Believe it or not, there are awkward women with terrible social skills out there. Do you have any super nerdy hobbies? Try a Meetup group if you are in a decent size city. I went to a beginner D&D group at a comic book shop and there were actually some women there!

And just play it cool if you do talk to them. Let them talk. And actually pay attention and listen. I know it's a rush and hard to focus. Let her do like 70% of the talking.

It's dungeons and dragons. Without getting to into it's, it's the most complicated board game ever pretty much.

Well if you're active in a healthy hobby, why do you think you don't get female attention? Are you in shape? Or just nervous to speak with women?

Damn man, I wish I had some abs. Or at least like 10 lbs off my gut.

Hmmm... Face and height are tough. Height is just going to boil down to finding a woman who isn't against it unfortunately, but they definitely exist. An old coworker of mine was about your build and got a girl off tinder and they've been dating a while now.

Face, if you have facial hair, consider shaving it? Do you have a nice jaw line? Low body fat should be helping that out.

It's also a matter of picking up the hints and (oh god he's going to say it) confidence. Just because a woman smiles doesn't mean she's interested... But it could. Haha. It's damn near impossible to pick up a woman out in the wild. I've only gotten two numbers in the wild. Both at bars. One was because I made a decent joke, though nothing came of it. One was a few weeks ago at a hostel in their bar after a few drinks we went out to explore. But again, that was rare. Vacation, two people traveling alone.

Have you tried tinder or bumble? Imo bumble gives much better quality matches, but I'd use both to just get into as many conversations as possible for practice.

What type of photos do you have? And profile matters as well. I've toyed around with mine and definitely see a difference even between switching photo order.

I first have a somewhat goofy photo of me holding some wine. Then photos with friends. Luckily I went on a trip about a year ago and someone took some photos. Unfortunately selfies don't work for guys. Definitely don't do mirror selfies.

My bio is short and sweet. Feel free to use exactly this "can we get the charcuterie board?" I think it does a good job of conveying "we're going to go on a nice date".

The biggest thing is photos, and I'm not sure how to get them unless you get lucky and have someone else take photos of you. All my photos were taken by someone else.

cope

Pity party

the world literally isn't fair, part of growing up is accepting that but you're still struggling with your bullshit just world fallacy shit

This is a lot of words trying to get around the fact OP is ugly.

Nice jaw line

If he had that he wouldn't be here

Miss me with that crab pot mentality shit.

Nobody WANTS to be an incel, there is no upside to being one. Nobody but people who have been blackpilled and accepted reality would include incel in their username. As an incel I don't get any special perks or privileges, invited to parties, hang out with a special group. There is NO upside to being a part of the incel community other than being able to vent and discuss problems only people in the same shitty predicament I am in. Why would someone call themselves an incel? Because gasp they are. So miss me with your inability to comprehend that. I guess it's easier to pretend someone needs to put more work into their appearance and magically become more attractive than acknowledge how shitty lookism is...

I have literally never seen an incel post a selfie who has a nice jawline.

A man who had a nice jawline would have attracted a woman with no issues and never ended up in this predicament.

Face, if you have facial hair, consider shaving it?

Not everyone has a fucking neckbeard. God damn awful advice.

Wow, do you always read everything in as hostile tone as possible? I asked if he had facial hair. I didn't call him a neckbeard. I have friends with strong jaw lines that covered it with a beard because they thought a beard was cool, but they are actually more attractive without it.

I'm aware of his low body fat, that's why I asked about his jaw line and then commented that his low body fat should help.

Smh some people just want to be angry.

I'm aware of his low body fat, that's why I asked about his jaw line and then commented that his low body fat should help.

That is not even advice. That is just a fact that 90% of people here know. It's like saying water is liquid under the right conditions. Taking advice from you is like asking Joseph Kony how to run a daycare.

We don't want to be angry we're just tired of tone deaf just world fallacy advice from people who don't understand our problems.

It's no excuse to be rude in my opinion but being this way makes your blood green after a good lifetime.

It's no mystery that our friend here can't attract women because he is short and probably not very symmetrical in the face. He is sad about this but he can't talk about it anywhere without getting the same judgement and assumptions that he's getting from you. He comes here and you people still find a way to try and delude him. There's not much more to it than that.

That height is a death sentence tbh according to roastie standards

how is it competititve it seems like they have one guy who makes up stories which could be anything

You might have misread "complicated". I'd definitely call D&D a highly cooperative game.

haha you said competitive at first then edited it. nice

Uh....huh.... Yes. I'm quite the Mastermind. You've caught me... Red handed? You're confusing me, dude.

It's dungeons and dragons. Without getting to into it's, it's the most complicated board game ever pretty much.

Fails roll and critically fumbles by calling D&D most complicated board game ever, now must roll for critical strike, a wild poster appears and delivers a mortal blow by whispering, "Rolemaster."

TFW us 20ish year olds find it IMPOSSIBLE to do something that 13 year old boys find IMPOSSIBLE to NOT do.

Tbf it's probably easier to do it at 13 that's when looks still aren't everything u have some shot at socialcirclemaxxing and shit but it's over for us now

socialcirclemaxxing

The suffixes have gone too far

Yeah, we all feel the same, and nobody understands it...

While I get that, I feel the opposite. I'm 20 but I feel like an 80 year old man. The blackpill is too powerful.

Yeah, no. Getting laid isn't gonna make you more mature. That's a personal problem you need to work out

Definitely. Their are real rights of passage in society, and getting into at least one term relationship or sex is one of them. IDC how many normies or IT Posters comment about not having their first hug till 26. They also missed this crucial right of passage.

You will definitely be lacking in emotional development on some level when compared to your peers who have completed this.

Man, I get where you are coming from. I had a really overbearing mother who basically was scared when the wind blew that I would be killed. Just kept me from really having any social activity as a kid/teen. Couple with it that I was sexually abused by my asshole uncle ( Who was a baptist preacher) for 6 months or so and I was a recipe for disaster. Long story short I did not kiss my 1st girl until I was 19 years old. Sex came around 22. And then I married the girl.. ( I was so struck that someone would want me I held on like grim death...) She was also co-dependent so it was a recipe for disaster.
After we divorced I was able to use what I learned to kinda help me out in social points but really what did it for me was my work-life. I was given the opportunity to be a manager for a location and that forced me to get out of the shadows and put myself out-there. It was hell at first. Really it was just me listening and watching others I thought to be successful.. Also reading a lot of books on presentation skills and non verbal body messages 9 Which helped out a TON)
As I progressed I started dating other girls and now I'm married to a great woman for over 10 years. I also should say I'm 5ft 8 I'm average build..As for looks I have a roundish face..I'm not a knockout at all I just kinda figured out a way honestly to be able to bullshit my way through with minimum born gifts I also was by no means wealthy at the time.. I had to borrow toothpaste from people and other interesting things ...ugh. Obviously we're all different but human nature in itself is pretty spot on.. I'm a counselor now for alcohol/substance abuse and because of that I've learned much about body language and things of that nature.. I know you guys get the same shit given to you daily. And this might do jack shit for you but if it does maybe look into the body language/non verbal communication. Attitudes and all make an impact but if you are the most swell guy in the world and walk around giving off bad body motion vibes that may be a hindrance especially if we didn't win the genetics lottery! i hope you know I am not trying to pick on you or bully you. I was bullied, I've been left to feel like a piece of shit but thankfully some things changed for me. And I sensibly hope it can for you. I give people some shit here...I do. it's those that act like they think they know it all and have ALL the answers and there is no talking to them. You don't strike me that way through this post. Just someone who is very very frustrated at your station in life so far.

I do wish you the best and if you are interested you can message me and i'll give you some book titles that are easy reads on verbal cues/body language.. It's just a thought and good luck.

I was almost 21 when I had my first kiss. That’s all though. Still a Virgin. But I’m cool with it.

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Almost everyone by the age of 13 That's an exaggeration, really.

Yeah I feel the same tbh.

You are 21, boyo. Iirc, you are a power lifter + have a job lined up in STEM. I think you are selling yourself short.

Pity party

Uh....huh.... Yes. I'm quite the Mastermind. You've caught me... Red handed? You're confusing me, dude.

I'm aware of his low body fat, that's why I asked about his jaw line and then commented that his low body fat should help.

That is not even advice. That is just a fact that 90% of people here know. It's like saying water is liquid under the right conditions. Taking advice from you is like asking Joseph Kony how to run a daycare.

We don't want to be angry we're just tired of tone deaf just world fallacy advice from people who don't understand our problems.

It's no excuse to be rude in my opinion but being this way makes your blood green after a good lifetime.

It's no mystery that our friend here can't attract women because he is short and probably not very symmetrical in the face. He is sad about this but he can't talk about it anywhere without getting the same judgement and assumptions that he's getting from you. He comes here and you people still find a way to try and delude him. There's not much more to it than that.