jesus fuck the moggery here is INSANE

*top 0.1%

FWIW if we’re purely talking about physical attraction, I do NOT like the guy on the left at ALL. His appearance actually repulses me.

Guy on the right.. shrug. Probs not

His appearance actually repulses me.

even if you look like JEFF SEID in 2018, it's STILL OVER

Lol, there are plenty of women who would disagree with me, don’t worry! It is, believe me or not, a matter of taste

It's fine!! the way that everything works is perfectly fine!!!

pls :(

“I’m unhappy; therefore everything else around me is at fault. I am in no way responsible for feeling the way I do”

Would you tell that to people who experienced racial discrimination, or discrimination due to a disability?

It’s not a helpful comparison at all. If you’re black enough to be racially discriminated against, then we all know you’re black - it’s a fact. Incels are self-described as such, and I can absolutely disagree with them.

Jeff Seid isn't really "classically handsome"... kinda nichey ngl

Holy crap huge cope. If he had his hair down instead of spiked up like a frat bro, he would be classically handsome in addition to being tall, ripped, and white.

Tbf if he stopped smizing, pouting and chiselling his physique so much, I’d probably find him v attractive.

But this is what incels will never believe: it’s not just the bare bones of your appearance that define how people see you; it’s how you inhabit you what you’ve got. Your personality, your bearing, your hairstyle, your fitness levels, your clothes, your energy.

He's still a "boy" in the face, not super masculine. Very masculine faces amog even guys like him. Trust me ;-)

Teehee I'm not like other gurls!

Nah I’m sure there are plenty who would agree with me. And plenty more who would vehemently disagree.

Almost like women have diverse tastes and attractiveness is somewhat subjective

Attractiveness is in no way subjective, not a single femoid in the world would say that the guy on the left is more attractive than the right one.

Lol ok

Almost like women have diverse tastes and attractiveness is somewhat subjective

Nice cope ;-)

Definitely agree with you, the guy on the left just skeeves me out a little lol

Oh XD you're SOOOO unique, tee hee. XD yassss queen the guy on the left is soooo not my type tee hee XD. i prefer short, ugly, fat guys tee hee hee

As I said to another commenter:

Nah I’m sure there are plenty who would agree with me. And plenty more who would vehemently disagree.

Almost like women have diverse tastes and attractiveness is somewhat subjective

tee hee hee

Lol hehehe

xD

I'd venture to say you are not very attractive. I'm definitely not the perfect specimen on the left, but I'm a solid 9/10 with a great physique, 6ft, 170, bright blue eyes, constantly maintained hair, skin, nails, etc, etc.. And I've personally found that women who are less attractive generally treat me with bitterness. I think that's what's happening here. Who the hell are you to tell these poor guys that looks aren't everything when clearly they play a massive role in life.

I’m not sure how attractive people are by numbers! I find that a very weird way of approaching the subject. In my life so far I’ve found people attractive in so many different ways, and for so many different reasons. For sure they all would have looked clean and healthy, but other than it’s truly a mixed bag (and please note when I say healthy I do NOT mean just a muscle guy, I mean they look like they have plenty of energy and probably a healthy diet).

Honestly, who the hell are you to tell me that I should find the guy attractive? I just don’t, I’m sorry!! Maybe I would after getting to know him. And as I’ve said a couple of times, of course plenty of people will find him gorgeous by appearance alone. I just don’t.

If you want to know how attractive I am, I don’t know what to tell you. I do know that I’m very confident in my appearance; I’m a performer for my living, so I regularly get dressed up and go on stage with 50-500 people looking at me. In the past I’ve never found any problems meeting partners for dating or sex, although I’ve been in a relationship for the last ten years so can’t say for SURE that would still be the case!

If you want stats im 5’3”, 122 lbs, green eyes, long brown hair, clear skin (apart from the odd hormonal pimple on my chin), short nails. Does that help???

Perhaps I was a bit hasty. You sound like a decent looking person. All I'm saying is many women come on to these threads saying beauty is subjective, when it really isn't. Sure, men do have more wiggle room than women through behavior, but at the end of day, Sid the sloth on the right up there IS less attractive. To disagree is just to be a contrarian.

His appearance actually repulses me.

Lots of girls would disagree

Chad vs gymcel

It's over for gymcels, there is no gym for your face.

if he gets a nose job its feasible for him to become quite attractive actually

Commandment 3: There is no gym for your face.

It actually looks like gymcel could benefit from a good skincare routine and a haircut.

gym for your face is plastic surgery.

The guy on the right has a less misogynistic face, you can tell. Just look at him.

Its just the superior haircut guys./s

Lol at their wrists. Wrist girth is a direct reflection of bone density.

This is why I refuse to lift. This is one of the most brutal Mogs ever.

I once walked past a gym and was mogged into oblivion by two Chads who were on their way there, both were a head taller than me and twice as wide. Needless to say you won't see me within a mile of any gym now.

mogged into oblivion by two Chads who were on their way there, both were a head taller than me and twice as wide.

Reminds me of the time I was at a sushi resteraunt and came out the bathroom. 3 6'5" tall men, handsome as fuck, just waiting till I came out. I felt mogged as all hell.

Guy on the right isn't ugly though

He skipped face day

I needed this, thank you.

Can't quit smiling fuck nice comment

Also height day

Lift for yourself damnit, not other people.

You'll still look better as the guy on the right than being skinnyfat.

I know right?! Left guy looks like he spends 6 hrs in the gym daily. Plans every inch of what he eats. Thats a lot of maintenance

I'm slightly overweight but I'd never in a million years want to look like that guy on the right.

There's lots of different body types to go for.

Only losers live for themselves.

Since when are winners those who do everything to please other people?

Do what makes you happy. It's your life.

You can't be happy without being popular though.

By what metric? That's like saying you can't be happy without being a millionaire.

Most people get on with a healthy amount of friends and family. The Chads and Stacies of the world have amazing friend groups, but most people aren't Chad or Stacy.

I'm struggling with being happy without the social life I desire, but I don't think what I want is unreachable.

You can't be happy being a loser unless you put yourself through DEEP denialism. And if you think what you want is reachable you aren't blackpilled.

You're right, you can't be happy being a loser. But guess what? Normans might be wrong about being attractive when you're characteristically ugly, but making friends is ALL about personality. Attraction is what separates friends and girlfriends.

So if you have a personality, you can make friends. And if you don't have a personality, then you can get one.

I have no friends either.

It's easier to make friends than getting a gf. I'm in a similar position to you, but I'd recommend trying to cultivate hobbies and meet people through common interests.

What if my only hobby is posting on 4chan and r/braincels?

what kind of gay shit lives their entire lives trying to live up to other peoples expectations of them?

Literally everyone. Why do you finish highschool, go to college, and get a job? Why not just be a NEET in your moms basement? Oh right, it's so society doesn't see you as a loser. Only gay autistic little shits "only care what THEY think about themselves"

well fucking obviously you need to take care of yourself but how is it being a gay autistic shit by not giving a fuck what a bunch of faggy normie shits and some slutty roasties think? you lose your freewill and become a fucking slave to them by spending your live living up to their idiotic expectations

And if you don't live up to their expectations you'll rot. Societial pressure is the only reason being a loser is bad and being successful is good. Only a solipist would say otherwise.

Good personality vs bad personality

one looks like a cat and the other like a rat

You'll all say I'm full of shit but I'm a "normie femoid" and I'd choose the shorter guy if this pic was all I had to go by. The "hot" one has a stupid face and I don't feel like he'd understand my jokes or make me laugh. I have a thing for a weak chin and big eyes though. Maybe I'm weird idk.

If you saw pictures of me and all my exes you'd believe me hahaha

Actually I just realized the guy on the right slightly reminds me of Lip from the show Shameless. That's probably the reason I'd pick him in this situation. 😂

Massive cope. You just know that the right guy wouldn't even spit in your direction so you conviced yourself that you like left one more.

At the moment I'm an overweight mom with bad skin so I doubt either of those guys would bother with me but I had my hot years and I always was more attracted to "quirky" looks than the typical macho. There are some "Chad" types I'm absolutely stupid around because I find them unfairly hot and yes, I don't really see myself with them for a lot of reasons. Why would someone who works that hard on their body ever want a girlfriend who spends 85% of her free time on her ass with a bag of chips. 😂 Nothing wrong with being self aware and staying in your league although a lot of super hot guys like to go far below their level for hookups some reason. Every situation is unique haha

Guy on the right needs to fix his anterior pelvic tilt, it makes him look bloated af

Both are cute, the tall one looks more feminine despite the jaw. The other one isn’t bad, unless he’s shorter than 5’3 I don’t see why he wouldn’t get laid. I like that type. Kind of ugly face, funny , but nice body and butt .

Face isn't that bad, guy needs to change his haircut and start using some sort of retnoid to get rid of the rest of his complexion problems.

He's leaning forward yet still sticking his gut out, this suggests anterior pelvic tilt, the guy is definitely strong though. In addition, he's built but he's a bit chubby and could stand to go on a cut after he gets to the strength he wants. Finally his chest needs works, gotta hit the bench (incline and standard).

His posture definitely needs work as earlier mentioned, but he'll be fine. Guy on the left has shitty traps in comparison and only looks better because he's on a cut and tanned. His haircut isn't bad but it's definitely faggy.

If hard work, dedication, and intelligent training is coping to you, you have a lot to learn.

I don't see any markers to indicate height, and good face is far from awful.

Even if he is, he still has a higher propensity to look ripped.

Shorter guys pack more muscle onto a smaller frame, they look bigger in a shorter training time.

Someone else talked about insertions, they both have fine ones but I'll concede that the guy on the left has somewhat better ones.

There are few ways men can improve their sexual attractiveness as compared to women. Muscles are a masculine trait and the average woman prefers more masculine guys.

Sure, it's hard to do crap with a bad face, complexion, even height, but what will always matter most is confidence.

I've found that being confident in your body, even if it's not your face, is a great first start. More importantly, it's better to focus on factors within your control rather than those that are difficult to change.

It depends on a lot more on just that.

There's a reason "calves never grow" is a meme, it's hard as fuck to have good insertions for those.

Some people have really short bicep insertions, others have a hard time growing their back because their lats are too short.

It still doesn't change that even with the shittiest insertions around, you'll still look better if you work out than if you don't.

?

It obviously helps. Being confident in your body is important, so is developing the discipline to regularly engage in strenuous physical activity.

Dude, it's like you don't want to hear what I'm saying.

Every little bit helps, it doesn't matter what you looked like before (unless you were already past 1/2/3/4 or sub 15% BF) you will always look better with more muscle or less fat. The person on the right in the original picture has neither of those, the person on the left only has a low body fat.

Also, I already stated what he should do to fix his face and hair. He's not ugly by any stretch.

Hairline is inconclusive, his haircut is meh (changeable).

Bone structure is fine, what matters more is insertions. Both of these do not matter when it comes to the importance of working out.

Body fat does help face but more importantly helps your muscles pop. It doesn't do you any favors if you don't have any muscles though.

(Whoever is downvoting every one of his comments, stop)

Lol ok

Massive cope. You just know that the right guy wouldn't even spit in your direction so you conviced yourself that you like left one more.

well fucking obviously you need to take care of yourself but how is it being a gay autistic shit by not giving a fuck what a bunch of faggy normie shits and some slutty roasties think? you lose your freewill and become a fucking slave to them by spending your live living up to their idiotic expectations

If hard work, dedication, and intelligent training is coping to you, you have a lot to learn.