If you dont have sex in your twenties you never will

Facts.

This is when your testosterone is the highest

viagracel here

Teens* its ogre if you have to wait until 20 to have sex

I lost it at 21 and 8 months. First date. First kiss first fuck all at once.

And ur incel shocker

its over

Yes

Incels were sexually decommissioned at puberty

Or just do what I did in my 20's and date older women. A lot of them just want sex and companionship, nothing wrong with that.

How old were the ones you were dating and where did you meet them?

The first one was 29 and worked in the call center with me during the day. She was a divorced mom and guys wouldn't date her because of this. Community College night classes (35f), lots of really nice adults in night classes. Bookstore, Jazz festival , and Shakespeare festival. These were between 30-40 years old. Sounds kind of nerdy but that's me. One was a lawyer. If you go to more cultural places you meet different types of women that are much nicer than average.

Why should I wait ten extra years to experience something that fucking 14 year olds get to experience? Explain that to me and maybe I'll believe you.

Dude, what answer do you want? Do you want all of society, all women, to say "oh wow you're right, we're not attracted to you at all but we're going to flip a switch and want you now, because you've convinced us with your logic"?

 

Just, what is your point? That life in unfair? Yup, it is.

Yeah silly incel,take the shit hand you've been given and don't even think about complaining about it just ldar in silence you little manlet.

no that's not what I mean. If the point of this post is just to complain out loud to people you relate with, that's cool. It' just sounded to me like he wanted a real answer. The "why should I" part, etc.

That’s what this whole fucking sub is for you retarded fucking dumbass fuckhead. We know we’ve been fucked by life and were dealt a shit deck. And then you have retards like you coming in here telling us to kill ourselves and telling us it’s our fault. Do you think we choose to live like this and be a part of this subculture? Fucking LMFAO. How fucking retarded do you have to be to think that being incel would be a choice???

retards like you coming in here telling us to kill ourselves and telling us it’s our fault.

I literally have never and will never say that shit. You sound like a very, very angry person. I hope you find peace, brother.

and good luck to you my good sir. have a good day man. thanks bro. have a good night man.

Just, what is your point? That life in unfair? Yup, it is.

At least you're honest, it's better than spewing bullshit about muh personality and being yourself.

You're so right. That's why I wish people would stop fucking lying and thinking they know how to fix my problem.

Women should have sex with dudes they aren't attracted to, attraction is bullshit that ruins life for average and below average dudes, I don't give a shit if a girl is attracted to me if she would act like she was.

that's a really odd point of view. Why should they? Should you have sex with someone who you find gross to look at?

I'm desperate enough to...

Right but that means you want to. Why do you think anyone should do something they don't want to do? Should this be enforced by law, or you're saying women should just do it on their own? And they're what? Bad people if they don't?

I think it should be enforced by law for the sake of mens rights, at the moment the average man has next to no value on the sexual marketplace(ranked lower than budget sex toys) while even a landwhale has incredibly inflated sexual value, I think that it should be leveled off a bit by giving men more advantages and making women dependant on them if not legally assigned to them.

That's pretty fucked up and dystopian man. Most people don't want to live in a world where anyone is forced to do shit they don't want to do, thankfully.

Most people also don't want to live in a world where many men are driven to violence due to lack of intimacy, but we are living that world anyway, most men are forced to settle with a girl they aren't attracted to at best, other wise they end up as incels.

Most people also don't want to live in a world where many men are driven to violence due to lack of intimacy

Driven to violence.... you almost sound like you want a pass for having no self control.

but we are living that world anyway, most men are forced to settle with a girl they aren't attracted to at best, other wise they end up as incels.

Yea, I’m sure the 95%+ people in the world who are married at some point in their lives consist of mostly men who settle for someone they find unattractive. Seems legit.

Driven to violence.... you almost sound like you want a pass for having no self control.

i have plenty of self control.

Yea, I’m sure the 95%+ people in the world who are married at some point in their lives consist of mostly men who settle for someone they find unattractive. Seems legit.

Don't use global statistics,w hen you do that throws off the numbers due to countries with arranged marriages, in first world countries these days guys are having to go after women they find less and less attractive.

Don't use global statistics,w hen you do that throws off the numbers due to countries with arranged marriages, in first world countries these days guys are having to go after women they find less and less attractive.

Ok, so 90%..... you’re saying a majority of those (which are more women than men by 5%) are somehow men settling for women they don’t find attractive? Again, seems legit...

The only way a man can get a woman who is even close to his looks match is with money. those statistics you're using are also including people who got together back when you could get a girl just by having an average paying job.

I mean, most of the people I associate with are married to people of similar levels of attractiveness, accounting for personal preference.

This whole meme of “dudes can’t get a looksmatch” pretty much flies in the face of just walking down the street and seeing couples.

Or when you see a guy and a girl together she could just be using him for money and they are just friends...

Or, since I know plenty of couples that are similar levels of attractiveness, as I said, and they make similar salaries... that’s not true. I also doubt they’re just friends since they’re married and several have kids.

Well put mate.

I won't say that you should, or even want to, be alone until you're achieved "ideal piggy bank" status. But that said, 20 is still too young to think that it's over. Myself, and a number of friends, were virgins until our early-to-mid 20s. Everything worked out fine after that for most of us. You'd be doing yourself a huge favor if you could just be normal upset over being alone, as opposed to the incel flavor of upset, until you're at least 25.

Normans out.

What does "normal upset" mean? Incels are the product of years and years worth of loneliness.

I was a virgin until 23. I am 5'8" and average-looking. I barely had any positive interactions with women between 16 and 22. I dropped out of college at 20, and was probably depressed from 19 to 22. With all that, I never felt like I needed to obsess over Chad, canthal tilt, whether or not a woman would "cuck me" if I did find one, etc.

So basically you were/are an incel and choose to deny it because it helps you sleep at night?

No. I legitimately try to help, because if I LDAR'd back then, my life would suck today. So instead, I try to get guys who think it's over at 17-22 to at least wait a few years. If I wanted to troll you, I'd be telling you to give up earlier.

None of us are truly LDARing. Even Eggman has had girlfriends and a social life.

And also just lol at accepting being cucked by society from 0-23 and not having any anger for it.... hurr durr yeah all through college I got to sit back and be Becky’s friend while she got railed every weekend but it wasn’t till I got a graduated, and got a job to pay for a girl’s dinner that I got a girlfriend and was able to, aw yeah, lose my v card!!!!

You are definitely still incel as well, but just lying to yourself. It’s okay. One day you will internalize it and realize there is truth in these posts and in these ideas, and that all the time you wasted trying to “convince us” or act “noble” were just you trying to convince yourself that you aren’t/weren’t incel. But you will accept it one day, because deep down inside you know it is true.

Whatever makes you feel better, but your scenario doesn't describe how my life went down at all. I became more comfortable in my own skin, and my life changed.

Reality: - I left college campus and hypergamy decreased - I got a job and became able to beta provide - I set my standards lower for the girls I was looking for (older/below average /fat/asian girls, etc..)

If you had no luck with women between 16-22, there is no chance you are attractive. It is at a female’s biology since the age of 13-14 to pursue attractive men to reproduce with them, literally life itself depends on it. You would’ve known. You are a coping incel, this whole “comfortable in my own skin and life changed” is a cope.

I don't think I'm unattractive, but I doubt I'm much below average. It definitely wasn't my looks that were the major contributing factor during 16-22. I had a same-age girlfriend at 14-15, and dated a junior when I was a freshman, but became too awkward after that. And when I started dating again at 22, it was with an 18 year old woman, who was in college.

Most of the things said here are a form of exaggeration

There's a kernel of truth in all exaggeration. If people didn't at least kind of believe it, they wouldn't be here. There are more fun ways to cope than shitposting all day.

I can only speak for myself, but at my advanced age this is probably the best form of coping - speaking to a bunch of kindred spirits about huge problems in your life. The kernel of truth in the words here is what keeps people around.

Because you weren't smart enough to see the truth, that the world has conditioned even ugly women into thinking they deserve more than they're worth without doing a damn thing, and men into having to put forth all the effort all the while sacrificing everything else they may enjoy life. If you saw it then, you'd be bitter too.

Proof. https://mobile.twitter.com/OdettesimonexX/status/974038508766679040

Proof. https://mobile.twitter.com/OdettesimonexX/status/974038508766679040

Proof. https://mobile.twitter.com/OdettesimonexX/status/974038508766679040

average-looking.

yeah....thats the thing.

That's why it's over

"just suffer through your teens and 20s so that you can be a sexless beta bux in your 30s bro"

You can only be a sexless betabux if you allow her.

Be wise with your money and don't marry her.

If she dead bedrooms you, drop her ass.

Lie like a motherfucker during your 20's. Pretend you achieved stability and financial success at an early age. You should be able to bang a Thot before she realizes

We are not physically attractive enough to even speak to a female long enough to lie to her like that, let alone get her to have sexual intercourse with us.

College man, where every strange individual can do despicable things 😂🤚🏼

Yup. Exactly right.

Chad gets its for free because of his face.

If you aren’t attractive, you have to compensate a women.

His face wasn't free tho

Yeah wait 30 years and maybe some woman will reward you for being such a patient little boy.

they just want you to be a nice little cuck

they just want you to be a nice little cuckcock

Who said you have to fuck women your own age?

Yeah when this bald Indian janitor can barely beta provide for fat single moms he is gonna go try those 19 year olds who rejected him 10 years ago all over again.

Not a single tradcon can justify the shit deal of a beta bux, they they will push it desperately. Without the productivity of these men, everything collapses

It was a good deal 50 years ago, when a girl’s standards were a little more reasonable and she was a little less inexperienced... but after downloading Tinder and fucking Chad for years throughout college no Tinder or not, it’s over, there’s no going back. She just can’t, won’t tKe you seriously, even if you’re in her league.

For males it’d be like going from getting attention of models/pornstars all throughout college and sleeping with them, to then having to settle for an below average-average looking fat girl.

Even old hags are fucking chads. https://mobile.twitter.com/OdettesimonexX/status/974038508766679040

The thing is, the older you get, the harder it is to let this go. At my age, how can I even begin to compare to all the other men that have been in her life? How can I not see myself as just a meal ticket? Where was this women when I was younger? It's better to be incel and retain pride than to be a beta cuck.

ehh, I already see myself as a free meal ticket at best.

Are you actually 40?

I'm actually going to be 41 soon

What school of magick did you specialize in?

Honest question, are you really retaining pride as an incel?

In answer to your questions, that's the risk of a relationship. You trust them, they might fuck you over. Such is life. Who cares if they fuck you over anyway? Never put in more than you are willing to lose when you gamble. Relationships are that, a gamble. Would you really chose to not try because it might hurt your pride if you're wrong or get used? It happens to pretty much everyone I've ever known. Most people have at least one shitty relationship experience where they looked like a fool. You still get the experience of the relationship before it blows up. Enjoy the drunk before the hangover, if you get the chance. Who knows, it could last for longer than you expect and you get a chance to experience what you are feeling like you are missing out on(this is just an assumption based on where we are and the contents of this thread).

Either way, I hope you have a good life stranger.

My therapist unironically told me this. I wanted to stab her.

Therapists are fucking cunts, I hate them with a passion and couldn't agree more with you, they are dumb as shit even when they try to act like they aren't. Women therapists are even worse for obvious reasons, they have no live experience and everything that we want has just been handed to them.

Ha

Listen to this man!

Are you paying her to tell you this idiocy?

Nah it's free thankfully

Good.

Dump her and get a REAL therapist: a male one.

Most are still blue pill cucks

shit in her office and run away

Older, married and then divorced not-incel here.

That advice is basically bullshit.

By the time you've got a good foothold in a career, if you're not getting laid, it's not money holding you back.

The normal cycle is that even if you're not Chad, by the time you're out of college two years, women will come around.

Women realize that guys with jobs aren't going to stay single forever, and they are willing to make a play for you at 22 or so.

Now, one good piece of advice is to not marry until you're the man you want to be. You'll be happiest long-term if you don't live with a woman prior to 30-ish at the earliest. Women WILL hold you back in your career if you spend too much time on them.

You will NOT receive greater rewards from spending 15 hours a week with a woman than if you spend 4-8. They'll act less compliant, and... the sex is less good the more used to you she gets.

By 30-35 you should make it to "Analyst" or "Manager" or the second tier of "Engineer" or whatever you're shooting for.

You'll know your shit, you'll have good connections, and at THAT point, take a woman seriously won't automatically torpedo your career.

I lost an easy 1/4 million in money, and probably $40K/yr in my ultimate annual salary due to marrying after college instead of going MGTOW (sleep with women but don't let them keep you away from your mission) until my 30s.

You can do what you like, but I'd strongly suggest that involvement with women in your 20s stay pretty casual. I'm middle-aged and pulling hotter women than I did when I was 20-something.

There are guys who I went to high school with who are grandfathers, but last year I fucked a girl so young that she couldn't get into bars without a fake ID.

All things held equal, you can absolutely wait until 38 to marry and then find a young, fertile woman to build a life with. If you can't for whatever incel-ish reason... then you probably couldn't have at 20 or 25, either.

Best wishes and good luck.

You can do what you like, but I'd strongly suggest that involvement with women in your 20s stay pretty casual. I'm middle-aged and pulling hotter women than I did when I was 20-something.

You're probably good looking.

This man speaks the truth. Women get everything they will ever get as far as SMV handed to them at 16 years old. Just like winning the lottery. But most lottery winners go broke. And most girls slut it up and end up miserable. We men on the other hand, start with nothing, and have to build ourselves over a course of decades.

At around age 36 we peak, and I'm not just talking about money. If you eat super clean, workout massively, and maximize your testosterone, you get nearly thirty years at the top. Teenage girls give me the eye every day and I'm almost 55. Check my avatar picture which was taken just one week ago.

Men don’t peak at 36 looks wise. We bald and look like shit.

You probably were always good looking. I’m 22 and my hope is that when I’m 52 plastic surgery is advanced.

I've been bald since I was 30. Doesn't mean jack sh*t. There are lot of guys who are bald and badass:

http://assets.menshealth.co.uk/main/thumbs/25330/statham__square.jpg

FYI. I was a nerd of nerds for many years until I found theredpill and the gym. If I could do it anyone can. Raise your T. Get lean and mean. Learn MMA or boxing. Become a badass. Instant top 1%.

Plastic surgery is for fools. Those people end up looking like monsters. God is not mocked. Learn to exercise your face muscles. Grow your masseter. Clinch your jaw. Look and act like a MAN when you are surrounded by wimps and pussies and women will fall at your feet.

I'm just now getting deeply into hidden camera surveillance and guess what? I've got the proof. I'm catching women gawking and snapping my photo every day with their cell phones. ;-)

Plastic surgery when done with piling filler everywhere is go fools.

Gym is useless when you are short with a shit frame.

this red pill coping shit is almost more pathetic than numales telling us to work on our personalities. “instant top 1%” LMFAO

I'm just now getting deeply into hidden camera surveillance and guess what? I've got the proof. I'm catching women gawking and snapping my photo every day with their cell phones. ;-)

wtf is this bullshit

uhhh idk man you seem like one of those creepy dudes tryna hit on girls in their 20s at the club/bar. Like the older guys at a young people's environment. When I see those guys I'm like "shit I hope I don't end up like that"

Cope spotted.

I'm probably slightly above average in terms of facial structure and slightly taller than most American men.

I'm not Chad tier; my version of fucking the cheerleader is fucking the girl on the bottom of the stack who could afford to lose 50 pounds... three years after she graduates.

It's not ideal, but I'll take it.

I'm probably slightly above average in terms of facial structure and slightly taller than most American men.

That's a pretty big deal...

How much did you lose through the divorce? Why did you divorce? She initiated or you? Got kids? Do you want kids someday? If you’re choosing lifetime Mgtow, what’s your ultimate goal?

How much did you lose through the divorce?

Less than $10,000.

She took half my money in the bank; my other assets were not substantial.

The problem is that I spent a TON of money on her while we were married. Thus... I had little in the bank during the divorce.

I am grateful that she didn't pursue alimony. I'm not sure why she didn't. I did not pull that thread once I realized she didn't think she should pursue alimony.

The worst part, financially, is that she kept me from really digging into my career. She also kept me tied down to a certain location near her family, rather than being able to follow the market and chase the areas with good career development prospects.

I was shooting straight up the corporate ladder, and I just kind of stalled out once I got married.

Why did you divorce? She initiated or you?

We reached the conclusion that we should divorce during a multi-year shitty relationship death spiral. I was a poor leader, and I let her and the marriage distract me from my mission of getting good at a career I dearly loved.

If you fail to be attractive and fail to be strong, it is in her nature to turn on you. I failed, she turned on me, and I blame myself. I had swallowed a feminist agenda about how relationships work.

In the absence of a positive male role model and any idea how to be a man and a husband... I fucked up.

Got kids?

No kids. Before the point where we would have decided to have kids, the relationship got weird, so we continued to use contraception the entire time.

Do you want kids someday?

Not sure, and I'm hitting the age where I need to make a decision if I want to.

I certainly COULD find a sub-30-year-old woman who would be happy to have my kids.

Right now, I'm running a startup during a severe growth phase, so I have time for a casual girlfriend or two... but they're not long-term material (can't dox myself by disclosing why) and I'm choosing to avoid looking for anything else right now.

hey do you know if a judge can order you to give up foreign assets during a divorce?

You want to just ask a lawyer that, but off the top of my head, if a judge COULDN'T make you give up foreign assets during a divorce then I bet a lot more guys would have all their money tied up overseas.

Any divorce lawyer should be able to answer that.

Word to the wise:

Always consult a lawyer IN YOUR JURISDICTION when you're concerned about what might happen in local courts. Precedent and judicial tendencies sometimes vary even by county.

Ugh this post makes me uncertain about my future. Im mid 20s and will be graduating soon. Im pretty sure ill make 120+ if not 100k my first year. However, im currently in a relationship with a girl that really wants to get married with me. We've been dating for over 2+ years and this post just makes me uncertain. She is a good candidate for marriage. Very attractive girl. Comes from a conservative family with traditional values (was a virgin when we first dated). I don't think she'll hinder me from my career success. I guess my biggest concern is pretty much FOMO (fear of missing out). FOMO on new girls in the future, especially since I'll have more than enough money by then. What's your take on this?

what are you studying?

Medicine

What's your take on this?

Well, on the plus side, mid-20s means you're approaching the point where your personality is actually formed, unless some dummies who get married when they're 19 and don't know who they are.

If I wanted kids, and a lot of them, I'd marry the charming young lady you're talking to and start cranking out my legacy.

If I maybe wanted kids, but was okay not having them until I was in my 30s... I'd probably free her up and let her go off to find another nice guy who was ready to settle down. I might wait until after graduation to dump her, since I wouldn't want trying to get laid to get in the way of my grades. Your call on that decision, of course, as morality and ethics are individual decisions.

If you stay fit physically and strong professionally and mentally, you can find another her in 5 or 10 years.

Conservative women from good families who want to marry a handsome 35-year-old doctor are a thing now, and will still be a thing in a decade. You don't have to date women your age unless you want to.

Ugh kinda a sad thing to hear. The thing is ive always knew and understood this. My market value is just greater and will only increase even though she is much more attractive than I am. Unfortunate. I do want kids and a family. My ideal situation would be to have met her when i was 29 or 30.

I think my greatest fear would be to get marry with this girl only for it to turn into shit in like 15 years but that fear essentially applies to all women. Also fear of looking back and be like “wow i could have spent all that time having other thotties”.

I think I only stand to lose alot via financially if things end up going south

I think my greatest fear would be to get marry with this girl only for it to turn into shit in like 15 years but that fear essentially applies to all women.

There isn't a woman alive who you can marry and still enjoy even 1/4 as much when you're married 5 years as you did when you first fucked her. That's correct.

Also fear of looking back and be like “wow i could have spent all that time having other thotties”.

At a certain point, you'll have known a diversity of women and come to the realization that all sexual relation with women is, at the end of the day, about the same. Might take you two years of banging up a storm, might take you a decade. Regardless of when you start your playboy phase, the reward on investment for sex goes down a little as you age.

I used to want it three times a night, 5 days a week. Now I'm completely satisfied with one or two times a night a couple of times a week.

Fresh pussy doesn't excite me the way it used to either, even though I'm still quite into new experiences.

You can have an amazing life as an MGTOW if you want. I have friends who are high income with compliant, feminine wives and several kids who are happy men. That sure as hell isn't all married men, though.

Being happy with a wife and kids is life on hard mode. Pay attention to the specialty you choose and where you work. Not all doctors have the same work/life balance. If you choose to practice somewhere with insanely long hours and insane stress, you should probably MGTOW. Keeping a wife happy DOES require a certain amount of your time and it also uses up mental energy.

Good luck!

When she gets tired of that and wants to settle down, then and only then can I get to experience a fraction of what she got to experience.

And she might not even give affection to you.

fucking Disney movies.

14 year old sluts deserve to rot in prison like the degernate peices of shit they are.

Lol, you’re not serious are you?

out

Yes I am, that's way to young to be acting like tiny whores, it's fucked up, if I had a daughter and I found out I'd be the shit out of her but the feminazi government will find me guilty of "abuse" for trying to straighten out the little whore.

I see no reason why it should be illegal. I’ll agree with you if you show that it should be, which you didn’t.

Just lucky hes an incel cause even if he thinks domestic abuse is ok he'll never have a fanily to do it to.

Is it any worse than the future family that will be torn apart due to your spouses adultery and your innate idleness, cowardice and unmanliness to do anything about it? A human doormat.

Lol are you calling me a cuck?

Progressive type men usually tend in that direction. Really most modern men who settle down for the “every man” lifestyle in some way or another. Yes.

Maybe if you actually had friebdships with normal people irl you'd realise how wrong you are

What the hell constitutes a normal person in that sense? Someone with identical political/social viewpoints as yourself?

Why should having sex with a 14 year old be illigal when you're in you're 20s or 30s? Why should parents have to stand by and watch their children become whores unable to legally do anything? Why should incels have to deal with having to see shit like that and wondering what they missed out on and seeing sluts be getting something that isn't even feasible for them until they are twice as old and had to betabux to hell and back as their only hope?

1. I never said that pedophilia shouldn’t be illegal. Don’t put words in my mouth.
2. That’s why you keep a better eye on your kids and punish them if they do become ‘whores’.
3. That point is totally irrelevant. Just because somebody was left out of sex at a young age, you think that people should go to jail for having sex at a young age. Where are you gettin this logic?

All in all, you have shown that you are full of emotionally-charged arguments that only work to show the cancerous nature of some incels such as yourself.

1. I never said you said pedophilia shouldn't be illigal, and this is the kind of response I wanted to get from you so you could see my point of view, two underage people having sex is basically two accounts of pedophilia even if it is not viewed that way legally it should be viewed that way morally and that's how I see it.

2. I wouldn't be able to watch her at school where she could be operating as a literal prostitute behind my back without anyway of me knowing, that's part of why I'm against the american schooling system.

3. Seeing that kind of thing causes violence, for example just thinking about it made me legitimately pissed off and want to beat my hypothetical daughter, do you not see how that is bad for society? I ended up fantasizing about child abuse because of kids having sex underage, that's fucked up.

Yeah, a lot of it is emotionally charged, just like abuse is.

1. “A person who is diagnosed with pedophilia must be at least 16 years old, and at least five years older than the prepubescent child, for the attraction to be diagnosed as pedophilia.” (Wikipedia.org) With whatever you’re talking about, it doesn’t seem to be pedophilia. Also, pedophilia in itself isn’t necessarily a crime. Let me guess: you ‘morally’ also have a different definition for pedophilia?
2. Then don’t send her to a public school. Raise her right, and tell her the consequences and stuff of early sex. Finally, what does the American schooling system have to do with this?
3. That is quite the claim. It causes violence just because it made you want to beat your hypothetical kid? I don’t think society as a whole will see this and want to go beat the shit out of their children. It sounds like your problem, and I recommend seeing a therapist.

In your final statement, did you just compare abuse to your own argument? If you want to compare your argument to abuse, then, like abuse, let’s disregard it as something bad and stupid that shouldn’t happen.

Yeah, I admit I didn't look up the text book definition of pedophilia, and yes I know the fetish itself isn't a crime until acted upon, but my point is that I consider people having sex too young(before 25 or so) is just about child molestation.

Then don’t send her to a public school. Raise her right, and tell her the consequences and stuff of early sex. Finally, what does the American schooling system have to do with this?

The american school system has kids going to schools where they around others of their age allowing them to have sex too early, that's why it's relevant, IMO homeschooling should be the default with anything else having to be private or charter.

That is quite the claim. It causes violence just because it made you want to beat your hypothetical kid? I don’t think society as a whole will see this and want to go beat the shit out of their children. It sounds like your problem, and I recommend seeing a therapist.

Right, parents never mind when they find out their daughter is a whore...

In your final statement, did you just compare abuse to your own argument? If you want to compare your argument to abuse, then, like abuse, let’s disregard it as something bad and stupid that shouldn’t happen.

I meant to imply the mentality I have is the kind that leads to abuse.

So far, you have only shown one reason why it should be illegal, and that is the fact that it is still somehow ‘child molestation’. I really don’t think that this makes any sense, but let’s just say that there’s a law against having sex at a younger age. Do you really think that it would stop kids? Do you think that people should be forced away from sex just because you are salty that you didn’t have a girlfriend at fourteen?

To address your other points, they were either twisting my words or totally irrelevant. If you really believe in this law, then I ask you to prove to the world how two underage people having sex should be considered child molestation.

Do you really think that it would stop kids

It's about being able to reprimand them, and I'm sure it would stop some given how much effort guys need to put in.

Do you think that people should be forced away from sex just because you are salty that you didn’t have a girlfriend at fourteen?

I think they should be pushed away from sex because their brains aren't fully developed yet.

To address your other points, they were either twisting my words or totally irrelevant. If you really believe in this law, then I ask you to prove to the world how two underage people having sex should be considered child molestation.

I assume you are referring to the actual legal definition, in which case I'm ot sure because I didn't bother looking it up, I don't even know how you could prove something like that. How would you prove it in the case of an adult and a child?

Look, if you can’t explain why it should be illegal, I’ll quit bothering with this. I hope you realize that this community is holding you back, and you’d probably be a decent person if you were rational. Good luck getting this into legislation, I guess?

I was like this before finding this community TBH.

Good thing you'll never breed

Oh, I will, I'm determined to make sure my genes carry on so I can at least have one person in the world who was raised properly.

riiiiight.......

This is what you choose to do with your free time, kicking sand in the face of the downtrodden. Good man.

I don't like video games.

Good for you.

eh, attaching a social cost to being a bad person is basically community service.

Yeah... your personality doesn’t exactly scream “attractive”

You don't know anything about my personality, you've just seen some rants I've posted on reddit... those aren't exactly my pickup lines...

Yeah, I bet the pickup lines are worse

“Date me, or you’ll be a whore, piece of shit!”

I don't even talk to women most of the time, I have nothing t say and most of the time I can tell they aren't attracted to me.

Good. We usually can weed out the trash pretty early on. Please don’t abuse a woman into having your kids.

At most I would manipulate, I'm not an abuser.

I still wouldn’t trust him. He just told me that seeing girls with boyfriends makes him have abusive fantasies.

I mean I can kinda understand his anger but would say it isn't quite justified.

Manipulation is abuse, dumbass.

That is highly subjective.

We usually can weed out the trash pretty early on

lmao but yet wifebeaters and felons get lots of pussy and there are plenty of single moms because they fucked an uncaring, irresponsible man

are you fucking kidding?

How do you guys not understand that your random rants on Reddit indicate what aspects of your personality are?

it just indicates but that's it.

It's not that simple though.

People who are genuinely nice or lovely don't also say horrible things about people online. They say nice/neutral things.

Take racism for example, I'm not going to date someone who is casually racist because it means that to some extent they've internalised racist views. Even if they "don't mean it" the fact that it even comes to their mind to say something like that is a huge red flag.

I'm just bitter about constant rejection and it's very understandable.

I know you are. It's tough.

Being bitter is only going to make things worse for you though.

Rejection is always hard to take, I'm not great at it but you have to learn how to let it wash over you.

I'm going to give you some unsolicited advice so feel free to ignore it.

Working on nurturing your mind, your body and your spirit will really help your confidence. Meditation or yoga can really help to centre yourself and stop you from getting so angry over things you can't change.

Focusing on what you can change and making those changes for yourself (not because they'll get you laid) is going to serve you far better than focusing on how you want the world around you to change.

Being bitter is only going to make things worse for you though. Rejection is always hard to take, I'm not great at it but you have to learn how to let it wash over you.

Rejection isn't even what I feel is the worst part, for me If eel like I can't even find women, like even if I was a chad I would struggle to get a girlfriend because I just dont know where to meet women so I feel like the changes I make to myself doesn't even effect my chances.

I feel kind of similar. I've moved cities a few times and it's been a real struggle to make friends each time. I think that a large part of that is because of how poorly people communicate now.

Most people I speak to say that they struggle to find real connections with people nowadays.

For me there just isn't really ever a reason for anybody to talk to me or any point to start a conversation at.

Well the reason is because you want to meet people and make friends.

Or did you mean that you struggle to come up with an excuse to talk to someone?

I struggle to come up with an excuse, and I can't find anywhere where it would be normal to approach someone.

Yep, I struggle with that one too.

Do you have positive male friends/influences in your life? I don't mean the kind of friends who always want you at a bar but the kind who want to go hiking or that you could talk to about mental health and/or your emotions.

I've noticed more and more that male friendships can be really lonely. There isn't much space for vulnerability and it's hard to be properly close to people you can't be vulnerable with. Maybe you could try improving emotional intimacy in your existing friendships.

Or seek out new friendships where that sort of thing is a priority.

I made a new friend on bumble bff the other day. Is there a male version of that?

Maybe you could go join a club and meet people that way. Exercise classes are quite good for that. After yoga you can always joke with someone about how hard a certain position was. I guess for guys a casual sports team would be a good equivalent.

Hardly any male friends at all and they aren't close. I don't know how I'd go about trying to find friends, and there just isn't much I'd want to do or that im interesting in.

I know it's tough, I feel the same way really. As I said already, I met a friend on bumble bff and that app is available in a lot of countries.

Board games are always fun. There's a whole world out there outside of Monopoly and Cluedo. People of both genders go and they're sociable. It's impossible not to have conversations and form relationships with people. There'll probably be a meet up in you area if you google it and looked on Facebook.

Exercise is always good for you and if you can make it a social activity then that's even better. I hate working out, I go to the gym 1-2 times a year but there's still some stuff that I could tolerate for an hour a week. Yoga and Pilates are really gentle and whenever I've been there have been women and women of all shapes and sizes in the class.

Its worth trying at least once. Doing something is always better than doing nothing.

please don't.

the world is fucked up enough, it doesn't need more of you. :/

Okay, your input has changed my desire to reproduce, thank you kind internet stranger. Seriously though, just be glad I'm not trying to start some kind of incel extremist group.

thankfully you don't get a vote about either.

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Lol fuck off slut

get lost

When she gets tired of that

The best part of this is that she NEVER gets tired of it. She realizes that she can't tie down an actual alpha so she SETTLES for you purely out of depressing practicality. She still loves Chad Tyrone etc. but she's realistic enough to be practical. If she can get one of them to pay attention to her while you're together she won't hesitate to jump ship taking her rightful plunder of your present and future earnings via alimony and child support.

cope , stop with this redpill bullshit there is no wall or she cant tie alpha or some shit there is no alpha or beta you dumbass there is only how bones areplaced in your face , any girl at any age can fuck like she can eat pizza

I don't think you guys are in complete disagreement brother

Yes, she can fuck Chad at any age, but Chad doesn’t want to settle down with and marry her. She’s just a fling to him.

There is no wall, you guys. Only a wall of guys.

“There is no alpha and beta there is only how bones are placed on your face”

Turbo black pill. Will borrow

imagine after finally getting a wife at the age of 30. she suggests cuckolding.

I'd suggest I take a trip to Switzerland

am black. so am screwed.

lol switzerland is the new sui

sui?

Trip to Switzerland is a euphemism for suicide.

really?

Euthanasia

I'd send her and her boyfriend on a trip to Belize

Become a bull man.

Idk why you keep thinking you have to marry these used up thots to have sex with them. If you are rich, they'll have sex with you in hopes you marry them.

I've read this before. These aren't your words lol.

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Your also told this same exact thing about graduating high school and the girls magically become more enlightened in college.

I know. When our friends and elders keep moving the goal posts on us, it's not because they mean well and they know more about life than you. It's just to make you STFU about your sexual eviction for a few more years.

Yeah, more enlightened to chad's cock.

since when is radically lowering their standards "enlightened"?

Are you implying you personally prefer underage girls there?

can't tell if really bad troll attempt or really stupid...

Trolling. No one likes the psychologically insecurity of high school girls or sees it preferable in any way. Like someone who spends his free time ranting on reddit against incels and Russian “collusion”

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/WXfuedi

Finding that gif must have made you all tingly inside huh?

you're trying to hard ;)

Have you seduced any of the incel tears users through your daily time spent slaving away getting at the incels? Seriously?

you're assuming that i don't already have that pussy locked down ;)

and what i'm doing here is basically community service.

we attach a social cost to being a bad person, thereby mantaining a pressure on you incels that maybe forces one or two of you to finally get their shit together.

i'm doing you a favor kiddo. be a bit more grateful.

if anyone here is 25+ years old and wants to get sex like chad, just fly over to philipines, thailand, ukraine or columbia.

It no replacement your lost youth, but it helps some what even the playing field.

Yep, don't lose hope! Couldn't make a better choice and the few men I know married to old harpies are extremely jealous of me.

Best of all in these regions there are a ton of 18 - 20 yo virgins, even if you are picky about looks it won't be too difficult. They can actually make good wife material and just being a low-middle class guy is already amazing to them, as is being treated with respect because most russian / asian men treat their women like shit so they are not spoiled like western women.

couldnt agree more

this is the one thing that makes roasties head explode, knowing that incels are getting laid or finding decent women by flying over to other countries. They want us to beta bux here to some used 20 year harpies

Incels need to give serious thought to this option

it ain't no solution for a black person/

am not white tho.

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what race are you?

use it to your advantage, you will stick out more in countries like ukraine which could be benefit

black.

ukraine is neo nazi central so

its over

I was in rio brazil for a week and then colombia for a week, i found 1 woman that spoke english that was in her 40s, none of the woman were talking to me or throwing themself at me.

brazil is tourist hot spot and the cities are generally well developed.

You would do better in ecuador, columbia is smaller towns

Also you need local guys to hook you up (kind of like pimps but not exactly)

Brazil also has a feminist problem.

I have a buddy who lives there that says that they want to implement divorce laws like the ones in the USA.

Take your asses to Columbia or Philippines

That's just the same thing. They see the white man as a giant dollar sign.

If they were born in the west then they just as bad (if not worse) than western girls.

In islam a women cant marry a non muslim.

Please stop looking to fuck literal children. Please stop taking advantage of terrible conditions in other worlds just to wet your dick.

stay mad, norman

Not even a fuckin man, but w/e lmao

So we should just stay in the US and wallow in misery? Yeah, fuck off norman, we can do what we want, especially since it's LEGAL there.

yep. you deserve it.

especially since it's LEGAL there.

please try telling that to the judge.

fucking pedos -.-

You are sick in the head and you need to go to a mental hospital. You are thinking about fucking children, but y’all claim you don’t support pedophilia. I actually want to throw up. You people are literal dirt. And you wonder why no woman wants to fuck you or even breathe in your direction for that matter.

16+ is not a child, and some country's even have the age of consent as low as 13 (Japan). I don't support pedophilia, and under the law it is not pedophilia. If you think something that's legal is disgusting then you should have a talk with the lawmakers, we're simply law abiding citizens.

If it's legal it's all good. Haha, jk. Legal, though. LEGAL DAWG. lol jk my name isn't Mohammed.

Lol you're so fucking retarded. These women voluntarily have sex with him and you're claiming he is taking advantage of them.

To any incels reading this remember: women think any and all sex with a sub8 male is rape.

If you think that children prostitute themselves voluntarily then you're deluded.

Stop projecting your own paedophilia onto incels faggot. The FBI is coming for you.

He's not projecting anything. The original poster stated that south East Asian countries have lower ages of consent like 18 isn't low enough. If you're an adult you shouldn't want to be sleeping with anyone under that age anyway.

lmao what the fuck you american cuck. 18 is obviously not low enough. Girls are having sex since the age of 12 with their peers so why can't they have it with me?

I'm not American but whatever.

If under 18's want to have sex with their peers then that's not an issue. Over 20's wanting to have sex with under 18's is just predatory.

No, that's over 20's wanting to have sex with under 18's. So when I hit the age of 18 I magically lose interest in younger girls? No I fucking don't. And they don't magically become submissive to me because I'm older. No one is forced to anything, they want to have sex with me, I want to have sex with them. Everyone involved is happy but there's always that one cuck who would report that to police just for the sake of destroying someone's life because of some artificial law called "age of consent".

When you hit your 20's you don't have enough in common with under 18's to want to date them. They're in a totally different place in their lives.

Just using a minor for sex is cruel. They're still in a formative period of their life so all of their sexual experiences are going to have a big impact on them. Being taken advantage of by someone who more mature is going to seriously mess them up one way or another.

What's wrong with sleeping with a 22 year old anyway? You can go to a bar, have a decent conversation and actually enjoy yourselves together.

I have much more in common with teenage girls than with used up 22yo roasties. And they are not even close to the attractiveness of a teenage girl.

also

being taken advantage of no one is doing that, she wants it, I want it

Does the fact that you have more in common with a teenager than you do an adult not indicate that maybe you have some soul searching/growing up to do?

Adults are boring, adult life is boring. I finished school, I have a job. Killing the small part of my cheerful teenage soul for the sake of "growing up" is the worst thing I could do. I want someone to hold hands with, to dance in the rain with. Not someone who drags me down to the boring reality.

That's exactly what I want and have found with my partner. You don't have to date a child to find someone who makes you feel young.

If you date a teenager then they're only interested in you because you're the coolest person they've met so far. The fact that you have disposable income and your own place is the most exciting thing ever at that age. If you date adults then they'll be with you because they're interested in you as a person. They'll want to actually build a life with you.

Fucking young teens is big part oc growung up

It's just not. Especially not as a 22 year old.

Fucking young teens is big part of growing up

Yeah, when you're a teenager yourself. Fucking young teens in your 20s isn't going to make up for missing that when you were younger, it just makes you a predator.

It has been my experience that people who most often accuse others of paedophilia are most probably paedophiles themselves.

I don't really care about the age of consent, but you're damn sure I'll take advantage of some poverty shithole to get my dick wet. If you wouldn't as an incel you're a literal moron.

Imagine thinking that fucking a child is going to solve all of your problems. You’re fucking sick in the head. That’s a CHILD. What if you had a kid and some guy targeted her/him and fully wanted to fuck them? And they spewed that bullshit “oh I haven’t ever had sex, let me have sex with your kid” Would you let them? No. Because you shouldn’t ever be thinking about fucking children and if you do, you should be shot on sight

I literally just said I don't want to go to any country because of the age of consent. I want to get laid, but not by a fucking child you idiot. Maybe read my post before chimping out like a retard.

That said I have every right to take advantage of an economic situation in a shithole to get my dink wet.

You’re fucking sick for even suggesting that you can go and fuck a child.

Are you dumb? The original poster mentioned that the age of consent is lower in those countries, not me. I love the way you are chimping out, almost like you are projecting your own insecurities.

That said I believe flying to somewhere like Thailand and getting laid is a good path for a lot of white guys, especially ones with money. There is nothing wrong with it. I might just do it myself.

They like it though.

I'm 30. It did not get better for me. Instead, my hairline is now receding.

Hi 30, I'm dad!

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FUCK YOU MY HAIRLINE STARTED RECEDING WHEN I WAS 15. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY

lol this is bullshit, you should NEVER spend time with a gold digger.

AWALT!

Especially if you are not attractive

Stop promoting this.

Stop breathing.

Lol

isn't it funny that some societies tend to value virginity more and others tend to shame them?

"just wait until theyre older and youre more successful" is the PLATINUM cope, I think this is the root of pua/redpill/blackpill

You know, we wouldn't have this problem in a healthy patriarchal society which recognizes that young women tend to have bad judgment if you leave them to their own devices regarding men. We wouldn't let women allegedly wise up about men by making the predictable mistakes with them, because women for the most part aren't capable of maturing emotionally and becoming "wise" with the passing of the years; instead we would steer them into arranged marriages early to keep them out of trouble.

So true

I mean, better than never getting it I guess.

nope, I'd much rather never get it

Ok then. I mean I thought this comment was quite neutral. Do I sound like a dick? Maybe I'm incel by personality ha ha.

then you're technically not involuntarily celibate

I don't get why so many people think being chosen last is something to be proud of. If a woman would never have sex with you in her 20s but now that she's 33 she wants you. That just means that you've been settled for because you're safe, stable and maybe in a few cases got money (buxxed). It's not like what makes her wet has changed, it just means you've been settled for because her priorities have changed and she couldn't do better. Sounds like a shit deal.

This world is hell

A femoid can't love so buy a sex doll.

You get the same kind of love but the sex doll will let you fuck her.

we won this thread niggas

I don't get why incels keep using this stupid ass example. Ok let's say you spend 10 years to get super wealthy and now bitches want you. Why the fuck is the next logical step in this hypocritical situation be marriage?

WHY ARE YOU MARRYING THESE THOTTIES?

Do you really fucking think that they wont put out unless they get a ring? They'll put out if you can provide them with the lifestyle they want. What does this mean exactly? No I'm not talking about giving them a monthly allowance or any of that bullshit. I'm not talking about giving them money PERIOD. You take these gold diggers on trips and vacations. You take them to fancy dinner. Sure buy them a watch or a purse, but never give them money directly. The key is to make these thots financially dependent on you.

Also, idk why you incels think a 30 year old rich guy has to go for 30 year old used up thots. Uhh hello? Have you seen instagram lately? Hella young, ripe, blossoming instagram "models" who would GLADLY take you up on your offer to take her to cancun or whatever the fuck.

Sure you're spending money on her but you aint DIRECTLY giving her money which is key. Listen, there is nothing wrong with being desired for the ability to provide a luxurious lifestyle. With great wealth, you would be able to have 10+ of these gold diggers in your DMs at all times. You can start pumping and dumping them. Maybe lead them on. Make them think youre gonna put a ring on it when you really fucking 8 other thotties. Who gives a shit, you got the money, you got the power.

nice meltdown

Which part of this isn't true?

I can pratically smell the soy sauce coming off your posts, Jing. It reeks of try-hard geek faggot ‘Let me tell you about my start up’ bullshit.

LOL... wtf are you sperging. Get a grip.

Believe it or not: some people want to get married and be valued and appreciated for more than wealth. The fact that I can get megarich and fuck young sluts IS the Blackpill. The Blackpill is that passionate love does not exist outside of Chad and his relationships because you will not inspire that passion in others unless you look like Chad or, have some other otherworldly quality (ie.become irl Batman) that makes you better than everyone else. Not everyone can be better than everyone else, that's just straight math.

I don't get it. Why is it better to be envied and loved for looks as opposed to wealth? So hoes love chads because of his physical features. Why can't hoes love you for your wealth? What is so wrong of being desired for your wealth?

retard. cuz if you went broke. these bitches will leave you hanging.

And if chads house caught on fire and half his face burned off all the bitches would leave him hanging too.

nobody falls in love because of money. lets be honest here.

Uh... we'll just agree to disagree on that. Being desired for the ability to provide a certain lifestyle is a good thing. It is no worse or better than being desired for extrinsic characteristics.

they are called gold diggers and are universally hated. you can disagree all you want.

besides, did you even read the post? why would i study all my life and remain a virgin, while the other girl goes to party and shit and ends up with me after settling down? and after all that we aren't even getting a girl who is attractive. an average at best. fuck that

Well that's just a subjective name society gave to women who crave wealth. I mean we could call girls who crave good looks shallow if you want.

As a successful 30 year old guy, you aren't too old to date 22 year olds. You aren't settling down though? You are pumping and dumping these hoes too. Did you read my original post? I explicitly stated to not get marry to these thots. You really think these thots wont sleep with you unless you marry them? Nope they'll fuck you with the hopes of dating you and getting you to propose.

then why did you mention love?

I didnt... the poster above me did. I just said hoes can love your wealth just like how they love your looks.

They love the wealth not you.

They love the looks, not the you.

You do realize that looks is an extrinsic quality similar to wealth right?

just have meaningless sex bruh xD

Braincels problems are more emotional than sexual

Its actually the most honest relationship that you will ever have with a female. Relationships are always trades, females trade sex for status and finacial stability. By making it clear that she only wants your money, you both know what to expect. No bullshit.

aka a gold digger.

Unfortunately this

its because of the degenerate western society.

Nothing changes as thots get older. They literally still want Chad. I'm seeing less and less interest in beta providers, too.

Don't settle for a woman who wants to settle. There will always be hot 21 year olds. You aren't limited to women within one year of your own age.

i mean, not in general, but incels are probably limited a bit more than your average joe...

Women, kids, and dogs.

That’s what this whole fucking sub is for you retarded fucking dumbass fuckhead. We know we’ve been fucked by life and were dealt a shit deck. And then you have retards like you coming in here telling us to kill ourselves and telling us it’s our fault. Do you think we choose to live like this and be a part of this subculture? Fucking LMFAO. How fucking retarded do you have to be to think that being incel would be a choice???

You can only be a sexless betabux if you allow her.

Be wise with your money and don't marry her.

If she dead bedrooms you, drop her ass.

out

Yes I am, that's way to young to be acting like tiny whores, it's fucked up, if I had a daughter and I found out I'd be the shit out of her but the feminazi government will find me guilty of "abuse" for trying to straighten out the little whore.

1. “A person who is diagnosed with pedophilia must be at least 16 years old, and at least five years older than the prepubescent child, for the attraction to be diagnosed as pedophilia.” (Wikipedia.org) With whatever you’re talking about, it doesn’t seem to be pedophilia. Also, pedophilia in itself isn’t necessarily a crime. Let me guess: you ‘morally’ also have a different definition for pedophilia?
2. Then don’t send her to a public school. Raise her right, and tell her the consequences and stuff of early sex. Finally, what does the American schooling system have to do with this?
3. That is quite the claim. It causes violence just because it made you want to beat your hypothetical kid? I don’t think society as a whole will see this and want to go beat the shit out of their children. It sounds like your problem, and I recommend seeing a therapist.

In your final statement, did you just compare abuse to your own argument? If you want to compare your argument to abuse, then, like abuse, let’s disregard it as something bad and stupid that shouldn’t happen.

Lol fuck off slut

get lost

Hardly any male friends at all and they aren't close. I don't know how I'd go about trying to find friends, and there just isn't much I'd want to do or that im interesting in.

I know it's tough, I feel the same way really. As I said already, I met a friend on bumble bff and that app is available in a lot of countries.

Board games are always fun. There's a whole world out there outside of Monopoly and Cluedo. People of both genders go and they're sociable. It's impossible not to have conversations and form relationships with people. There'll probably be a meet up in you area if you google it and looked on Facebook.

Exercise is always good for you and if you can make it a social activity then that's even better. I hate working out, I go to the gym 1-2 times a year but there's still some stuff that I could tolerate for an hour a week. Yoga and Pilates are really gentle and whenever I've been there have been women and women of all shapes and sizes in the class.

Its worth trying at least once. Doing something is always better than doing nothing.

they just want you to be a nice little cuckcock

I think my greatest fear would be to get marry with this girl only for it to turn into shit in like 15 years but that fear essentially applies to all women.

There isn't a woman alive who you can marry and still enjoy even 1/4 as much when you're married 5 years as you did when you first fucked her. That's correct.

Also fear of looking back and be like “wow i could have spent all that time having other thotties”.

At a certain point, you'll have known a diversity of women and come to the realization that all sexual relation with women is, at the end of the day, about the same. Might take you two years of banging up a storm, might take you a decade. Regardless of when you start your playboy phase, the reward on investment for sex goes down a little as you age.

I used to want it three times a night, 5 days a week. Now I'm completely satisfied with one or two times a night a couple of times a week.

Fresh pussy doesn't excite me the way it used to either, even though I'm still quite into new experiences.

You can have an amazing life as an MGTOW if you want. I have friends who are high income with compliant, feminine wives and several kids who are happy men. That sure as hell isn't all married men, though.

Being happy with a wife and kids is life on hard mode. Pay attention to the specialty you choose and where you work. Not all doctors have the same work/life balance. If you choose to practice somewhere with insanely long hours and insane stress, you should probably MGTOW. Keeping a wife happy DOES require a certain amount of your time and it also uses up mental energy.

Good luck!