I'm 5'8... Is that Manlet?

Yea. It's okay. I'm 5'9 at most. We are manlet bretheren.

It actually isn't okay

I know lol.

Shorter than both of you. Also brown. Doing just fine with an absolutely gorgeous girlfriend because I don't do shit like this:

I've harassed women like this for months and months.

Taller people may be more attractive on average than shorter men, but plenty of us shorties get by just fine.

Nope. If I were able to get a GF, then I would have found one BEFORE I even found these incel subreddits.

I doubt it. Post a pic with it partially blurred out then. Being brown is far worse than any height.

5'8 is considered the tallest manlet but still manlet. 5'9 and 5'10 are average height.

Lmao keep deluding yourself manlet

what are you trying to say? im responding to the comment above. Im actually not a manlet at so you can go fuck yourself normie

I smell a manlet in denial

Im 6'5"

5'8 to 5'11 is weird territory. 5'8 isn't great but it isn't the worst either. Some chicks don't mind it if they are shorter and can't get anything taller, but unless you have the face of a Greek god don't expect to be top choice. A lot of times even being 5'11 is iffy

Yep. King of the manlets starts at 5'10"

I'm 181cm. You need to be at least 183cm to be considered human by women

Who even notices 2 cm difference? Buy shoes with a 2 cm sole and voila.

top kek, I'm 179cm and I do cry about all the Chads towering over me and mogging me to oblivion

Australia is fucking brutal for this. As a man below 6'1" you don't even exist in the eyes of a female.

I hate Chadstralia so much

Just lol at us rotting away on reddit for yet another Sunday while Chad fucks his second Tinder date of the weekend. I wish I was Indian, at least I'd be able to 'return' to the homeland and date pajeeta.

i trade my ethnic genedms with ur white genes

Which kind of ethnic and how subhuman are you in relation to other ethnics of your kind?

Welcome back.

thanks brother

I'm a short girl and have never, ever, turned anyone down for being short, also never heard about tall girls rejecting short guys. I've had boyfriends who's about 160-170 cm, and they've never had issues getting laid, they also have tall ex gf's. Of course shallow, mean girls exists but you NEED to realise they are a minority.

Of course shallow, mean girls exists but you NEED to realise they are a MAJORITY*

a LOUD minority, honey

Majority, retard. I could ask every cunt on campus, and only a handful would admit being "okay" with being with a "short" guy.

aw babe no need to call me a retard <3 but what is short to you? how tall are these girls? what type of girls would you ask? i know generalizing is fun because that's all you guys ever do but seriously, i don't think i've ever heard or seen a girl reject a guy for being short

but what is short to you?

Shorter than 5'0

how tall are these girls?

Range from 4'8 to 6'1-6'2

what type of girls would you ask?

All of them, just to prove all women hate manlets

i don't think i've ever heard or seen a girl reject a guy for being short

Then you're either death/blind or full of shit. Stop being a virtue signaling cunt.

hmm let's see, i'm still in high school and everyone knows everyone so that's one factor to why i personally don't see/hear it, hmm, i also don't care enough to actually care what other people think, hmm i don't believe i was trying to be a virtue signaling cunt <3 i was just saying those girls are a loud minority ;)

High school? No wonder you don't know what you're talking about, high school relations don't mean a thing. Wait until you get into the real work and see how women actually act - not that you won't continue to deny it.

You sure seem like a pleasant guy to converse with, maybe that's the issue?

Daily reminded that literal wife beaters have no issue getting into relationshits granted they're tall.

Literal wifebeaters have no problem getting into a relationship because they're psychopaths, extremely manipulative and charismatic. They usually don't show any signs of aggression in the beginning.

Shouldn't women be able to detect that? I mean, women can apparently detect incels in real life with their sixth sense.

Also, lol if you think all wife beaters are psychopaths. Not even close.

Also, lol if you think all wife beaters are psychopaths. Not even close.

Uhm, not sure if you should be the one talking about over over-generalisation here, wifebeaters do absolutely not get away with violence because of looks anyways.

Learning from ones mistakes, I usually avoid the over charismatic ones. Having never seen or spoken to an incel irl makes it kinda difficult to know if we can detect them with our "sixth sense" lmao

Women have at least an extra five senses dedicated to incel detection, sincerity detectors, virgin detectors, rapist detectors(defective, frequently give off false positives), and reddit history readers that directly connect your posting to you in real life like some shit out of watchdogs.

All that and no abuser detectors?

Just ignore them ? Don't let toxic people ruin your self esteem!

it's kinda fun to see them get angry, but thanks for looking out for me! it's just interesting how they won't realise the actuality of how many mean girls are out there

So sad they don't realize that the way they picture a female, is sort of the worst ones out there, we all struggle with them :( also sad that they don't realize those girls actions is their way of coping with their own problems, just like many of the people in this sub are doing.

yeah :c but seeing that small percentage of girls gives them the fuel to hate on girls in general, which admittedly isn't fair, but what can you do?

Just hope they see the light someday I guess. Keep up the good keyboard warfare! Maybe someone reading it will get an epiphany :)

you too! have a good night too and make sure to take care of yourself because you seem like a wonderful person! :>

Aw thank you! Likewise!

Several girls, when I asked them out, responded with, "I only date normal-sized men, sorry."

Is it all girls? No.

Is it enough that it seriously impacts my dating pool as a 5'5" man? Yes.

Well I'm sorry that the girls in your dating pool are cunts if they're actually like that, and I know that you don't need my sympathy, but those girls are assholes.

what kind of guy attracts you?

The ones I find out I can have interesting conversations with, either intellectual or emotional. I want to study something in the science field, so most are students of science I admit. I'm an introvert and really nervous around people so romantic interests usually have the ability to make me feel at ease quickly. The only silver lining considering looks are dark eyes, but I've been attracted to any sort of man really as long as I felt a good connection.

lucky you to be an introverted girl. being an introverted man is a death sentence. people call you creepy for being a quite man.

It usually doesn't go well for me either, either a bitch or self obsessed. I really appreciate those around me that get why I am quiet. And you're probably spot out those who struggle likewise when socialising, try to help them relax, they'll appreciate it!

'' try to help them relax, they'll appreciate it!''

XD am the one who is the introvert here.

Take it however you want, just an honest advice.

Where do I find these non-shallow girls? Because I've asked out dozens of women and I've been rejected every time. I'm 5'5".

What kind of girls do you like? I'm pretty non-shallow, and extremely sure that I'm not a very special snowflake.

I'll take anything that I can get. I've learned to not have preferences since I can't afford to have them.

If you're a nice guy, any down to earth girl would give you a chance. Get to know them first.

Oh yes, many girls have given me a chance. As a friend. Because if you have a decent personality as a short, ugly guy, you're just a friend to most women. You're not sexually attractive to them.

I know because I have many girl friends and over years of being friends with them (genuinely, not expecting anything in return), none of them have changed their perception of me and saw me as any more than a friend.

It takes time, most probably someone will show up, very few go through life alone :) And it really isn't everything, you have something you burn for?

It's the one thing in life that, if I had, would make me feel at ease. I hate sounding entitled, but as someone who actually took the time and effort to gymcel for two years to get the physique I want, take up several competitive hobbies, study and work two part-time jobs, and volunteer as a mentor for youth, I really feel like I'm giving a lot to society and getting nothing in return. None of my achievements matter, not my high GPA, not my 40K a year income despite being a student, not my medals from winning powerlifting competitions, and not my physique, if there isn't a woman in my life to appreciate it.

Don't stress it so much, if you come across as really I need of a woman, it might be scary. If you're so dependant on another persons love, the other person will feel responsible for your well being, and that's unhealthy.

I'm no expert, and I don't know how you really are. But you seem like a good, hardworking person, and you deserve to acknowledge that. Remember to do things for yourself and not always others. I root for you !

As RT999 said, you sound like a decent person but remember who you’re doing these things for - yourself! It also sounds like you have a very busy life keeping on top of all you are, this in itself can make it difficult to build/maintain a romantic relationship with someone.

Keep doing well. It will all come together with time.

No, it won't. Women, and society will look at him and think he's an overcompensating faggot and trying to make something of his life. No one will ever look past his height, or see that he obviously has a lot more to offer.

You're speaking to someone who says she wouldn't turn down a man for being short. Do you think this is true? I think it's more likely that she's incapable of being attracted to manlets but on a conscious level decides against dating each short man for a reason that's more socially acceptable - personality mismatch, hairstyle and so on.

Oh yes, the "we just lack chemistry" meme, despite sharing same interests and her enjoying spending time with me.

Chemistry is nothing more than the feeling a female gets when a Chad face is nearby

You two sure give supportive and constructive advice... I've had feelings for short guys, tall guys, skinny guys, large guys, with plenty of different personalities. How about actually listening, and start focusing on the real problem, which really comes down to yourself. I think your way of supporting those in pain like yourself is despicable. I'd say the way you treat humans in this sub is a turn off. Shame on you!

Dude it's just getting annoying at this point.

You don't. She's a lying, virtue signaling piece of shit. She wouldn't even give guys like us a second glance in the streets.

all you need to do is go to r/tall . Plenty of 5'8" women and above saying they are sad because they can't find 6'5" Chad and are digusted that manlets even look at them.

All i see is tallpeopleproblems... if you're that obsessed with blaming your own insecurities on others you I guess you'd take it as some some insult. Jesus, work with your self esteem and you might start looking at life differently.

Easier said then done though as we are almost too far beyond damage, try to atleast sympathise and sound more accommodating.

They're far from minority, if you really are the kind girl then you are the minority.

Nah, we're just more quiet than these kinds of girls, we don't feel the need to harass other people to feel better about ourselves :)

Well that's a damn shame then because the guys that want you types of girls can't even get you because we're all too shy and quiet too and can't approach

So whether or not you guys actually exist, we can't form relationships with y'all.

Then it's really up to you to find the courage to start a conversation, being shy and quiet is a struggle but you won't get anywhere I you don't speak up :)

I tried being more confident for a bit and I embarrassed myself and hated it a lot so there's just no hope but thanks for the sentiment.

I used to be do isolated that every time I tried to socialize it just ended up weird, it felt awful and embarrassing. I kept on trying and did exposure training cuz I just had to stop being so miserable somehow. Lots of embarrassment, but I stopped being scared after half a year of hard work. Now I'm able to naturally interact. And embarrassing myself isn't anything I dwell on, people do it all the time, maybe several times a day sometimes. It's a part of life

Yeah well maybe for me it might come but maybe not. Socialising is a beast of its own.

Lying piece of shit. Fuck you.

What's up?

Stop being a virtue signaling piece of garbage. You would never give a manlet a chance.

According to the height requirements I've mostly been with manlets. It's not really virtue signalling when a man's (or woman's) height is something most people don't bother talking about. A manlet of mine looked at this yesterday and wondered how he often got laid then. Secret: height. isn't. Important.

height is something most people don't bother talking about

HAHAHAHAHAHA now I know you're full of shit. You're delusional if you don't think height is the most important thing women look for in a partner. And no, before you go spouting your bullshit, it isn't a minority of women - it's the vast majority.

Being taller than them isn't good enough, they want you to tower over them. So, unless I stick with literal midgets, no women will ever accept my height.

A manlet of mine looked at this yesterday and wondered how he often got laid then

I'm sure this person exists. Even if he does, it's apparent you don't respect his status as a human being.

Also, manlet is general. A lot of women think some faggot who's 5'9 is a manlet, when they're painfully average. They don't even register the guys like me, who are shorter than 5'7. Cunt.

You're actually taller than him if your height is 5'7 lmao

I'm 5'5, retard.

Oh you see, I didn't care about it. Still you're about the same height. Now how does he do it, I wonder.

He doesn't. You're making him up, just like every other normalfag piece of shit who claims to know "socially successful" short guys. Either that, or he does exist, and he's nothing more than a beta orbiting faggot - which I would believe.

Weird. I could have sworn he's getting laid almost as much as he wants, before me too. And we all know it's not because of his personality or confidence( fuck that shit right). Must be my imagination. But as a Stacy cunt retard or whatever you call me, why would I go dreaming about a short guy?

It is your imagination. I don't know what it is with people like you, but you're hellbent on lying to us - as if that would accomplish anything. You're like the rest of them, a virtue signaling piece of shit hoping her lies will keep us complacent and allow us to orbit you further.

Hah... Now I'm the bad Stacy for actually not caring about height. My exes or anyone I know give a shit about this. The last time they got picked on for their height was in junior high, where, you know, anyone gets picked on for nothing. Instead of letting this be our doom we just move on and realize most people don't grow up to be assholes.

Kinda explains why I'm a senior in college and still get harassed for being short. Oh wait, it's because you're full of shit.

Something makes me think it's rather your attitude. I imagine your hatred and anger just overclouds even the most casual conversation. Or you're trying to hang with immature pricks.

Can't be my le attitude since I don't bother talking to anyway. Despite that, I'll still hear snide "midget" and "manlet" comments hurled my way, even from people I don't know whatsoever.

Hmmm you're not talking to anyone, and expect people to come to you? not how it works, you can't blame them if they don't even know you want to. You think people are talking behind your back, even tho you don't know them? Sounds like social anxiety dude.

Hmmm you're not talking to anyone, and expect people to come to you?

Women will make it obvious if they're interested in you. There's no point in going around and seeing what will stick, when they have already demonstrated the don't like you.

You think people are talking behind your back, even tho you don't know them?

Yeah, it's pure merely a coincidence I heard that terms while walking past them, right?

I usually try to not lose my shit when I see guys I'm interested in, and connecting with someone usually happens prior to interest, so I won't notice people I've never spoken to... But what do I know, I'm just a woman.

Yeah no, gonna stick with paranoia and stress this one. Which really sucks for the person having such thoughts, but it's actually just your mind who's being mean to you, not random strangers.

i'm 5'3 so honestly it sounds like none of you guys so far are short at all? this is a personal preference but as long as you're 5'3 or taller then that'd be something, but i wouldn't exclude anyone else than that if they really cared about a relationship and not just to bang.

Figures a cunt wouldn't put out for a manlet lol.

So you’ve been fucking way taller guys and don’t have a problem “settling” for short guys.

"like to fuck way taller guys" did i not just say 5'3 is also great?? the actuality of dating really tall guys as a short girl is that shit gets awkward, sorry bud but i'm not looking for a 6'0+ chad or chadlite lmao

Dating is different from fucking That’s the key point

i don't wanna be that stereotype of "personality matters teehee" but, if a short guy and i clicked then yeah i'd give him a shot, it's not like if a random ass attractive tall guy wanted to fuck me i'd immediately say yes

That’s exactly it, you don’t see short guys as physically attractive which means you wouldn’t have a problem dumping them/divorce raping them/cucking them

Woahhh, calm down with those wild accusations for a moment. Firstly, I wouldn't dump someone just for being short, nor "divorce rape" them or call fake rape accusations, or cuck them, sorry to break it to you but the majority of girls aren't like that. Secondly, just because there isn't an immediate physical attraction doesn't mean there's 0% chance dude.

You’d find it easier to do it to them.

Divorce rape is the concept of taking half or more of his earnings through divorce.

Would you be as sexually adventurous with these short dudes instantly like you would with the taller guys?

Well I'm actually not surprised you'd say something like that. Usually, and this is an unpopular actuality, but people aren't going to do that just because you're short. If you marry someone just to get their earnings, then you're a shitty person: male or female. It doesn't matter what you have in your pants, you're a shitty person if you do that.

If I were the slutty type who was down to fuck with no strings (which I'm actually not), yeah why not? But the thing is, tall guys have to click with me just as much as short guys would. I'm pretty sure I've said I wouldn't just fuck a random tall guy out of nowhere, just as I wouldn't fuck a "normal" height guy or a short guy out of the blue.

just because there isn't an immediate physical attraction doesn't mean there's 0% chance dude.

S E T T L I N G

"Give it a shot" is different from having actually wanting this guy.

Give it a shot is something you would say when your actual crush doesn't want you but this guy is giving you the time of day so, whatever you will settle.

We don't want to be settled with.

To me, "give it a shot" is a new opportunity, not settling for something less. But I do understand where you're coming from with that and I'm sorry if you've personally experienced that, that's really shitty and no one really wants to be settled with. :c

Yes! Kissing or hugging for example, one ends up with bad knees and back while the other gets whiplash and toe cramps lol

You're not looking for a Chad or Chadlite? Do you think you're in the position to land a Chad of such a high caliber? It always seems like I hear the ugliest fattest women opine on how they would never date a Chad, then go on to a tangent regurgitating a litany of things on what they want in a man. Are you types just delusional about your looks and value leading to narcissism, or is it a defense mechanism - reject something that will no doubt reject you? I am curious to know.

Actual conversation? sweet! I want to firstly say that "Chad" doesn't exist, he's a personified minority of guys, what some people think is the true ultimate "perfect guy". So, it makes sense that I don't look for a "Chad" or "Chadlite", because I'm not delusional. Whether I'm ugly or not is up to other people, I might be someone's type, and another's worst nightmare. I personally think I'm cute, and not drop-dead sexy at all! Because I don't try to be sexy or hot because I don't need to. And as for fat, yeah my self esteem will say I'm fat but I'm not? Do you want to know my type to see if it's a delusional fantasy? That is a genuine question. :0 I'm not really narcissist so that cancels that, and I'm not really rejecting anyone? Not actively looking for the unrealistic "Chad" isn't rejecting.

Beauty is more objective than you think. There have been studies done on facial aesthetics showing that beauty isn't so much in the eye of the beholder.

There is a reason why fat and older men are not sex symbols to women, and why fat and older women are generally found undesirable by virtually all men with the exception of a minority of fetishists. It's not the classic cliche that I hear routinely espoused; that is everyone is different.

I'm preeeeetty sure I never said "ugly doesn't exist", I just said I might not be somebody's type lmao. Of course with our mainstream media beauty is a lot more objective, I don't disagree with that statement at all! Same with the middle section, unless it's a fetish then older fatter people aren't as desirable as a young adult, I agree with you with that lmao

Oh, it's the mainstream media just brainwashing everyone into being attracted to certain people? I just thought it was biology, being at a good weight with good teeth and facial symmetry is a sign of youth, fertility, and good health.

You're 18, if you're not fat or deformed looking, you're every man's type.

Well if you let that influence you, yeah. I'm not saying anyone gets influenced by it. And no, not really. There's a consideration if guys like dating hispanics, if guys like glasses on a girl, if guys like the introvert or extrovert, if guys like the short girl or tall girl, some guys are shallow enough to have boob or ass size as their type: there's a multitude of factors. Being 18 is not really much of a type except now you're legal to fuck anyone, yay.

Whether she wears glasses, is Hispanic, introvert or extrovert are just trivial things in comparison to weight, youthful appearance, and facial symmetry.

Everyone has preferences, no matter how petty they are. I don't see any guy rejecting Jessica Alba if she wore glasses and preferred to stay home on the weekends and watch Netflix or be out in clubs and bars. There are many small breasted and small assed women in porn, but one thing they have in common is they are at a good weight and exude youth by having perky breasts and butts. Just as long as it don't have a flat ass which is odd looking or be completely flat chested.

Well I'm just saying that I'm not every guy's type, because if some guy or girl was into me for being young, not too fat, and having a nice face, then they can fuck right off.

I don't think weight should be with youth and facial symmetry but that's just me.

That handles the superficial element of physical attraction that is sufficient for things like one night stands. Pair bonding involves behaviors, beliefs, attitudes, personality.

You very well could be mean, spiteful, abusive, bereft of personality, selfish, boring, petty, a drug addict, thief, and a psychopath who cuts men's penises off when they sleep. Just qualities that are an anathema to building and maintaining a relationship.

I agree with the first paragraph that pair bonding does involve all that. It takes two to tango for a relationship, so, I don't really know how to respond! :0

Two to tango? ROFL

I'm not narcisstic

I think I'm cute

Yes you are. Females are selfish creatures and you are no exception. There are no exceptions. You would not date an incel, and if a Chad showed up and expected you to drop your panties for him, you absolutely would.

Well there's gotta be some self love PeppyHydra! lmao, it's a hard concept, I know. My panties aren't dropping for anyone—unless they're a really cute girl who wanted to be intimate, then hell yeah I'd drop my panties and even my bra for her. <3

Dyke until Chad shows up

You disgust me

Mmh, yeah, calling me a dyke is just as disgusting. Oh, but lesbians and bi-girl aren't a thing in an incels' eyes. Silly me, teehee.

¿When did I say lesbians aren't a thing?

You must be going crazy. I suppose that's just the female condition. Good luck with that, dyke girl

You know how incels make assumptions about everyone? Well I made an assumption that incels believe that lesbians don't exist because they truly want Chad. :)c

So you're lowering yourself to our level? Didn't think femoids were capable of doing anything else than

awww sweetie :)

in an argument.

Yeah because if I didn't no one would notice? :?

I have no idea what you're on about

Leave me alone

Have a nice Sunday then <3

Gay women don't exist. They're all bisexual. Especially ones at 18. LMAO.

Secondly, why is a gay woman on this sub? Gay women reduce the amount of available mates for straight men while gay men increase it. Naturally, gay women should be utterly loathed on this sub because of it.

Yikes buddy, might wanna look up what a lesbian is. Secondly, I'm bi so technically I like both pussy and dick, which should make me more hated. Maybe you should fix your personality and take cold showers more often, kek

Oh, bisexual? So you are one of those Fish N'Franks type of gals. I learned about those in Bible study class recently.

Well, there are many franks here to choose from, feel free to browse and select the best one for the occasion. I would hate to see you go down on a 300lb 46-year-old feminist lesbian with short hair who hasn't groomed since the 80's.

Well thank you for that, I have standards for the ladies as well as guys. And also thank you so so so much for crossing yourself off from a list of "franks" here <3 Because I'd never fuck a guy who learned about bisexuals in Bible study class. Red flags all around.

this is a personal preference

lol

lmao ikr, girls having preferences that aren't the chad stereotype, bizarre right? :0c

lol

What are your preferences then.

I'll just say my preferences for guys, since I'm sure no one here cares about my prefs for girls. For a guy, I'd prefer them to be either my age (18) or a little older, because I'm not into younger guys. Guys who have hair that I can run my fingers through are a blessing. I do admit that I prefer a guy who is either the same height or taller, weight doesn't really matter to me, nor does race/ethnicity. Ideally, I like guys who play videos games (sadly I haven't had the luxury to play anything that isn't from nintendo), watches youtube (gamegrumps is my fav gaming channel), and would appreciate that I draw a lot! And being a foodie is an extra bonus!

If only I met you 8 years ago...

yikes are you a pedophile

What? I meant that 8 years ago I was 18. Should of said if I were your age.

ohh, that makes more sense and less creepy lmao, sorry about that then ^{^}

You say this to virtue signal, but we both know that you wouldn't date a guy under 5'10" unless you were desperate.

OMG you totally figured me out teehee!—I'm not trying to virtue signal anything or anyone. If someone who liked me was 5'10 wanted to go out, then I'd say yes. If someone who liked me was 5'3, then I'd say yes. It's not being desperate or "settling", it's just being realistic.

If a 5'5 guy liked you and a 6'0 guy liked you at the same time, I'm sure the 6'0 guy wins that trade every day of the week due to attraction, better social power (more height = more respect), etc.

Well if it came to that, and both liked the same stuff I liked, it'd have to be some other factors that would make me choose one. Sorry to break it to you, but it's 2018, just because you're tall does not mean the world serves you hand and foot and that you have a higher social power over everyone else. Plus, that's a heartless reason to date someone if it was just dating for a higher status.

It pretty much does.

Hit me up when a man 5'8" or below becomes president. Last one I saw that ran got bullied by our current president for being short.

Alright, and in 3 years if you're in the chicagoland area, hit me up for some drinks or if you wanna eat somewhere :>

I've never been to Chicago, but I live decently close. How is life in Chicago?

Actually I don't live in the city because that shit is expensive and too risky lmao, I live in the country area outside of the city, like a good hour and half away. But it's not bad when you're visiting the city, it's really pretty looking at all the skyscrapers from a distance.

Putin's a president last time I checked.

While we're at it, here's a normie woman (6'1") who messaged me the other day about how height totally doesn't matter.

In an earlier comment she said:

How are you oblivious to the fact this is most likely the reason call you short ? They call you short by making fun of a trait you possess and that you are complexing about, because they know it'll hurt you. And yeah, made fun of short men before, but not because they were short.

Her argument was "hey I make fun of short guys because it's a weakness that they have! Not because they're short. I just smell their insecurity from a mile away!" which is complete bullshit. It's flat out height mocking.

And this is from someone who is supposed to be a good one, right? Telling us about how we're totally wrong about the shallowness and bullying of most women.

//I'm not ignoring this comment by the way—Oh I think the way incels bully women is horrible, but I also think the way that some people bully those with insecurities are assholes too, incels included. If someone is just using your height against you, whether you're too tall or too short, then they aren't worth your time tbh.

I think you forgot the sub you were on.

Every incel is ugly as fuck. You would not date an incel, you vapid bitch. Just because you say "I'd date a 5'3 guy" doesn't mean shit.

Every incel is ugly as fuck.

I know for a fact that this is not true. I know a slavic guy who posts here (won't reveal identity) who is convinced he is ugly but in reality is absolutely nowhere near ugly. I'm aware that normies will pretend actual ugly people are less ugly than they are, but this guy isn't even close to being below average, especially in his country.

Every *truecel

you're not technically wrong, but most people who aren't ugly here are equally convinced they're the truecels who really are irredeemably ugly

Yea, there are a few mentalcels and trolls like gambler, iamhopeless and dontcomplain out.

how do you know the ones who don't post their pictures are facecels if you know that mentalcels falsely believe they're just as ugly themselves?

Gambler and dontcomplain1 don’t believe that they are ugly, they just pretend to be to get PMs from lurking roasties. Gambler Skyped with our lovely female mod board_gaming but he immediately hang up when he saw her face. Board_gaming said it’s known that he tries to get girls do stuff on camera for him. dontcomplain1 says he’s a 7/10 and he’s not incel. I don’t know if iamhopeless thinks that he’s ugly. I don’t doubt there’s a reasonable amount of people here who are not ugly but socially retarded, shy, introverted, never tried looksmaxing but I’d say the majority is ugly / short.

Gambler and dontcomplain1 don’t believe that they are ugly

don't mean them, I know a slavic guy who posts here (won't reveal his identity but I know of this sub because of him) that genuinely believes hes incredibly ugly and in reality he is anywhere from a 6.5 to a 7.5 - probably higher in his home country - body dysmorphia in unconfident, reclusive people is quite common and super debilitating

Incels l o r e

just fucking kill yourself if you're below six foot tbh

manlet life is terrible

im a tallcel and can personally tell you that femoids just find other reasons that you're unacceptable

that doesn't change the fact that being short dries a woman's vagina faster than the Sahara desert

you also technically already have an advantage than most men; being a manlet is PURE suffering

fair point I guess, I literally have 0 experience with being a manlet. all i know is that the closest women every come to acknowledging my height is when they compare me to someone they do like ("oh I really like chad he's about anons height" or "I wish i could get a guy who was about anons height but not anon obviously")

Oh my. Are you really that ugly?

im an incel wtf do you think

im ugly, I'm socially stunted from years of being a fucking midget. women will find other reasons to hate you even if you're tall

How did you get taller? You need to tell me, now.

I’ll kill myself if I’m still a midget by the time I’m 18

you don't understand the scope of your tall privilege. Try adding SHORT onto your list of problems.

Not saying that tallcel=volcel, but being tall is literally a benefit to every part of life, not just dating.

being tall hasn't benefitted me in one way. maybe the shit that people put me through would be worst if I was short but I doubt it. people rarely treat me like a human being just like the rest of incels. height doesn't mean shit

I would trade heights with you instantly if I could, as long as you're under 6'7"

I feel you bro. Being a manlet is terrible, but being ugly trumps all of that, even height.

180cm is bellow 6ft

That's why it's better to be that size in a metric country. The psychological height cutoff women use to choose men is that 180cm.

if you're 5'11 you can just lie and say you're 6ft. No one will notice.

oh no we notice

Same for about 176-177cm and 180.

Just dont say that to a girl who is above 170cm. They understand

plenty of 6'5 incels on here

Imagine how fucked up the rest of them has to be.

You just have to be over 6’ they said.

I'm 6 foot 2: I was told I would have certain privileges. Where the fuck at?

I guess my face makes all the difference

you cant just have one box checked off and think your hot shit. you need at least a couple boxes checked off like height, face, muscle, money, etc.

I get that. But focusing so much about it isn't going to help. I don't know how you are acting towards people, but if you come across as " I really need someone", it can be scary. You probably heard something phony like: you can't love someone before you love yourself... It's true to some extent, you can love someone, but you'll become so dependant on the other person's love that it turns unhealthy for both parts. No one wants the risk of that. Again, I'm not sure how you are irl, and I'm no expert.

You seem like a good, hard working person, you deserve to acknowledge that! And I root for you, remember to do good things for yourself!

Shirt mogged

182 and I’m a cel so????????

Agreed. Height is like a multiplier, if you're a 5/10 but you're 6'3 = 7 or 8/10. But if you're 0/10, you remain 0/10.

Every male trait is a multiplier. Women assess the looks of a guy by taking the geometric mean of his qualities. If ANY of his traits are 0, then they consider the guy to overall be 0. Men on the other hand, just look at the girl's best trait. If she has an ugly face but a 10/10 rack, then the girl is a 10/10.

tfw 173 cm. It = Over.

175cm/5'9" in middle European country. Just fucking end me.

Literally me_irl

It's literally all about the face, the sooner you coping retards understand this, the better.

let me guess, you're tall :)

It's always the same fucking thing in these posts. Shortcels say height> face. Tallcels say face> height. Why not just come to a compromise that both height and face are needed? Although I will admit that tall people have it easier because they are intimidating, whether ugly or not. Source: 6'2" guy.

But when people are intimidated they are less likely to approach you.

Because both aren't needed. I see ugly, tall fucks with girlfriends all the fucking time. if you're entire argument is a manlet only needs a 10/10 face to do "okay" with cunts your argument is fucking stupid.

And I see short dudes with girlfriends all the time too. So who's right? Sounds like none of you.

And I see short dudes with girlfriends all the time

No, you don’t.

LOL oh okay I must have imagined it. One of my buddies is like 5'4" or something, maybe even 3", super fuckin short, and he has a pretty damn cute girlfriend.

By incel standards, I'm a paltry 5'11".

It's humiliating to see guys way shorter than me successful with women because of their face.

men u dont understand ofc face is a bit more valueable but height + height + in combination is the best amplifier out there

It's literally all about the face, the sooner you coping retards understand this, the better

This is what short men tell themselves to cope.

That's what tallfags tell themselves to cope. Manlets know it's their height.

The short chads can still pull so they aren't incels. The only short people here are ugly because they're incels, likewise for tallcels. Face mogs all, and if you're short, you're even more fucked.

Face is great on Tinder. Height works better in person.

LOL JUST HAVE A 10/10 FACE BRO

Fucking retard.

Username checks out. :)

Haha epic zinger bro!

hope you don’t use metric in front of girls

Unless you want to impress uneducated women from Liberia, Burma, or the USA, the metric system is ok.

All the people I know from the UK and Ireland use feet when measuring a persons height even though we use metric for everything else

That and "stones". You start talking with a brit about something, it sounds like they're using metric, and they start making those units up halfway through the conversation.

Or said girls can just convert the measurements. Math isn’t hard.

Yup its true. I never ever dated a guy under 5'10. Yuck

Wait, looking through your history, you’re an inceltears poster. This is confusing

what's so disgusting about guys under 5' 10

Im just aggreeing with you guys why the hostility? And pro ana bashing. I can lose pr gain weight but you cant fix your heights easily. So i aggree. Men who are short are undesirable. Confirmed.

Oh also its because im nearly 6ft so short mean are weird to me.

didn't need to say yuck did you

when your weight starts with 200

200 ponds with an eating disorder. I think she's doing it wrong, lol

Nupe. Just tall

Im also 6'0

okay you don't like shorter men than you that's fine but the way you worded made it sound like you're disgusted by shorter men. whatever i'd take being "short" 5'8" (my height) male over female anyday

Lol shariah law NOW

unless you are black

Nah.

blackcel 5'3

KYS incels. Stop suffering already.

I literally made this.

a LOUD minority, honey

I'll take anything that I can get. I've learned to not have preferences since I can't afford to have them.

Woahhh, calm down with those wild accusations for a moment. Firstly, I wouldn't dump someone just for being short, nor "divorce rape" them or call fake rape accusations, or cuck them, sorry to break it to you but the majority of girls aren't like that. Secondly, just because there isn't an immediate physical attraction doesn't mean there's 0% chance dude.

Oh yes, the "we just lack chemistry" meme, despite sharing same interests and her enjoying spending time with me.

I smell a manlet in denial

And I see short dudes with girlfriends all the time

No, you don’t.

LOL oh okay I must have imagined it. One of my buddies is like 5'4" or something, maybe even 3", super fuckin short, and he has a pretty damn cute girlfriend.

Nope. If I were able to get a GF, then I would have found one BEFORE I even found these incel subreddits.

I doubt it. Post a pic with it partially blurred out then. Being brown is far worse than any height.

Dude it's just getting annoying at this point.

I tried being more confident for a bit and I embarrassed myself and hated it a lot so there's just no hope but thanks for the sentiment.

Stop being a virtue signaling piece of garbage. You would never give a manlet a chance.