It makes sense for women to want to fuck psychopaths. Psychopathic men dominate and subjugate the other men around them. They are able to fight and kill without it affecting them emotionally. In other words, most of them exhibit very alpha traits. They make terrible fathers and lovers, but a woman is content with fucking a psychopath and then cucking a Normie into raising the child.
Chihuahua this is 100% /r/maledom (very NSFW sub, possibly disturbing images/video) thinking here.
FYI, there are many lenses through which one can observe people and life; there are many ways to judge, assess, interpret, etc. one's place in the world, and this is just one of them. I agree that there are women who indeed seek alphas so that they can worship them (Just search craigslist for "Submissive seeks dom"), be treated like crap, and spend their free time belittling men they see as lesser. Likewise, there are men whose main aspiration in life is to rise to that standard. They are the dudes who say guys who aren't like John Wayne or Chuck Norris are lesser forms of life like South Park's crab people who don't deserve happiness.
However, there are lots of men and women who don't see themselves or others this way. Lots of people just want to live and pursue their interests without dominating or being dominated. Truly rich people can go about their business without being measured on the /r/maledom's scale. /r/maledom is a sort of spiritual prison imo; my recommendation is to do something that makes you forget that way of thinking completely - like spend a week driving, hiking, or whatever. During that time, remind yourself of every good thing you've ever done. Grow self-love like it's a treasured plant, and protect it, and don't ever submit yourself to someone else's system of measurement of self-value.
Or women just thrive on victimhood. Women are more abusive than men in relationships. They hold most of the power. They're usually the dominant partner.
Yes. Somehow they're fine dating a bad boy Chad who kicks and beats the shit out of them but are too embarrassed to be with a ugly beta nerd because he doesn't give him tingles.
yes the little town i live in i can name many women who are in relationships who get beat often.
And people feel bad for them LOL. why should i feel bad for someone who sticks around? Anyways, i thought women were stronk and independent why do you always lose against men? Almost as if they aren't equal..
I had an eldery women i walked bk home from a free community church dinner. ( something my town has for anyone who just wants ti sit wih strangers and eat free food) im athiest, btw. But we were hiken bk her bein a neiber , she outright said women are stupid after i asked bout full grown adult women being abducted in florda. She had mentioned a relative of hers spoke of how dire and ofter women abductions happen from flordia and georgia and south carolina. She said chics are dumb. :(
Women get fooled by these abusive guys because many of them value conversation and social skills over actual character. Ironically, the same shallowness many women display in dating is used against them.
I'm not an incel myself, just a normie who stalks both this subreddit and IT. Before I continue, I'm going to clarify that I'm speaking specifically about this interaction alone and not about other encounters with incels.
The users in this comment thread are obviously just expressing their anguish. Incels are, at their core, quite sad and depressed - obviously, given the amount of suicide speak on this subreddit. But, that's not the point. Instead of going out and causing violence, a majority of incels just stay on internet forums like this and vent. They're venting, they're not trying to describe reality to anyone.
"Women are just stupid," is a comment reflecting that user's personal reflection on their interactions with women, and evidently as an incel none of them have been good. Both sexes, incel or not, make comments like, "wow, the other sex is stupid!" It's not toxic, it's really just letting out frustration.
Further, the comment "eat shit and die," while indeed very rude, is literally just this person saying, "go away." The only malice behind it is in the sense that the person is obviously annoyed. This can be expected from a group of people who regularly have their space invaded by people who literally only come here to demean them. Lastly, the comment of "then leave dumb whore," is also just a reflection of that same invasion of space.
At least in this particular comment thread, whatever toxicity being commented upon wouldn't exist if these guys were just left alone. It would have been left at, "women are just dumb," instead of escalating to "eat shit and die." That's what I've learned from observing here. Feel free to tell me if I'm wrong.
Nope, you're not wrong at all - you're pretty spot on, in fact.
Well, except maybe for 'whatever toxicity being commented upon wouldn't exist if these guys were just left alone" I think that's debatable - because even in the previous, and relatively homogeneous, subs and other and places of incel congregation there was still some pretty vile and toxic shit being slung about.
That's part of why we're where we are: the gross shit the incels are characterized by (though not justly in every individual case) "got out".
That's why I wanted to be specific about this interaction alone, I know there are instances in incel congregations that have produced some reprehensible dialogues. I really feel like it's just a couple of bad eggs though, and by bad eggs I really mean some men who've become so dejected and the depth of their sadness so deep that it has become malformed into outright resentment and hatred of not only the opposite sex, but of just normal people who don't understand what they're going through. That's when something violent, and quite often tragic, happens.
At first, I really though IT was in the right and it was funny that they were making fun of sexist comments and the like. More I've observed though, really seems like a majority of incels are just the sad types of guys that people don't think twice about, and the additional bullying they receive for the edgy comments they make to vent aren't really all that helpful. Just creates more frustration, more sadness, and validates some of their beliefs (like you said, not in every individual case) that those people who don't understand actually have an underlying vendetta against incels.
The best IT could do is to actually call out the extremist type posts that are made in all seriousness. Commenting on the posts that are essentially just incels venting doesn't do anyone any good, all it does is cause drama. Naturally, though, it's the internet and drama is beloved, and I'm not going to actually go and tell people what they can and cannot comment on.
It's not toxic to tell a bully to eat shit and die. You should eat shit because you're a terrible evil person and deserve to suffer. You should die because the world would be a much better place without you. Not telling you to kill yourself or anything, but it's a fact - people like you are making the world a worse place.
It doesn't matter - they create their own ammo. I mean, before the incel community on reddit came about, they routinely targeted r/FA with exactly the same baseless accusations. IT is here to harass and feel good about it - misogyny is just their excuse, and even if you completely eliminated it from this sub, the excuse would still be used. So there's no reason not to let guys here who hate women to express those feelings.
You could have, y'know, debunked him. Yet instead, you deliver nothing but base insults.
So i'll repeat his setiment: yes, women are dumber than men, and their laziness, weakness, and cowardice are the real reasons they have not xontributed to history.
They're also turn around and say incels are the ones who will turn into abusive men. Hey ladies, incels are too afraid to even approach their looksmatch for fear of rejection. They are not the ones who will abuse you.
So you either need to become an absolute top-tier lier able to shield all their inside from everyone all the time, or you just try stopping hating everyone instead.
The usage of the word "cope" on this forum is the biggest cope there is. Maybe, when you one day stop accusing everyone but yourself of being the guilty party, you can find some happiness.
Dude. All of existence is coping with the fact that it ends, and that you can't simply get what you want. The sooner you get that you are not in any way special and almost everyone suffers from existential dread all the time, some only being able to hide it better than others, the sooner you will see that each and every one is in this shit together.
And yeah, some get rich and famous and some are born with all the perfection to live awesome lives, but that's random chance to you.
Yes, of fucking course it's coping. You use that word like it's a bad thing, only showing that you know almost absolutely nothing about other human beings.
Want to know what someone else feels inside? Try the only human you know inside out, yourself. Chance is, many are full of the same doubts and fears and horrors, and in the many years I have honestly talked to close friends, lovers and sometimes random people that were on the same wavelength, the most fundamental knowledge I've gained is that everyone makes this shit up as they go and most are deathly afraid the ruse will some day end.
Call that cope again, ignore it. I can only tell you what I have experienced, I can in no way make you experience it or even believe me.
The sooner you get that you are not in any way special and almost everyone suffers from existential dread all the time, some only being able to hide it better than others, the sooner you will see that each and every one is in this shit together.
Why the fuck are you here? Its none of your business whether ot not we are special. It has literally nothing to do with you.
We arent "in this shit together". We never were and we will never be. Fuck off
Our red flags don't lead to physical attacks. We flee normies who will not give us any affection anyways and are boring retards for whom talking to is like pulling teeth.
Ah yes, calling people retards is a great way to contextualize others. You realize you’re creating an image of yourself as being some superior enlightened being. Yet you resort to bashing other people for simply being the way they are. If you find them boring, great, don’t interact with them. Leave that to other people who you consider to be boring. There’s no need to trash others.
The original commenter was choosing to classify someone in that negative way. One does not chose to be boring. A simple statement is not an encapsulation of oneself. It’s the expression of an idea. That comment is not ‘who’ the OC is. It’s a comment. A comment with a flawed perspective that is subject to change.
So this is just hating on, and generalizing, women for the sake of it.
What does this have to do with being involuntarily celibate? Or is this just you being part of the vocal (and unreasonable and unhinged) minority who makes incels as a whole look bad? if it is, then well done.
Nope. It's actually a very solid criticism directed towards a specific group. You're just apparently not intelligent enough to see it, so all you see is "misogyny for the sake of it". Lol dumbass ITer.
Pro tip: next time you might want to say "an IT" - that way it'll make you feel subtler AND make it more obvious to others that you're feigning ignorance.
Wtf are you talking about ? I'm not talking about myself. I'm asking what a certain acronym means and you're being weird and assuming I'm pretending not to know ? Which doesn't even make any sense.
All you needed to do was answer my question like 100% of the socialised world would lol
That was kinda my point. You're basing your personhood around the idea that you're (supposedly) good at talking to women. That's not much of a person at all.
Well I'm not at all. I'm basing it around the fact I'm a well rounded individual , someone capable of communing with all people and generally well liked. Seeing as you came at me insulting relentlessly after I asked a simple question. You just scream massive insecurity and it's making me sad :(
You're not very sharp lmao i feel sad because I feel sorry for you, your massive insecurity is what's making me sad. So if your plan was to live a pathetic existence full of crippling insecurity to make people pit you then yeah. Your plan worked. Your insults are baseless silly billy !
What? You do know just saying things isn't a substitute for conversation.
I didn't know what IT meant and you were shitty about it. I then learnt and laid down a pretty solid retort about it. But sure. You saying 11 year old meme references is better than mine.
I mean obviously you're gonna feel that way. You're going to the effort of downvoting all my comments after your EPIC BURN of accusing me of having my "jimmies rustled". Irony
So are you seriously trying to convince me that your "retort" was "solid" after I just laughed in your face? Do you need validation from me that badly? I guess it must sting to feel inferior to someone like me, but that's not really a healthy way of dealing with it.
Do you genuinely believe that ? That an insecure brush off means my insult wasn't good. Whereas your rustle jimmies line didn't make you cringe ?
Nice way to ignore my criticisms though
Do you really believe that I feel insecure ? You? The guy who was so insecure he thought I was some agent from another sub so much he couldn't even answer a question?
Dude. You screen inferiority and insecurity.
Nothing screams "im secure in myself" than crying when someone asks you a question , than going to the effort of downvotig on a sub that doesn't make it easy, than building your identity by something that you don't have, than insulting people online who merely wanted to talk. Dozens of incels communicated with me politely and were currently having nice conversations. Why do you think you were incapable of that?
Everyone understands the point. It does not mean that it is a very relevant nor true point. There is a subset of women who prefer dangerous men, yes. Just like there is a subset of men who like toast in the morning.
It does not mean that it is a very relevant nor true point.
No, it doesn't mean that at all. The point is valid regardless of whether or not you claim to understand it. Why would you even think your claims and feelings are in any way relevant to that?
I agree. I was stupid not noticing the red flags. Or even knowing I should be looking for them. I loved him and wanted to help him and I thought if I just said or did the right things he would feel better. So I excused his behavior when he would push me or yell at me. Everyone does that, right? Plus he always apologised the next morning after he drank too much. He said he loved me and didn't want to hurt me. He meant it on some level, too. And maybe he wouldn't, for a month or so. And then he would drink too much again. And maybe this time it escalated and he would scream and cut himself in front of me, push me to the ground or spit on me. But he was always sorry, right? He still loved me because he said so. He even cried when he apologised. Plus it didn't happen all the time, anyway. People can love you and hurt you, too. That's normal, right? I didn't know. He was my first kiss, my first boyfriend.
I don't have excuses, but I have plenty of reasons I allowed myself to be abused. Because that is what I thought love involved. From childhood sexual and physical abuse and the subsequent emotional neglect. Being hit on the face and then told "I love you, you know". From people all through school treating me like shit. So I thought it was normal to be treated that way. Other people seemed to get treated better, but I wasn't worthy of that because I was shit and everyone in my life up until then had proved it with their words and actions. But he said he loved me. He was kind in the beginning. It was new and I felt worthy for the first time.
What else did I know? Yes I was incredibly naive and stupid, but not by choice.
He wasn't ugly to me in the beginning. I loved the things he hated about himself. He thought he was fat. I liked that he was a bit cuddly. He hated his ginger hair. I loved it. But towards the end he was ugly. All I saw was his cruelty.
You guys need to realise just how much someone's perspective of you dictates how attractive you are to them. It's not complex.
When people are raised in dysfunctional families, it can be harder to stand up for yourself, believe you deserve better/hitting isn’t normal, etc. than it is for people who were raised in loving families. People in loving families were shown how to accept and express love and appreciation properly, and how to speak up because they were shown how to value themselves.
I’m sorry that that happened to you. Don’t mind the negativity, your comment was relevant to the OC. I think some in here don’t understand the power dynamic that abusers have in a relationship. It’s caused by emotional manipulation at the beginning of the relationship, to create a trust, and a bond. Then they let lose, and feelings make the situation difficult to navigate because logic becomes clouded by the emotions of the initial connection. Plus it’s easy to be scared about what will happen when you leave. I have never been abused, but I have been the abuser, and it becomes clear what you’ve done if you take time to think about the situation. Just to clarify, I never committed any physical abuse, just manipulation and other psychological games. Not that it’s any better.
Thank you. I was worried after I posted that it was stupid and irrelevant and I was doing my usual BPD thing and talking about myself again. >.< But it seemed like someone might benefit from knowing women fall for this stuff for a myriad of complex reasons and not some made up idea that we secretly just love Chad's abusive monster dong.
Thanks for explaining the dynamic much better than I did. 🙂
I took full responsibility for staying. All my post was saying was that there were complex circumstances as to why I was stupid enough to stay. At which point did I mention I stayed because I thought he was attractive?
I'm sorry for what you went through, but you were just spineless and you let him walk all over you. That's the only reason why you let the abuse continue, not all the other stuff you tell yourself. I've been beaten and bullied all my life, but I still wouldn't let anyone do that to me.
Oh wow. Have you considered being a counselor? ~_~
Until you have experienced it from the person you love you will not understand. I'm assuming since you are an incel you have not had a partner yet? So to give judgement on a dynamic you have never experienced is quite silly. Of course I wouldn't have allowed myself to be beaten by some random stranger on the street. The two scenarios are so completely and utterly different I find it baffling you don't see that.
Oh wow. Have you considered being a counselor? ~_~
Have you considered becoming an Olympic gymnast? Your mental gymnastics would easily win you gold.
Until you have experienced it from the person you love you will not understand.
Sigh... This cliche again?
I'm assuming since you are an incel you have not had a partner yet? So to give judgement on a dynamic you have never experienced is quite silly.
People constantly give judgement on dynamics they haven't experienced.
Of course I wouldn't have allowed myself to be beaten by some random stranger on the street.
You shouldn't allow anyone to beat you.
The two scenarios are so completely and utterly different I find it baffling you don't see that.
Obviously the scenarios are different. However your response should still be the same. You chose to stay in that toxic relationship. You let him beat you instead of standing up for yourself. That's a choice you made because you're spineless. Anyone with an ounce of self respect wouldn't tolerate physical abuse.
Dude. I already said I was naive, stupid and had no self respect and that is why I allowed myself to be abused for so long. That was the entire point of my post. That because of my childhood and subsequent BPD from trauma I had no self respect and I didn't know what being treated in a healthy way was really like. What are you not comprehending? Or do you just want to rub it in and make a 'femoid' feel like shit?
Dude. I already said I was naive, stupid and had no self respect and that is why I allowed myself to be abused for so long.
I think it's because you're spineless. Just my opinion.
That was the entire point of my post. That because of my childhood and subsequent BPD from trauma I had no self respect and I didn't know what being treated in a healthy way was really like.
Reacting negatively to pain is human nature. Nobody thinks being physically abused is a good or healthy thing.
What are you not comprehending?
I understand what you say. I just disagree with you.
Or do you just want to rub it in and make a 'femoid' feel like shit?
Lol. That has absolutely nothing to do with it and I apologise if I made you feel like shit. It isn't my intent. You opened up a can of worms when you wrote your post. I am allowed to disagree with you. I don't think you let the abuse happen because you were naive or dumb, I think you let it happen because you're a coward with no backbone.
It is your intent. Don't be two faced, it's slimy. If it wasn't your intent you would have dropped it and accepted that I, and the psychiatrists I have talked to about it all, might understand my life far better than some stranger on reddit who has never even been in a relationship. Jesus titty fucking.
It is your intent. Don't be two faced, it's slimy.
It really isn't though.
If it wasn't your intent you would have dropped it and accepted that I, and the psychiatrists I have talked to about it all, might understand my life far better than some stranger on reddit who has never even been in a relationship.
Like I said. You open this can of worms. I'm just stating my opinion. You don't have to engage in a conversation with me.
The real irony here is they can detect dangerous vibes sometimes. Which is why they reject the incels and they go from "I'm so nice" to "I'll rape you" real fast.
I actually just discovered this sub and had no intention of "trolling" anyone. I was trying to understand the mentality. You tried to insult me and failed.
You say I'm a loser. But I have the one thing you're an active participant in a group which you all talk about your craving.
I'm popular. Funny, told I'm unique and I have autism on top of it. Not especially good looking and yet it is you and not the "carbon copy person" who finds them self alone.
My life is pretty good, yours ?
. I didn't intend to turn this into an attempt to tear you down. But clearly you cared enough about insulting me to create an account.
Acting like your bitterness towards women and those who can get them makes you some kind of unique special individual. There are a million angry virgins out there. You're not special either friend.
Oh ok, my mistake. If you don't claim to be nice it's pretty obvious why you're incel lol people like nice people. You can't be ugly and nasty and expect to get a girl lol you get one of the above
Girls don't like nice guys by dint of only being nice. That's why people make fun of "nice guys". It's partially because they aren't actually nice and it's partially because being nice doesn't get you any pussy. I know plenty of incels who are nothing but nice and polite to women.
Sure, nice alone isn't enough. I mean just being polite 24/7 isn't enough if that's the depth of your personality then it isn't going to be anything other than boring and predictable. Women are people too. They like surprises. You can be genuinely nice and be a bit of a dick every now and then. Morality and politeness aren't mutually exclusive
But as someone who is actually nice. It's not gonna be the reason you get laid on its own. But it'll help
Getting laid is 99 percent looks and for personality to deter a 9+ guy from getting laid he has to exude a personality as cringy and bad as Elliot Rodgers times 10.
I really am not sure about 99% it's a big factor sure but I'm a very average looking dude and I've done ok in my time . And if you're 1/10 you're gonna have a hard time. Do you not think a bigger factor is unrealistic expectations ?
I've never seen any incels lusting over a 6/10. There's this big talk about how looks are important to women and them being shallow because of it. But I've never seen any incels (confirmation bias possibly) value a girls personality more than their looks. If incels o ly care about looks why are they so bitter women do the same ?
I'll agree that a good looking guy doesn't need a personality. But neither do good looking women often by the same thinking as demonstrated
I'm incel and have never had any romantic interest from a woman (or man for that matter) ever, and I'm fairly successful, people tend to like me, etc. I don't see how unrealistic expectations could have much of an impact. I definitely have lusted after 6s, I don't know what it's like for women but I think men find quite a high fraction of women to be attractive.
From what I can tell so do most people here. Self delusion is a powerful thing. They think they like women for something deeper. But the focus is never on that. It's purely sexual. Which is fine. It's whatever. But it's the same situation on both sides
Sure thing, but shoot lower to start with. You need to be damn charming to shoot above your pay grade so to speak and that only comes with practice. You don't jump straight to the NFL, you gotta toss the ball around first. Go for someone who also lost the generic lottery ?
Go for someone who also lost the generic lottery ?
Many women "date up"; their standards are higher than those of their male equivalents. (This is at least partially due to influence from society/culture.) Lots of ugly women are not ok with equally ugly men. Not saying literally every woman is like this - it is possible to find some who aren't, but they are relatively rare
Do you not think it's the same on both sides ? I'm literally in a conversation with someone who rates themselves a 2 who wouldn't date less than an 8 which is fine. Standards are whatever. But I think ugly women are generally more mailable than you think ! I think also lots more women than you'd think have low self esteem and just want a genuinely nice man. But if one fixes their standards on someone who is shallow then you'll never win. I'm not especially good looking but my girlfriend is beautiful. But you don't score a beautiful lady without practice flirting first
it's always the most direct, blunt and truthful posts that they hate the most. they HATE the truth. absolutely hate it. they see it and know it's true.. so they go grrrrr report!!!
Hahaha those incels are so stupid. Tehehehe don’t they know that women can detect your horrible personality and misogyny a mile away, and then they saw women won’t date them tehehehe. Later chad beating her up, “he’s just going through a tough time, this isn’t him, he isn’t the same man as when I started dating him, just going through a rough patch.”
Fucking femoids can detect personality from a mile away but somehow can’t detect a man that’s gonna beat them up and abuse them. Makes sense
You’re acting like all women are the same. Some women can assume from the incel exterior that you’re probably abusive and not someone they’d not like, and some women let themselves be abused under certain mindsets and environments.
So you blindly assuming that women hate you because “MUH FEMOIDS” is fucking dumb. I’m sure they adore the shit your spewing out.
Nobody here knows anything about abusive relationships and personalities. Then again, how would incels know anything about romantic relationships. 🤷♂️
Thanks for teasing us about it. I think I'll go to a starving African child, hold out a piece of food just in front of their mouth, then pull it back saying "but then again, how would starving kids know anything about food."
No it's not. As a person who has suffered through an abusive relationship I guarantee you that you'd rather want to be alone than live in this particular emotionall hell. Because your analogy fits an abusive relationship perfectly: you are in love, get teased with it and then they pull it back and leave you devastated. I am sympathetic with your wanting to have an intimate relationship, but then again you insult people who suffer in a relationship as if it was easily solveable, so fuck you.
No. Fuck you. You're stupid if you stay in an abusive relationship and if you let yourself get bullied. It's better to have experienced it once, than to never have experienced it at all.
One of the typical problems of an abusive relationship is that it's extremely difficult to get out of it. It has nothing to do with stupidity. If you insist otherwise, it's clear that you don't know what you're talking about. It's akin to saying "cheer up" to a person suffering from depression. I hope you never have to experience this, my friend.
One of the typical problems of an abusive relationship is that it's extremely difficult to get out of it.
This is only true if you're spineless and let people walk over you. You're letting the abuser manipulate you, you keep going back to them despite knowing what type of person they are.
Besides, the point of OPs post wasn't about relationships. It is about how Normies and IT cucks constantly come in here and tell us that women can tell that we have "bad personalities" because of shit we post anonymously online. But at the same time they aren't able to tell if a guy is abusive or not. Do you see the hypocrisy?
This is only true if you're spineless and let people walk over you.
Well, you are just plain wrong. You would not tell a depressed person: "Well, just don't take life so hard and be more resilient" because this is literally the problem with depression. And the same goes for abusive relationships. An abusive relationship is not as easy and uncomplex as you make it out to be, especially if the other person has borderline personality disorder or something similar.
Those people are extremely intense personalities, they seem intensely attractive, they are extremely passionate and seemingly empathic people and they will be able to make you as happy as you've never been before. They are capturing and winning personalities. It's wondrous heaven in the beginning, but as soon as the relationship deepens, it gets more and more difficult. Interestingly enough, people who "let other people walk over themselves" are usually people who don't suffer in these kinds of relationships and are indeed able to stabilize a relationship that otherwise could never work out.
The major percentage of people in abusive relationships has enormous difficulty getting out of them and many, many of them will need therapy after that to recover. And some, unfortunately, never do. Because living in an abusive relationship usually is a cesura for one's life. An abusive relationship is not some shitty teenage boyfriend trope, it's a serious problem that can cost people their careers, their social circles - their lives.
The important distinction here is that people who are absusers in a relationship aren't necessarily bad people™ with bad personalities™. They are usually sick and need therapy themselves. It's fucking brutal, because a borderliner, for instance, will never ever have a stable relationship without therapy. And the most diffcult part for them is actually realizing what they're doing. Abusers can be fantastic people. They can be driven, successful, captivating, full of motivation, love, imagination and ideas.
When people say incels have bad personalities they mean character traits that are not attractive. Being misogynistic does not go over well with most women. Resignation and despair (and that whole black pill shit) aren't too sexy either (and that's the worst thing about depression: it's not easy to sympathize with depressed people over a longer period of time, truth is, despair, however sad this may be, is not a desirable trait). Blaming everything on others or on uncontrollable circumstances is not cool (while stoicism is, I can recommend reading Epictetus or Marcus Aurelius). Self-conciousness is awful as well. I know this might seem unfair that being self-concious leads to being even more self-concious, but there are ways to overcome that. Incels here work hard at destroying each other. What you need is support, not bleakness.
Many people aren't too eloquent, that's why they sum a feeling about you up in bad personality and I know that it feels unfair when other people tell you you are bad the way you are. Because that's not the case. You are not your personality. You are not locked in. It's easy to just get lost in a neverending vicious cylce then. People usually want other people to be wholesome and awesome. You are probably attracted to that as well, because almost everyone is. If I were in your shoes I'd strive to be what I find attractive and desirable. In the words of Tennyson and one of my favourite poems: "Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho' we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are; one equal temper of heroic hearts, made weak by time and fate, but strong in will. To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield."
Well, you are just plain wrong. You would not tell a depressed person: "Well, just don't take life so hard and be more resilient" because this is literally the problem with depression. And the same goes for abusive relationships. An abusive relationship is not as easy and uncomplex as you make it out to be, especially if the other person has borderline personality disorder or something similar.
Are you serious? You're comparing apples to oranges... Depression is a sickness of the mind, and actual disease. Choosing to be in an abusive relationship isn't a sickness or a disease, that's you being a coward. You can walk away at any moment, nobody forces you to be in that relationship, you are choosing to stay. A person with depression didn't choose to have depression, so your comparison is awful.
Those people are extremely intense personalities, they seem intensely attractive, they are extremely passionate and seemingly empathic people and they will be able to make you as happy as you've never been before.
So you just admitted that their looks is why you overlook the red flags. Unintentionally proving the black pill.
The major percentage of people in abusive relationships has enormous difficulty getting out of them and many, many of them will need therapy after that to recover. And some, unfortunately, never do. Because living in an abusive relationship usually is a cesura for one's life. An abusive relationship is not some shitty teenage boyfriend trope, it's a serious problem that can cost people their careers, their social circles - their lives.
You should leave the moment they start abusing you. Especially if it's physical. If you don't then you choose to be in that toxic environment.
The important distinction here is that people who are absusers in a relationship aren't necessarily bad people™ with bad personalities™. They are usually sick and need therapy themselves. It's fucking brutal, because a borderliner, for instance, will never ever have a stable relationship without therapy. And the most diffcult part for them is actually realizing what they're doing. Abusers can be fantastic people. They can be driven, successful, captivating, full of motivation, love, imagination and ideas.
Holy shit you're fucked up mate. Someone who abuses others aren't bad people? You'd win gold in the Olympics with those mental gymnastics. The lengths you lot go to defend attractive men is mind boggling. But apparently, incels shitposting anonymously online makes us terrible people, am I right?
When people say incels have bad personalities they mean character traits that are not attractive.
We shitpost on an anonymous board online. It is no reflection of how we actually are in real life. But for w/e reason you claim that women can detect the shit we post online. But apparently it's impossible to know whether a guy is abusive or not.
Incels here work hard at destroying each other. What you need is support, not bleakness.
We don't destroy each other. We're a group of like minded people who choose to be here. It's a community for us outcasts.
Many people aren't too eloquent, that's why they sum a feeling about you up in bad personality and I know that it feels unfair when other people tell you you are bad the way you are. Because that's not the case. You are not your personality. You are not locked in. It's easy to just get lost in a neverending vicious cylce then.
My personality isn't the issue. I was constantly told by others that I was well mannered, sweet, kind and nice. By my teachers, classmates, strangers, nurses, doctors etc. My problem is my looks. But no matter how many times I say this, none of you Normans believe it. You're convinced that my personality is the issue despite not knowing anything about me.
People usually want other people to be wholesome and awesome.
Is that why so many Normans brigade us, harass us and tell us to kill ourselves?
Are you serious? You're comparing apples to oranges... Depression is a sickness of the mind, and actual disease.
See that's the thing. Getting into an abusive relationship happens very subtle. When you're in it, you're already too far in. There's no exact moment when abuse starts, usually. Being in an abusive relationship is very much like having an actual mental illness (and many victims develop serious conditions). I know I will probably not convince you, but I have experienced both, depression and being in an abusive and they're crazy similar. Any therapist will probably tell you the same.
So you just admitted that their looks is why you overlook the red flags. Unintentionally proving the black pill.
I originally phrased that differently, but I didn't want to strawman you by already going into looks and changed it. When I'm talking about attractive, I'm not talking about looks. I was talking about personality.
You should leave the moment they start abusing you. Especially if it's physical. If you don't then you choose to be in that toxic environment.
As stated before, this is not something that suddenly starts. And it's not as black and white as you make it out to be. Abuse is not just someone hitting you suddenly. It's ingrained into every interaction. In German we have an expression called "Zuckerbrot und Peitsche" which literally means "Sugar bread and whip". It demonstrates very well how abusiveness works. You are rewarded, then punished. Often times, people in relationships with borderline personality disorder will begin thinking that they are in fact the problem, not the abuser. It has nothing to do with weakness of mind, it's just how this thing works. I used to think like you. If someone disrespects you, you leave. But it's just not as easy as it's on paper, I'm afraid.
Holy shit you're fucked up mate. Someone who abuses others aren't bad people? You'd win gold in the Olympics with those mental gymnastics. The lengths you lot go to defend attractive men is mind boggling. But apparently, incels shitposting anonymously online makes us terrible people, am I right?
Again, black and white is usually not the best approach of thinking about things. Especially when they're related to mental health. And, again, I'd refer yo to therapists who would tell you the same things I am. I'm not defending "attracive men" by the way, I'm defending mentally ill people that you want to label as evil, even though they themselves are victims of their respective conditions. Everyone can misstep into an abusive relationship. Men and women.
We shitpost on an anonymous board online. It is no reflection of how we actually are in real life. But for w/e reason you claim that women can detect the shit we post online. But apparently it's impossible to know whether a guy is abusive or not.
I don't frequent /r/braincels much, but /r/incels was not all shitposting. And there are enough similar boards on the net with a serious tone. And some things you people write on here are so fundamentally different from what's accepted in society that it's easy to take a shortcut. An example: I know I will never be in a romantic relationship with a religious person, because it's so fundamentally different from the way I function as a human. Again, by the way, signs of abuse are difficult to tell because abusers are usually very seductively attractive in their personality (and not necessarily physical).
My personality isn't the issue. I was constantly told by others that I was well mannered, sweet, kind and nice. By my teachers, classmates, strangers, nurses, doctors etc. My problem is my looks. But no matter how many times I say this, none of you Normans believe it. You're convinced that my personality is the issue despite not knowing anything about me.
I'm not judging you, I was using the plural you. I was talking about the people that come here to tell incels they have bad personalities. You are right, I don't know anything about you, except that you're exceedingly hostile even though I'm trying to have a real conversation here. I don't know what your problems are, but I can tell that from your post history you don't seem to be a guy I'd want to hang out with. But that's flimsy evidence.
Is that why so many Normans brigade us, harass us and tell us to kill ourselves?
I'd say these people are idiots and also not people I'd want to hang out with. I don't know what else to say about those incidents. Some people just operate on a very low default level and are, like many incels, unable to create perspectives for themselves.
See that's the thing. Getting into an abusive relationship happens very subtle. When you're in it, you're already too far in. There's no exact moment when abuse starts, usually.
There is. If the abuser hits you, then that's when the physical abuse has started. If it's mental abuse then it's when they swear at you and insult you for no fucking reason.
Being in an abusive relationship is very much like having an actual mental illness (and many victims develop serious conditions).
No it's not the same. A mental illness is an actual illness. Choosing to be in an abusive relationship is a choice you're deliberately making. How on earth can they be the same?? To give you an example, being in a relationship with a guy that forces you to walk with crutches is not the same as being paralysed in a wheelchair. You can choose to not walk with crutches and break up with the guy, a paralysed person can't choose to not be paralysed anymore.
I know I will probably not convince you, but I have experienced both, depression and being in an abusive and they're crazy similar. Any therapist will probably tell you the same.
You'd never convince anyone with that load of baloney. You have a choice you can make, leave the toxic relationship or stay in it. You don't have that choice with an illness. You can break up with the abused, but you can't break up with depression.
I originally phrased that differently, but I didn't want to strawman you by already going into looks and changed it. When I'm talking about attractive, I'm not talking about looks. I was talking about personality.
Sure. You were talking about personality. I catch you proving the black pill, and you just try to change it to "I meant personality".
As stated before, this is not something that suddenly starts. And it's not as black and white as you make it out to be. Abuse is not just someone hitting you suddenly. It's ingrained into every interaction.
Once you notice it you should have the self respect to leave. I talked about it a bit earlier, for when the abuse starts. But please do go on, I want to see how you justify a guy hitting you. Because from my perspective it just seems like you're a coward that is too afraid to stand up for herself.
In German we have an expression called "Zuckerbrot und Peitsche" which literally means "Sugar bread and whip". It demonstrates very well how abusiveness works. You are rewarded, then punished. Often times, people in relationships with borderline personality disorder will begin thinking that they are in fact the problem, not the abuser. It has nothing to do with weakness of mind, it's just how this thing works. I used to think like you. If someone disrespects you, you leave. But it's just not as easy as it's on paper, I'm afraid.
So carrot and a stick. When they "punish" you, then leave. If you don't do that and justify their behaviour then it's you're choosing to let them abuse you. Believe it or not, but leaving an abusive person is a very easy thing to do if you actually have a spine and some self respect.
Again, black and white is usually not the best approach of thinking about things. Especially when they're related to mental health. And, again, I'd refer yo to therapists who would tell you the same things I am. I'm not defending "attracive men" by the way, I'm defending mentally ill people that you want to label as evil, even though they themselves are victims of their respective conditions.
Paedophiles are also mentally ill. They're still disgusting and vile animals who deserve to be tortured. Would you defend someone raping kids, using the same justification? Would you say someone raping a 5 year old isn't evil, because of his mental illness? Would you say terrorists aren't evil people because they might have a mental illness? You can be evil despite being mentally ill. There are millions of people with mental illnesses that don't do evil shit.
Everyone can misstep into an abusive relationship. Men and women.
Of course they can. But everyone can also step out of an abusive relationship if they actually want to and stop justifying the abuser's behaviour.
I don't frequent /r/braincels much, but /r/incels was not all shitposting. And there are enough similar boards on the net with a serious tone. And some things you people write on here are so fundamentally different from what's accepted in society that it's easy to take a shortcut. An example: I know I will never be in a romantic relationship with a religious person, because it's so fundamentally different from the way I function as a human. Again, by the way, signs of abuse are difficult to tell because abusers are usually very seductively attractive in their personality (and not necessarily physical).
The vast majority of stuff incels say is actually shitposting. Yeah, there are some crazy people but they're outliers, and often times a lot of the crazy shit you see are from false flag posts by IT cucks. The stuff people write here is not something we reveal to the world. It's posted on anonymous boards, not talked about in broad daylight. So abusers can be deceiving women with their personalities, but an incel doing that is impossible? Explain that logic to me.
I'm not judging you, I was using the plural you. I was talking about the people that come here to tell incels they have bad personalities.
I was responding to your "You are not your personality" comment.
You are right, I don't know anything about you, except that you're exceedingly hostile even though I'm trying to have a real conversation here.
Exceedingly hostile? How am I hostile? So you can detect that someone is "hostile" through internet comments, but you can't detect whether someone is hostile or not in real life?
I don't know what your problems are, but I can tell that from your post history you don't seem to be a guy I'd want to hang out with.
I'm curious. What did I write that made you think that i'm a guy you wouldn't want to hangout with?
man im an incel but you have a completely retarded understanding of relationships. Can you imagine your parents or someone who you respected and loved deeply making subtle changes in their behavior towards you? You would be very forgiving at first because deep down you dont want to believe that theres anything wrong with your relationship with your mom or dad. Then it gets worse. and worse. and worse. But you still find it hard to cut off ties with your mom. You would still cut your right hand off for her because you believe that deep down she's the same person she was when you were growing up. The same person that made you the man you are today. Try to have a little empathy for this person. You can't say walking out of an abusive relationship is easy when you have never experienced any sort of romantic relationship.
You didn't read the whole comment you fucking dipshit.
When the person I am talking to is a woman, saying "you" to that person and referring to all women is grammatically correct. PLEASE stop embarassing yourself.
SURE YOU ARE. A writing tutor who doesn't realize you is both singular and plural and who thinks you can start a sentence with "I'm" and end it with "them" while talking about yourself. This is the most idiotic conversation I've ever had lmao.
The pronoun you is the second-person personal pronoun, both singular and plural, and both nominative and oblique case in Modern English. The oblique (objective) form, you, functioned previously in the roles of both accusative and dative, as well as all instances following a preposition. The possessive forms of you are your (used before a noun) and yours (used in place of a noun). The reflexive forms are yourself (singular) and yourselves (plural).
Okay, well it's not my job to teach you grammar or anything, so I'm going to go do other things with my life. If you want to keep saying "you" at people and expecting them to hear that as plural, go ahead, but it it will result in alot of confusion.
Women/IT assume men on boards like this are the same men who are outed IRL for beating/abusing/raping women.
Evidence for this? None. Just speculation based on comments being misogynistic. You want to believe all the "enemy" are the same.
No, it's different men. Those men have no need to be on reddit and 4chan. These subs are mostly nerds and gamer losers who have never physically hurt a woman IRL.
I think a lot of people miss the point of this. People are coming in and saying things like "you don't understand the power dynamic etc of an abusive relationship", but that's not what's being addressed. The point is that the whole "we can sense your shit personality a mile away" is complete nonsense, otherwise they'd be able to sense the sort of personality which literally sees a woman as a possession to be controlled violently.
The point is that at the initial stage, there was some attraction to the man, which incels will not experience regardless of their persnality or wardrobe choice. Yes, abusive relationships are hard to get out of, but the fact that many women get into them in the first place pretty much nullifies the notion that they can sense a bad personality. It's somewhat of a shame that I'm even making this post to explain something conveyed so simply in a picture.
As a norman I ignore retardation to get in the pussy and you better believe that Stacy does it to jump on some Chad cawk. Difference is I'm a guy and more likely to admit it KEK. Stacy will lie, say he was sooooo charming. lol GTFO with that bullshit.
Do you ever wonder why you are an incel? Its because you throw out red flags one after another, and these “sluts” stay tf away from you, as they should. You seem abusive asf. Have no anger management, and harbor a deep resentment for women as it seems. I hope you can mature to the point of being able to have a normal relationship someday
She came to shit on my argument by making a strawman and she's a disgusting slut. My standards are low as shit and you have no idea what my life is like. Stop messaging me.
She came to explain that there's a confirmation bias. That many many women see the red flags. It's only the ones that don't that you see and think all women are oblivious.
How's she a slut?
Do you know what her life is like ?
Your anger is making you blind to your hypocrisy.
You should check out that thing I said though. Maybe it'll help. Although calling women sluts because they disagree with you probably means you don't deserve it
That's why it's hypocrisy. Because you say I can't know how you are in life from looking at your posts but you can ? Lmao maybe it's this ego, the aggression, hatred of women. Or maybe it's women's fault. Who knows.
Course it's the point of the post. The point is you find it amusing that women can tell you secretly harbour secret hate and bitterness when they can't tell abusive men. Except they can ? As proven. More than that these men are likely sociopaths who have trained their manipulation and social skills with women. Making it easier to disguise
Edit : just so you know , I really did just want to have a conversation. If you hadn't come at me insulting me then we wouldn't be here. I'm sorry it's turned to this
She literally posts on the FUCKING BLUEPILL. How can you compare this? I don't get it. If you want to have a civilized conversation pm me. But if you act like a retard I'll ghost you.
If a woman has sex with you is she still a slut? I have sex really often with one person. Am I a slut? Is that how it works? How is someone who doesn't have sex with you a slut?
It's not toxic to tell a bully to eat shit and die. You should eat shit because you're a terrible evil person and deserve to suffer. You should die because the world would be a much better place without you. Not telling you to kill yourself or anything, but it's a fact - people like you are making the world a worse place.
The usage of the word "cope" on this forum is the biggest cope there is. Maybe, when you one day stop accusing everyone but yourself of being the guilty party, you can find some happiness.
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1 dumbkidaccount 2018-03-12
lmao
1 wincel123 2018-03-12
It makes sense for women to want to fuck psychopaths. Psychopathic men dominate and subjugate the other men around them. They are able to fight and kill without it affecting them emotionally. In other words, most of them exhibit very alpha traits. They make terrible fathers and lovers, but a woman is content with fucking a psychopath and then cucking a Normie into raising the child.
1 sc2isadeadgame 2018-03-12
replace psychopath with chad and i agree
i have no problem with psychopaths as long as they're incels
1 Grand_boy 2018-03-12
We need to bring back draconian laws. Light sentencing is a scurge on our society.
1 shockinghillaryquote 2018-03-12
Great points.
1 Ilubalu 2018-03-12
Chihuahua this is 100% /r/maledom (very NSFW sub, possibly disturbing images/video) thinking here.
FYI, there are many lenses through which one can observe people and life; there are many ways to judge, assess, interpret, etc. one's place in the world, and this is just one of them. I agree that there are women who indeed seek alphas so that they can worship them (Just search craigslist for "Submissive seeks dom"), be treated like crap, and spend their free time belittling men they see as lesser. Likewise, there are men whose main aspiration in life is to rise to that standard. They are the dudes who say guys who aren't like John Wayne or Chuck Norris are lesser forms of life like South Park's crab people who don't deserve happiness.
However, there are lots of men and women who don't see themselves or others this way. Lots of people just want to live and pursue their interests without dominating or being dominated. Truly rich people can go about their business without being measured on the /r/maledom's scale. /r/maledom is a sort of spiritual prison imo; my recommendation is to do something that makes you forget that way of thinking completely - like spend a week driving, hiking, or whatever. During that time, remind yourself of every good thing you've ever done. Grow self-love like it's a treasured plant, and protect it, and don't ever submit yourself to someone else's system of measurement of self-value.
1 Sharkoh 2018-03-12
That sub is so fucked
1 Carkudo 2018-03-12
And yet somehow it's never the incels who commit the mass murders - it's always a normie.
1 just_for_the_record 2018-03-12
1 in 6 australian women is in an abusive relationship
like. i'm sorry. i have no sympathy if you chose to be with someone who beats you. and yes it just goes to show you that women suck at judging men.
1 disabledguy888 2018-03-12
Either these men are genius level intellect to hide their abusive sides or these women are just stupid. Which is more likely
1 superman1145 2018-03-12
They're just attractive lol it's as simple as that
1 bigantennaemay1 2018-03-12
These abusive men can be attractive, and the women can be stupid. I'm fairly certain it's both.
1 frankwashere44 2018-03-12
Or women just thrive on victimhood. Women are more abusive than men in relationships. They hold most of the power. They're usually the dominant partner.
1 Grand_boy 2018-03-12
You can tell exactly if a man is going to be an abusive fuck. Woman don't care to look at the obvious signs cause the abusers are handsome and act NT.
1 DrFeel_MD_PHD_NOGF 2018-03-12
It's so fucking obvious when a man is going to be physically abusive. I csn tell after talking to him for two minutes.
1 gufestus2 2018-03-12
Yes. Somehow they're fine dating a bad boy Chad who kicks and beats the shit out of them but are too embarrassed to be with a ugly beta nerd because he doesn't give him tingles.
1 KufoIV 2018-03-12
yes the little town i live in i can name many women who are in relationships who get beat often.
And people feel bad for them LOL. why should i feel bad for someone who sticks around? Anyways, i thought women were stronk and independent why do you always lose against men? Almost as if they aren't equal..
1 Toolfan523 2018-03-12
I had an eldery women i walked bk home from a free community church dinner. ( something my town has for anyone who just wants ti sit wih strangers and eat free food) im athiest, btw. But we were hiken bk her bein a neiber , she outright said women are stupid after i asked bout full grown adult women being abducted in florda. She had mentioned a relative of hers spoke of how dire and ofter women abductions happen from flordia and georgia and south carolina. She said chics are dumb. :(
1 chadicide 2018-03-12
English please?
1 xtsv 2018-03-12
It's because he treats her the way she wants to be treated.
1 Tiber-Septimus 2018-03-12
Women get fooled by these abusive guys because many of them value conversation and social skills over actual character. Ironically, the same shallowness many women display in dating is used against them.
1 Zangano1 2018-03-12
women are just stupid.
1 Zangano1 2018-03-12
women are just stupid.
1 GOpencyprep 2018-03-12
and you all wonder why places like IT target you - because you give them the ammo like this
1 Zangano1 2018-03-12
Eat shit and die.
1 GOpencyprep 2018-03-12
But the incels aren't toxic, right?
Keep proving what people have to say about you right.
1 asdasda5453 2018-03-12
then leave dumb whore
1 GOpencyprep 2018-03-12
But the incels aren't toxic, right?
1 ijustsmokeok 2018-03-12
I'm not an incel myself, just a normie who stalks both this subreddit and IT. Before I continue, I'm going to clarify that I'm speaking specifically about this interaction alone and not about other encounters with incels.
The users in this comment thread are obviously just expressing their anguish. Incels are, at their core, quite sad and depressed - obviously, given the amount of suicide speak on this subreddit. But, that's not the point. Instead of going out and causing violence, a majority of incels just stay on internet forums like this and vent. They're venting, they're not trying to describe reality to anyone.
"Women are just stupid," is a comment reflecting that user's personal reflection on their interactions with women, and evidently as an incel none of them have been good. Both sexes, incel or not, make comments like, "wow, the other sex is stupid!" It's not toxic, it's really just letting out frustration.
Further, the comment "eat shit and die," while indeed very rude, is literally just this person saying, "go away." The only malice behind it is in the sense that the person is obviously annoyed. This can be expected from a group of people who regularly have their space invaded by people who literally only come here to demean them. Lastly, the comment of "then leave dumb whore," is also just a reflection of that same invasion of space.
At least in this particular comment thread, whatever toxicity being commented upon wouldn't exist if these guys were just left alone. It would have been left at, "women are just dumb," instead of escalating to "eat shit and die." That's what I've learned from observing here. Feel free to tell me if I'm wrong.
1 GOpencyprep 2018-03-12
Nope, you're not wrong at all - you're pretty spot on, in fact.
Well, except maybe for 'whatever toxicity being commented upon wouldn't exist if these guys were just left alone" I think that's debatable - because even in the previous, and relatively homogeneous, subs and other and places of incel congregation there was still some pretty vile and toxic shit being slung about.
That's part of why we're where we are: the gross shit the incels are characterized by (though not justly in every individual case) "got out".
1 ijustsmokeok 2018-03-12
That's why I wanted to be specific about this interaction alone, I know there are instances in incel congregations that have produced some reprehensible dialogues. I really feel like it's just a couple of bad eggs though, and by bad eggs I really mean some men who've become so dejected and the depth of their sadness so deep that it has become malformed into outright resentment and hatred of not only the opposite sex, but of just normal people who don't understand what they're going through. That's when something violent, and quite often tragic, happens.
At first, I really though IT was in the right and it was funny that they were making fun of sexist comments and the like. More I've observed though, really seems like a majority of incels are just the sad types of guys that people don't think twice about, and the additional bullying they receive for the edgy comments they make to vent aren't really all that helpful. Just creates more frustration, more sadness, and validates some of their beliefs (like you said, not in every individual case) that those people who don't understand actually have an underlying vendetta against incels.
The best IT could do is to actually call out the extremist type posts that are made in all seriousness. Commenting on the posts that are essentially just incels venting doesn't do anyone any good, all it does is cause drama. Naturally, though, it's the internet and drama is beloved, and I'm not going to actually go and tell people what they can and cannot comment on.
1 GOpencyprep 2018-03-12
To be clear, yes I am on here calling incels on their dumb shit, but i think IT is just as bad and just as stupid.
1 ijustsmokeok 2018-03-12
I see where you're coming from. I just wanted to throw in my two cents too. :)
1 GOpencyprep 2018-03-12
I appreciate it!
1 Carkudo 2018-03-12
Similarly, nothing toxic about telling a bully to leave.
1 Nederweed 2018-03-12
You were toxic first, dummy.
1 GOpencyprep 2018-03-12
Nope.
1 Nederweed 2018-03-12
Yes, toxic dummy.
1 GOpencyprep 2018-03-12
You’re being toxic right now
1 Carkudo 2018-03-12
It's not toxic to tell a bully to eat shit and die. You should eat shit because you're a terrible evil person and deserve to suffer. You should die because the world would be a much better place without you. Not telling you to kill yourself or anything, but it's a fact - people like you are making the world a worse place.
1 GOpencyprep 2018-03-12
Toxic!
1 DryYard 2018-03-12
You have the toxicity coming and completely deserve it.
1 Carkudo 2018-03-12
It doesn't matter - they create their own ammo. I mean, before the incel community on reddit came about, they routinely targeted r/FA with exactly the same baseless accusations. IT is here to harass and feel good about it - misogyny is just their excuse, and even if you completely eliminated it from this sub, the excuse would still be used. So there's no reason not to let guys here who hate women to express those feelings.
1 TheIncelPill 2018-03-12
You could have, y'know, debunked him. Yet instead, you deliver nothing but base insults.
So i'll repeat his setiment: yes, women are dumber than men, and their laziness, weakness, and cowardice are the real reasons they have not xontributed to history.
1 Zangano1 2018-03-12
women are just stupid.
1 ConfidentLevel 2018-03-12
They're also turn around and say incels are the ones who will turn into abusive men. Hey ladies, incels are too afraid to even approach their looksmatch for fear of rejection. They are not the ones who will abuse you.
1 shockinghillaryquote 2018-03-12
Women value sperficiality above all else, so they are easy targets for sociopaths who know what to say, how to say it.
The shy awkward guy "creeps" women out because he doesn't outwardly display those superficialities they so value.
Women, in a nutshell, are stupid and leading us to Idiocracy by having the children of the dumbest or worst men out there.
1 The_Real_Cannaman 2018-03-12
Well said.
1 Shazig 2018-03-12
More slaves for my descendants. The most important thing on this planet is intelligence. Nothing even comes close.
1 TheIncelPill 2018-03-12
Sage wisdom
1 Carkudo 2018-03-12
As long as that person is attractive enough.
1 ISpendAllDayOnReddit 2018-03-12
I can't tell if you meant superficiality or specificality
1 MaleFAer 2018-03-12
The myth of the creep radar
1 BlackpilledVeteran 2018-03-12
If you're hot enough you could get away with ANYTHING and saying ANYTHING to a girl. She'll always think "Oh my god, he's so fucking hot...".
1 BEEPBEEPHONKHONK_ 2018-03-12
kek
1 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-03-12
It's a pity that their super powers fail sometimes but at least it works on us teehee
1 CptErection23 2018-03-12
When you reach lvl 50 personality you can shield yourself from women's mind detect powers. Better work on your personality guys.
1 Grand_boy 2018-03-12
See i always knew that woodcutting lvl 99 was a meme.
1 ThatOneExpatriate 2018-03-12
Incels don't even try to hide their red flags... they make them very clear
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
Yeah we go calling women roasties and shit in real life, absolutely
1 awe300 2018-03-12
Luckily no one internalizes what they do all day, so you're peachy-keen on that
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
Who cares what I internalize? The abusive Chad internalizes shit too. I still don't say any of the things I say on here, retard.
1 awe300 2018-03-12
If you hate someone, they can often tell
So you either need to become an absolute top-tier lier able to shield all their inside from everyone all the time, or you just try stopping hating everyone instead.
I know what's easier
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
They can't tell when Chad does it and they can't tell when I do it. Keep coping though.
1 awe300 2018-03-12
The usage of the word "cope" on this forum is the biggest cope there is. Maybe, when you one day stop accusing everyone but yourself of being the guilty party, you can find some happiness.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
Cope
1 awe300 2018-03-12
Dude. All of existence is coping with the fact that it ends, and that you can't simply get what you want. The sooner you get that you are not in any way special and almost everyone suffers from existential dread all the time, some only being able to hide it better than others, the sooner you will see that each and every one is in this shit together.
And yeah, some get rich and famous and some are born with all the perfection to live awesome lives, but that's random chance to you.
Yes, of fucking course it's coping. You use that word like it's a bad thing, only showing that you know almost absolutely nothing about other human beings.
Want to know what someone else feels inside? Try the only human you know inside out, yourself. Chance is, many are full of the same doubts and fears and horrors, and in the many years I have honestly talked to close friends, lovers and sometimes random people that were on the same wavelength, the most fundamental knowledge I've gained is that everyone makes this shit up as they go and most are deathly afraid the ruse will some day end.
Call that cope again, ignore it. I can only tell you what I have experienced, I can in no way make you experience it or even believe me.
1 behindcloseddoors1 2018-03-12
Imagine being this triggered by the word cope lol
1 ranseroto 2018-03-12
Why the fuck are you here? Its none of your business whether ot not we are special. It has literally nothing to do with you.
We arent "in this shit together". We never were and we will never be. Fuck off
God I hate normoids so much
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
Chad has social skills to disguise it better than most incels will
1 currynator3000 2018-03-12
Ah yes the ever elusive but existant Creepdar
1 frankwashere44 2018-03-12
lol @ believing Incels interact with women
1 ThatOneExpatriate 2018-03-12
This thread has enough red flags to last me a week
1 DryYard 2018-03-12
Our red flags don't lead to physical attacks. We flee normies who will not give us any affection anyways and are boring retards for whom talking to is like pulling teeth.
1 wavpug 2018-03-12
Ah yes, calling people retards is a great way to contextualize others. You realize you’re creating an image of yourself as being some superior enlightened being. Yet you resort to bashing other people for simply being the way they are. If you find them boring, great, don’t interact with them. Leave that to other people who you consider to be boring. There’s no need to trash others.
1 ranseroto 2018-03-12
Same as you do, retardo
1 wavpug 2018-03-12
The original commenter was choosing to classify someone in that negative way. One does not chose to be boring. A simple statement is not an encapsulation of oneself. It’s the expression of an idea. That comment is not ‘who’ the OC is. It’s a comment. A comment with a flawed perspective that is subject to change.
1 GOpencyprep 2018-03-12
So this is just hating on, and generalizing, women for the sake of it.
What does this have to do with being involuntarily celibate? Or is this just you being part of the vocal (and unreasonable and unhinged) minority who makes incels as a whole look bad? if it is, then well done.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
It's making fun of a typical argument against us you ABSOLUTE brainlet
1 GOpencyprep 2018-03-12
haha way to prove it - carry on.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
You wrote this and thought it made sense
1 GOpencyprep 2018-03-12
Keep it up
1 Carkudo 2018-03-12
Nope. It's actually a very solid criticism directed towards a specific group. You're just apparently not intelligent enough to see it, so all you see is "misogyny for the sake of it". Lol dumbass ITer.
1 GOpencyprep 2018-03-12
I don't post in IT, but I'm happy to see the big bad IT boogie-man you're all so scared of is haunting you too.
1 Carkudo 2018-03-12
Why did you feel the need to inform me you don't post on IT? I wasn't asking about your personal life or anything.
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
What is IT?
1 Carkudo 2018-03-12
Pro tip: next time you might want to say "an IT" - that way it'll make you feel subtler AND make it more obvious to others that you're feigning ignorance.
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
I legitimately have no idea what you're talking about?
1 Carkudo 2018-03-12
Jesus you sure do love talking about yourself.
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
Wtf are you talking about ? I'm not talking about myself. I'm asking what a certain acronym means and you're being weird and assuming I'm pretending not to know ? Which doesn't even make any sense.
All you needed to do was answer my question like 100% of the socialised world would lol
1 Carkudo 2018-03-12
Why do I need to do that?
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
Lmao really dude ?
Intentionally obtuse , insults people for asking simple questions , facetious.
I guess we solved the mystery of why your here?
Why be rude ? I legitimately do not get it
1 Carkudo 2018-03-12
You're really overestimating yourself there.
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
I'm not the one who can't talk to women here chief !
1 Carkudo 2018-03-12
That was kinda my point. You're basing your personhood around the idea that you're (supposedly) good at talking to women. That's not much of a person at all.
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
Well I'm not at all. I'm basing it around the fact I'm a well rounded individual , someone capable of communing with all people and generally well liked. Seeing as you came at me insulting relentlessly after I asked a simple question. You just scream massive insecurity and it's making me sad :(
1 Carkudo 2018-03-12
Making you feel bad was kinda the intention here. It's nice of you to announce my success in such a direct manner - few people do that.
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
You're not very sharp lmao i feel sad because I feel sorry for you, your massive insecurity is what's making me sad. So if your plan was to live a pathetic existence full of crippling insecurity to make people pit you then yeah. Your plan worked. Your insults are baseless silly billy !
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
Incel tears! Why didn't you just say that? You're sensitive hahaha women usually like that , weird ;)
1 Carkudo 2018-03-12
Oh boy, that really rustled your jimmies didn't it. Too bad you're too stunted to even insult someone effectively. Loser.
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
What? You do know just saying things isn't a substitute for conversation.
I didn't know what IT meant and you were shitty about it. I then learnt and laid down a pretty solid retort about it. But sure. You saying 11 year old meme references is better than mine.
1 Carkudo 2018-03-12
Ahahaha. No it wasn't.
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
I mean obviously you're gonna feel that way. You're going to the effort of downvoting all my comments after your EPIC BURN of accusing me of having my "jimmies rustled". Irony
1 Carkudo 2018-03-12
So are you seriously trying to convince me that your "retort" was "solid" after I just laughed in your face? Do you need validation from me that badly? I guess it must sting to feel inferior to someone like me, but that's not really a healthy way of dealing with it.
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
Do you genuinely believe that ? That an insecure brush off means my insult wasn't good. Whereas your rustle jimmies line didn't make you cringe ?
Nice way to ignore my criticisms though
Do you really believe that I feel insecure ? You? The guy who was so insecure he thought I was some agent from another sub so much he couldn't even answer a question? Dude. You screen inferiority and insecurity.
Nothing screams "im secure in myself" than crying when someone asks you a question , than going to the effort of downvotig on a sub that doesn't make it easy, than building your identity by something that you don't have, than insulting people online who merely wanted to talk. Dozens of incels communicated with me politely and were currently having nice conversations. Why do you think you were incapable of that?
1 RealCaptChicken 2018-03-12
A spefic group? 3 Billion isn't specific.
1 Carkudo 2018-03-12
You might want to brush up on your English.
1 RealCaptChicken 2018-03-12
Oh. I'm a native English speaker.
1 Carkudo 2018-03-12
All the more reason to make sure you don't mess up like that again.
1 TordYvel 2018-03-12
Everyone understands the point. It does not mean that it is a very relevant nor true point. There is a subset of women who prefer dangerous men, yes. Just like there is a subset of men who like toast in the morning.
1 armenianbirdcel 2018-03-12
Everything is normal everything is okay everything is okay everything is okay everything is normal everything is okay
1 TordYvel 2018-03-12
It's over for hystericcels
1 Carkudo 2018-03-12
No, it doesn't mean that at all. The point is valid regardless of whether or not you claim to understand it. Why would you even think your claims and feelings are in any way relevant to that?
1 pewgie 2018-03-12
I agree. I was stupid not noticing the red flags. Or even knowing I should be looking for them. I loved him and wanted to help him and I thought if I just said or did the right things he would feel better. So I excused his behavior when he would push me or yell at me. Everyone does that, right? Plus he always apologised the next morning after he drank too much. He said he loved me and didn't want to hurt me. He meant it on some level, too. And maybe he wouldn't, for a month or so. And then he would drink too much again. And maybe this time it escalated and he would scream and cut himself in front of me, push me to the ground or spit on me. But he was always sorry, right? He still loved me because he said so. He even cried when he apologised. Plus it didn't happen all the time, anyway. People can love you and hurt you, too. That's normal, right? I didn't know. He was my first kiss, my first boyfriend.
I don't have excuses, but I have plenty of reasons I allowed myself to be abused. Because that is what I thought love involved. From childhood sexual and physical abuse and the subsequent emotional neglect. Being hit on the face and then told "I love you, you know". From people all through school treating me like shit. So I thought it was normal to be treated that way. Other people seemed to get treated better, but I wasn't worthy of that because I was shit and everyone in my life up until then had proved it with their words and actions. But he said he loved me. He was kind in the beginning. It was new and I felt worthy for the first time.
What else did I know? Yes I was incredibly naive and stupid, but not by choice.
1 --0001 2018-03-12
How old were you?
1 pewgie 2018-03-12
17 when I met him. But I had talked to him online since I was 13.
1 Hopecel 2018-03-12
Are you ok nowadays?
1 pewgie 2018-03-12
I'm not with him anymore so that is a bonus. 😊
1 Hopecel 2018-03-12
Good for you. Good luck in the future.
1 pewgie 2018-03-12
Thanks 🙂 I am glad you have some hope, too.
1 ranseroto 2018-03-12
Funny how nobody would EVER be willing to put up with even 1% of this shit if it came from us. Interesting, isnt it?
1 pewgie 2018-03-12
He was what you guys would deem an incel when I met him. We lost our virginity to each other.
1 ranseroto 2018-03-12
Probably wasnt ugly. Irrelevant
1 pewgie 2018-03-12
He wasn't ugly to me in the beginning. I loved the things he hated about himself. He thought he was fat. I liked that he was a bit cuddly. He hated his ginger hair. I loved it. But towards the end he was ugly. All I saw was his cruelty.
You guys need to realise just how much someone's perspective of you dictates how attractive you are to them. It's not complex.
1 ranseroto 2018-03-12
You gave him a chance. None of us here get chances. Thats the difference
1 pewgie 2018-03-12
Just because you haven't had a chance so far doesn't mean there isn't one in your future.
1 ranseroto 2018-03-12
Cope. Its over for us
1 behindcloseddoors1 2018-03-12
Nope. Leave as soon as he hits you, it's that simple.
1 pewgie 2018-03-12
Have you been in that situation?
1 behindcloseddoors1 2018-03-12
No, because I leave as soon as I see things becoming bad for me.
1 pewgie 2018-03-12
I guess you have more self esteem. I'm glad you do. 🙂
1 mikalooloo 2018-03-12
When people are raised in dysfunctional families, it can be harder to stand up for yourself, believe you deserve better/hitting isn’t normal, etc. than it is for people who were raised in loving families. People in loving families were shown how to accept and express love and appreciation properly, and how to speak up because they were shown how to value themselves.
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1 wavpug 2018-03-12
I’m sorry that that happened to you. Don’t mind the negativity, your comment was relevant to the OC. I think some in here don’t understand the power dynamic that abusers have in a relationship. It’s caused by emotional manipulation at the beginning of the relationship, to create a trust, and a bond. Then they let lose, and feelings make the situation difficult to navigate because logic becomes clouded by the emotions of the initial connection. Plus it’s easy to be scared about what will happen when you leave. I have never been abused, but I have been the abuser, and it becomes clear what you’ve done if you take time to think about the situation. Just to clarify, I never committed any physical abuse, just manipulation and other psychological games. Not that it’s any better.
1 pewgie 2018-03-12
Thank you. I was worried after I posted that it was stupid and irrelevant and I was doing my usual BPD thing and talking about myself again. >.< But it seemed like someone might benefit from knowing women fall for this stuff for a myriad of complex reasons and not some made up idea that we secretly just love Chad's abusive monster dong.
Thanks for explaining the dynamic much better than I did. 🙂
1 nonology 2018-03-12
You CHOSE to stay in an abusive relationship and CHOSE to excuse him beating you probably because you thought he was good looking
Stop blaming everything but yourself because you're too stupid to make the right decision
1 pewgie 2018-03-12
I took full responsibility for staying. All my post was saying was that there were complex circumstances as to why I was stupid enough to stay. At which point did I mention I stayed because I thought he was attractive?
1 Face-Hit-By-A-Lorry 2018-03-12
I'm sorry for what you went through, but you were just spineless and you let him walk all over you. That's the only reason why you let the abuse continue, not all the other stuff you tell yourself. I've been beaten and bullied all my life, but I still wouldn't let anyone do that to me.
I hope you're doing better now though.
1 pewgie 2018-03-12
Oh wow. Have you considered being a counselor? ~_~
Until you have experienced it from the person you love you will not understand. I'm assuming since you are an incel you have not had a partner yet? So to give judgement on a dynamic you have never experienced is quite silly. Of course I wouldn't have allowed myself to be beaten by some random stranger on the street. The two scenarios are so completely and utterly different I find it baffling you don't see that.
1 Face-Hit-By-A-Lorry 2018-03-12
Have you considered becoming an Olympic gymnast? Your mental gymnastics would easily win you gold.
Sigh... This cliche again?
People constantly give judgement on dynamics they haven't experienced.
You shouldn't allow anyone to beat you.
Obviously the scenarios are different. However your response should still be the same. You chose to stay in that toxic relationship. You let him beat you instead of standing up for yourself. That's a choice you made because you're spineless. Anyone with an ounce of self respect wouldn't tolerate physical abuse.
1 pewgie 2018-03-12
Dude. I already said I was naive, stupid and had no self respect and that is why I allowed myself to be abused for so long. That was the entire point of my post. That because of my childhood and subsequent BPD from trauma I had no self respect and I didn't know what being treated in a healthy way was really like. What are you not comprehending? Or do you just want to rub it in and make a 'femoid' feel like shit?
1 Face-Hit-By-A-Lorry 2018-03-12
I think it's because you're spineless. Just my opinion.
Reacting negatively to pain is human nature. Nobody thinks being physically abused is a good or healthy thing.
I understand what you say. I just disagree with you.
Lol. That has absolutely nothing to do with it and I apologise if I made you feel like shit. It isn't my intent. You opened up a can of worms when you wrote your post. I am allowed to disagree with you. I don't think you let the abuse happen because you were naive or dumb, I think you let it happen because you're a coward with no backbone.
1 pewgie 2018-03-12
It is your intent. Don't be two faced, it's slimy. If it wasn't your intent you would have dropped it and accepted that I, and the psychiatrists I have talked to about it all, might understand my life far better than some stranger on reddit who has never even been in a relationship. Jesus titty fucking.
1 Face-Hit-By-A-Lorry 2018-03-12
It really isn't though.
Like I said. You open this can of worms. I'm just stating my opinion. You don't have to engage in a conversation with me.
1 Shockinglybored 2018-03-12
They can definitely detect your autism. Which is why you don't get any pussy.
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
The real irony here is they can detect dangerous vibes sometimes. Which is why they reject the incels and they go from "I'm so nice" to "I'll rape you" real fast.
Almost like they aren't nice.
1 5456456456 2018-03-12
This comment chain made me laugh out loud.
Are you two both actually autistic? There's no way a normal brain takes obvious tongue in cheek statements as literal.
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
Autistic, 6/10, with a smoking hot girlfriend !
You ?
1 5456456456 2018-03-12
You're making me laugh, stop it.
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
That's ok, I'm sure you need the boost! You've had a rough few years huh?
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
I actually just discovered this sub and had no intention of "trolling" anyone. I was trying to understand the mentality. You tried to insult me and failed.
You say I'm a loser. But I have the one thing you're an active participant in a group which you all talk about your craving.
I'm popular. Funny, told I'm unique and I have autism on top of it. Not especially good looking and yet it is you and not the "carbon copy person" who finds them self alone.
My life is pretty good, yours ?
. I didn't intend to turn this into an attempt to tear you down. But clearly you cared enough about insulting me to create an account.
Acting like your bitterness towards women and those who can get them makes you some kind of unique special individual. There are a million angry virgins out there. You're not special either friend.
1 PvtJamesRyan 2018-03-12
Shut up virgin before you blow a capillary
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
Weird place to use virgin as an insult but ok lol
1 PvtJamesRyan 2018-03-12
“With a smoking hot girlfriend”
Right...
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
I don't need you to believe me friend !
I hope you find what you're looking for
1 nct57 2018-03-12
Again with the "incels are fake nice guys" nonsense. We have nothing to do with nice guys, we don't even claim to be nice.
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
Oh ok, my mistake. If you don't claim to be nice it's pretty obvious why you're incel lol people like nice people. You can't be ugly and nasty and expect to get a girl lol you get one of the above
1 DryYard 2018-03-12
Girls don't like nice guys by dint of only being nice. That's why people make fun of "nice guys". It's partially because they aren't actually nice and it's partially because being nice doesn't get you any pussy. I know plenty of incels who are nothing but nice and polite to women.
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
Sure, nice alone isn't enough. I mean just being polite 24/7 isn't enough if that's the depth of your personality then it isn't going to be anything other than boring and predictable. Women are people too. They like surprises. You can be genuinely nice and be a bit of a dick every now and then. Morality and politeness aren't mutually exclusive
But as someone who is actually nice. It's not gonna be the reason you get laid on its own. But it'll help
Thoughts ?
1 DryYard 2018-03-12
Getting laid is 99 percent looks and for personality to deter a 9+ guy from getting laid he has to exude a personality as cringy and bad as Elliot Rodgers times 10.
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
I really am not sure about 99% it's a big factor sure but I'm a very average looking dude and I've done ok in my time . And if you're 1/10 you're gonna have a hard time. Do you not think a bigger factor is unrealistic expectations ?
I've never seen any incels lusting over a 6/10. There's this big talk about how looks are important to women and them being shallow because of it. But I've never seen any incels (confirmation bias possibly) value a girls personality more than their looks. If incels o ly care about looks why are they so bitter women do the same ?
I'll agree that a good looking guy doesn't need a personality. But neither do good looking women often by the same thinking as demonstrated
1 throwawaycel1 2018-03-12
I'm incel and have never had any romantic interest from a woman (or man for that matter) ever, and I'm fairly successful, people tend to like me, etc. I don't see how unrealistic expectations could have much of an impact. I definitely have lusted after 6s, I don't know what it's like for women but I think men find quite a high fraction of women to be attractive.
1 rileymils 2018-03-12
Because women lie and say they don't.
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
From what I can tell so do most people here. Self delusion is a powerful thing. They think they like women for something deeper. But the focus is never on that. It's purely sexual. Which is fine. It's whatever. But it's the same situation on both sides
1 TheVertex_ 2018-03-12
Honestly, I'd this point I'd take a girlfriend just so I can hold her hand occasionally. That's where we're at at this point.
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
Tbf I didn't mean sexual as in the act more the sexual attraction.
May I ask why you think you're struggling ?
1 OldPack 2018-03-12
...because incels have been shit on in the looks department ("genetic lottery")
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
Sure thing, but shoot lower to start with. You need to be damn charming to shoot above your pay grade so to speak and that only comes with practice. You don't jump straight to the NFL, you gotta toss the ball around first. Go for someone who also lost the generic lottery ?
1 kta2 2018-03-12
Many women "date up"; their standards are higher than those of their male equivalents. (This is at least partially due to influence from society/culture.) Lots of ugly women are not ok with equally ugly men. Not saying literally every woman is like this - it is possible to find some who aren't, but they are relatively rare
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
Do you not think it's the same on both sides ? I'm literally in a conversation with someone who rates themselves a 2 who wouldn't date less than an 8 which is fine. Standards are whatever. But I think ugly women are generally more mailable than you think ! I think also lots more women than you'd think have low self esteem and just want a genuinely nice man. But if one fixes their standards on someone who is shallow then you'll never win. I'm not especially good looking but my girlfriend is beautiful. But you don't score a beautiful lady without practice flirting first
1 5456456456 2018-03-12
It's crazy, man. You can actually see their arguments shift in real time.
1 PvtJamesRyan 2018-03-12
yeah just like you
1 AnathematicAnarchist 2018-03-12
You can report this as many times as you want, it doesn't break any rules.
1 Toolman890 2018-03-12
it's always the most direct, blunt and truthful posts that they hate the most. they HATE the truth. absolutely hate it. they see it and know it's true.. so they go grrrrr report!!!
1 Killmeimfilth 2018-03-12
Hahaha those incels are so stupid. Tehehehe don’t they know that women can detect your horrible personality and misogyny a mile away, and then they saw women won’t date them tehehehe. Later chad beating her up, “he’s just going through a tough time, this isn’t him, he isn’t the same man as when I started dating him, just going through a rough patch.”
Fucking femoids can detect personality from a mile away but somehow can’t detect a man that’s gonna beat them up and abuse them. Makes sense
1 Breadloaf134 2018-03-12
You’re acting like all women are the same. Some women can assume from the incel exterior that you’re probably abusive and not someone they’d not like, and some women let themselves be abused under certain mindsets and environments.
So you blindly assuming that women hate you because “MUH FEMOIDS” is fucking dumb. I’m sure they adore the shit your spewing out.
1 TeoLolstoy 2018-03-12
Nobody here knows anything about abusive relationships and personalities. Then again, how would incels know anything about romantic relationships. 🤷♂️
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-03-12
should have saw it coming from a mile away just like you guys can see incels bad personality from a mile away
1 ranseroto 2018-03-12
Sorry, not an argument
1 TeoLolstoy 2018-03-12
Sure, it's Jackson's knowledge argument, my friend.
1 ranseroto 2018-03-12
"How can you know turds have bad taste if youve never tried eating one???????????"
1 PeppyHydra 2018-03-12
Thanks for teasing us about it. I think I'll go to a starving African child, hold out a piece of food just in front of their mouth, then pull it back saying "but then again, how would starving kids know anything about food."
Fuck you
1 TeoLolstoy 2018-03-12
No it's not. As a person who has suffered through an abusive relationship I guarantee you that you'd rather want to be alone than live in this particular emotionall hell. Because your analogy fits an abusive relationship perfectly: you are in love, get teased with it and then they pull it back and leave you devastated. I am sympathetic with your wanting to have an intimate relationship, but then again you insult people who suffer in a relationship as if it was easily solveable, so fuck you.
1 PeppyHydra 2018-03-12
No. Fuck you. You're stupid if you stay in an abusive relationship and if you let yourself get bullied. It's better to have experienced it once, than to never have experienced it at all.
1 TeoLolstoy 2018-03-12
One of the typical problems of an abusive relationship is that it's extremely difficult to get out of it. It has nothing to do with stupidity. If you insist otherwise, it's clear that you don't know what you're talking about. It's akin to saying "cheer up" to a person suffering from depression. I hope you never have to experience this, my friend.
1 PeppyHydra 2018-03-12
How hard can walking out of the door and never coming back be?
1 Face-Hit-By-A-Lorry 2018-03-12
This is only true if you're spineless and let people walk over you. You're letting the abuser manipulate you, you keep going back to them despite knowing what type of person they are.
Besides, the point of OPs post wasn't about relationships. It is about how Normies and IT cucks constantly come in here and tell us that women can tell that we have "bad personalities" because of shit we post anonymously online. But at the same time they aren't able to tell if a guy is abusive or not. Do you see the hypocrisy?
1 TeoLolstoy 2018-03-12
Well, you are just plain wrong. You would not tell a depressed person: "Well, just don't take life so hard and be more resilient" because this is literally the problem with depression. And the same goes for abusive relationships. An abusive relationship is not as easy and uncomplex as you make it out to be, especially if the other person has borderline personality disorder or something similar.
Those people are extremely intense personalities, they seem intensely attractive, they are extremely passionate and seemingly empathic people and they will be able to make you as happy as you've never been before. They are capturing and winning personalities. It's wondrous heaven in the beginning, but as soon as the relationship deepens, it gets more and more difficult. Interestingly enough, people who "let other people walk over themselves" are usually people who don't suffer in these kinds of relationships and are indeed able to stabilize a relationship that otherwise could never work out.
The major percentage of people in abusive relationships has enormous difficulty getting out of them and many, many of them will need therapy after that to recover. And some, unfortunately, never do. Because living in an abusive relationship usually is a cesura for one's life. An abusive relationship is not some shitty teenage boyfriend trope, it's a serious problem that can cost people their careers, their social circles - their lives.
The important distinction here is that people who are absusers in a relationship aren't necessarily bad people™ with bad personalities™. They are usually sick and need therapy themselves. It's fucking brutal, because a borderliner, for instance, will never ever have a stable relationship without therapy. And the most diffcult part for them is actually realizing what they're doing. Abusers can be fantastic people. They can be driven, successful, captivating, full of motivation, love, imagination and ideas.
When people say incels have bad personalities they mean character traits that are not attractive. Being misogynistic does not go over well with most women. Resignation and despair (and that whole black pill shit) aren't too sexy either (and that's the worst thing about depression: it's not easy to sympathize with depressed people over a longer period of time, truth is, despair, however sad this may be, is not a desirable trait). Blaming everything on others or on uncontrollable circumstances is not cool (while stoicism is, I can recommend reading Epictetus or Marcus Aurelius). Self-conciousness is awful as well. I know this might seem unfair that being self-concious leads to being even more self-concious, but there are ways to overcome that. Incels here work hard at destroying each other. What you need is support, not bleakness.
Many people aren't too eloquent, that's why they sum a feeling about you up in bad personality and I know that it feels unfair when other people tell you you are bad the way you are. Because that's not the case. You are not your personality. You are not locked in. It's easy to just get lost in a neverending vicious cylce then. People usually want other people to be wholesome and awesome. You are probably attracted to that as well, because almost everyone is. If I were in your shoes I'd strive to be what I find attractive and desirable. In the words of Tennyson and one of my favourite poems: "Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho' we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are; one equal temper of heroic hearts, made weak by time and fate, but strong in will. To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield."
2 Face-Hit-By-A-Lorry 2018-03-12
Are you serious? You're comparing apples to oranges... Depression is a sickness of the mind, and actual disease. Choosing to be in an abusive relationship isn't a sickness or a disease, that's you being a coward. You can walk away at any moment, nobody forces you to be in that relationship, you are choosing to stay. A person with depression didn't choose to have depression, so your comparison is awful.
So you just admitted that their looks is why you overlook the red flags. Unintentionally proving the black pill.
You should leave the moment they start abusing you. Especially if it's physical. If you don't then you choose to be in that toxic environment.
Holy shit you're fucked up mate. Someone who abuses others aren't bad people? You'd win gold in the Olympics with those mental gymnastics. The lengths you lot go to defend attractive men is mind boggling. But apparently, incels shitposting anonymously online makes us terrible people, am I right?
We shitpost on an anonymous board online. It is no reflection of how we actually are in real life. But for w/e reason you claim that women can detect the shit we post online. But apparently it's impossible to know whether a guy is abusive or not.
We don't destroy each other. We're a group of like minded people who choose to be here. It's a community for us outcasts.
My personality isn't the issue. I was constantly told by others that I was well mannered, sweet, kind and nice. By my teachers, classmates, strangers, nurses, doctors etc. My problem is my looks. But no matter how many times I say this, none of you Normans believe it. You're convinced that my personality is the issue despite not knowing anything about me.
Is that why so many Normans brigade us, harass us and tell us to kill ourselves?
1 TeoLolstoy 2018-03-12
See that's the thing. Getting into an abusive relationship happens very subtle. When you're in it, you're already too far in. There's no exact moment when abuse starts, usually. Being in an abusive relationship is very much like having an actual mental illness (and many victims develop serious conditions). I know I will probably not convince you, but I have experienced both, depression and being in an abusive and they're crazy similar. Any therapist will probably tell you the same.
I originally phrased that differently, but I didn't want to strawman you by already going into looks and changed it. When I'm talking about attractive, I'm not talking about looks. I was talking about personality.
As stated before, this is not something that suddenly starts. And it's not as black and white as you make it out to be. Abuse is not just someone hitting you suddenly. It's ingrained into every interaction. In German we have an expression called "Zuckerbrot und Peitsche" which literally means "Sugar bread and whip". It demonstrates very well how abusiveness works. You are rewarded, then punished. Often times, people in relationships with borderline personality disorder will begin thinking that they are in fact the problem, not the abuser. It has nothing to do with weakness of mind, it's just how this thing works. I used to think like you. If someone disrespects you, you leave. But it's just not as easy as it's on paper, I'm afraid.
Again, black and white is usually not the best approach of thinking about things. Especially when they're related to mental health. And, again, I'd refer yo to therapists who would tell you the same things I am. I'm not defending "attracive men" by the way, I'm defending mentally ill people that you want to label as evil, even though they themselves are victims of their respective conditions. Everyone can misstep into an abusive relationship. Men and women.
I don't frequent /r/braincels much, but /r/incels was not all shitposting. And there are enough similar boards on the net with a serious tone. And some things you people write on here are so fundamentally different from what's accepted in society that it's easy to take a shortcut. An example: I know I will never be in a romantic relationship with a religious person, because it's so fundamentally different from the way I function as a human. Again, by the way, signs of abuse are difficult to tell because abusers are usually very seductively attractive in their personality (and not necessarily physical).
I'm not judging you, I was using the plural you. I was talking about the people that come here to tell incels they have bad personalities. You are right, I don't know anything about you, except that you're exceedingly hostile even though I'm trying to have a real conversation here. I don't know what your problems are, but I can tell that from your post history you don't seem to be a guy I'd want to hang out with. But that's flimsy evidence.
I'd say these people are idiots and also not people I'd want to hang out with. I don't know what else to say about those incidents. Some people just operate on a very low default level and are, like many incels, unable to create perspectives for themselves.
1 Face-Hit-By-A-Lorry 2018-03-12
There is. If the abuser hits you, then that's when the physical abuse has started. If it's mental abuse then it's when they swear at you and insult you for no fucking reason.
No it's not the same. A mental illness is an actual illness. Choosing to be in an abusive relationship is a choice you're deliberately making. How on earth can they be the same?? To give you an example, being in a relationship with a guy that forces you to walk with crutches is not the same as being paralysed in a wheelchair. You can choose to not walk with crutches and break up with the guy, a paralysed person can't choose to not be paralysed anymore.
You'd never convince anyone with that load of baloney. You have a choice you can make, leave the toxic relationship or stay in it. You don't have that choice with an illness. You can break up with the abused, but you can't break up with depression.
Sure. You were talking about personality. I catch you proving the black pill, and you just try to change it to "I meant personality".
Once you notice it you should have the self respect to leave. I talked about it a bit earlier, for when the abuse starts. But please do go on, I want to see how you justify a guy hitting you. Because from my perspective it just seems like you're a coward that is too afraid to stand up for herself.
So carrot and a stick. When they "punish" you, then leave. If you don't do that and justify their behaviour then it's you're choosing to let them abuse you. Believe it or not, but leaving an abusive person is a very easy thing to do if you actually have a spine and some self respect.
Paedophiles are also mentally ill. They're still disgusting and vile animals who deserve to be tortured. Would you defend someone raping kids, using the same justification? Would you say someone raping a 5 year old isn't evil, because of his mental illness? Would you say terrorists aren't evil people because they might have a mental illness? You can be evil despite being mentally ill. There are millions of people with mental illnesses that don't do evil shit.
Of course they can. But everyone can also step out of an abusive relationship if they actually want to and stop justifying the abuser's behaviour.
The vast majority of stuff incels say is actually shitposting. Yeah, there are some crazy people but they're outliers, and often times a lot of the crazy shit you see are from false flag posts by IT cucks. The stuff people write here is not something we reveal to the world. It's posted on anonymous boards, not talked about in broad daylight. So abusers can be deceiving women with their personalities, but an incel doing that is impossible? Explain that logic to me.
I was responding to your "You are not your personality" comment.
Exceedingly hostile? How am I hostile? So you can detect that someone is "hostile" through internet comments, but you can't detect whether someone is hostile or not in real life?
I'm curious. What did I write that made you think that i'm a guy you wouldn't want to hangout with?
1 lifeisgoodagain 2018-03-12
man im an incel but you have a completely retarded understanding of relationships. Can you imagine your parents or someone who you respected and loved deeply making subtle changes in their behavior towards you? You would be very forgiving at first because deep down you dont want to believe that theres anything wrong with your relationship with your mom or dad. Then it gets worse. and worse. and worse. But you still find it hard to cut off ties with your mom. You would still cut your right hand off for her because you believe that deep down she's the same person she was when you were growing up. The same person that made you the man you are today. Try to have a little empathy for this person. You can't say walking out of an abusive relationship is easy when you have never experienced any sort of romantic relationship.
1 yourfriendchainsaw 2018-03-12
yall are retarded
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-03-12
hoooowwww deeeeee partner
1 Dellarie 2018-03-12
YEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAW
1 incelbeast 2018-03-12
Y'ALLLLLL HOWDY 👩🌾
1 AntiAbleism 2018-03-12
They value looks over everything else.
1 Cristookie 2018-03-12
Women are not a monolith but I guess it doesn’t matter in this sub .
1 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-03-12
They are enough of a monolith to reject all of us.
1 letthedevilin 2018-03-12
let's be real, men reject you too.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-12
What is this shit
1 EnkiRise 2018-03-12
It's a picture that gives two examples of what a women can and cannot detect. Did you even read what it said?
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-12
Yes, I did, and it's garbage
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
You're garbage
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-12
Wow you're sooo nice I can't imagine why no girl will date you
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
Shut up whore
0 glassangelrose 2018-03-12
Ahh wow more nice and non abusive behavior!!! Wow we are SO dumb to not want to date men who call us garbage and whores!!!
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
Except you do cunt. You just call it BDSM.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-12
1) im a lesbian 2) I'm not into bdsm
Any more assumptions you want to throw at me? Or are you done being an ass?
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
I wasn't even talking about you as an individual you low IQ slut.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-12
Oh wow more with the name calling! You're a real charmer. It's a real mystery why you're so miserable and lonely.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
You said "us" as in women and I replied with you as in "you women". Seriously how can you be this stupid?
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-12
Us is plural but you is not. Please see a grammar tutor 😂😂😂
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
Yes it you fucking idiot! See my example below.
Woman: Women are intelligent.
Man: No you are not.
Or "you people", "hey guys, what are you up to?"
Seriously how are you THIS stupid? I can't believe I'm having to teach you grammar.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-12
"You guys" is plural, "you" is not. Again, please consult a grammar textbook. 😂😂😂 I'm not the one who's dumb
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
Did you even ready whole comment you idiotic bitch? I never even said "you guys".
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-12
Yes, I did. Look just admit you forgot that you was singular 😂😂😂
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
You didn't read the whole comment you fucking dipshit.
When the person I am talking to is a woman, saying "you" to that person and referring to all women is grammatically correct. PLEASE stop embarassing yourself.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-12
I'm not the one embarrassing themselves lmfao go on keep it up
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
LMFAO you just said "themselves" instead of "myself" and you think you know shit. Jesus fucking Christ lmao you should just delete your account.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-12
Themselves is plural...meaning out of the TWO of US (plural) I'm am not th one who is embarrassing themselves
JFC. Stay in school, kid.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
HAHAHAHA are you even listening to yourself?! What fucking school did you go to I'd love to know.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-12
I'm an English M.A. student and a writing tutor. Dude, you're wrong. You is singular. Everyone knows that.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
SURE YOU ARE. A writing tutor who doesn't realize you is both singular and plural and who thinks you can start a sentence with "I'm" and end it with "them" while talking about yourself. This is the most idiotic conversation I've ever had lmao.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-12
You is singular. Wow you are so detached from reality you even ignore basic grammar rules.
No one says you and means a whole group of people. That's just plain incorrect.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/You
Please delete your Reddit account after reading this.
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1 glassangelrose 2018-03-12
Context, pal. To make 'you' plural you need to add a guys, or a all etc. It can't stand alone and be plural.
1 DenseMahatma 2018-03-12
I don't agree with the guy in other things but the word you is both plural and singular. Thats just grammar fam
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-12
Okay, well it's not my job to teach you grammar or anything, so I'm going to go do other things with my life. If you want to keep saying "you" at people and expecting them to hear that as plural, go ahead, but it it will result in alot of confusion.
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1 whoareyou31 2018-03-12
Hmm... the logic is there. Not bad.
1 PeppyHydra 2018-03-12
Absolute banger, made my day. Memes can really reveal women's hypocrisy.
1 armenianbirdcel 2018-03-12
women, white western women especially, are effectively borderline retarded
1 cr3t1n 2018-03-12
I'm pretty sure that's the same man in both pictures... so maybe they are just getting better at detecting you.
1 PhucCheet 2018-03-12
Women/IT assume men on boards like this are the same men who are outed IRL for beating/abusing/raping women.
Evidence for this? None. Just speculation based on comments being misogynistic. You want to believe all the "enemy" are the same.
No, it's different men. Those men have no need to be on reddit and 4chan. These subs are mostly nerds and gamer losers who have never physically hurt a woman IRL.
1 AlienToLove 2018-03-12
"You want to believe all the "enemy" are the same because it makes sense in your mental picture." You just described this sub.
1 Cock_Demon 2018-03-12
I think a lot of people miss the point of this. People are coming in and saying things like "you don't understand the power dynamic etc of an abusive relationship", but that's not what's being addressed. The point is that the whole "we can sense your shit personality a mile away" is complete nonsense, otherwise they'd be able to sense the sort of personality which literally sees a woman as a possession to be controlled violently.
The point is that at the initial stage, there was some attraction to the man, which incels will not experience regardless of their persnality or wardrobe choice. Yes, abusive relationships are hard to get out of, but the fact that many women get into them in the first place pretty much nullifies the notion that they can sense a bad personality. It's somewhat of a shame that I'm even making this post to explain something conveyed so simply in a picture.
1 IncelSlayerZero 2018-03-12
As a norman I ignore retardation to get in the pussy and you better believe that Stacy does it to jump on some Chad cawk. Difference is I'm a guy and more likely to admit it KEK. Stacy will lie, say he was sooooo charming. lol GTFO with that bullshit.
1 Naya3333 2018-03-12
A lot of women do detect red flags, but you don't see that because they just don't date these men.
0 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
Fuck off slut
1 Naya3333 2018-03-12
I guess, that was too much common sense for you.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
It wasn't common sense because that wasn't even the point of the post. Go back to chocking on chad cock.
0 Naya3333 2018-03-12
Common sense is to realize that most women do avoid men who exhibit red flags, but you can only see the small number who don't.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
No they don't and that STILL was not the point of the most.
1 Awsimical 2018-03-12
Do you ever wonder why you are an incel? Its because you throw out red flags one after another, and these “sluts” stay tf away from you, as they should. You seem abusive asf. Have no anger management, and harbor a deep resentment for women as it seems. I hope you can mature to the point of being able to have a normal relationship someday
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
LOL
1 rekshi 2018-03-12
Seriously. I would be afraid to be on a date with you because you would either insult me or demand sex.
1 rekshi 2018-03-12
I am a woman. Never dated anyone who hit me or cheated on me. So what does that make me? Let me guess: a slut.
1 VixDzn 2018-03-12
All flags are pink when you're wearing pink glasses
0 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
Is this an example of how you only react hostile to people shitting on you ? ;)
Just admit this attitude is part of it! You can change. Get yourself a nice plain girl. Lower your standards and up your game
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
She came to shit on my argument by making a strawman and she's a disgusting slut. My standards are low as shit and you have no idea what my life is like. Stop messaging me.
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
She came to explain that there's a confirmation bias. That many many women see the red flags. It's only the ones that don't that you see and think all women are oblivious.
How's she a slut?
Do you know what her life is like ?
Your anger is making you blind to your hypocrisy.
You should check out that thing I said though. Maybe it'll help. Although calling women sluts because they disagree with you probably means you don't deserve it
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
That wasn't the fucking point of the post. Are you legit retarded?
I looked at her profile and came to the conclusion she's a slut. Stop being a moron.
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
That's why it's hypocrisy. Because you say I can't know how you are in life from looking at your posts but you can ? Lmao maybe it's this ego, the aggression, hatred of women. Or maybe it's women's fault. Who knows.
Course it's the point of the post. The point is you find it amusing that women can tell you secretly harbour secret hate and bitterness when they can't tell abusive men. Except they can ? As proven. More than that these men are likely sociopaths who have trained their manipulation and social skills with women. Making it easier to disguise
Edit : just so you know , I really did just want to have a conversation. If you hadn't come at me insulting me then we wouldn't be here. I'm sorry it's turned to this
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
She literally posts on the FUCKING BLUEPILL. How can you compare this? I don't get it. If you want to have a civilized conversation pm me. But if you act like a retard I'll ghost you.
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
I don't follow that first part ?
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
She posts on r/thebluepill and is pro-slut by her own admission.
1 rekshi 2018-03-12
If a woman has sex with you is she still a slut? I have sex really often with one person. Am I a slut? Is that how it works? How is someone who doesn't have sex with you a slut?
1 UselessBrakes 2018-03-12
Most women are excellent at detecting red flags. That is why they avoid people like you.
1 asdasda5453 2018-03-12
then leave dumb whore
1 Carkudo 2018-03-12
It's not toxic to tell a bully to eat shit and die. You should eat shit because you're a terrible evil person and deserve to suffer. You should die because the world would be a much better place without you. Not telling you to kill yourself or anything, but it's a fact - people like you are making the world a worse place.
1 awe300 2018-03-12
The usage of the word "cope" on this forum is the biggest cope there is. Maybe, when you one day stop accusing everyone but yourself of being the guilty party, you can find some happiness.
1 Gasster1212 2018-03-12
Chad has social skills to disguise it better than most incels will
1 DryYard 2018-03-12
You have the toxicity coming and completely deserve it.
1 TeoLolstoy 2018-03-12
Sure, it's Jackson's knowledge argument, my friend.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-03-12
Except you do cunt. You just call it BDSM.
1 GOpencyprep 2018-03-12
You’re being toxic right now