How tall are you?

tour's over

Just shut the fuck up, Norman.

They're again trying to bait us into getting banned. Mods should delete this thread.

Do you live in canada??

Out of here numale

Read the title and already enraged.

Fuck off snoothskin.

^{^} one of the reasons why incels have a bad name

wow thanks for enlightening us. Now go away and stay go.

Sure, I'll stay go just for you

You will just get verbally abused here. Better to not offer any help at all, honestly.

hey, you should kill yourself you fat ugly pig. no one really cares about your story.

This has nothing to with incel culture you gross pig. now off you go

Most people here are pretty reasonable. The issue is that a LOT of people come here just to ridicule incels and make us feel even worse about ourselves than we already do, so when people come here talking about how they aren't incels, there's sort of an expectation that the ridicule and gratuitous insults will follow. There's even a whole subreddit dedicated to demeaning us.

I appreciate your post though and the absence of rants about how "everything is our fault" etc. You seem like a good person

Even before Incels there was r/Justneckbeazrdthings, r/niceguys, even r/cringe back in the day was dedicated to making fun of low status men (take a look at the types of pictures r/cringeanarchy's current front page is decorated, it was made back when cringeanarchy was basically cringe users who thought were tired of r/cringe's new anti-bulying rules that took them over a year to come up with), because low status men fill the role of society's punching bags.

None of those were making fun of low status men, they're making fun of atrocious social behaviour. Most often it's a man screaming at a woman because she nicely says she isn't into him.

Then take ForeverAlone. That place was the punching bag of reddit until incels showed up.

How exactly was it the punching bag of Reddit? Are you implying it changed after incels?

Well, people from all over reddit constantly brigaded the sub, shat on the people there and left, basically the same as here. Only difference was the supposed reason for it (FA being sad saps and incels being hateful, both of which are massive oversimplifications).

And yes, it changed (somewhat) after incels popped up since people had a new target. If incels went away, people would simply start shitting on FA again.

I never saw brigading and I used to go there quite a bit. Mods were quick to ban that behaviour.

Honestly I haven’t seen anything other than legitimate crucifying of awful things. Look at how much hate is in this sub, that’s what gets vilified. How much sexism runs rampant? One thread had a guy just absolutely shitting on a woman, creeping her profile and insulting her on everything. All because she gave some positive message to someone.

That’s what gets shat on. Nothing to do with “low status”, just “awful behaviour.”

I never saw brigading and I used to go there quite a bit. Mods were quick to ban that behaviour.

There's a reason why FA hates normies too. Those brigades (and the shit platitudes) are the reason.

Honestly I haven’t seen anything other than legitimate crucifying of awful things.

And I see lots of people from IT and the like also shitting on non hateful people here merely for being incels.

Look at how much hate is in this sub, that’s what gets vilified. H

Never said otherwise, still doesn't explain reasonable people like destiny-draw or Incelvester getting shat on for opinions they don't even hold.

One thread had a guy just absolutely shitting on a woman, creeping her profile and insulting her on everything. All because she gave some positive message to someone.

And that aint okay. However, shitting on people merely because they're here isn't either.

That’s what gets shat on. Nothing to do with “low status”, just “awful behaviour.”

Yeah, no. If that were the case, I wouldn't have a reason to hate inceltears.

Bias is a bitch, ain't it?

Foreveralone is almost because the focus of ridicule on Reddit. They are incels that lack the hatred, and barely anyone talks about them. I wonder why...

And for some reason they also hate inceltears.

Then why were they always white men?

Lol did you just also bring racism into this?

Man is the whole world against you or what?

So you can't answer the fucking question?

Why bring racims into anything? why talk about how black people are underprivileged? Is the whole world against your or what?

The point is, any target these bully subreddits go after is always a low tier white men, as if women are incapable of doing anything wrong and being shitty. And I can't believe I ot downvoted here for pointing out this blatantly obvious truth.

So you can't answer the fucking question?

Why bring racism into anything? Why talk about how black people are underprivileged? Is the whole world against you or what?

The point is, any target these bully subreddits go after is always a low tier white man, as if women are incapable of doing anything wrong and being shitty. And I can't believe I ot downvoted here for pointing out this blatantly obvious truth.

Ahaha ok. Sure. Definitely only white guys on places like /r/indianpeoplefacebook.

Women aren’t capable of doing anything wrong, there are whole subs for that. Women just generally aren’t the ones being thirsty and angry at men, at the same rate men do in those subs.

That sub is nowhere near as harsh. justneckbeardthings dehumanizes on a whole other level.

Maybe you feel that way because it affects you personally?

Look at the FUCKING POST COUNT on the FRONT FUCKING PAGE OF EACH SUB.

justneckneckbeardthings

indianpeoplefacebook

reddit treats the indians like they're a bunch of goofball weirdos who are funny to laugh at for failing so hard at having common social graces, but they actively despise the white neckbeards. They are less than human, it's not like they "don't know better" like the indians, it's that they are evil.

Look man, if you’re dead-set on Reddit’s ire being some plot by black people, nothing I say will convince you. I was trying to show it isn’t always just white people, but you want to show majority and qualitative anger, so it’s subjective. We’re on a website based on the US, popular with mainly Caucasian countries. Black people in the US tend to have better social skills on average, it’s part of their culture, that’s what I’d posit is responsible for a lack of black people on neckbeardthings and shit.

Sorry it’s affected you so, but I don’t think racism is the answer. I find neckbearding and niceguying hilarious regardless of race or gender. I’ve seen some girls on niceguy and cringe that are just as brutal as the guys on there.

Now you're playing the victim. I'm so used to the routine of dealing with you guys that's it;s not even entertaining anymore. I'm just wating for the "Bye, I hope you have a nice day" response that usually comes at the end, unless I continue responding to you with good points against your shitty arguments in which case you won't be able to help but continue responding to me.

I don’t think my arguments are shitty, and you’ve taken a subjective stance and so I have I. Not much more to resolve, unless you want to swear in caps some more?

I don’t think my arguments are shitty

Cool? No one thinks that about their own arguments.

Not much more to resolve, unless you want to swear in caps some more?

IIf you just want to attack the way I type instead of talk to me personally, that's cool too.

What's hilarious is this guy's trying to help you rather than hurt you and you're just being a dick. Are you even aware he is trying to help? Because we all know where this goes guys, it's rape fantasy and suicide all the way down. YOU have to help yourself, being the constant victim will net you nothing. And God it's gotta be boring talking about the same shit on these subs everyday.

Fun fact:girls take smelly shits. Stop putting them on pedestals, they're just like us.

"Trying to help me" lol, he's not entitled to have me listen to his shitty advice.

Why would there be a comparable number of posts about Indian people on a site that doesn't speak the language?

This makes no fucking sense, dude.

Nah, not if you're a complete idiot.

You'd have to be a complete idiot to agree with what you just said.

GOOD point

Yes, you said an idiotic thing that you'd have to be an idiot to agree with.

Sure thing

So you can't answer the fucking question?

Why bring racism into anything? Why talk about how black people are underprivileged? Is the whole world against you or what?

The point is, any target these bully subreddits go after is always a low tier white man, as if women are incapable of doing anything wrong and being shitty. And I can't believe I got downvoted here for pointing out this blatantly obvious truth.

So if someone has poor social skills it's a green light to mock them on the internet? Surprises me that the group of Reddit that claims that personality is so important has no problem with mocking harmless, but socially unaware guys on the internet.

Poor social skills are not the same as abhorrent social behavior. Go look at the top posts in those subreddits. Are those simply “low social skills”, or something much worse, and often filled with malice?

It's a mix of both. If some guy is being a dick purposefully, then I have no problem. But what about the below link?

https://www.reddit.com/r/justneckbeardthings/comments/83sp75/the_virgin_triforce/

These guys are getting called "virgins" and are being made fun of because they are doing cosplay. Like wtf? Who cares? Don't you think it's kind of inconsiderate to put up someone's picture on the internet and call them a virgin (used in a derogatory way here) because of their hobby, that affects no one else? Keep in mind, I found this picture on the front page of the subreddit in like 3 seconds of search. I've looked at the subreddit before and have seen a lot more like this one.

I only agree with things on r/niceguys, since it does make fun of bitter guys claiming to be nice. But the link you posted is just mean.

There are a lot of obnoxious people on reddit, just like every community, and most just follow a mob mentality to mock everyone remotely fit into those category to feel better about themselves.

I agree completely. Really tells you a lot about human nature.

Yeah, there's sub making fun of good looking and their stupidity. It's almost like some people on here search for victim status. Read my other comment if you want to get out of this cycle. It doesn't get better guys.

Cringe anarchy is basically an alt-right sub now.

Most of reddit are low grade normies making fun of the guy on the bottom of the social totem pole. Outside of reddit are ppl who make fun of redditors. Most of the big reddit communities consist geekdom and fandom but are in denial of their loser status so they cope by kicking those more unfortunate.

Where do you hide the bodies? Under the floorboards?

my mother being a gypsy

My condolences.

Keep being nice it works anywhere and it benefits everyone

You sound like a cool guy. Maybe on a future road trip I'll stop by and we can have a beer. I wish I had a group of nerd friends.

you're a denialcel

now we have serial killers?!! this sub is truly over.

i feel like this is a defense of being a serial killer ...

GET EM' BOYS!

it was a joke :P

Stacies, Chads and normies hate us because we reveal the truth. They think their dating lives and romantic successes are achievements, somehow. It's because they think they improved themselves and they hate to think it's nothing to do with their vapid and shallow personalities and all to do with their looks, because it takes all their credit away. Pathetic

I think most people would agree that physical attraction matters in relationships. Of course it does. The problem for some seems to be that if you have difficulty finding someone who finds you attractive, you never will. And that's just not true. That's the beauty of the human species, there's so much variation in what people find attractive. Sometimes you get dealt a rough hand and that really sucks. But that doesn't mean the luck of the draw is the fault of others, or that others owe you anything (like sex or relationships). It just means you have the unlucky task of having a harder time of it.

That's the beauty of the human species, there's so much variation in what people find attractive.

This was believed for years, but studies confirm there's a cluster of traits that women tend to find more attractive in men. These traits are what incels refer to as "Chad". There is always individual variation, outliers to the trend, but most women prefer those traits.

But that doesn't mean the luck of the draw is the fault of others

Most incels are not blaming anyone else for their looks (other than their parents, maybe).

or that others owe you anything (like sex or relationships)

Most incels do not think they are OWED sex or relationships. In fact, BlackPill is the opposite. It says what incels are owed is rejection, due to looks. Incels may obsessively long for sex and complain about how others get to enjoy relationships, but they don't think they're owed them.

studies confirm there's a cluster of traits that women tend to find more attractive in men.

Could you provide your sources? There is definitely a norm for what people find attractive. And it changed slightly over time. But as I said, variation is key. For example, many women like tall man. My unique variation there is that I do not like tall men. I much prefer men below 6'. My boyfriend is 5'8 and I still think it's too tall and wish he were shorter.

That's the beauty of the human species, there's so much variation in what people find attractive.

This was believed for years, but studies confirm there's a cluster of traits that women tend to find more attractive in men. These traits are what incels refer to as "Chad". There is always individual variation, outliers to the trend, but most women prefer those traits.

But that doesn't mean the luck of the draw is the fault of others

Most incels are not blaming anyone else for their looks (other than their parents, maybe).

most women prefer those traits.

Sure. That's why I said sometimes you draw shit cards. No one's fault though. That's just the luck of the draw, and some people have to try harder.

Most incels are not blaming anyone else for their looks (other than their parents, maybe).

Maybe not for their looks, but in my experience in conversations here and at the defunct /r/incels, many incels do blame women and society for caring about those looks and being attracted to certain features. There's variation, of course. Not all incels are that way. But many are. I cannot change what I'm attracted to. No one can help the features they find attractive.

Most incels do not think they are OWED sex or relationships.

I'm glad to hear that. That has not been my experience, but perhaps I've come on bad days. I've been told by some incels that I should be raped or that it's my duty to go out and sleep with virgins. I do not wish to be raped, and I'd personally like to choose my sexual partners based on the traits that I personally find attractive. For instance, the traits I find most attractive about my boyfriend are that we nerd out about the same things (Harry Potter got us together, but we just got into dnd together and it's been really fun), how good and attentive a father he is (he has full custody of his daughter), how we can talk for hours with it just feeling like minutes, and his ass and arms are nice too. I don't want to have sex with just anyone. I want to have sex with someone who makes me happy and makes me feel connected. So I'm glad the majority of incels agree it's my right to choose my sexual partner, and that there's nothing wrong with basing that selection on the traits that I personally find attractive. I'm just sorry that there's a minority of individuals who feel differently and call me a cunt, femoid, or cum-dumpster for simply being attracted to what I'm attracted to. They might be a minority, but they have been unfortunately quite vocal.

That doesn't mean they can't wish they had it.

And they shouldn't stop wishing! But they also shouldn't stop trying. I'm not a particularly attractive woman. I'm 32, infertile, a little overweight (~20lb overweight), and my features are a little masculine. I've never been a feminine woman. I own two dresses and wear them less than once a year. I don't wear makeup or do my hair, etc. But I'm a catch in other ways. I'm getting my PhD in statistics, I'm funny, I love to play video games, and I'm fiercely loyal to my friends and partners.

I tried dating over the summer and failed miserably. 20 dates and they were almost all disasters (made one friend!). Some of them misrepresented their appearance (by up to 150lbs). Some of them were really attractive, but I didn't like their personalities. Some of them were great and I felt a connection, but they didn't. One of them stood me up. One of them tried to use me to cheat on his girlfriend. It was frustrating. Thank God I have a coffee/tea-only rule for first dates, so it wasn't too expensive, but it was time consuming and I didn't succeed.

It took about 4 months of active looking before I found someone I connected enough to want to date and sleep with. It's tough out there when you're unattractive. And I will fully admit it is easier for women, so it might take more than 4 months of active looking. But the search is worth it. The companionship is worth it. And of course, in my particular dating situation I lucked out and my partner lucked out (in that he found me online in his first week back into dating). He's way out of my league but for some reason he's attracted to me. Doesn't make sense to me, but I'm not gonna question it!

Thanks for engaging in this conversation with me. I appreciate hearing your insights into the community and incel experience.

I've been told by some incels that I should be raped or that it's my duty to go out and sleep with virgins.

These are extreme cases. Yes, some guys say that unfortunately. Most do not. r/IncelTears loves to cherrypick all the worst cases and ignore the fact that the majority of posts are not like that, so it can create the perception all incels think that way.

I'm just sorry that there's a minority of individuals who feel differently and call me a cunt, femoid, or cum-dumpster for simply being attracted to what I'm attracted to.

Yes, many incels use offensive language. Most who do so are just angry and jealous that you and your boyfriend get to experience love, intimacy and sex while they never have in their entire lives. It's a lonely and depressing existence without love.

That depression and bitterness leads them to lash out sometimes. But even most who use words like "femoid" and "cum dumpster" don't think they're entitled to your body. They don't think you SHOULD be attracted to them, owe them sex, or should be attracted to anything different. They're just angry that you are.

If anything, Blackpill is all about accepting that is just what you are attracted to and there's nothing we can do about it.

I tried dating over the summer and failed miserably. 20 dates and they were almost all disasters .... It's tough out there when you're unattractive. And I will fully admit it is easier for women, so it might take more than 4 months of active looking. But the search is worth it.

When incels get angry at women over this, I think it's because you just don't understand how much harder it is for men. It's not just that it might take more than 4 months of active looking to find love. Most incels haven't found 20 women to agree to go on a date with them in 4 YEARS, even 20 disasters. The idea of 20 dates with ANYONE, even the ugliest of the ugliest, in 4 months is completely foreign. That seems impossible, Chad-like. Most incels might get one first date a year, if that, and then she rejects him. Many can't even get one first date.

You consider your dating experience failing miserably. Imagine spending a year trying to date without getting a single date. Not even a disaster. Nothing. Radio silence. Not from having high standards. Even the 300 lbs women don't want to go out with you, while you have spent all year in the gym maintaining healthy BMI and healthy body fat %.

I tried making a Tinder profile once. Out of 10,000 right swipes, I got 1 match. She was 300 lbs. We chatted a bit. We had a date scheduled but she ghosted. I couldn't even get a single date.

That's what failing miserably at dating looks like.

Most do not.

I'm really glad that's the case. I haven't really had any incels step up in the comments and express that such language is not appropriate. Do you have any suggestions for how I might best react to folks like this? Or how the community could be encouraged to stand up against it? Because it's assholes like that that make you all look like far worse people than I assume you are.

But even most who use words like "femoid" and "cum dumpster" don't think they're entitled to your body.

I'm not sure that's true. I don't think either of us can see what's in their hearts or minds. Some of the PMs have made it quite clear that they feel entitled to my body. But again, variation. Some do, others don't. It's clear you don't, which I appreciate!

Blackpill is all about accepting that is just what you are attracted to and there's nothing we can do about it.

I think acceptance is incredibly important. But accepting your deficiencies doesn't mean there's nothing that can be done. It just means other strategies might be more effective.

I think it's because you just don't understand how much harder it is for men.

No one can know what other people truly experience. I did admit that it's easier for women, that's just one of those shitty realities. But I should mention that it took lots of active looking and saying yes to every single date request to get to that 20. That's the most dates I've had in my entire life! I've been on 29 total first dates, 20 of them during that summer span. I should also clarify it wasn't a total of 4 months. It was 3 months over the summer and then another 4 months (with no dates but active looking) until I met my current boyfriend, so 21 dates in 7 months.

Most incels might get one first date a year, if that, and then she rejects him. Many can't even get one first date.

I've gone up to four years without a date (while actively trying). I've been stood up by someone who was 300 pounds (looks like we have that in common!). I get it. I've twice tried to have casual sex with a male acquaintance and been told by both that they weren't interested. One's reply was "nah, I'm good." And I had thought he was just shitty enough to have low enough standards to fuck me. Alcoholic, ugly, smells bad, obsessed with all things Asian, etc. But he said "nah, I'm good." Shit sucks. I can appreciate that.

One of the things I'd like to ask you about is a trend I've noticed in our conversation. In a few instances, you've implied that incels are quite varied and that only a few represent the negativity I've experienced. I think that's great, and I think you're probably right. Do you think that women have the same kind of variability?

Do you think that women have the same kind of variability?

Have I ever said all women are the same?

I think that's great, and I think you're probably right.

I bring it up both because it's true and because it's very hypocritical when "normies"/outsiders come here criticizing incels for generalizing about all women, but in doing so make generalizations about all incels. It's the same fallacy. If they want to impose their values on this community, they better be prepared to actually practice those values themselves!. Otherwise their position has no ground to stand on and they should just stay in their own worlds and mind their own business.

I appreciate your willingness to be more open-minded about the way you approach, view and treat incels. I also appreciate your willingness to engage in discussion.

But accepting your deficiencies doesn't mean there's nothing that can be done.

It depends. If your deficiency is weight, much can be done. Many incels here call the fat incels "volcels", not considering them true incels. Fat people can lose weight and look better. In 2018 there are enough different tools for young men to lose weight and get fit. It's fixable if you try.

Other things aren't. You can't change your race, height, penis size, bone structure, deformities, autism, or other rare genetic quirks (e.g. chronic health problems). Nothing can be done. All you can do is learn to accept these things as they are and the consequences that come with them. Incels cannot do anything about their most unattractive features. They will never be able to live a life like Chad. They have to hope they find an outlier woman who doesn't care.

saying yes to every single date request to

I've never even gotten a date request. How does a guy even get one? Maybe the best thing you could do to help incels is encourage your female friends IRL to initiate more messages with guys, and encourage them to be open-minded about messaging different guys, not only a few very hot ones. (Please don't misread this as me saying women aren't allowed to have choice or that they have to be attracted to everyone, because that's not what I'm saying).

I've gone up to four years without a date (while actively trying). I've twice tried to have casual sex with a male acquaintance and been told by both that they weren't interested. I should mention that it took lots of active looking..

Interesting. Why do you think you got 0 dates over 4 years and 20 dates in that one summer? If you were actively trying the whole time, there must have been something different about your approach or your attractiveness that one summer compared to the other years, something that explains that huge difference in results. What did you do differently? Would you mind sharing? Maybe it could help us understand.

No one's ever offered me casual sex. If my female friends were ever desperate like you were that time, they must have found someone shitty enough to have low standards but not as shitty as me.

As a low-value male, how can I be someone a friend might consider "just shitty enough" to fuck? I'll never be her dream guy, but maybe I could be that.

I don't think anyone seriously claims that looks aren't a factor. This is a strawman the people here use to claim that personality doesn't matter.

Stacies, Chads and normies hate us because we reveal the truth.

Or it's because you are hateful losers...

Where was the hate in my comment? And you think calling me a loser is going to change my opinion?

Are you a mongoloid?

Where was the hate in my comment : "vapid and shallow personalities... Pathetic"

Adjectives are hate words now. How far can PC culture go? No swearing in a simple explanation comment, still classified as "hate". There's no winning against normies. It's over

I don't know it just seems a bit ridiculous to say that ANYONE who's in a relationship is vapid and has shit personalities. I may not be incel but I was single for 4 years from 18-23. I worked really hard to make myself into someone people might like to be with, and things are different now. I may not be short, but I started balding at 16 and have always been one of the fattest people I know, hairy, and definitely not good looking. I thought I'd die alone 2 years ago, now I live with my wonderful girlfriend and am happier than I ever thought I could be. I don't pretend to know what it's like to be in you guys' situations but I hope that at least some of you can go through something like I did. I'm still fat, hairy and balding, but I changed my attitude and my behaviour. I had nothing left to lose, so I tried faking confidence. Now that we're together, I can be completely and utterly myself.

I have been crushed, crushed, by women before, and I know how badly it hurts. But there are good people everywhere, and by walling yourself off into a mentality that ALL women hate you, you respond to behaviours they might not even have, pre-empting their hatred. This makes you look bitter, angry and callous. Which you may well be. But there are plenty of women out there who feel the same about men. I just would hate for you guys to give up like I nearly did at 22. If I had, I'd never have become the person I am today. The person I'm happy to be.

Good luck guys. Sorry if this feels condescending to you; I just wanted to share a (hopefully) hopeful story with you guys and remind you that however bleak it looks, you don't know what next year holds.

Cool story bro.

You found the unicorn. You're the 0.0000001%. Take joy in that. Also you must have a 10/10 face or be above 6 foot.

I hope it's a bigger percent than that. It can't just be me. I'm really not good looking, I'd say 3/10 but maybe I could push 4-5 as I'm lucky I can hide behind a reasonably full beard these days. I can't help the fact I'm over 6 foot, and I'm sorry for the shit hand short guys get dealt. Anyone denying height preference for women is lying. However I can name 3 close friends under 5'8 in long term relationships with lovely girls, and in 2 of these cases the women are taller than the guys. I'm not saying this is the norm everywhere, I'm saying if you think it's impossible, and act as if you have no chance before you begin, you're just setting yourself up for failure.

I hated myself and never thought anyone would want to be with me. And guess what, they didn't. I started therapy, dealt with some tough issues. I started pretending that they might actually want to be with me, and acting like I really believed I had something to offer, and guess what, I started getting more attention. Even if you feel worthless, don't act worthless. Channel Chad and fake it til you make it.

I know this is just your place to vent so if you think I'm just full of shit I'll shut up. I just KNOW I could so easily be dead by now, or just another incel venting here. Personally I think surrounding yourself with positivity might help more than an echo chamber, but I'm not one of you and I don't judge you for being lonely and angry. The people here who idolise Elliot Rogers can get fucked, but the ones who are just sad and lonely... I'm just sorry your lives are in this state, at least for the moment. I hope things get better for you, and for all of you. And that doesn't just mean P in V. It's the connection that comes with relationships that's missing, IMO. Just seems like that's become focussed on the actual physical act.

Anyway I'll stop rambling now. Good luck to all of you and have a good day

I wish all normies could be as kind hearted and polite as you, man. You're a success story, but if you crawled out of this pit, you never really hit rock bottom to begin with.

For some people there is nothing that can be done. These people are incels. "It's over" isn't just a joke, it's the sad realization that comes with growing up incel. For all of us here I want you to enjoy your life as much as you can, man.

Yeah, I don't think it helps anyone to come in here and mock people pointlessly. I'm sure you'll agree that there are some scary posts in incel subs from time to time that deserved to be called out. Those idolising killers and advocating violence just bring more trolls in. I think inceldom is just hard for people to comprehend. I'll just leave you with this:

I fixed my life and put a big dent in my depression and anxiety. I felt better about myself. I felt better about my life. Then I started being more successful with girls. I quit smoking weed every day, I left my dead end minimum wage job and took an unpaid internship that has helped my career massively and where I can use my skills, and I started being more social with friends and colleagues. The point is, I was happy BEFORE I broke the dry spell. My happiness and confidence stopped being fake, and I realised I actually could be a fun and positive person to be around. It's infectious and people respond to it.

A girl I didn't really like and wasn't attracted to at work started flirting with me. I was still so desperate for affection that we hooked up and started seeing each other. 30 days into my first relationship in 4 years, I broke up with her. It wasn't the sex I wanted, it was a human connection. We had nothing in common - I hated her music taste, she didn't read books, wasn't well educated and was very immature. There was a girl I really liked at my work and I wanted to make a move even though I didn't know if she felt that way about me, but I am not and never will be a cheat, so I ended it with the first girl.

I realised that for me, 'having a girlfriend' and 'getting laid' are not what's important. What's important is being happy. I knew there was a chance that the girl I wanted to ask out wouldn't like me, and I'd just end up alone after I broke up with the first girl, but I needed to take the risk.

I'm not saying I don't like sex / relationships or that they don't contribute to my happiness. I'm saying if you can find peace with your lot in life and make the most of it, it can help bring the other things you want within reach. Just getting laid won't fix all your problems - otherwise you could just sleep with a prostitute and be happy as anything. Fix what you can and accept what you can't. Try to find happiness within yourself and you'll make it easier for others to find it in you.

You seem very level-headed. I hope things look up for you soon. I would recommend that you spend less time talking to other incels, and maybe more time speaking to 'unicorns' as you put it, who have escaped. It's not easy but it's not impossible.

Have a good one.

wtf does this dude have -15 when he's just explaining his side!?

common guys ...

As I said. My comment triggers them, because it's poking at their insecurities. It makes them panic that they're as transparent as glass.

Downvotes - bc "vapid and shallow personalities... pathetic"

I'm trying to be impartial here but something about this comment makes me believe it's satirical.

Not satirical. Just my honest opinion. But apparently having an opinion that's not mainstream is "hate" nowadays.

Just lol @ this society. It's over for incels.

But you do hate them, don't you? In addition to having a different point of view about how relationships work.

I don't hate FHOs. I only pity them because they are just as much a victim of the system as we are, just that we have it so much worse.

I pity them because it must be terrifying to have a ticking biological clock of self worth. When women hit the wall, they lose 90% of their worth. And that must be scary. But instead of doing anything about it, the FHOs just use it to their selfish advantage.

Although you say you don't hate them, your comments are extremely demeaning to an entire category of people, that's what make it hate speech. Another characteristic of hate speech is using terms that attempt to dehumanize a group of people, such as FHO. There are ways to talk about experiencing discrimination in a beauty obsessed society without using hate speech.... but you are using hate speech. I imagine this sub uses the FHO/All Women language to make your experience less painful, but the flip side of that is that any chance of having a discussion about appearance-based discrimination is sabotaged.

attempts to dehumanize them, such as FHO

Female Human Organism.

Humanoid - semi human, human like.

Amen brother. This post is being brigaded. The mods should delete it.

Do you think an incel has a moral obligation to help a woman being raped?

lol they are not entitled to our help.

REMINDER that anybody helping a foid who is not a relative of yours in this situation is cuckery of the highest order.

I feel sorry for you man

pls don't, only a cuck would get killed helping a femoid.

Femoids have been mean to me my entire life, fuck them.

The fucks a femoid?

Rape is an extreme example to use though. Women aren't entitled to our help but rape is bad example.

Why?

Not incels. No one has a moral obligation for helping anyone during a crime. Cucks and women feel they have an obligation, but are too weak to take action anyways.

https://np.reddit.com/r/IncelTears/comments/83kz4o/on_his_post_about_how_girlfriends_are_obsolete

Look at this post. The picture is a thread I made.

All they do is make fun of us. I replied to many in the comments, nobody could dare respond.

They think they're big but can't handle confrontation or having their baseless arguments deciphered so they must use an echo chamber to be effective.

You're blaming an entire gender for the way a couple have treated you in the past. Ignore them, for woman are as flawed as men, the neckbeard girls are just harder to spot. One thing I learned about incels is that a lot of you guys aren't ugly, morbidly obese, or covered in acne. I think some of you have some body dysmorphia that chooses to show itself by you attacking others. Honestly, I'd say most of yall could get laid or find a relationship if you weren't so far up your damn asses. So much drama, so much self inflection, no wonder people don't want to date you.

Here's the thing, you can work on this shit. Some of you can lower your standards a bit so that you're not just chasing 9s and 10s. And one big thing that helped me personally, that girl you obsessed over for years? She has to take painful shits just like you sometimes. She farts, she does everything you do. In other words, stop differentiating yourself from women, they're you as well! Putting women on a pedestal robs them of this, it makes them an object. And women don't like to be objects, they sneeze nasty green stuff out their nose as well. They are us and we are them. The faster a lot you realize that, the quicker you'll realize that it's not your flaws holding you back, but how you've been approaching them.

Here's a tip Ill leave you with. If you are the type of person to fall for someone when they're nice to you, watch that shit and cut it out. That helped me a lot, maybe it won't help everyone but it will help some.

And knock of the depressed cynicism, it's tiring to anyone you talk to. Hope this helps.

-guy who lost his virginity at 20.

Well the thing is I don't walk around in pubic spewing what I think about women and I don't use 4chan language.

I only wear tailored fit button up dress shirts, a nice tie, a cutting edge haircut, well fitting optical glasses, perfectly fitting khakis, and my favorite (and crisp, might I add) Jordan's that I bought for myself this month. I also have a gold Tudor watch and a 24k gold bracelet. Currently don't have my amg but I live in the heart of downtown in the city and live at uni so no need for a car so whatev.

I stand with proper posture.

NONE of this means ANYTHING when I have the nose I have, sandpaper skin, and just in general a serial killer complexion.

I realize they are similar. I don't put it on a pedestal, I put it in the trenches of earth. If women had a lot more to offer than their holes and immodest Instagram pictures then I really wouldn't be complaining.

I love how you brag about a watch and a non existent car... But women are the shallow ones that are "just holes".

You're single because you're an asshole. You know that, right?

Poly is right. You're single because you're a self-absorbed dick.

How am I self absorbed dude?

You're only considering my unchanged thoughts and feelings. You probably won't even believe that I am a normal person irl.

I open the door for other women, I press which floor they want on the elevator, I give them cigarettes when they ask to bum one.

No I don't expect it to get me laid. It's just the basis of what you're supposed to do.

Believe it or not, I have a couple normie friends and I've observed a few parties.

I'm a social outcast dude. When people look at my face they're genuinely disgusted, you just wouldn't understand.

I'm curious as to what you look like. It cant possibly be that bad!

http://cimg1.ibsrv.net/cimg/www.doityourself.com/600x400_100/777/sandpaper-sized-11777.jpg

My skin looks literally just like that once my 5 o clock shadow comes in. Otherwise when I'm shaved you can see the scars that cover my cheeks (got into like 5 dog attacks when I was younger, had surgery twice)

Maybe I'm just naive but I've seen plenty of ugly guys with girlfriends that are pretty cute. I feel like you guys have given up and that makes things worse.

Well 9/10 times those girls don't actually give a fuck about them.

Just read /r/adultery. That's your average "sexually liberated" feminist.

Can your nose be fixed by surgery, if you got that kind of money? Or are we talking "that guy with the wide nose" type of bad?

It's literally like a right triangle. It's just abnormally sharp and long, not that thick thank God

I'm not bragging, I'm just putting it into perspective for people who think I'm a fat obese neckbeard. I fill in that brilliant figure that capitalism tells us. "Wear this cologne, drive this car, wear these shoes". I'm supposed to be the ideal man ,or so I was raised to believe.

Some people just fucking refuse to believe that my 2/10 coral reefed skin and face permanently banished me from people wanting to be near me. I'm only 19 too. You think this shit is going to wear off at 30? Yea, for a used up damaged goods femoid. I mean, I'm incel, but I'm not going to drop every single one of my standards justto please you people.

The world is cruel. It will beat your to your knees and life goes on. Even as the entire world abandons me I stay optimistic. I pray to Allah every day, he is the only one I have left.

Just about every single person except a few incel friends all hate me.

Forget it man. You have no chance in life to find a nice proper woman. And the reason is not your looks, it's because you sound like the biggest asshole.

No, I just hang out on this forum on this account to vent.

Normally you can catch me on /r/watches /r/welding /r/woodworking being a normal person with interests.

Calling me a hypocrite is one of the most ironic things ever.

Is there anything else beginning with "W" that you enjoy?

/r/watchpeopledie

IS did nothing wrong

Christ you're such a whore

I'm not a whore.

This is so cheese. Can you say more than 4 words at a time? Use your vocabulary

Okay, lady here... I’m gonna tell you I honestly didn’t feel repulsed by anything you said until you started bringing up money and assets. Yuck. Idgaf who you are, if you try to impress me with your “stuff” I’m just going to laugh in your face. To be serious, for me at least, I find the better a personality the more attractive the person is. I’ve literally met guys before that initially I thought unattractive, but as I got to know them found them attractive or desirable.

I'm not even bragging JFL. I'm making a point that I dress well and take care of myself, as to make a counterpoint to people who would pull the "just dress nicer bro, you can't dress in cargo shorts anymore"(I don't and never)

Why would you think a guy is unattractive before talking to him? Everyone of you women are judgemental. You don't even know me but you talk like you do.

Everyone of you women are judgemental

I want you to reflect on this and look at the other things you believe about women.

You can find someone unattractive, it doesn’t make you a bad person. Like it’s been stated in this thread before, obviously looks have to do with attraction as well but it’s not solely based on that.

Yep

None of that means anything if you have a toxic attitude and a cynical viewpoint on women. Christ sometimes I think I’m a touch insensitive when I’m dealing with people but you make me sound like me Rogers with how you think about women. Yes, some women praise looks over anything else, but some also just want to hang with a cool and funny person, who treats them with a BASIC level of respect. It’s not hard to do that if you just try and change you’re mindset, which will take time and discipline. But hey man, if not that’s not your cup of tea, then do you.

I would hang out and give them respect but 95% of them don't even respect themselves.

Currently don't have my amg but I live in the heart of downtown in the city and live at uni so no need for a car so whatev.

so a rich kid?

NONE of this means ANYTHING when I have the nose I have, sandpaper skin, and just in general a serial killer complexion.

bahahahahahaha

If women had a lot more to offer than their holes and immodest Instagram pictures then I really wouldn't be complaining.

you telling me a spoiled rich kid can't pick up a chick or three? i'm a bit shocked tbh. like i feel like so much of what society told me is just a blatant lie.

Dude, I literally took a picture displaying my bitcoin wallet for tinder and I had professionally photographed pictures for it. ONE "MATCH".

She didn't respond. Yes, I am literally THAT ugly that no amount of wealth could save me. I want someone to cut my nose off so I can wrap my face in bandages every day and get actual sympathy points. Yes, being physically deformed is actually preferable.

If youre a good dude people dont care what you look like, even if you have a weird nose. I have a pal whos a 5 but gets more women than anyone else because hes a genuine and charming guy. If people wont give you the time of day because you arent attractive, they probably arent people you want in your life anyway.

Your genetics arent limiting you, its your outlook. Life doesnt have to be so heavy all the time, lighten up a bit and you will see results.

My outlook fell just a small while ago.

If I stayed positive about women I'm pretty sure I'd me more insane than I am now.

What does that even mean

Idk how to explain it.

Basically the entire fucking world hates me whether I'm a nice person or not.

From your previous comment it sounds like youre banking heavy on swag and money and not much else. Tinder is a shallow place thats obvious. If youre a rich college kid use your assets to meet people and have a good time. Theres no pressure do you. But drop the whole pathetic act its silly

i mean i dress for myself, i enjoy dressing nicely. its not nececarrily "swag", thats just chad in basketball shorts and a tank top.

i wear like $500 for the sake of Christ on a popsicle stick fletch, and yea i have met people. i can tell they really only hang out with me because of money which is whatever, theyre normies, its expected. but women just wont touch me out of fear of me making some kind of advance which i wouldnt even ever. i plan on marrying a wife someday, not having pre marital affairs.

$500 cologne gold watch, edgy haircut, live downtown

Im sorry to break it to ya but youre swagged out

If thats what you want, but if you feel thats a necessity because of how people respond to you, find some people who dont care much about money, theres good people out there beit man or woman.

The only good people I know are muslims.

Well you do share the same hatred towards women so no suprice there...

To be honest when I had these really deep depressing thoughts, what I find to be helpful is to try and rationally think about the two options presented. Either 1. It’s the entire world out to get me or 2. I am doing something incorrectly to present myself to the world. Based on your descriptions you seem like a pretty well groomed man and someone who is doing well off. You should try and not make that be your selling point. Be your authentic self. Money isn’t going to make you attractive.

Your problem isn't your looks. It's your attitude. No one wants to be around someone so insecure as you are.

I'm not insecure. I see plenty of good qualities in myself. Only you and women hate me.

I'm not insecure. I see plenty of good qualities in myself. Only you and women hate me.

The narcissism is strong with this one

Ok so if I like characteristics of myself I'm a narcissist

If I hate myself then I'm pitiful and insecure

What the fuck do you want me to do? You come off as someone with zero opinions.

I’m not saying that loving yourself is bad but you speak like you see nothing you can do to improve yourself and you are perfect and that the only reason you are incel is that they hate you

I literally took a picture displaying my bitcoin wallet for tinder and I had professionally photographed pictures for it. ONE "MATCH".

have you tried it without the number? showing numbers definitely isn't "classy". well groomed photos are. can be at least, i didn't use them.

She didn't respond. Yes, I am literally THAT ugly that no amount of wealth could save me.

no.

I want someone to cut my nose off so I can wrap my face in bandages every day and get actual sympathy points.

yes can. they're called plastic surgeons.

Seeing someone post a picture of their $$ would make me avoid them like the plague - it says 'I think you ( women ) are shallow/ greedy/ want to be dependent". And you do think that, and they see it. Even the ones who are shallow don't want you to THINK they are, ha. I'm so sorry you feel so ugly, makes sense you'd want to try different tactics.

If you were sorry you wouldn't bully me

I'm not bullying you.

Sounds like it to me

I don't see how, but I'm open to hearing why you think so.

You're not constructive at all. You're just laughing at my situation

I'm truly not laughing at you, I was saying how I would interpret somebody posting a wallet photo - if I were in your place I would want to know how others interpret my presentation, so that's where I was coming from. It seemed like you took the wallet photo not working as 'proof' that you are 'really that ugly' - but it's not proof.

The 'ha' was laughing at the idea that there are indeed shallow people who might WANT to date a person for money but won't date a person who is TOO open about his money because then they would appear to be... what they are.

Dude just pay for an escort with some of that BTC. A fucking expensive one that is professional and will treat you like a human. Maybe you will learn some things from some female contact even if it's paid. Sounds like you're mainly thinking relationships are contractual anyway and women only care about material goods. If so just get it over with. Seriously, who you lose your virginity to is less important than your mental health and outlook towards life.

Lol

What is it?

If you had anything to offer other then you very toxic attitude maybe you could have friends.

I have a few "friends". they all drink and do drugs so I don't participate in that.

Again, drop the attitude to get friends and not "friends"

literally every kid in the dorm drinks on the weekends. those people are apostates, not friends.

i hope you are aware that all mudslimes are laughing at your attempt to be accepted by them right? i guess that's why your only "friends" are people who drink and enjoy life and not other mudslimes...

I have Muslim friends idiot. They're better than anyone. That's why I'm them now.

Haha, sure buddy, have they given you a bin bag yet? XD

I don't know what that is

I know, typically people who subrcribe to such a moronic doctrine as islam has an IQ that matches their shoe size, and therefor often doesn't understand synonyms. Think about it, I'm sure you will get it... Eventually....

You're talking about IQ but can't spell or use grammar.

You're getting too far ahead of yourself. You need to address this nazi furry shit first.

Edit: you're not the Nazi furry guy, I lost track because there's like 20 people berating me at a time.

I'm sure it's not a huge factor, but you mentioned attending college while dressing like that. Is that style typical for what guys wear at your school? You would have looked out of place at my undergrad school. Definitely less than 10% of guys dressed like that on a regular basis. Ditching the watch and bracelet, swapping the Jordans for Chucks or Sperrys, and the khakis for slim/straight dark jeans would still have you look put together, but a lot less pretentious.

Kids don't wear it but it's not out of place by any means. I always get compliments from my professors on my clothes, one even joked with me about how I forgot my tie one day.

Plus people always just "jus bee urself brah" idk why I should change it.

It sounded like you took the "dress well" advice and came up with that look. If it's all the same to you, the look I described would make you look more approachable by people your own age. If you really like the look you have, just own it.

we're ugly and covered in acne but not obese

and ive seem people "ugly" and covered in acne get girls. whats different about you?

"Systematic oppression"???

Dude, grow the fuck up

Muh "racism is over brah."

Disgusting.

It's disgusting that you equate women not wanting to date you with systematic oppression. You aren't being oppressed by women. You're just an asshole.

Right. So when those girls in high school said I look like a school shooter it's because my personality is so dry and I deserved it.

That isn't even close to "systematic oppression." Try being less of a douchenozzle.

You're wasting your breath. They don't want help. They want somewhere where they can circle jerk about how much life has fucked them

The vast majority of comments I’ve seen from actual users is positive. People like you are the only ones consistently being negative.

Truer words have never been said

Someone has finally figured it out! We’ve said hundreds of times that this isn’t a support group and we use it to vent. Good to see someone took what we said seriously.

isn’t a support group

we use it to vent

That's a support group

And what's wrong with that? At least we don't harass other subs like IT does (yet somehow incels are the toxic ones)

You condone hate against women. These are the ramblings of a mass murderer. Continue to glorifying it though, please.

There's a front page post right now that refers to Elliot Rogers as a founding father of their sub. Why would anyone think that's not going to generate negative opinions of your community.

Right? Elliot Rodger is the first person I thought of when I saw this sub. His video before the killings is the same exact mentality that many guys on this sub have.

People let sex and women have this insane grip on them.

So because you failed to help anyone you are dissuading others from doing so?

Crab bucket.

It really depends on who you're talking to. Some people refuse all and any comments I make because "I'll never know what it's like" even though I used to be a fat fuck. Sone guys here are really cool and they ask real questions that they them hopefully apply to real life.

because "I'll never know what it's like" even though I used to be a fat fuck

Have you ever considered you were getting dismissed for not being a better listener?

Being a fat fuck doesn't say much about whether you get what it's like, and your comment suggests you never bothered to take the time to understand that. You might know what it's like for other reasons, I don't know you, but being fat isn't one of them. Most of America is now fat/obese. It's normalized. Weight can be lost. Genetic ugliness (bone structure, face, race, genetic disorders, birth defects) can't be changed that easily.

Incels probably spend more time on grooming and self-maintenance than you (gymcel, etc) and are still looked down on as ugly and striking out. That's the difference. There's a hopelessness that comes with the powerlessness to change your situation. Fat fucks have hope from weight loss.

Uhh, did I say I wanted help? This would be the last place I'd come for help, second to Rinceltears

An AR-15?

Owning an AR-15 wouldn't attract too many women I don't think

Why was this comment written in third person upvoted? Why do you goddamn normies come to this sub and upvote content clearly posted by outsiders? Go stay with your girl friends and wives and friends. Fuck off and never come here.

No.

Hey incels, you guys are just too funny. Legit, this is like r/2meirl4meirl but this is irl. Hope you don't get banned like last time.

Hey norman, why don't you fuck off this sub?

Let the jimmies rustle through you. XD

yo im not an incel but im jw, do you actually get pm of nips?

I get a different kind of nips. Mostly chocolate.

lol people dm you nips of alcohol thats pretty funny

Have you ever had sex? Have you ever had relationships? Are you single now?

Give each of us a woman to have sex with or fuck off. No one wants your self righteous 'advice'

So you can't answer the fucking question?

Why bring racims into anything? why talk about how black people are underprivileged? Is the whole world against your or what?

The point is, any target these bully subreddits go after is always a low tier white men, as if women are incapable of doing anything wrong and being shitty. And I can't believe I ot downvoted here for pointing out this blatantly obvious truth.

So you can't answer the fucking question?

Why bring racism into anything? Why talk about how black people are underprivileged? Is the whole world against you or what?

The point is, any target these bully subreddits go after is always a low tier white man, as if women are incapable of doing anything wrong and being shitty. And I can't believe I ot downvoted here for pointing out this blatantly obvious truth.

Ahaha ok. Sure. Definitely only white guys on places like /r/indianpeoplefacebook.

Women aren’t capable of doing anything wrong, there are whole subs for that. Women just generally aren’t the ones being thirsty and angry at men, at the same rate men do in those subs.

So you can't answer the fucking question?

Why bring racism into anything? Why talk about how black people are underprivileged? Is the whole world against you or what?

The point is, any target these bully subreddits go after is always a low tier white man, as if women are incapable of doing anything wrong and being shitty. And I can't believe I got downvoted here for pointing out this blatantly obvious truth.

Maybe I'm just naive but I've seen plenty of ugly guys with girlfriends that are pretty cute. I feel like you guys have given up and that makes things worse.

Although you say you don't hate them, your comments are extremely demeaning to an entire category of people, that's what make it hate speech. Another characteristic of hate speech is using terms that attempt to dehumanize a group of people, such as FHO. There are ways to talk about experiencing discrimination in a beauty obsessed society without using hate speech.... but you are using hate speech. I imagine this sub uses the FHO/All Women language to make your experience less painful, but the flip side of that is that any chance of having a discussion about appearance-based discrimination is sabotaged.

I don't see how, but I'm open to hearing why you think so.

lol people dm you nips of alcohol thats pretty funny