Yeah. It's unfortunate but in some cases it's understandable. People get more impatient as they get older so they expect perfection (or close to) right away.
Omg you just reminded me that even if I miraculously get a gf I will be a social retard who doesn’t know how to act in a relationship because of no prior experience. That’s completely disregarding intimate stuff like kissing and sex. It’s over.
I'm not disconnected at all. Personality can affect how attractive someone is perceived to be. However they have to get given the chance to show their personality and that is where things get hard.
I disagree with looks > personality as a general rule because there are too many exceptions. 3/10 or below will find their looks are a hindrance, 7/10 and up will find their looks are helpful. The middle range won't find their looks doing either.
It means on OkCupid personality is determined by looks, but looks are not determined by personality. Being very nice won't make more attractive but being good looking as fuck will make up for any defect you have.
Lol you realize that all this shows is that there is a relationship between looks and personality, right? It does not definitively prove that looks are responsible for a better perception of someone’s personality. In fact, this graph could easily be showing that your personality has a significant influence on how attractive you are perceived to be. All we know is that the perception of attractiveness and personality seemed inextricably linked. So someone who has a great personality is perceived to be better looking and vice versa. You’re only seeing one possible interpretation of this data when in fact there are many ways to interpret this.
Do you have a point? There are a million chicks that would also fuck morbidly obese Big Pun who was a woman beater, or Pablo Escobar who killed thousands. Its already well documented that people will overlook some attributes they don't like for other attributes they like more.
How can you say on one hand that personality doesn't matter but that money and power do. Where do things like intelligence or having a big dick factor in? Every attribute a person has matters to varying degrees for various people.
Do power and personality have nothing to do with each other as well?
Of course personality and looks are related to money, and to suggest otherwise flies in the face of everything I know. The easier you are on the eyes or the easier you get along with people, the easier you will make money and obtain power, which we both can agree attract women.
If you are having trouble getting women I would assume you are also having trouble acquiring power and respect.
I mean, the fact that a loser who gets gratification from trolling incels on the Internet can get laid only proves our point that personality doesn't matter.
Women who are attracted to physically and emotionally abusive men are not healthy women. If you want to date an unhealthy woman just because she is attractive then you are not a healthy person either.
You’re only seeing one possible interpretation of this data when in fact there are many ways to interpret it.
No, they're seeing the only possibly interpretation of the data that's left after Christian Rudder ruled out the alternate possibility with additional analysis.
It does not definitively prove that looks are responsible for a better perception of someone’s personality.
Actually, since the halo effect is a well known phenomenon, whereas the reverse does not exist, that data is indeed solid evidence that looks improve personality but not vice versa.
The 1.5 looks 2.4 personality must be some suave public speaking guru or some doctor that saves blind underprivileged babies.
The real blackpill: there are more outliers below the line than above the line. A good-looking person can have an unattractive personality, but an ugly person is rarely seen as having a good personality. When bluepill tells you personality matters, it's because they're focused on the first type (douchey Chads) and ignoring the second.
More attractive people have better personalities? Better personalities make you look more attractive? Better personalities lead to higher likelihood of getting laid and having kids leading to the majority of the population looking like the ancient ones that had the best personalities so our social idea of beauty stems from the ones who had the best personalities?
Just sayin, correlations arent the full story. There's a correlation to deaths by drowning and nick cage films, that correlation doesnt mean anything. Wait...
I was being kinda facetious, but whatever. Given this data is from a dating site, the fact that an attractive picture is correlated with better perceived personality sortve makes sense. They themselves said that the picture was 90% of what users (both sexes) took into account when making their ratings (quantity over quality, aint nobody got time to read through a bunch of profiles when sex is on the line). Guna need a different study to go beyond online dating. All they really concluded was that people (both sexes) are super shallow on the internet if the internet gives them the opportunity to be.
Other psychology studies using controlled experiments (granted mostly on college students) reached the same results: looks skewed perception of personality, and women gave more weight to attractiveness in photos than character traits.
What is it with people always acting like evolutionary psychological is the end all be all of humans. Society has progressed far beyond lizard brain style thinking, if you took a sociology/psychology class youd find that basic sexual drive is rarely ever the only factor in play when a person decides who they want to be with.
So find one. You can bitch and moan about invalid samples all you want, but your point of view isn't supported by any science or empirical evidence at all, so it's not like you have a bigger claim to legitimacy.
I think it's your job to find one since you're the ones trying to sell a belief. You telling other people to look for something you're supposed to prove just shows you have absolutely no argument.
And why would it be my job to find evidence against what I believe is true? I'm open to being presented with such evidence and debating it to the extent that the other side is willing as well, but specifically looking for "studies" (not even actual research, just "studies") is... why would I do that?
Burden of proof is always on the one making the positive claim. Its not my responsibility to provide your references. Also, i do love how youre lecturing me on science. Its cute.
Burden of proof is always on the one making the positive claim.
Yep, and the one making the claim is you. The claim being "there is evidence countering your claim". The claims incels make are supported by a wide array of statistical and intepretative data, and that's in a world where generally such publications are discouraged and oftentimes censored. On the other hand, the counterclaims you make are supported by very little research, and what little research there is that can be spun into supporting your views is merely that - spun.
Lmao my claim is "your claim is bullshit"? That's not how this works. The base assumption is that there isn't an interaction, that's always how it is. Its assumed everything is normal until proven otherwise. You're claiming there is an interaction. You have the claim, you have the burden to prove the null hypothesis is incorrect.
But whatever, I literally have nothing to gain here, so let's just say you win the proverbial internet argument trophy here and call it.
You are retarded, boyo. In science you can’t simply discredit a study without valid reasons and ask for another study when your view doesn’t have a study to prove it. Why do I need to prove that looks are more important than personality but you don’t need to prove that personality is more important?
The study suggests that if a man is considered at least moderately attractive, then his personality matters to women, Fugère said. If a man is viewed as less than moderately attractive, it doesn't seem to matter as much to women what his personality is like, Fugère explained.
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In addition, the findings demonstrated that "a moderate level of attractiveness is a necessity to young women and to their moms, and they are not willing to give that up in favor of personality," Fugère said.
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She explained that physical attractiveness appears to act as a gatekeeper for potential mates. If a man meets a required level of physical attractiveness, then women are willing to consider his personality characteristics, the study revealed.
I could be wrong, but i dont see anywhere that i said personality was more important. I see a lot of questionmarks and reiterating what was said in that (nonpeerreviewed, corporate, internal) study. I didnt "discredit" it for no reason. I qualified it as applying to situations within the bounds of study in the first place. If you knew anything about science, youd know the burden of proof is on the one making the claim. But what do i know, im just a microbiologist. You probably do know more than me about science.
If you knew anything about science, youd know the burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
You claim that people on the internet are just shallow but it doesn't transfer to the real world? Haven't seen scientific proof that people behave different in the real world. I mean people exist irl and on the internet and most people don't use only one way of dating. I'd say this study more valid because it was done on the internet anonymously, where people don't fear social repercussions for being shallow.
I don't know why every proof that incels provide for their viewpoints gets shut down but normies never prove anything but their word is taken as the truth.
But what do i know, im just a microbiologist. You probably do know more than me about science.
You should really stop this pathetic shit. For someone who studied a scientific field you are quick to fall victim of logical fallacies.
The internet and real life are kindve totally different. Like i dont know what else to say there. Your reasoning for why the internet is similar (or the internet being...more...applicable) to real life immediately discredits itself when you point out the glaringly obvious "people arent as shallow in person". I mean, theyre not even the same enough in the first place but something like that damages any argument someone could make about them being.
The reason a bunch of your studies keep getting shut down is maybe because the universe hates incels. Though it could be that you keep cherry picking studies to fit your personal experience, and extrapolating the results to make your own conclusions far beyond the boundaries of the study. I dunno though, I'm leaning on worldwide conspiracy.
Your reasoning for why the internet is similar (or the internet being...more...applicable) to real life immediately discredits itself when you point out the glaringly obvious "people arent as shallow in person".
I said that people irl are less likely to be honest when it comes to things that would expose them as shallow because they fear social repercussions. Do I really need to find a study to prove this? They are still the same people as they are on the internet.
The reason a bunch of your studies keep getting shut down is maybe because the universe hates incels. Though it could be that you keep cherry picking studies to fit your personal experience, and extrapolating the results to make your own conclusions far beyond the boundaries of the study. I dunno though, I'm leaning on worldwide conspiracy.
I have yet to see a single scientific peer reviewed study posted by a norman that proves their point but nothing an incel posts is ever good enough for reasons. I think people like to shit on incels because they expose the truth and the truth is harsh. People like to think that they all their "self-improvement" has lead to the point in life where they are now and not that the majority of their success came down to the lack of the draw. Normies here on reddit are much more willing to admit that looks play a huge factor in everything in life when someone who isn't recognized as incel says it. Take a look at this thread for example.
Maybe to a degree. I dunno. If you want to participate in hookup culture then definitely. There are enough people in the world though that given enough searching, someone should eventually find someone. I mean, law of large numbers or whatever the stat term is. As long as the chance is greater than zero you just gotta brute force those numbers before you get a hit
A degree? How often do you see the unattractive men do well?
It's not that anyone wants to, it's just the way the world around us is. It's spread so that even monogamist relationships will still participate in hooking up looking for threesomes and cuckolding. Pareto's 80/20 law applies.
Simplest, most possible answer is... What? There are enough exceptions to the "only hot people getting with hot people are in happy relationships" rule that seems to be fabricated here (correct me if that's not a good summary of the overall belief) that it's more simple to assume that there's more to the equation than "I'm not a 9/10 Chad so no girls will like me and 50% of the dating population that aren't in 9/10 matched with 9/10 relationships are just exceptions" (i don't even think anyone uses Chad genuinely anymore, but you know what I mean). Again, correct me if I'm wrong about the assumptions I'm making, I don't want to accidentally strawman here.
The simplest explanation for that graph is that people see an attractive person and because of wishful thinking assume they also have an attractive personality.
The overall belief here is that if you want an attractive woman as a partner for relationships or just sex, you have to be good looking, which is against the narrative that ugly people have equal chances, given they have a nice personality or ‘game’.
The amplified opinion that all women prefer good looking men over nice personalities seems to come from the recent rise in women’s standards on social media and dating apps. Also many people here have made real life experiences that are no less valuable than those of others and we should respect them.
Though it's worth saying correlation doesn't mean causation, Id concede what you're saying doesn't seem to be too off the wall. Good looks definitely help, I don't think I've ever (intentionally) said that that wasn't the case. I'd just argue that it's not a lost cause if someone is locked with non-socially-deemed-pretty bone structure or something. Though I guess it being a lost cause isn't what a majority of people are arguing? I dunno.
I guess I just keep seeing the far out loudest minority acting like total dickweasels calling women roasties and whatnot which tends to cloud my view of this sub since they complain about women not wanting to fuck them (claiming it's because of looks) followed by all out insulting them (it probably isn't the looks that put them off). But every group has their fringe groups.
I'll try and be better at identifying fringe groups in the future though.
Of course. Attractive people get more social practice because people want to talk to them. Even ugly pieces of shit like the people who sub here all want someone beautiful.
That's why pretty people have a lot of friends. The rich get richer.
FYI women do go for “nice guys” over Chad in some cases. I’m one of them.
The real problem is that the majority of the people here aren’t “nice guys” either. Their attitude sucks and their refusal to change their stance on women based purely on how they perceive that other people see them and their own twisted world view (gained from the absolutely fucking toxic nature of this sub) means that they have nothing positive to offer in a relationship.
No, women won’t date you because of your appearance. You can make up for that in other areas. They won’t date you because you’re toxic. If you’re one of those people who hate women because they won’t have sex with you over Chad, you’re not a nice guy. End of story. Don’t call yourself a nice guy, then turn around and call women “femoids” or “roasties”.
Believe me when I say, the change you desire starts with yourself, and it’s up to you to go out and make your future what you want it to be. Don’t sit around on the Internet all day, especially on subs like this which reinforce negativity and killing yourself and are 100% to blame for any suicides that result from that. This is the last place you want to be.
Figure out what you want from yourself and make a positivite change before you even think about pursuing a relationship from anybody.
FYI women do go for “nice guys” over Chad in some cases. I’m one of them.
Yep, when one of these threads goes up, there are always some statistical impossibilities claiming to be present. Where are you in the real life? Or is it actually that you actually date a guy in the 6..7 or range, but because he falls below the threshold of 8/10, you consider him to be ugly and therefore a "nice guy"?
The real problem is that the majority of the people here aren’t “nice guys” either.
No fucking shit. I would want to see your attitude when you have been rejected from society and bullied throughout your life because of your looks. I mean, 10+ years of that eventually takes a toll on your psyche. I'm 32 and made fun of since kindergarten by women and inventing reasons every day for not killing myself yet (currently it's because I'm waiting to see how https://www.fictionpress.com/s/2961893/1/Mother-of-Learning ends)
Their attitude sucks and their refusal to change their stance on women based purely on how they perceive that other people see them and their own twisted world view (gained from the absolutely fucking toxic nature of this sub) means that they have nothing positive to offer in a relationship.
tl;dr: positive mental attitude and you just might make the cut to be beta bux!
No, women won’t reject you purely because of your appearance. Not all the time. You can make up for that in other areas.
Just become a billionaire, it's ezpz.
They won’t date you because you’re toxic. If you’re one of those people who hate women because they won’t have sex with you over Chad, you’re not a nice guy. End of story. Don’t call yourself a nice guy, then turn around and call women “femoids” or “roasties”.
Translation: accept your lot in life and shut the fuck up, uggo.
Believe me when I say, the change you desire starts with yourself, and it’s up to you to go out and make your future what you want it to be. Don’t sit around on the Internet all day, especially on subs like this which reinforce negativity and killing yourself and are 100% to blame for any suicides that result from that. This is the last place you want to be. Figure out what you want from yourself and make a positivite change before you even think about pursuing a relationship from anybody.
Just lift your therapist in the shower and shave your teeth with the floss and there is like a 0.00000001% chance you might get a girlfriend! No guarantees, of course. But just listen to us females and trust us that everything will get better if you trust us, honestly.
Just because you think it is wrong does not make it wrong. You haven't been living my life in my body and you don't know shit. Oh yeah, what happened to #listenandbelieve? Shit, I forgot: it only applies to women, not low-tier men.
Shit, I forgot: it only applies to women, not low-tier men.
Check this out--
You know the "bonobos" that new age people talk about? They're not actually a supersexual peaceful monkey tribe. What actually happens is there is a chad monkey who has 90% of the sex. The beta monkeys sneak sex with chad's monkey girl when he isn't around and she is cool with that...
...where this gets interesting is that, while you never hear it, in bonobo societies the low status female monkeys assault the low status male monkeys and attempt to eat their fingers and toes so they can't grab food and die.
Researchers learned that if the bonobo low status males pushed back against the low status females, the males won socially, but that at first the low status males were hesitant because of fear of social ostracization--only when the females attacked the males were they forced to assert themselves.
tl;dr -- the low status women (and other men) here trying to hurt us do so from a place of extreme social poverty themselves.
Haha yeah I need to be a Casanova who fucks hourly to be able to say that you will get rejected for being ugly, there's no other way to know something that unintuitive
No matter what you say, these people won't digest a word of it. Hopefully they change, because going down the path they are they'll never truly be happy. However no reasonable person on Reddit is going to wake them up from fantasy land.
When talking about data gathered from online dating sites/apps, there is a HUGE disconnect from real life situations. ESPECIALLY for anyone not looking for a quick hookup.
Literally every virgin I've known in actual life did not struggle with females because he was a part of some 'toxic' online forum or because he called women 'roasties'
Many of us just discovered this subreddit too, fyi. It's an extremely recent thing in their lives. Many newer members have never thought or talked about incel culture until meeting a bunch of dudes who are in the same boat. Are they retrovirgins though? If at any point in the future, you join r/braincels, well that is why you were a virgin your entire life.
What about all the virgins who do find us, but find the blackpill talk too unpleasant, so they leave or go somewhere else like r/incelswithouthate.
No, there are only TWO commonalities between every single guy I've ever known who struggled with women:
They're ugly
They're not NT
And usually, it's a combination of both of these factors
Ah, the classic "I don't have an actual response, so I will respond to detailed statistics with a large sample size with my personal feelings and anecdotes" shit post.
I have not said I am a nice guy or called anyone roasties even once in my life irl. They're still not attracted to me. Because personality doesn't actualy exsist.
I know I'm shouting in the wind at this point but BODY LANGUAGE AND NON VERBAL COMMUNICATION ! Learn it. Use it. Your limbic system starts making a judgement call way before your eyes make you think "hot or nah"
You might have the personality of Jesus but if your body language shows "ugh" you have lost.
Will it work like Sex panther? No. But a great majority of the time non verbal is a massive edge.
Now of course the issue is how does someone who has had a shitty go of life get themselves to a point of "yes I will change my body language" well only going by my own wins.. I did it for work/business purposes. You meet a lot of people while working in many cases so if one utilizes the business magic of body language... usually that translates into building friendships that then lead to pathways of romance through your firends/colleague
Again. I know this isn't a cure all.. But at least it's better than "change your personality and get a haircut"
Sure you can't expect to be able to dress like a clown and get good things..but usually if you are going to work you won't have to worry about that...unless of course you are a professional clown. In that case I got nothing.
I'm not the best looking guy my friend. Short round face not fat but by no means an Adonis. I was very much unsuccessful in my worklife.. read up did some practice in body language etc and work life got much better and met my wife.. So again. Respectfully that's not always true.
I have no idea what you think is ugly but I can 100% assure you that I was absolutely NOT cat nip for the ladies. No GF in Hs. No GF in college...just got kissed by a drunk gurl at 19.
I respect your opinion of course since I don't know your life. My post was simply to offer something other than "Personality and haircut"
This graph is a very poor way to convey information and pretty visually confusing.
It looks like a basic 1-1 ratio here, meaning that profiles with and without text are all getting basically the same range of ratings, with no clear bias toward one or the other.
It's a scatter plot with a regression line having the regression equation removed. Funny they did that though, it's not like the coefficients matter anyway in this case: it's pretty much y=x. Come on, you can't get a simpler plot than that. You don't like the message it represents so you call it confusing.
That's a pretty willful misrepresentation of the idea of the original plot. : D Are you a politician perhaps?
How you got 6 upvotes for your comment, I don't know. Russian voting bots in effect, I guess.
It may just be me that found the graph confusing because it's such a weird thing to graph. There were probably better methods to convey the information.
So you are agreeing that it's pretty much a 1-1 representation, showing that there is little to no difference in how people rate based on whether or not they have a bio? How is that willful misrepresentation? That's just reading the graph. It doesn't matter what the IDEA of the original plot was if the data doesn't support that idea. And God forbid anyone disagree with you. It must be the work of Russian bots!
This post was so stupid that it made me depressed and I had to get 2 Monsters and a double bacon cheeseburger and so today became an unplanned cheat day.
1) Did you even read the two charts that you posted? The offline happened only because those were blind dates. If they had not been blind dates, the guys would have never had a chance.
2) Just because the women 'had a good time' does not mean that they would want a relationship with the guy. I have had tens of women as acquaintances or friends throughout my life, heard quite a few compliments and platitudes all along the lines of 'you are a great guy', 'coolest guy I know', 'there is somebody out there for you', 'you really aren't married and don't have kids yet?' and so on, but yet I am still a 32-year old KHHV.
Wrong about what? That women might tolerate ugly guys as friends or acquaintances, but would never let them fuck her except in a betabux scenario? Leave your fucking house and look around you.
Just because you think it is wrong does not make it wrong. You haven't been living my life in my body and you don't know shit. Oh yeah, what happened to #listenandbelieve? Shit, I forgot: it only applies to women, not low-tier men.
Women who are attracted to physically and emotionally abusive men are not healthy women. If you want to date an unhealthy woman just because she is attractive then you are not a healthy person either.
The simplest explanation for that graph is that people see an attractive person and because of wishful thinking assume they also have an attractive personality.
The overall belief here is that if you want an attractive woman as a partner for relationships or just sex, you have to be good looking, which is against the narrative that ugly people have equal chances, given they have a nice personality or ‘game’.
The amplified opinion that all women prefer good looking men over nice personalities seems to come from the recent rise in women’s standards on social media and dating apps. Also many people here have made real life experiences that are no less valuable than those of others and we should respect them.
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1 geneticSubhumanTrash 2018-03-13
Another damning plot from the same blog post: https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/0*d_Nf--H9Y4aeLAYU.png
1 Olao99 2018-03-13
Loool, the hypocrisy
1 Fudde 2018-03-13
Still won't stop them from bitching and moaning though.
1 whackcel 2018-03-13
Duh
1 vvvvvvvvvvv11 2018-03-13
I posted this graph along with my picture on r/amiugly and they silently removed my post.
1 PROLAPSED_SUBWOOFER 2018-03-13
They don't want the disadvantaged to know the truth.
1 Involuntarily 2018-03-13
Wow what a surprise
1 Claymore-2000 2018-03-13
neo is coming to hunt you down
1 --0001 2018-03-13
This is empirical evidence of the blackpill. Indisputable.
1 superman1145 2018-03-13
Looks is personality lmao
1 Mr-Mercedes- 2018-03-13
Your face is your personality.
1 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-03-13
roasties xxxposed for the lies they tell. We hate you more for the lies
1 Sniveling_Cur 2018-03-13
You won't find normtards in this thread
1 Lizzle372 2018-03-13
Hi
1 TelegraphGreen 2018-03-13
this kills the normie
1 iQ9k 2018-03-13
vintage meme
1 NeedinStitches 2018-03-13
Except your view of someone's looks can be altered by perceived personality as well as the other way around.
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-03-13
lmao
1 NeedinStitches 2018-03-13
Only to the person and that also depends on how strongly they value a 9/10's appaearance above everything else.
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-03-13
you actually made me laugh
1 pewgie 2018-03-13
They don't want to accept this fact.
1 NeedinStitches 2018-03-13
Clearly
1 Hopecel 2018-03-13
I agree but people first see your looks and make a judgement. Nobody gives an incel a chance.
1 NeedinStitches 2018-03-13
True. I'm not arguing against that. It seems to get worse as you get older as well if you're unattractive and don't have friends to help you out.
1 Hopecel 2018-03-13
Yea, I agree on that too. In high school girls aren’t as picky and guys can date up but after that girls become more and more picky.
1 NeedinStitches 2018-03-13
Yeah. It's unfortunate but in some cases it's understandable. People get more impatient as they get older so they expect perfection (or close to) right away.
1 Hopecel 2018-03-13
Omg you just reminded me that even if I miraculously get a gf I will be a social retard who doesn’t know how to act in a relationship because of no prior experience. That’s completely disregarding intimate stuff like kissing and sex. It’s over.
1 NeedinStitches 2018-03-13
Sorry. Also kissing is easy unless you're trying to use tongue.
1 Hopecel 2018-03-13
I wish you didn’t say the second sentence. Guess it’s time to cry myself to sleep now.
1 NeedinStitches 2018-03-13
I'm sorry. I thought it might help you to know that there are things you likely won't mess up.
1 PeppyHydra 2018-03-13
That's why so many ugly guys have girlfriends, because they have awesome personalities.
How delusional can you be to be this disconnected from reality?
1 NeedinStitches 2018-03-13
I'm not disconnected at all. Personality can affect how attractive someone is perceived to be. However they have to get given the chance to show their personality and that is where things get hard.
1 PeppyHydra 2018-03-13
At least you acknowledged that. Looks > personality.
1 NeedinStitches 2018-03-13
I disagree with looks > personality as a general rule because there are too many exceptions. 3/10 or below will find their looks are a hindrance, 7/10 and up will find their looks are helpful. The middle range won't find their looks doing either.
1 PeppyHydra 2018-03-13
I doesn't matter what you agree with. Facts like fucking statistics (see above chart) don't need opinions to validate them.
Looks > Personality. It's over for incels.
1 DryYard 2018-03-13
They should do a test with identical profile descriptions, et cetera. I doubt it would be much different though.
1 NeedinStitches 2018-03-13
That would be far less biased than this and wpuld be good for proving the halo effect. But I'm pretty sure the halo effect has been proven already.
1 geneticSubhumanTrash 2018-03-13
Stop hamstering: https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/0*d_Nf--H9Y4aeLAYU.png
1 frankwashere44 2018-03-13
Not when you discard those with bad looks off the bat. Their personality isn't a factor.
1 LORD-THUNDERCUNT 2018-03-13
Who Would Win?:
1 - r/IncelTears , a subreddit with over 57,000+ people
2 - One graphy boi
1 NerdWerl 2018-03-13
How many of them are active
1 Involuntarily 2018-03-13
0, they're too busy attacking internet virgins.
1 hugeostrichegg 2018-03-13
Make this a meme pls
1 genetic_scrap 2018-03-13
I'm a retard and don't know how to read graphs, but according to this graph, this tells me that looks are more important than personality, right?
1 armenianbirdcel 2018-03-13
worse than that. it says that they are basically the same thing
1 genetic_scrap 2018-03-13
I figured. The highest looks score and the higest personality score were the same distance away from the maximum of 5.
So yes, anyone who says that "personality matters" might as well be saying "looks matters".
...and the beat goes on.
1 Claymore-2000 2018-03-13
what does that mean?
1 armenianbirdcel 2018-03-13
the better looking a guy is the more a woman will think he has a good personality
personality = looks
1 Claymore-2000 2018-03-13
damn, that's harsh.
1 EvilBananaManRD 2018-03-13
It means on OkCupid personality is determined by looks, but looks are not determined by personality. Being very nice won't make more attractive but being good looking as fuck will make up for any defect you have.
1 genetic_scrap 2018-03-13
Makes perfect sense.
1 Sniveling_Cur 2018-03-13
Everywhere you shitbrain it's called Halo Effect
1 EvilBananaManRD 2018-03-13
You're not wrong
1 peaked2late 2018-03-13
Lol you realize that all this shows is that there is a relationship between looks and personality, right? It does not definitively prove that looks are responsible for a better perception of someone’s personality. In fact, this graph could easily be showing that your personality has a significant influence on how attractive you are perceived to be. All we know is that the perception of attractiveness and personality seemed inextricably linked. So someone who has a great personality is perceived to be better looking and vice versa. You’re only seeing one possible interpretation of this data when in fact there are many ways to interpret this.
1 imightstealyourdog 2018-03-13
Don’t use logic! I’m trying to prove I’m a virgin because I’m ugly, not because of my shitty personality
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-03-13
how do you explain Chris Brown and his wonder personality? Or Jeremy Meeks who cheated on his pregnant gf and left her?
1 Keysopenchests 2018-03-13
Do you have a point? There are a million chicks that would also fuck morbidly obese Big Pun who was a woman beater, or Pablo Escobar who killed thousands. Its already well documented that people will overlook some attributes they don't like for other attributes they like more.
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-03-13
so your agreeing that personality doesnt matter. Just looks, money, power.
1 Keysopenchests 2018-03-13
How can you say on one hand that personality doesn't matter but that money and power do. Where do things like intelligence or having a big dick factor in? Every attribute a person has matters to varying degrees for various people.
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-03-13
money and personality have nothing to do with each other. You can be a millionaire ass hole and get a line up of girls.
1 Keysopenchests 2018-03-13
Do power and personality have nothing to do with each other as well?
Of course personality and looks are related to money, and to suggest otherwise flies in the face of everything I know. The easier you are on the eyes or the easier you get along with people, the easier you will make money and obtain power, which we both can agree attract women.
If you are having trouble getting women I would assume you are also having trouble acquiring power and respect.
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-03-13
Your can be a powerful narcisstic asshole.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-03-13
Okay, you seem to be agreeing with that guy, then what's your problem?
1 xbenagiL 2018-03-13
bluepill
1 f9d8hv3sl 2018-03-13
I mean, the fact that a loser who gets gratification from trolling incels on the Internet can get laid only proves our point that personality doesn't matter.
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-03-13
lmao, so I guess a 9/10 chad turns into a 3/10 incel when he beats you and ignores your texts.
1 peaked2late 2018-03-13
Women who are attracted to physically and emotionally abusive men are not healthy women. If you want to date an unhealthy woman just because she is attractive then you are not a healthy person either.
1 throwaway192200 2018-03-13
You must be sweating from doing such intense mental gymnastics.
1 armenianbirdcel 2018-03-13
lol yes there's a "relationship" alright
1 geneticSubhumanTrash 2018-03-13
Stop hamstering: https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/0*d_Nf--H9Y4aeLAYU.png
1 peaked2late 2018-03-13
Yes, when you add additional data the interpretation can change. But the OP data on its own did not prove what you claimed it did in your title.
1 f9d8hv3sl 2018-03-13
Nope, it proves exactly that. Read the original study: https://theblog.okcupid.com/we-experiment-on-human-beings-5dd9fe280cd5
1 DrFeel_MD_PHD_NOGF 2018-03-13
https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/lol_idi_amin.gif
1 PhucCheet 2018-03-13
No, they're seeing the only possibly interpretation of the data that's left after Christian Rudder ruled out the alternate possibility with additional analysis.
1 peaked2late 2018-03-13
The key here is additional analysis. This graph alone proves nothing.
1 Involuntarily 2018-03-13
Sure. In reality most attractive women date ugly men. It's a very commonly known fact.
1 Carkudo 2018-03-13
Actually, since the halo effect is a well known phenomenon, whereas the reverse does not exist, that data is indeed solid evidence that looks improve personality but not vice versa.
1 TordYvel 2018-03-13
I want a photo of the outliers
1 PhucCheet 2018-03-13
The 1.5 looks 2.4 personality must be some suave public speaking guru or some doctor that saves blind underprivileged babies.
The real blackpill: there are more outliers below the line than above the line. A good-looking person can have an unattractive personality, but an ugly person is rarely seen as having a good personality. When bluepill tells you personality matters, it's because they're focused on the first type (douchey Chads) and ignoring the second.
1 TordYvel 2018-03-13
Excellent point
1 naturtok 2018-03-13
More attractive people have better personalities? Better personalities make you look more attractive? Better personalities lead to higher likelihood of getting laid and having kids leading to the majority of the population looking like the ancient ones that had the best personalities so our social idea of beauty stems from the ones who had the best personalities? Just sayin, correlations arent the full story. There's a correlation to deaths by drowning and nick cage films, that correlation doesnt mean anything. Wait...
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-03-13
read the original study
https://theblog.okcupid.com/we-experiment-on-human-beings-5dd9fe280cd5
Looks=personality not the other way around
1 naturtok 2018-03-13
I was being kinda facetious, but whatever. Given this data is from a dating site, the fact that an attractive picture is correlated with better perceived personality sortve makes sense. They themselves said that the picture was 90% of what users (both sexes) took into account when making their ratings (quantity over quality, aint nobody got time to read through a bunch of profiles when sex is on the line). Guna need a different study to go beyond online dating. All they really concluded was that people (both sexes) are super shallow on the internet if the internet gives them the opportunity to be.
1 PhucCheet 2018-03-13
Other psychology studies using controlled experiments (granted mostly on college students) reached the same results: looks skewed perception of personality, and women gave more weight to attractiveness in photos than character traits.
1 mindmonkey00 2018-03-13
You pretty much lost the argument by belittling his counter points just because you don't agree with them. Well done.
1 PhucCheet 2018-03-13
Huh? I countered his points. Science doesn't agree with him.
Did you mean to reply to his comment?
1 naturtok 2018-03-13
What is it with people always acting like evolutionary psychological is the end all be all of humans. Society has progressed far beyond lizard brain style thinking, if you took a sociology/psychology class youd find that basic sexual drive is rarely ever the only factor in play when a person decides who they want to be with.
1 Carkudo 2018-03-13
So find one. You can bitch and moan about invalid samples all you want, but your point of view isn't supported by any science or empirical evidence at all, so it's not like you have a bigger claim to legitimacy.
1 mindmonkey00 2018-03-13
I think it's your job to find one since you're the ones trying to sell a belief. You telling other people to look for something you're supposed to prove just shows you have absolutely no argument.
1 Carkudo 2018-03-13
Not to you though.
And why would it be my job to find evidence against what I believe is true? I'm open to being presented with such evidence and debating it to the extent that the other side is willing as well, but specifically looking for "studies" (not even actual research, just "studies") is... why would I do that?
1 naturtok 2018-03-13
Burden of proof is always on the one making the positive claim. Its not my responsibility to provide your references. Also, i do love how youre lecturing me on science. Its cute.
1 Carkudo 2018-03-13
Yep, and the one making the claim is you. The claim being "there is evidence countering your claim". The claims incels make are supported by a wide array of statistical and intepretative data, and that's in a world where generally such publications are discouraged and oftentimes censored. On the other hand, the counterclaims you make are supported by very little research, and what little research there is that can be spun into supporting your views is merely that - spun.
1 naturtok 2018-03-13
Lmao my claim is "your claim is bullshit"? That's not how this works. The base assumption is that there isn't an interaction, that's always how it is. Its assumed everything is normal until proven otherwise. You're claiming there is an interaction. You have the claim, you have the burden to prove the null hypothesis is incorrect. But whatever, I literally have nothing to gain here, so let's just say you win the proverbial internet argument trophy here and call it.
1 Hopecel 2018-03-13
You are retarded, boyo. In science you can’t simply discredit a study without valid reasons and ask for another study when your view doesn’t have a study to prove it. Why do I need to prove that looks are more important than personality but you don’t need to prove that personality is more important?
https://www.livescience.com/58607-mens-looks-may-matter-more-than-personality.html
1 naturtok 2018-03-13
I could be wrong, but i dont see anywhere that i said personality was more important. I see a lot of questionmarks and reiterating what was said in that (nonpeerreviewed, corporate, internal) study. I didnt "discredit" it for no reason. I qualified it as applying to situations within the bounds of study in the first place. If you knew anything about science, youd know the burden of proof is on the one making the claim. But what do i know, im just a microbiologist. You probably do know more than me about science.
1 Hopecel 2018-03-13
You claim that people on the internet are just shallow but it doesn't transfer to the real world? Haven't seen scientific proof that people behave different in the real world. I mean people exist irl and on the internet and most people don't use only one way of dating. I'd say this study more valid because it was done on the internet anonymously, where people don't fear social repercussions for being shallow.
I don't know why every proof that incels provide for their viewpoints gets shut down but normies never prove anything but their word is taken as the truth.
You should really stop this pathetic shit. For someone who studied a scientific field you are quick to fall victim of logical fallacies.
1 naturtok 2018-03-13
The internet and real life are kindve totally different. Like i dont know what else to say there. Your reasoning for why the internet is similar (or the internet being...more...applicable) to real life immediately discredits itself when you point out the glaringly obvious "people arent as shallow in person". I mean, theyre not even the same enough in the first place but something like that damages any argument someone could make about them being.
The reason a bunch of your studies keep getting shut down is maybe because the universe hates incels. Though it could be that you keep cherry picking studies to fit your personal experience, and extrapolating the results to make your own conclusions far beyond the boundaries of the study. I dunno though, I'm leaning on worldwide conspiracy.
1 Hopecel 2018-03-13
I said that people irl are less likely to be honest when it comes to things that would expose them as shallow because they fear social repercussions. Do I really need to find a study to prove this? They are still the same people as they are on the internet.
I have yet to see a single scientific peer reviewed study posted by a norman that proves their point but nothing an incel posts is ever good enough for reasons. I think people like to shit on incels because they expose the truth and the truth is harsh. People like to think that they all their "self-improvement" has lead to the point in life where they are now and not that the majority of their success came down to the lack of the draw. Normies here on reddit are much more willing to admit that looks play a huge factor in everything in life when someone who isn't recognized as incel says it. Take a look at this thread for example.
1 naturtok 2018-03-13
You've convinced me. You're fucked, guna be alone forever. My deepest condolences. I agree with you.
1 Involuntarily 2018-03-13
Given hookup culture at this age, I'd say looks are much more important.
1 naturtok 2018-03-13
Maybe to a degree. I dunno. If you want to participate in hookup culture then definitely. There are enough people in the world though that given enough searching, someone should eventually find someone. I mean, law of large numbers or whatever the stat term is. As long as the chance is greater than zero you just gotta brute force those numbers before you get a hit
1 Involuntarily 2018-03-13
A degree? How often do you see the unattractive men do well?
It's not that anyone wants to, it's just the way the world around us is. It's spread so that even monogamist relationships will still participate in hooking up looking for threesomes and cuckolding. Pareto's 80/20 law applies.
1 Tarkakibehen 2018-03-13
Men are the one who initiate cuckolding.
1 Involuntarily 2018-03-13
Maybe online. IRL? They're so scared of losing their relationship that it becomes something they accept.
1 rest_me123 2018-03-13
What’s so hard about accepting the simplest, most probable answer? Get over it.
1 naturtok 2018-03-13
Simplest, most possible answer is... What? There are enough exceptions to the "only hot people getting with hot people are in happy relationships" rule that seems to be fabricated here (correct me if that's not a good summary of the overall belief) that it's more simple to assume that there's more to the equation than "I'm not a 9/10 Chad so no girls will like me and 50% of the dating population that aren't in 9/10 matched with 9/10 relationships are just exceptions" (i don't even think anyone uses Chad genuinely anymore, but you know what I mean). Again, correct me if I'm wrong about the assumptions I'm making, I don't want to accidentally strawman here.
1 rest_me123 2018-03-13
The simplest explanation for that graph is that people see an attractive person and because of wishful thinking assume they also have an attractive personality.
The overall belief here is that if you want an attractive woman as a partner for relationships or just sex, you have to be good looking, which is against the narrative that ugly people have equal chances, given they have a nice personality or ‘game’. The amplified opinion that all women prefer good looking men over nice personalities seems to come from the recent rise in women’s standards on social media and dating apps. Also many people here have made real life experiences that are no less valuable than those of others and we should respect them.
1 naturtok 2018-03-13
Though it's worth saying correlation doesn't mean causation, Id concede what you're saying doesn't seem to be too off the wall. Good looks definitely help, I don't think I've ever (intentionally) said that that wasn't the case. I'd just argue that it's not a lost cause if someone is locked with non-socially-deemed-pretty bone structure or something. Though I guess it being a lost cause isn't what a majority of people are arguing? I dunno.
I guess I just keep seeing the far out loudest minority acting like total dickweasels calling women roasties and whatnot which tends to cloud my view of this sub since they complain about women not wanting to fuck them (claiming it's because of looks) followed by all out insulting them (it probably isn't the looks that put them off). But every group has their fringe groups. I'll try and be better at identifying fringe groups in the future though.
1 idgafmods 2018-03-13
Of course. Attractive people get more social practice because people want to talk to them. Even ugly pieces of shit like the people who sub here all want someone beautiful.
That's why pretty people have a lot of friends. The rich get richer.
1 morecrows 2018-03-13
The nicer you are the more attractive you are :)
1 iQ9k 2018-03-13
lmao got em
1 Involuntarily 2018-03-13
Ohhh he's such a nice guy!! I'm gonna date the "nice guy"
Get that shit out of here
1 GTMippey 2018-03-13
FYI women do go for “nice guys” over Chad in some cases. I’m one of them.
The real problem is that the majority of the people here aren’t “nice guys” either. Their attitude sucks and their refusal to change their stance on women based purely on how they perceive that other people see them and their own twisted world view (gained from the absolutely fucking toxic nature of this sub) means that they have nothing positive to offer in a relationship.
No, women won’t date you because of your appearance. You can make up for that in other areas. They won’t date you because you’re toxic. If you’re one of those people who hate women because they won’t have sex with you over Chad, you’re not a nice guy. End of story. Don’t call yourself a nice guy, then turn around and call women “femoids” or “roasties”.
Believe me when I say, the change you desire starts with yourself, and it’s up to you to go out and make your future what you want it to be. Don’t sit around on the Internet all day, especially on subs like this which reinforce negativity and killing yourself and are 100% to blame for any suicides that result from that. This is the last place you want to be.
Figure out what you want from yourself and make a positivite change before you even think about pursuing a relationship from anybody.
1 Zangano1 2018-03-13
Teehee
1 BlackDranzerAttack 2018-03-13
teheheheehhehehe
"I'm not like other girls"
Teheheehehehehehe
1 geneticSubhumanTrash 2018-03-13
Yep, when one of these threads goes up, there are always some statistical impossibilities claiming to be present. Where are you in the real life? Or is it actually that you actually date a guy in the 6..7 or range, but because he falls below the threshold of 8/10, you consider him to be ugly and therefore a "nice guy"?
No fucking shit. I would want to see your attitude when you have been rejected from society and bullied throughout your life because of your looks. I mean, 10+ years of that eventually takes a toll on your psyche. I'm 32 and made fun of since kindergarten by women and inventing reasons every day for not killing myself yet (currently it's because I'm waiting to see how https://www.fictionpress.com/s/2961893/1/Mother-of-Learning ends)
tl;dr: positive mental attitude and you just might make the cut to be beta bux!
Just become a billionaire, it's ezpz.
Translation: accept your lot in life and shut the fuck up, uggo.
Just lift your therapist in the shower and shave your teeth with the floss and there is like a 0.00000001% chance you might get a girlfriend! No guarantees, of course. But just listen to us females and trust us that everything will get better if you trust us, honestly.
Also, teehee.
1 jdc5294 2018-03-13
Amazing. Every single word of that rant was wrong.
1 geneticSubhumanTrash 2018-03-13
Just because you think it is wrong does not make it wrong. You haven't been living my life in my body and you don't know shit. Oh yeah, what happened to #listenandbelieve? Shit, I forgot: it only applies to women, not low-tier men.
2 sdfafsdaasfdsdfa 2018-03-13
Check this out--
You know the "bonobos" that new age people talk about? They're not actually a supersexual peaceful monkey tribe. What actually happens is there is a chad monkey who has 90% of the sex. The beta monkeys sneak sex with chad's monkey girl when he isn't around and she is cool with that...
...where this gets interesting is that, while you never hear it, in bonobo societies the low status female monkeys assault the low status male monkeys and attempt to eat their fingers and toes so they can't grab food and die.
Researchers learned that if the bonobo low status males pushed back against the low status females, the males won socially, but that at first the low status males were hesitant because of fear of social ostracization--only when the females attacked the males were they forced to assert themselves.
tl;dr -- the low status women (and other men) here trying to hurt us do so from a place of extreme social poverty themselves.
1 justforlulzandkeks 2018-03-13
I can't believe people type this unironically
1 mindmonkey00 2018-03-13
I can say the same for the person who has zero experience with women to start with.
1 behindcloseddoors1 2018-03-13
I don't have to play football to know the rules.
1 mindmonkey00 2018-03-13
Throwing a ball and human beings are two completely different things.
1 justforlulzandkeks 2018-03-13
Haha yeah I need to be a Casanova who fucks hourly to be able to say that you will get rejected for being ugly, there's no other way to know something that unintuitive
1 Involuntarily 2018-03-13
Wow it's like people have different experiences in life! Impossible
1 IncelSlayerZero 2018-03-13
I just can't take incelcucks seriously.
1 Wellsargo 2018-03-13
No matter what you say, these people won't digest a word of it. Hopefully they change, because going down the path they are they'll never truly be happy. However no reasonable person on Reddit is going to wake them up from fantasy land.
1 Involuntarily 2018-03-13
Wow you were right! The fantasy was shattered! I had in reality been a Chad who fucked all these women! Baby I'm back to reality.
1 geneticSubhumanTrash 2018-03-13
No fucking shit, the path was forced on us with our birth because of shitty genetics.
1 Sniveling_Cur 2018-03-13
LOL ikr it's like a graph based on thousands of data points means more than some random whore's virtue signalling
1 Wellsargo 2018-03-13
When talking about data gathered from online dating sites/apps, there is a HUGE disconnect from real life situations. ESPECIALLY for anyone not looking for a quick hookup.
1 foreignincel4 2018-03-13
lmao at IT "niceguys" upvoting this comment
1 timeout400 2018-03-13
make up your mind normans, geez
1 Involuntarily 2018-03-13
How do you think incels are made? Women are nice to him, so he hates them?
1 Mr-Mercedes- 2018-03-13
Imagine being this naive.
Literally every virgin I've known in actual life did not struggle with females because he was a part of some 'toxic' online forum or because he called women 'roasties'
Many of us just discovered this subreddit too, fyi. It's an extremely recent thing in their lives. Many newer members have never thought or talked about incel culture until meeting a bunch of dudes who are in the same boat. Are they retrovirgins though? If at any point in the future, you join r/braincels, well that is why you were a virgin your entire life.
What about all the virgins who do find us, but find the blackpill talk too unpleasant, so they leave or go somewhere else like r/incelswithouthate.
No, there are only TWO commonalities between every single guy I've ever known who struggled with women:
They're ugly
They're not NT
And usually, it's a combination of both of these factors
1 TheIncelPill 2018-03-13
Ah, the classic "I don't have an actual response, so I will respond to detailed statistics with a large sample size with my personal feelings and anecdotes" shit post.
I have not said I am a nice guy or called anyone roasties even once in my life irl. They're still not attracted to me. Because personality doesn't actualy exsist.
What a waste of time.
0 Ultramegasaurus 2018-03-13
Even fucking women themselves usually admit that being nice is not good enough for them.
1 BigFatDonna 2018-03-13
I know I'm shouting in the wind at this point but BODY LANGUAGE AND NON VERBAL COMMUNICATION ! Learn it. Use it. Your limbic system starts making a judgement call way before your eyes make you think "hot or nah" You might have the personality of Jesus but if your body language shows "ugh" you have lost.
Will it work like Sex panther? No. But a great majority of the time non verbal is a massive edge. Now of course the issue is how does someone who has had a shitty go of life get themselves to a point of "yes I will change my body language" well only going by my own wins.. I did it for work/business purposes. You meet a lot of people while working in many cases so if one utilizes the business magic of body language... usually that translates into building friendships that then lead to pathways of romance through your firends/colleague Again. I know this isn't a cure all.. But at least it's better than "change your personality and get a haircut" Sure you can't expect to be able to dress like a clown and get good things..but usually if you are going to work you won't have to worry about that...unless of course you are a professional clown. In that case I got nothing.
1 behindcloseddoors1 2018-03-13
I know I'm shouting in the wind at this point but NOBODY CARES ABOUT BODY LANGUAGE IF YOU ARE UGLY.
1 BigFatDonna 2018-03-13
I'm not the best looking guy my friend. Short round face not fat but by no means an Adonis. I was very much unsuccessful in my worklife.. read up did some practice in body language etc and work life got much better and met my wife.. So again. Respectfully that's not always true.
I have no idea what you think is ugly but I can 100% assure you that I was absolutely NOT cat nip for the ladies. No GF in Hs. No GF in college...just got kissed by a drunk gurl at 19. I respect your opinion of course since I don't know your life. My post was simply to offer something other than "Personality and haircut"
1 CptErection23 2018-03-13
ITT: but guys what about this extreme outlier I know? That proves the theory is wrong.
1 yoyohayli 2018-03-13
So this could mean one of two things: Either perceived personality gets better based on looks, OR perceived looks improve with better personality.
How exactly are you supposed to tell from this which one is true in any given sitiation?
1 geneticSubhumanTrash 2018-03-13
Stop hamstering: https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/0*d_Nf--H9Y4aeLAYU.png
1 yoyohayli 2018-03-13
1 geneticSubhumanTrash 2018-03-13
It's a scatter plot with a regression line having the regression equation removed. Funny they did that though, it's not like the coefficients matter anyway in this case: it's pretty much y=x. Come on, you can't get a simpler plot than that. You don't like the message it represents so you call it confusing.
That's a pretty willful misrepresentation of the idea of the original plot. : D Are you a politician perhaps?
How you got 6 upvotes for your comment, I don't know. Russian voting bots in effect, I guess.
1 yoyohayli 2018-03-13
It may just be me that found the graph confusing because it's such a weird thing to graph. There were probably better methods to convey the information.
So you are agreeing that it's pretty much a 1-1 representation, showing that there is little to no difference in how people rate based on whether or not they have a bio? How is that willful misrepresentation? That's just reading the graph. It doesn't matter what the IDEA of the original plot was if the data doesn't support that idea. And God forbid anyone disagree with you. It must be the work of Russian bots!
1 theaspiringfilmmaker 2018-03-13
I don’t understand this graph. Can someone explain it to me?
1 geneticSubhumanTrash 2018-03-13
The point is that how other people see your personality is pretty much determined by your looks. It does not even make a difference what you write in your profile: https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/0*d_Nf--H9Y4aeLAYU.png
1 shabusnelik 2018-03-13
What if it's the other way around as well? Personality also affects the perceived look. Being ugly definitely doesn't help though...
1 SSCbooks 2018-03-13
Note that these are the combined scores for men and women.
1 geneticSubhumanTrash 2018-03-13
This post was so stupid that it made me depressed and I had to get 2 Monsters and a double bacon cheeseburger and so today became an unplanned cheat day.
1) Did you even read the two charts that you posted? The offline happened only because those were blind dates. If they had not been blind dates, the guys would have never had a chance.
2) Just because the women 'had a good time' does not mean that they would want a relationship with the guy. I have had tens of women as acquaintances or friends throughout my life, heard quite a few compliments and platitudes all along the lines of 'you are a great guy', 'coolest guy I know', 'there is somebody out there for you', 'you really aren't married and don't have kids yet?' and so on, but yet I am still a 32-year old KHHV.
1 SSCbooks 2018-03-13
...So go on blind dates.
Obviously.
1 geneticSubhumanTrash 2018-03-13
So why the fuck do you even post this kind of stupid bullshit when you yourself know that it's stupid bullshit?
1 SSCbooks 2018-03-13
Because you're wrong, and you can't take hearing it.
1 geneticSubhumanTrash 2018-03-13
Wrong about what? That women might tolerate ugly guys as friends or acquaintances, but would never let them fuck her except in a betabux scenario? Leave your fucking house and look around you.
1 SSCbooks 2018-03-13
Without looking, do you remember what I said in the first comment?
1 geneticSubhumanTrash 2018-03-13
no, but probably something along the lines of 'looks dun matter jus go n approach her worked 4 me xd xd xd'
1 SSCbooks 2018-03-13
What do you think my opinion on incels is?
1 geneticSubhumanTrash 2018-03-13
that we are sewer trash and you are just condescendingly trolling us because you do not have anything better to do
1 SSCbooks 2018-03-13
No, not at all. Incels are suffering and it's incredibly cruel to mock them. A lot are outright mentally ill.
That's also why I think it's bad to tell them the situation is worse than it is, too.
1 NorINorAnyMan 2018-03-13
I didn't need the graph. This subreddit is proof enough on its own that good personalities are highly correlated with looks.
1 PROLAPSED_SUBWOOFER 2018-03-13
They don't want the disadvantaged to know the truth.
1 NerdWerl 2018-03-13
How many of them are active
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-03-13
Your can be a powerful narcisstic asshole.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-03-13
Okay, you seem to be agreeing with that guy, then what's your problem?
1 geneticSubhumanTrash 2018-03-13
Just because you think it is wrong does not make it wrong. You haven't been living my life in my body and you don't know shit. Oh yeah, what happened to #listenandbelieve? Shit, I forgot: it only applies to women, not low-tier men.
1 peaked2late 2018-03-13
Women who are attracted to physically and emotionally abusive men are not healthy women. If you want to date an unhealthy woman just because she is attractive then you are not a healthy person either.
1 mindmonkey00 2018-03-13
Throwing a ball and human beings are two completely different things.
1 hugeostrichegg 2018-03-13
Make this a meme pls
1 rest_me123 2018-03-13
The simplest explanation for that graph is that people see an attractive person and because of wishful thinking assume they also have an attractive personality.
The overall belief here is that if you want an attractive woman as a partner for relationships or just sex, you have to be good looking, which is against the narrative that ugly people have equal chances, given they have a nice personality or ‘game’. The amplified opinion that all women prefer good looking men over nice personalities seems to come from the recent rise in women’s standards on social media and dating apps. Also many people here have made real life experiences that are no less valuable than those of others and we should respect them.