Who is apologizing?

Yeah, ITcels. Virgin numales who are waiting for a woman to save their soul and who find the light every other day when it seems that using the opportunity to validate a cunt or beg IT for help just might make a difference, like that other ITcel told them it would...

IT posts?

Lol at bluepilled cucks thinking that women actually like assholes, they don't like assholes, they like good looking guys no matter how they act

When's the freebleed, Carol?

At least come up with a name for your throwaway, dumbass.

Wait, my bad. Misread your message. I'm a dumbass myself.

This subreddit has more posts defending women (either written by legbeards or white knights) than women themselves will defend their behavior when pressed in public and drunk.

The incel subreddits are FILLED with pussyworship like the parents comment here.

yeah lol

bluepilled redpilled cucks

never apologize. ITS NOT YOUR FUCKING FAULT.

they'll just deny all of this to their dying breath. they simply don't want to accept the truth that women are insanely shallow.

Do you see armies of females pouring into the foreveralone subreddit trying to better understand their plight and offer a kind ear? No, because there's nobody to fix there; they already hate and blame themselves.

Exactly. Forever Alone is proof that being nice, being gentlemen, does not work toward attracting women, whatsoever.

Posts like this make me wish I could upvote in this sub.

There are an intense amount of white knight cuckolds and nasty legbeards on this subreddit that want everyone to hate themselves and worship women, but your message is heard loud and clear.

It's not women that's making you feel bad. It's SOME people that are shitty. This shouldn't be about gender.

Shhh, your logic isn't for this community apparently. Gotta blame women for al your problems!

I never said blame women.. read what I typed.

It was a joke. I know what you meant, but I came across this sub randomly and saw this post and just commented on your comment.

Fair enough. But as a Gymcel I can relate to these guys..

How have you not fucked a Stacy yet as a gymcel? I'm a 6/10 maybe w/o musculature and get stares and "oof help me daddy" situations from cardio bunnies all too often... and I'm not anywhere near as built as a lot of the guys at the gym I go to. I'd say I'm less attractive than you from your post history. I'm envious of your pectoral definition and jawline. If I weren't in a LTR I would be taking advantage of the gym perks.

To everyone else... I have a question. How many of y'all are "gymcels"? I feel like this is a pretty easy solution if the only perceived problem is physical attractiveness. Being fit and muscular is at least a +2-3 attractiveness modifier for a lot of women.

Because I have a small dick. That's it, so my face and my body doesn't matter.

Shame. But if you've been ruled out for a vapid reason like that then you've at least gotten that far so I think you're in a much better boat than most. Good luck my dude, keep workin on you bro

thank you bro. God speed my fellow incel.

And I NEVER get stares because I'm 5'8 (short) and have weird eyes (Asian)

Wasn't a very good joke then was it? If you had to say it was one.

Not an argument

This should be on foreveralone, not here on braincels; we're not the ones who need this message.

Lol😂

I know a guy who has the nicest sweetest personality ever. He knows how to talk to people but since he is a 2/10 manlet no one wants to fuck him regardless of what he does. Its fucking over

At least the bullies want to fuck his personality.

If we were all being nice and never using profanity and never making fun of/criticizing women do you think they would be here at all? Do you think they would care about how hard below average men have it in today's dating world?

They would've stilled bullied and harassed us. Before incels came around, r/ForeverAlone was the target of their bullying. They just hate ugly male virgins, that's why they pick on us. Ask any veteren on ForeverAlone and they'll explain to you how they were constantly harassed before we popped up.

I really don't understand what it is these people are trying to achieve when they come here and start harassing the users here.

Do you actually think invalidating all my life experience up until this point is actually going to win me over? Do you think I'll just turn around and say "yeah, you're right" after you tell me my personality is shit when you literally know zilcho about me besides some shit you've read in my post history?

If you're venting about how much you hate male virgins just keep it on /r/IncelTears, I've got enough shit going on in my life to want to read your pathetic harassment/shallow attempts at armchair psychology.

I truly feel for the guys that haven't been exposed to the truth as to why they're failing in the dating game hard. They'll blame themselves (even though they are actually nice great people) or cope hard by lying to themselves and saying they don't even want sex (what lol?).

If only the knew what a day in the life of chad was like.

What do you know about abusive relationships? What do you think of men who are the abused or family members that abuse each other. May I ask what your opinion is on them?

No one is laughing at you because of how ugly you think you are. People on subreddits like IT make fun of you because of creepy shit that you do or say, and the fact that you base all of your self worth on wether or not you can get your dick wet.

I feel sorry for you.

No you don't.

Im sure that you believe i dont. But seeing all of the people on this subreddit post about how they feel like they have no worth as a person really sucks. This sub is a negative echo chamber where you all tell each other that you're shit and everyone outside the sub hates you. Those ideas are wrong and if the people on this sub and ones like it could just realize that, then they might feel better about themselves and others.

I'm a woman. I was in a long term abusive relationship. I didn't stay with him because he was hot. I actually had a major crush on a 31 y/o virgin at the time because he was so sweet and kind, to everyone, including me, while my boyfriend at the time was cruel and violent. The guy who I was crushing on wasn't conventionally attractive by any means, but to me he was absolutely beautiful. I was really smitten by him. I stayed with my abusive relationship because I genuinely thought it was the best I could get. I really liked this incel type guy, so in my mind I didn't deserve him. Childhood bullying and the cruelty of my then boyfriend had me believing that I was only worth what I had. When I decided that being single was better than the life I had, ex used everything from blackmail to physical violence to suicide threats and I stayed for a long time, despite being head over heels for this sweet nerdy guy. I knew that he would never have any interest in me anyhow, so what was the point in trying?

Long time singleton now. Much happier now than I was before. Feeling crushingly lonely. I'm still friends with the guy I was crushing on and even though I love him to bits I realise he's a reminder that no good man would want me, so what's the point?

I know when women come to this thread we often get a load of shit. I'm not trying to say my problems are comparable to you guys. I really don't want to be called a dumb slut or some iteration of that. I don't feel I had it easy, I definitely had it easier than if I were a man. I was scared for the most part of my ex and all I wanted was out. But I guess I'm making this post to say that not all women fit the mold. A lot do, most do, and it's horrible. But I'm a fugly girl, I'm in love with an incel who will literally never look twice at me in a romantic way.

Not all women are the same. It really disheartening when I come on here because I feel like I understand that sense of loneliness and emptiness at my lack of any kind of romantic or sex appeal because of how I look, and I sometimes even think about commenting, and then I realise I shouldn't because you guys hate women.

But anyhow I just wanted to post this. At least to feel like I contributed something to this community I've been lurking for years. I'm prepared to be absolutely dragged in the comments.

pics of your tits or GTFO

Trust me, you wouldn't want them. 😂

Sorry but I have a hard time believing you are ugly if you had a boyfriend. I'm not trying to downplay what you went through and I don't hate women, but I just don't think your situation is at all related to ours. We are so ugly we have trouble making friends, now imagine how out of reach getting a girlfriend is to us?

Maybe you have trouble making friends because your victim complex prevents you from having any kind of sympathy for your peers

You don't know what I act like outside of this subreddit so why are you assuming this about me?

Why would you act any different elsewhere

Because posting here doesn't define who I am. I have interests outside of this place.

Your interests don't change the fact you were a complete cunt to this girl.

I'm really sorry about that. I suppose life is easier for ugly girls in comparison to ugly guys because I do have a few friends. Fucking sucks that they were chill with you then completely ghosted you once they saw your face, you didn't deserve that 😫

Why don't you tell the incel guy how you feel? Better than writing in pain over the "what if".

At the end of it, you'll be satisfied because at least you got a conclusion.

Lol 😁 I would totally get turned down he might be incel but he's not gonna look at me that way. Plus it'll make our friendship weird when he turns me down. He surfs this sub though so he might see this. Who knows? XD

Dude I've seen more sexism on this sub than anywhere else.

bump this up mod!

'De radicalise' means 'make women feel less uncomfortable when they choose to come to a forum for men.

It will generally almost always come down to looks. Now if you get a chance to bypass your looks or if you look decent then you may have a chance if you are a decent human being

“All we do is constantly generalize and insult women in every possible way but trust us, IRL we are so nice and made out of 100% positive vibes”. ROFLMAO

You nailed it. They're dishonest, to say the very least.

your feelings of loneliness, rejection and self-hate are all real and they all stem from your experiences in the real world.

Very true. I agree. Of course they're real (what's a fake emotion, anyway?), and they stem from an incel's negative social experiences.

They also make fun of us on IT and other such subreddits because they know we are easy targets

And they shouldn't. It's shallow. Incels have suffered and are suffering a great deal of emotional pain due to the way most people have treated them. To mock their pain (and then turn away and ignore it, too!) is wrong. They shouldn't be mocked even if they're advocating violence, or saying that they should be allowed to build harems of female children, or what have you. Those messages are the result of pent-up frustration, shame, anger, resentment, and despair. Mocking someone for their expression of despair is shallow.

trying to shame us for our "bad personalities".

They don't know what your personalities are really like, of course. They just see what incels write. If they see incels constantly writing about wanting to rape and hurt women and children, and about how they're entitled to sex whether or not the woman/child consents, etc., they'll conclude that something is mentally unwell with said incels.

Beyond that, I think some of the women aren't trying to shame you for having shitty personalities (although many are, I've definitely seen a lot of that!). I think that some women (even if they're a minority) are trying to point out that at least for some incels, social awkwardness could be a big part of the problem. Society is ruthless and awkwardness is punished harshly. I'm autistic, so I have at least some insight into this.

The problem is compounded by the fact that sometimes people who lack the social skills expected of their age don't realize that they haven't mastered these subtle social skills. So they put 100% of the blame on appearance.

I won't deny that appearance is a huge factor. It just is. For most people, anyway. There are other factors, though. What about the phenomenon of unattractive men getting "trophy wives," or other similar phenomena?

Do you think they would care about how hard below average men have it in today's dating world?

I care. I care about the unreasonable expectations placed on men. I care about how they're treated. And I care about men's rights in general. I don't think that men have it easy in this society; they're treated quite unfairly in many circumstances, in fact. I'm actually inclined to think that they suffer more than many women do. Their suffering isn't as easily visible and doesn't receive as much attention because one of the expectations of men is that they conceal their pain, and that they "deal with it" without anyone's help. But the pain is there, and those unreasonable expectations just make it worse.

Everyone needs acceptance, love, and affection for a healthy psyche. Some men don't receive it, but I don't know what to do to help. Love and affection can't be enforced.

the scum of society, the worthless ugly men who nobody wants

You aren't scum and you aren't worthless!!! Don't ever forget that! You and other incels have inherent value as a thinking, feeling, full human beings. Please don't tell yourselves that you're worthless. Other people may be cruel to you, but their cruelty has no power to diminish your worth. None at all.

pics of your tits or GTFO

Sorry but I have a hard time believing you are ugly if you had a boyfriend. I'm not trying to downplay what you went through and I don't hate women, but I just don't think your situation is at all related to ours. We are so ugly we have trouble making friends, now imagine how out of reach getting a girlfriend is to us?

How have you not fucked a Stacy yet as a gymcel? I'm a 6/10 maybe w/o musculature and get stares and "oof help me daddy" situations from cardio bunnies all too often... and I'm not anywhere near as built as a lot of the guys at the gym I go to. I'd say I'm less attractive than you from your post history. I'm envious of your pectoral definition and jawline. If I weren't in a LTR I would be taking advantage of the gym perks.

To everyone else... I have a question. How many of y'all are "gymcels"? I feel like this is a pretty easy solution if the only perceived problem is physical attractiveness. Being fit and muscular is at least a +2-3 attractiveness modifier for a lot of women.

Why don't you tell the incel guy how you feel? Better than writing in pain over the "what if".

At the end of it, you'll be satisfied because at least you got a conclusion.