"I know a short guy who gets lots of girls!" Let me explain this phenomenon to you.
64 2018-03-11 by Short_Incel_Throw
Tl;Dr: Short men are less physically and sexually imposing, so women like making friends with short men. People see a short dude with his girl friends and just assume that he's fucking all of them when that's not even close to happening.
Growing up, I always had more girl friends than guy friends (thanks mostly to the fact that I have two sisters, so I was around girls all the time). I still socialize easily with women. Many of them are decently attractive. Between 16 and 21, I always had some guy friends ask me how I get so many girls. They assume that because I hanged out with girls and talked with them easily that I must be fucking all of them. That is far from the truth, but these same guys would later on and go say stuff like, "So I know this 5'5" guy who talks with so many girls it's insane!"
Women love befriending short dudes for these reasons.
Short men are less physically and sexually imposing. When most women look at a short man, they don't really see a man. Short men tend to have exhibit neoteny; In humans, this happens when a human's legs are proportionally shorter and head is proportionally larger. This makes women more attractive to men, but for women it illicits a response similar to a mother and her child, or a pet owner and their kitten. Women feel extremely comfortable around short men and might even adore them as they would a child, but there's no sexual tension involved. And because short men are physically smaller, women don't instinctively feel threatened by them as they would with a more normal-sized man.
Short men tend to compensate for their lack of physical presence with personality and charisma. A lot of women like this because it's easier to talk to someone who knows how to talk with others. Since women are very social, they really like this and want to be friends with sociable people.
Short men give more attention and time to a woman than other men do. Most short guys subconsciously know that women don't find them sexually attractive, so they try to make up for it by showering girls with attention and favours AKA being an orbiter. Women love this because they can get the validation they need from a guy who sort of looks like a man without having to give him anything in return.
Combine these traits together and women find short men to be the perfect friend; A male who is not a physical threat, who can talk normally and make them feel special. Don't be fooled though, he's not fucking any of them, nor will his girl friends wingwoman him. Also, he'll only continue being friends with them as long as he showers them with attention and listens to their problems. Once he stops doing that, the friendship quickly ends. Once he starts getting sexual or making an advance on a girl, he'll be seen as a creep/nice guy whatever you name it.
However, the average man, who is typically never friends with women sees this short guy walking with a bunch of girls and thinks, "Man, this guy is a womanizer!" He doesn't know any better, but he will tell his friends about this womanizer short guy, then the word will spread and spread until a normie comes on Reddit and says, "I know a 4'10" guy who gets lots of chicks!"
Also, the short guy will likely lie and say that he's hooked up with some of them to save face and not appear like an orbiter, making this myth even more apparent.
Trust me, if personality and being friends with women were all that is needed to get women, I'd be drowning in pussy right now. However, I'm still a kissless virgin. Nobody in my social life knows this because they just assume that I'm a womanizer.
88 comments
1 carpathianflorist 2018-03-11
I can’t take short men serious in almost all circumstances tbh.
An exception would be one of my employees is like maaaayyyybe 5’3”. Tiny little mid-20s Cuban, 12/10 face, always immaculate hair and stubble, killer voice, buff but not in a ridiculously compensating, ridiculously hard worker, does outreach work for homeless youth and he’s just an excellent person all around and everyone loves him. His wife is taller than him and gorgeous, too.
It’s not necessarily over for manlets. You just have to be one of the best people alive if you’re short.
1 Short_Incel_Throw 2018-03-11
It's a challenge to become one of the best people alive. Deep respect for the man.
1 carpathianflorist 2018-03-11
I love him to death and he’s really wonderful. I never really thought about how emasculating life must be for incredibly short dudes until I started lurking here, but yeah it’s impressive af all things considered
1 Felwood2 2018-03-11
I know you like to shitpost, but - most things about being a short male aren't readily noticeable to people who don't experience it.
Like most male problems, they're back-loaded rather than front-loaded.
I know I'm not sexy, or desirable, I know that. It sucks, but it's not crushing. What's crushing is what you described for your worker - but more than that. You have to jump through hoops, but even when you do that - assume ~ half of your effort will be perceived as anger, bitterness, or compensating. Therefore not genuine. That sucks, man. It just really sucks.
1 carpathianflorist 2018-03-11
I’ve developed a lot of empathy for short guys since I started coming here. Like I said, it never once occurred to me how constantly and immediately invalidated you are just by nature of your height until I saw the threads on this sub talking about it. There isn’t really ever going to be anything you can do about it either, even with shin lengthening or whatever it’s called surgery, you’re only getting a few inches tops.
How completely subconscious my inability to take short men seriously was really striking once I noticed it. I’m not a better person for it or anything and it’s not really going to change much, but it’s something I’m now aware of at least and can hopefully rectify needlessly dismissive first impressions with in the future.
Tbqh the thought of going through life being under like 5’6” gives me anxiety and I’d rather not think about it. That really fucking sucks for you guys and anyone who says it isn’t a big deal should be slapped senseless.
1 Felwood2 2018-03-11
It sucks, not gonna lie. Sucks real bad. I've been emasculated and embarrassed more times than I care to admit, buy women and men.
But I try not to let it get me down. I just own it. I want to start hiking and climbing. I've a friend who does bouldering and really enjoys it. I don't really care for team sports like basketball or football. I'd rather compete on a team at a something, but have it be more individual. Like where I'm responsible for my own score and that's it.
1 wearedrowning 2018-03-11
Society is a reproductive cult. Women are the limiting agent of reproduction. A man's respect in society is his perceived ability to attract women, in the past present or future. Women are sexually attracted to men that are dominant over other males. If you appear physically inferior with regards to your ability to dominate other males, then your ability to attract women will also be inferior. When people in society understand that you are not attractive to women for reproduction, they disrespect you and voluntarily choose to view everything you do as a means to make up for your inferiority.
Society is sick. People are unthinking sheep. We have to start valuing men as full people regardless of our reproductive convenience to women.
1 Short_Bitter_Faggot 2018-03-11
Just lol @ even trying. Being a literal leach is more rewarding than jumping through hoops to get some nobody’s respect. This is why I have no remotest for cheating my way through school, or basically every other aspect of my life. If I’m being placed at an unfair advantage I’m going to take the easiest route possible.
1 EntroPete 2018-03-11
There's a joke somewhere in there...
1 kermit_was_right 2018-03-11
What hoops? Let's take the stuff in there that's not just pure genetics.
That's not jumping through hoops. That's called living. And yeah, some people are better at it than others.
1 Felwood2 2018-03-11
It all leads to being better than the guy beside you. And if that guy is taller he's going to have a +1.
They can have it, honestly. I'll admit it sucks being lonely sometimes. But I'm not going to put on a clown suit and dance like I see so many other short guys do.
1 kermit_was_right 2018-03-11
Living as full and high-functioning life as you're able to = putting on a clown suit? Dude.
Funny thing is that if you're doing that shit just for image or to get laid, it'll never work long term anyhow. You'll get that hot girlfriend and stop, the energy outlay is just too hard to sustain.
Generally, people like that simply genuinely want to get more out of life, on every level, and be successful at the things they do. There are plenty of high functioning people around, take a look.
1 Short_Bitter_Faggot 2018-03-11
Kill yourself
1 sarenvakarian1234 2018-03-11
Just be an attractive man at that size if u wanna get girls
1 finnanut27 2018-03-11
When you have a good looking face people imagine you as taller, I grew a bit now but when I was younger I was always below average height but I was never picked on and it never hurt me because of my face.
1 wearedrowning 2018-03-11
How women mistreat short men and instinctively view them nonsexually proves and makes obvious everything there is to know about women's sexuality.
Women are sexually attracted to men with a superior potential for violence.
Women want men that are dominant over other men.
Men are objects to women.
Men are the romantic sex.
1 Short_Incel_Throw 2018-03-11
It's all about appearance. You have to look like you can beat someone up in order to be seen as sexually attractive.
I've been kickboxing for over a year and I can deadlift four plates, squat just over three plates and bench two plates.
I have held my own against taller, heavier opponents several times. I just don't look the part so to women it doesn't matter.
1 harambeazn 2018-03-11
you probably have a good athletic physique but look dYEL in clothes
1 disabledguy888 2018-03-11
Yes they want the strong dominant man. Being tall is a reflection of his potential for this.
It’s why my 6 ft 4 hockey player roommate in college got girls left and right while I at 5 ft 9 with average face didn’t. Actually reminds me of a time when I went out with him to a bar and girls were lighting up and had the look of sexual hunger in their eyes when they saw him. They were disgusted with my incel body
1 whatisthisshow2002 2018-03-11
I'm actually really curious to know how you came to this conclusion. Not trying to hate, everyone's entitled to their worldview, but what's led you to come to this series of beliefs? Most girls I know actually prefer guys who are slightly emotional/funny and shy away for violence. The height discrimination thing is absolutely still there, but I wouldn't say all women view short men sexually.
1 Short_Incel_Throw 2018-03-11
Aaaaand no inceltears people here to talk about personality.
1 PROLAPSED_SUBWOOFER 2018-03-11
They don't give a fuck. They love circle jerking in their echo chamber and occasionally coming here to encourage incels to sui.
1 Short_Incel_Throw 2018-03-11
This thread won't even be featured on r/inceltears. I've been trying to get one of my threads to be on there for months.
1 PROLAPSED_SUBWOOFER 2018-03-11
Ofc not. Only the false flag and parody posts posts show up there.
1 PM_ME_UR_FIRST_NUDE 2018-03-11
I'm short. Have had plenty of success with women.
1 Short_Incel_Throw 2018-03-11
PM me a face pic and let me know how tall you are, and the average height of men vs women in your area.
1 PM_ME_UR_FIRST_NUDE 2018-03-11
Several inches shorter than the average man, shorter than the average woman, met my current girlfriend when I was pudgy and looked like this. I've since gotten myself into great shape, but I've never had a problem with girls as long as they aren't incredibly shallow.
1 Short_Incel_Throw 2018-03-11
Okay then. What did you do?
1 PM_ME_UR_FIRST_NUDE 2018-03-11
I've always been very introverted, but a long time ago began forcing myself to socialize to work on my social skills. I'm not attractive enough to pick girls up at clubs or on dating apps, but it's not my thing anyway. I just live my life and put myself into a position to meet people with similar interests. I met my girlfriend volunteering at an elephant sanctuary in Thailand, we just clicked.
1 Salvador66 2018-03-11
You look older than me. What's your height and age?
1 PM_ME_UR_FIRST_NUDE 2018-03-11
I think i was 29 in that picture
1 Salvador66 2018-03-11
Looks don't change that much between 24 and 29. Anyways, if you have seen my pics here you probably noticed that I am the youngest-looking incel here. I am 24 and despite of how young looking all short men are, no short man looks as young as me.
1 PM_ME_UR_FIRST_NUDE 2018-03-11
I looked about 15 when I was 21, maybe 17 when I was 25. In my thirties now I guess I've aged a bit because people say I look low twenties these days.
1 MaleFAer 2018-03-11
How short exactly. And fatcels are volcels.
1 DEPRESSION_IS_COOL 2018-03-11
Wonderful topic!
1 sc2isadeadgame 2018-03-11
https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/83jt5k/its_over_for_manlets/dviuem2/?context=0
look at this shit roasties are spewing on our own sub
1 IncelByNature 2018-03-11
This is very woke knowledge you’re dropping, brother.
1 cookin_breakfast 2018-03-11
High IQ post. This is 100% correct
1 Short_Bitter_Faggot 2018-03-11
Absolute rage/suifuel, but it’s all true. I can’t help but laugh at fellow manlets who have large social circles of female friends, yet none of them see any action. It’s so obvious what they’re trying to do, it’s pathetic.
1 Short_Incel_Throw 2018-03-11
Well I was there at one point, which is why I know why this happens so accurately.
Women want short guys in their life, but only as pets that are happy 24/7 and lavish them with affection without being sexual in return. Once you actually start getting depressed or show that you won't validate them freely, they don't want your friendship anymore.
1 Short_Bitter_Faggot 2018-03-11
Yep, fuck women. I will never treat them like equals.
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-03-11
case in point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCa0_4KvdAA
1 mazafakaaaa 2018-03-11
one of the most brutal video I've ever seen
1 sailorgangordie 2018-03-11
I wish the mods would pin these Blackpill videos and threads so that brigading normies could see it.
1 Salvador66 2018-03-11
Cope. Not all short men in his 20s are neotenous looking.
1 Short_Incel_Throw 2018-03-11
Most do.
1 Salvador66 2018-03-11
Do any of them look younger than me. BTW I am 24 and 5'3". I look way younger than most guys around my height and age imho.
1 Short_Incel_Throw 2018-03-11
You definitely exhibit neoteny.
1 Salvador66 2018-03-11
That's what I am saying. No short guy around my height and age looks as young as me.
1 Northanui 2018-03-11
Cope. all this "only tall chads get laid" is the worst cope on this sub ever.
I went to dinner today with my parents, next to me was a guy who was about 175cm tall. Beautiful gf, holding hands all dinner.
This, while anecdotal, happens to me almost every day.
The true black pill is realizing some people are just chosen to get laid or experience girls, while others are not. It's most likely all just luck from what I can tell. It's that simple. Sure there are some external factors, but this gigachad tallCock bullshit you guys are all desperately coping up around here is 100% not it.
1 sailorgangordie 2018-03-11
175cm = 5'9
That's taller than 80% of women you brainlet that's not short at all its average.
1 Cuckkiller95 2018-03-11
Below average 5ft10 is average white male height.
1 LiterallyJustEmojis 2018-03-11
Absolutely. I'd say height really only makes a difference if you're below like 5'8. And that's only because women tend to prefer guys taller than them. And even then, there are plenty of girls who don't care or are short enough.
I mean, I would be hesitant to date a woman taller than me. And I'd also he hesitant to date a woman heavier than me.
1 comeondantheman 2018-03-11
5’9 is an average male height you dumb fuck
1 Northanui 2018-03-11
I could have said like 168 what would be your argument then you stupid fuck? I've seen plenty of short guys (read: 170 and below) get women all the time, even if in this specific fucking case it was 175ish, you can strawman it all you want.
1 Cuckkiller95 2018-03-11
5ft10 you dumb fuck, ratio is brought down in the US by indiancels, beancels, and ricecels.
1 Blackshirts98 2018-03-11
So because you personally experienced this it is fact?
1 TheYsbryd 2018-03-11
Anecdotal evidence is the only required evidence
1 Blackshirts98 2018-03-11
Which is why this sub is complete nonsense only used to justify how scared all of you are
1 Cuckkiller95 2018-03-11
Some anecdotal evidence for you
"Hey guys I'm black, people call me nigger"
Blackshirts98
HOW DARE YOU TELL ME WHAT IM GOING TO SAY!
1 comeondantheman 2018-03-11
I love how you dumb reddit fags will agree with anyone’s personal experience as long as it jives with your worldview. This guy wrote a well thought out and articulate description of his experience as a short guy with women.
No fucking shit it’s anecdotal you dumb mother fucker but that doesn’t matter when it’s some stupid bitch on twox crying because someone whistled at her. Anecdotal stories is all twox is, I don’t see you people pointing that out in their comments section. And there’s not exactly quantitative data that supports any rebuttal against this guys anecdotal life experience, unless of course you’d like to show us some.
1 Blackshirts98 2018-03-11
Again you’re using confirmation bias to even tell me what I’m going to do lol. The thing is, is that you treat things like pure fact when you don’t actually have facts. You run to a sub that obviously just serves to confirm your own fears
1 cnapcnsowc 2018-03-11
Everything about this ancedotal, but it is certaintly a fact that women dont find shortness attractive and thats stated by every study done on this
1 Blackshirts98 2018-03-11
Okay, yes women prefer guys to be 6 foot. But guess what 90% of the population isn’t 6 foot. All because we may genetically prefer something does not mean that has to be the reality
1 Short_Incel_Throw 2018-03-11
It's not fact. But what I am saying is what I've heard many women think about short guys (he's cute but...) and how I've seen many women treat short guys myself. I've never known a short guy who gets laid as much as a tall guy does.
1 Blackshirts98 2018-03-11
You’re right height does play a role, I’m not trying to say it doesn’t, however it’s not game over. The more you spend wallowing in self pity and letting hate for women grow the more chance you will never find a woman. You were given a generic allotment in life that yah can suck, but choosing for yourself that women won’t be with you will get you nothing
1 Short_Incel_Throw 2018-03-11
Okay then, help me find a way to become more attractive to women. I've been trying seriously to get out of inceldom for the last two years.
1 Blackshirts98 2018-03-11
You gotta first respect yourself and accept the fact that you’re short. If you can’t respect yourself why would a woman or man ever respect you. I know confidence might seem impossible and you’ll have self doubt. But you gotta move past your own fears man. It’s the self fulfilling prophecy. If you say “I’m short I’ll never get laid” you will never get laid. Also get the hell off this sub. It only serves as confirmation bias and to attack any confidence you could have. As well as warping your view of women.
1 cnapcnsowc 2018-03-11
Bro it is impossible to build confidence in something you never succeed at
1 mazafakaaaa 2018-03-11
just be yourself bro
1 Blackshirts98 2018-03-11
I’m not saying be yourself. Because the majority of this sub has no confidence and blames all their problems on others. I’m saying be better than who you currently are and accept what life has given you. Cause it’s not going to change
1 mazafakaaaa 2018-03-11
just be yourself but better bro
It's actually a great advice... for anyone else but incels. People coming here should really understand that being an incel (talking about trucels) is really far from the norm and thus normal advice (which they have heard x10000 already) won't help AT ALL.
Just accept that your advices are useless and go on your way.
1 Blackshirts98 2018-03-11
I’m talking to the people who are simply letting height be their only barrier
1 Short_Bitter_Faggot 2018-03-11
It's impossible to have genuine confidence if you're constantly treated like shit/rejected, retard.
1 Blackshirts98 2018-03-11
Then pretend you have confidence. Lie to yourself. Who cares how you start, but you need to build a foundation off something.
1 TheMoki 2018-03-11
Listen to Dr. Robert Glover on YouTube. For an hour. See if you can spot yourself in what he says regarding Nice Guy syndrome.
1 Short_Incel_Throw 2018-03-11
I used to do NiceguyTM stuff, not anymore.
1 TheMoki 2018-03-11
He's got more to say. Explains that you can actually be a great human being and still get women and so on.
1 SkinnyPoorAndIncel 2018-03-11
Why was this post deleted from /r/short?
You should consider posting this on /r/foreveralone. They need this lowdown.
1 Short_Incel_Throw 2018-03-11
They deleted it I guess. I give you permission to repost this on FA. I don't want the karma, I just want to share knowledge.
1 SkinnyPoorAndIncel 2018-03-11
Why don't you just post it?
1 womenshouldnotvote 2018-03-11
they deleted it because /r/short is literally manlets in denial and put women on pedestals
there's even a five foot girl dating a 6'2 or 6'3 man who is being worshipped there just because she posts about how it's all about your personality bullshit when it comes to dating women
1 Vortiya 2018-03-11
Lol do you know where I can find any of those posts you’re talking about? I pretty much guessed that’s what goes on there
1 pretty_boy_game 2018-03-11
I am 6'3" ish. Is that short in 2018
1 methaferus 2018-03-11
I don't think so
1 fuckin_kiddin_me_rn 2018-03-11
Lmao pathetic Manlet. You need to be atleast 6'7" to even look a woman in the eyes in 2018.
1 armenianbirdcel 2018-03-11
I have an even more simple explanation: they are black
1 changeIsTheWay 2018-03-11
*have handsome faces
FTFY
1 bapatasix 2018-03-11
im 5'3 and you really dont know what youre talking about lol get some fresh air sometime
1 kermit_was_right 2018-03-11
I think people know their friends well enough to know whether they are getting laid or are in relationships or not. I know short and tall people who are good with women (many of them are now married to great women), and short and tall people who are not. I'm pretty short myself, and it's never really held me back from finding attractive partners. This isn't some kind of myth, that's literally the reality for a lot of people. There has never really been any real downtime in my romantic life, and between bouts of serial monogamy, I've had a lot of casual fun as well.
And yeah, being tall is an attractive characteristic - and very important to some people. Everyone has their dealbreakers. I do too - actually I'm quite picky. But empirically, a whole lot of women were happy to date me at 5'7", and if my current relationship doesn't work out, there will be lots of others.
1 Short_Incel_Throw 2018-03-11
You were lucky then. Cheers.
1 kermit_was_right 2018-03-11
Luck, both and bad, is a huge part of life - there is no going around it. You have to learn to capitalize on windfalls and opportunities, and mitigate the shit harvests. I have indeed been extremely lucky in life - relatively robust physical and mental health, supportive family, opportunity for education, etc. Tons of people have it way worse, though lots have it better as well.
But we all have to do what we can with what we get.
1 avtarius 2018-03-11
I'm 5'6" so yes can attest to #2 and #3 ... #1 can be solved.
Life is all about transactional value so yes it's an uphill battle if you're not physically superior, followed by aesthetically pleasing.
1 Short_Incel_Throw 2018-03-11
It's all about appearance. You have to look like you can beat someone up in order to be seen as sexually attractive.
I've been kickboxing for over a year and I can deadlift four plates, squat just over three plates and bench two plates.
I have held my own against taller, heavier opponents several times. I just don't look the part so to women it doesn't matter.
1 disabledguy888 2018-03-11
Yes they want the strong dominant man. Being tall is a reflection of his potential for this.
It’s why my 6 ft 4 hockey player roommate in college got girls left and right while I at 5 ft 9 with average face didn’t. Actually reminds me of a time when I went out with him to a bar and girls were lighting up and had the look of sexual hunger in their eyes when they saw him. They were disgusted with my incel body
1 whatisthisshow2002 2018-03-11
I'm actually really curious to know how you came to this conclusion. Not trying to hate, everyone's entitled to their worldview, but what's led you to come to this series of beliefs? Most girls I know actually prefer guys who are slightly emotional/funny and shy away for violence. The height discrimination thing is absolutely still there, but I wouldn't say all women view short men sexually.