I can’t take short men serious in almost all circumstances tbh.

An exception would be one of my employees is like maaaayyyybe 5’3”. Tiny little mid-20s Cuban, 12/10 face, always immaculate hair and stubble, killer voice, buff but not in a ridiculously compensating, ridiculously hard worker, does outreach work for homeless youth and he’s just an excellent person all around and everyone loves him. His wife is taller than him and gorgeous, too.

It’s not necessarily over for manlets. You just have to be one of the best people alive if you’re short.

I love him to death and he’s really wonderful. I never really thought about how emasculating life must be for incredibly short dudes until I started lurking here, but yeah it’s impressive af all things considered

I know you like to shitpost, but - most things about being a short male aren't readily noticeable to people who don't experience it.

Like most male problems, they're back-loaded rather than front-loaded.

I know I'm not sexy, or desirable, I know that. It sucks, but it's not crushing. What's crushing is what you described for your worker - but more than that. You have to jump through hoops, but even when you do that - assume ~ half of your effort will be perceived as anger, bitterness, or compensating. Therefore not genuine. That sucks, man. It just really sucks.

I’ve developed a lot of empathy for short guys since I started coming here. Like I said, it never once occurred to me how constantly and immediately invalidated you are just by nature of your height until I saw the threads on this sub talking about it. There isn’t really ever going to be anything you can do about it either, even with shin lengthening or whatever it’s called surgery, you’re only getting a few inches tops.

How completely subconscious my inability to take short men seriously was really striking once I noticed it. I’m not a better person for it or anything and it’s not really going to change much, but it’s something I’m now aware of at least and can hopefully rectify needlessly dismissive first impressions with in the future.

Tbqh the thought of going through life being under like 5’6” gives me anxiety and I’d rather not think about it. That really fucking sucks for you guys and anyone who says it isn’t a big deal should be slapped senseless.

It sucks, not gonna lie. Sucks real bad. I've been emasculated and embarrassed more times than I care to admit, buy women and men.

But I try not to let it get me down. I just own it. I want to start hiking and climbing. I've a friend who does bouldering and really enjoys it. I don't really care for team sports like basketball or football. I'd rather compete on a team at a something, but have it be more individual. Like where I'm responsible for my own score and that's it.

half of your effort will be perceived as anger, bitterness, or compensating.

Society is a reproductive cult. Women are the limiting agent of reproduction. A man's respect in society is his perceived ability to attract women, in the past present or future. Women are sexually attracted to men that are dominant over other males. If you appear physically inferior with regards to your ability to dominate other males, then your ability to attract women will also be inferior. When people in society understand that you are not attractive to women for reproduction, they disrespect you and voluntarily choose to view everything you do as a means to make up for your inferiority.

Society is sick. People are unthinking sheep. We have to start valuing men as full people regardless of our reproductive convenience to women.

Just lol @ even trying. Being a literal leach is more rewarding than jumping through hoops to get some nobody’s respect. This is why I have no remotest for cheating my way through school, or basically every other aspect of my life. If I’m being placed at an unfair advantage I’m going to take the easiest route possible.

Like most male problems, they're back-loaded rather than front-loaded.

There's a joke somewhere in there...

What hoops? Let's take the stuff in there that's not just pure genetics.

• solid and consistent grooming
• fit
• hard worker
• compassionate human being who puts in the effort
• outgoing and popular, "excellent person all around"

That's not jumping through hoops. That's called living. And yeah, some people are better at it than others.

• Grooming better than other men
• More fit than other men
• Work harder than other men
• More compassionate than other men
• Excellent person better than other men

It all leads to being better than the guy beside you. And if that guy is taller he's going to have a +1.

They can have it, honestly. I'll admit it sucks being lonely sometimes. But I'm not going to put on a clown suit and dance like I see so many other short guys do.

Living as full and high-functioning life as you're able to = putting on a clown suit? Dude.

Funny thing is that if you're doing that shit just for image or to get laid, it'll never work long term anyhow. You'll get that hot girlfriend and stop, the energy outlay is just too hard to sustain.

Generally, people like that simply genuinely want to get more out of life, on every level, and be successful at the things they do. There are plenty of high functioning people around, take a look.

Kill yourself

Tiny little mid-20s Cuban, 12/10 face, always immaculate hair and stubble, killer voice, buff

Just be an attractive man at that size if u wanna get girls

When you have a good looking face people imagine you as taller, I grew a bit now but when I was younger I was always below average height but I was never picked on and it never hurt me because of my face.

How women mistreat short men and instinctively view them nonsexually proves and makes obvious everything there is to know about women's sexuality.

Women are sexually attracted to men with a superior potential for violence.

Women want men that are dominant over other men.

Men are objects to women.

Men are the romantic sex.

I have held my own against taller, heavier opponents several times. I just don't look the part so to women it doesn't matter.

you probably have a good athletic physique but look dYEL in clothes

Yes they want the strong dominant man. Being tall is a reflection of his potential for this.

It’s why my 6 ft 4 hockey player roommate in college got girls left and right while I at 5 ft 9 with average face didn’t. Actually reminds me of a time when I went out with him to a bar and girls were lighting up and had the look of sexual hunger in their eyes when they saw him. They were disgusted with my incel body

I'm actually really curious to know how you came to this conclusion. Not trying to hate, everyone's entitled to their worldview, but what's led you to come to this series of beliefs? Most girls I know actually prefer guys who are slightly emotional/funny and shy away for violence. The height discrimination thing is absolutely still there, but I wouldn't say all women view short men sexually.

They don't give a fuck. They love circle jerking in their echo chamber and occasionally coming here to encourage incels to sui.

Ofc not. Only the false flag and parody posts posts show up there.

I'm short. Have had plenty of success with women.

Several inches shorter than the average man, shorter than the average woman, met my current girlfriend when I was pudgy and looked like this. I've since gotten myself into great shape, but I've never had a problem with girls as long as they aren't incredibly shallow.

I've always been very introverted, but a long time ago began forcing myself to socialize to work on my social skills. I'm not attractive enough to pick girls up at clubs or on dating apps, but it's not my thing anyway. I just live my life and put myself into a position to meet people with similar interests. I met my girlfriend volunteering at an elephant sanctuary in Thailand, we just clicked.

You look older than me. What's your height and age?

I think i was 29 in that picture

Looks don't change that much between 24 and 29. Anyways, if you have seen my pics here you probably noticed that I am the youngest-looking incel here. I am 24 and despite of how young looking all short men are, no short man looks as young as me.

I looked about 15 when I was 21, maybe 17 when I was 25. In my thirties now I guess I've aged a bit because people say I look low twenties these days.

How short exactly. And fatcels are volcels.

Wonderful topic!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/83jt5k/its_over_for_manlets/dviuem2/?context=0

look at this shit roasties are spewing on our own sub

This is very woke knowledge you’re dropping, brother.

High IQ post. This is 100% correct

Absolute rage/suifuel, but it’s all true. I can’t help but laugh at fellow manlets who have large social circles of female friends, yet none of them see any action. It’s so obvious what they’re trying to do, it’s pathetic.

Yep, fuck women. I will never treat them like equals.

case in point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCa0_4KvdAA

one of the most brutal video I've ever seen

I wish the mods would pin these Blackpill videos and threads so that brigading normies could see it.

Cope. Not all short men in his 20s are neotenous looking.

Do any of them look younger than me. BTW I am 24 and 5'3". I look way younger than most guys around my height and age imho.

That's what I am saying. No short guy around my height and age looks as young as me.

Cope. all this "only tall chads get laid" is the worst cope on this sub ever.

I went to dinner today with my parents, next to me was a guy who was about 175cm tall. Beautiful gf, holding hands all dinner.

This, while anecdotal, happens to me almost every day.

The true black pill is realizing some people are just chosen to get laid or experience girls, while others are not. It's most likely all just luck from what I can tell. It's that simple. Sure there are some external factors, but this gigachad tallCock bullshit you guys are all desperately coping up around here is 100% not it.

175cm = 5'9

That's taller than 80% of women you brainlet that's not short at all its average.

Below average 5ft10 is average white male height.

Absolutely. I'd say height really only makes a difference if you're below like 5'8. And that's only because women tend to prefer guys taller than them. And even then, there are plenty of girls who don't care or are short enough.

I mean, I would be hesitant to date a woman taller than me. And I'd also he hesitant to date a woman heavier than me.

5’9 is an average male height you dumb fuck

I could have said like 168 what would be your argument then you stupid fuck? I've seen plenty of short guys (read: 170 and below) get women all the time, even if in this specific fucking case it was 175ish, you can strawman it all you want.

5ft10 you dumb fuck, ratio is brought down in the US by indiancels, beancels, and ricecels.

So because you personally experienced this it is fact?

Anecdotal evidence is the only required evidence

Which is why this sub is complete nonsense only used to justify how scared all of you are

Some anecdotal evidence for you

"Hey guys I'm black, people call me nigger"

Blackshirts98

HOW DARE YOU TELL ME WHAT IM GOING TO SAY!

I love how you dumb reddit fags will agree with anyone’s personal experience as long as it jives with your worldview. This guy wrote a well thought out and articulate description of his experience as a short guy with women.

No fucking shit it’s anecdotal you dumb mother fucker but that doesn’t matter when it’s some stupid bitch on twox crying because someone whistled at her. Anecdotal stories is all twox is, I don’t see you people pointing that out in their comments section. And there’s not exactly quantitative data that supports any rebuttal against this guys anecdotal life experience, unless of course you’d like to show us some.

Again you’re using confirmation bias to even tell me what I’m going to do lol. The thing is, is that you treat things like pure fact when you don’t actually have facts. You run to a sub that obviously just serves to confirm your own fears

Everything about this ancedotal, but it is certaintly a fact that women dont find shortness attractive and thats stated by every study done on this

Okay, yes women prefer guys to be 6 foot. But guess what 90% of the population isn’t 6 foot. All because we may genetically prefer something does not mean that has to be the reality

You’re right height does play a role, I’m not trying to say it doesn’t, however it’s not game over. The more you spend wallowing in self pity and letting hate for women grow the more chance you will never find a woman. You were given a generic allotment in life that yah can suck, but choosing for yourself that women won’t be with you will get you nothing

You gotta first respect yourself and accept the fact that you’re short. If you can’t respect yourself why would a woman or man ever respect you. I know confidence might seem impossible and you’ll have self doubt. But you gotta move past your own fears man. It’s the self fulfilling prophecy. If you say “I’m short I’ll never get laid” you will never get laid. Also get the hell off this sub. It only serves as confirmation bias and to attack any confidence you could have. As well as warping your view of women.

Bro it is impossible to build confidence in something you never succeed at

just be yourself bro

I’m not saying be yourself. Because the majority of this sub has no confidence and blames all their problems on others. I’m saying be better than who you currently are and accept what life has given you. Cause it’s not going to change

just be yourself but better bro

It's actually a great advice... for anyone else but incels. People coming here should really understand that being an incel (talking about trucels) is really far from the norm and thus normal advice (which they have heard x10000 already) won't help AT ALL.

Just accept that your advices are useless and go on your way.

I’m talking to the people who are simply letting height be their only barrier

It's impossible to have genuine confidence if you're constantly treated like shit/rejected, retard.

Then pretend you have confidence. Lie to yourself. Who cares how you start, but you need to build a foundation off something.

Listen to Dr. Robert Glover on YouTube. For an hour. See if you can spot yourself in what he says regarding Nice Guy syndrome.

He's got more to say. Explains that you can actually be a great human being and still get women and so on.

Why was this post deleted from /r/short?

You should consider posting this on /r/foreveralone. They need this lowdown.

Why don't you just post it?

they deleted it because /r/short is literally manlets in denial and put women on pedestals

there's even a five foot girl dating a 6'2 or 6'3 man who is being worshipped there just because she posts about how it's all about your personality bullshit when it comes to dating women

Lol do you know where I can find any of those posts you’re talking about? I pretty much guessed that’s what goes on there

I am 6'3" ish. Is that short in 2018

I don't think so

Lmao pathetic Manlet. You need to be atleast 6'7" to even look a woman in the eyes in 2018.

I have an even more simple explanation: they are black

*have handsome faces

FTFY

im 5'3 and you really dont know what youre talking about lol get some fresh air sometime

I think people know their friends well enough to know whether they are getting laid or are in relationships or not. I know short and tall people who are good with women (many of them are now married to great women), and short and tall people who are not. I'm pretty short myself, and it's never really held me back from finding attractive partners. This isn't some kind of myth, that's literally the reality for a lot of people. There has never really been any real downtime in my romantic life, and between bouts of serial monogamy, I've had a lot of casual fun as well.

And yeah, being tall is an attractive characteristic - and very important to some people. Everyone has their dealbreakers. I do too - actually I'm quite picky. But empirically, a whole lot of women were happy to date me at 5'7", and if my current relationship doesn't work out, there will be lots of others.

Luck, both and bad, is a huge part of life - there is no going around it. You have to learn to capitalize on windfalls and opportunities, and mitigate the shit harvests. I have indeed been extremely lucky in life - relatively robust physical and mental health, supportive family, opportunity for education, etc. Tons of people have it way worse, though lots have it better as well.

But we all have to do what we can with what we get.

I'm 5'6" so yes can attest to #2 and #3 ... #1 can be solved.

Life is all about transactional value so yes it's an uphill battle if you're not physically superior, followed by aesthetically pleasing.

Yes they want the strong dominant man. Being tall is a reflection of his potential for this.

It’s why my 6 ft 4 hockey player roommate in college got girls left and right while I at 5 ft 9 with average face didn’t. Actually reminds me of a time when I went out with him to a bar and girls were lighting up and had the look of sexual hunger in their eyes when they saw him. They were disgusted with my incel body

I'm actually really curious to know how you came to this conclusion. Not trying to hate, everyone's entitled to their worldview, but what's led you to come to this series of beliefs? Most girls I know actually prefer guys who are slightly emotional/funny and shy away for violence. The height discrimination thing is absolutely still there, but I wouldn't say all women view short men sexually.