03-16
You changed my discussion to the west. I’m talking about the world here. You want to use only the west as as a discussion point because you know as well as I do that women are far more underprivileged on this earth as a whole. Why are you making it into a competition anyway? Do you get some sort of pride from pretending to be a victim? The men on this sub just want to be victims when there are real victims of oppression out there (no one on this sub) who would love to not be living their current set of circumstances.
1 BF8211 2018-03-16
I'm talking about the west because the places you're talking about (Saudi Arabia, Sudan, India, etc) have other problems that lead to women having less rights, mainly because they are under developed and religious as fuck.
I'm not making it into a competition, you said "women are less privileged than men when it comes to education" and I provided information that shows otherwise.
No?
Why are you making it into a competition?
1 not_good_looking 2018-03-16
Why are you changing the goal posts? It was clear even to me that everyone was talking about the west here. After all, the comic is based on the west. What has Saudi Arabia gotta do with the west?
1 waterynike 2018-03-16
And you are wrong about both counts.
1 insultin_crayon 2018-03-16
Women die in wars as soldiers and as civilian casualties. There are also numerous homeless women. Do you live on some planet where these things don’t exist and all males are victims?
1 BurnAllSluts 2018-03-16
Realsexism.com
No ones saying that certain women don’t have shit lives, but the average woman in western society is much more privileged and much better off than the average man. Everyone can see it which is why feminism is seen as a fucking joke.
1 insultin_crayon 2018-03-16
Provide me with a real (not a .com site) source providing statistics and the conclusion that men have it worse. You are drawing from your own experiences and you do not equal all men.
1 Fudde 2018-03-16
You're partly right; women get a boost to their victimization called perceived suffering, which effects how much the rest of society is willing to acknowledge your suffering. Since truth is mostly a subjective concept, with perceived suffering, the value of your actual suffering gets boosted to a level that surpasses men's actual suffering value, which receives no extra boost.
1 UnikueUser 2018-03-16
This is not only false, but the exact opposite of the truth. Women with pain are less likely to be given pain meds and are perceived to be in less pain than their male counterparts study
1 Fudde 2018-03-16
There's no fucking way women get less less medical treatment than men in modern society. You've linked me to a shit study.
1 UnikueUser 2018-03-16
I don't think anyone claimed they get less medical treatment. I wouldn't know about that either way. But women are less likely to have their pain treated or taken seriously. The same is true for minorities. The study is from Harvard, but if you think it's "shit," it's a pretty well-known phenomenon in the medical field, so you won't have trouble finding studies from different sources.
1 Fudde 2018-03-16
Lol the "women and miniorities have it soooobad" argument from you normies. What happened to "stop blaming the world for your problems"?
1 UnikueUser 2018-03-16
I never said those words...
1 Fudde 2018-03-16
1 UnikueUser 2018-03-16
Yes, those are the words I said.
1 Fudde 2018-03-16
Do you have short term memory problem or something?
1 UnikueUser 2018-03-16
What gives you that impression?
1 Fudde 2018-03-16
You forgot shit that you just said?
1 UnikueUser 2018-03-16
We both know I didn't. Did you have a point you wanted to make?
1 Fudde 2018-03-16
uhhhh, you most certainly did. If you just want to get the last word in, that's fine, but don't you think your free time could be spent doing something worthwhile?
1 UnikueUser 2018-03-16
Nah. You?
1 Fudde 2018-03-16
well that's sad.
1 insultin_crayon 2018-03-16
Incels have no capability of rationality. We’re wasting our time.
1 UnikueUser 2018-03-16
I have the vain hope that I can at least bring a kernel of truth for the tourists of the site, but you have a point :)
1 armenianbirdcel 2018-03-16
in the West men objectively have it much harder
1 The_Real_Cannaman 2018-03-16
In 21st century indeed
1 insultin_crayon 2018-03-16
*subjectively.
1 prophetpepe 2018-03-16
where do I even begin....
1 Im_already_dead_man 2018-03-16
It's over for blackcels, Tyrone always wins.
1 afrodivine 2018-03-16
incels are discusting oml
1 BF8211 2018-03-16
Because it was a black guy?
1 afrodivine 2018-03-16
They're just discusting in general
1 prophetpepe 2018-03-16
we know
1 dgallina03 2018-03-16
repost
1 vvvvvvvvvvv11 2018-03-16
Most things here are reposts.
1 prophetpepe 2018-03-16
age old truth more like
1 incelwriter 2018-03-16
you miss the part at the end where the guy blows his brains out with a shotgun
1 Sheeboid 2018-03-16
Coffee cucked
1 IncelSlayerZero 2018-03-16
This is why I became a degenerate, you just can't trust a womyn to keep it 100
1 asdasda5453 2018-03-16
shut up degenerate
1 IncelSlayerZero 2018-03-16
Whatever lol you're setting yourself up for that stick figure life whilst I'm a smooth Tyrone who fucks your wife LOL.
1 Surt_Heiniger 2018-03-16
Wow that's a masterpiece! One question though, the stick figures are all jet black so i assume they represent black people in real life? So why did you go through all the trouble to depict the guy who fucks the woman as a black guy as well? Seems a bit redundant to me...
I mean don't get me wrong, it was superbly done, I can only start to imagine the effort that must have gone into editing that face in so artfully!
Anyway, I will fully admit now, you incel guys really are one step ahead! staying virgins and all, never entering any form of relationship, you've been playing the long game all the time, eh?
Btw, does this also work in reverse? Cause my girlfriend currently earns about three times as much as I do and I'm the one who wants kids, so...you know. Just asking for science
1 asdasda5453 2018-03-16
this post screams soylent
1 Surt_Heiniger 2018-03-16
what the fuck is soylent?
1 asdasda5453 2018-03-16
google
1 ragnaROCKER 2018-03-16
to be fair, that reference is a couple layers deep. a goggle might not tell him anything but the product exists.
1 prophetpepe 2018-03-16
what you have for your meal every day.
1 ThisIsAdolfHitler 2018-03-16
Your girlfriend is cheating on you.
1 Surt_Heiniger 2018-03-16
Meh, then I have a free pass at fucking one of the co-workers who've been hitting on me for half a year.
Why are you guys so incompetent at getting under people's skins? One would assume after a lifetime of being bullied you'd know a thing or two about playing mindgames, but no.
1 squirdoxin 2018-03-16
Assuming your co worker would fuck someone who makes one third the money of their girlfriend
1 Surt_Heiniger 2018-03-16
Well, according to the black pill that's really a non-issue, since my looks are all that's needed to get into their pants.
Or maybe it's my rouguish charm.
Or maybe my girlfriend isn't actually cheating on me at all, because we are in a loving, emotionally fulfilling relationship and have great sex about three times a week?
Whichever sounds most reasonable to you
1 ChancePalpitation 2018-03-16
sooo triggered lmaooo
1 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-03-16
teeheehee when Chad calls me a dirty whore it's special teehee
1 sharkb8master 2018-03-16
Don't justify cheating.
1 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-03-16
If you think sex is absolutely divorced from reality you are an idiot. Females love being objects and they do not deserve respect or treated as a non-object for that.
Yeah dude we have no standards and then you will probably say somewhere else we only go for 10/10s. As ugly males we don't do anything right.
1 Hopecel 2018-03-16
What are the benefits of owning a piece of paper that says you are married? None. Marriage used to be beneficial for women because they had less rights.
1 r4risbullshit 2018-03-16
In a funny way, this post is unironically race-baiting the more naive normans.
1 afrodivine 2018-03-16
They're just discusting in general
0 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-03-16
The fact is that it is a massive success. If only very few females liked that it would be a flop.
1 neomancr 2018-03-16
Get real. Again the very shift that is being attack is the shift from women being solely dependent on her choice in men to determine everything about her life.
You can't have it both ways. We came from a time as recently as when our parents the boomers were of dating age that women chose men SOLELY BASED ON LMS because the man's lms determined EVERYTHING about their lives.
Both men and women are going through an extended adolescence specifically because the tides are turning and women are beginning to focus on their careers.
In the past the reason why women married much older men was for the same reason. Men had to delay their lives to get set up before they would have the ability to settle and marry a house wife.
The tendency of women to marry older men is still there even though it's only a relic as we transition into the type of Equality that your leaders are trying to get you to oppose.
You pulled that stat out of your ass. Men cheat more than women and the number is closer to around 19 percent for women and 23 percent for men. And the numbers are going to be closely tied with men leading because revenge cheating is basically a tradition.
How old are you? I'm 28. My generation hasn't lived long enough to actually even determine what our divorce rates are. They are on the decline however because of the intermediary Gen Xers. The spike in divorces hit the headlines only recently due to women's lib and the primary generation that it hit was the boomers.