Sub7s are invisible to femoids. It's over

Sub 8s*

Bright pill: Not true. Sub 7's get laid all the time, as well. They just don't go after the stacys.

Yea they have to date below their looksmatch

It's over for Sub3s though

Half this sub is 4-7 fakecel Normans with low self-esteem and high looks standards. The rest of us are truecels and actually invisible.

Half this sub is 4-7 fakecel Normans with low self-esteem and high looks standards

fuck, that's me

soz bro

I would say it's over for Sub3 white guys, but its Sub4 ethnics.

the 2 guys in that pic aren't sub 7 though, they're like, sub 3.

These 2 incels are volcels.

Hitlercel did literally nothing wrong

Wrong. Hitlercel was born as an ugly male, the worst possible offense a human being could commit.

Only the fatty is volcel

EXCELLENT ILLUSTRATION!!!

You are literally invisible

Are you kidding me? One of then looks like Hitler and the other one is extremely obese. Both are sub 1's. Of course women ignore them. I think most incels would look alot better, if they spent some more time away from the computer doing useful and healthy stuff.

Stop with the logic. It hurts them.

Because there is no logic

If I showed you pictures of ugly guys with girlfriends or shared stories of how personality matters a helluva lot, you’d cover your ears and go spoon your waifu pillow. Stop acting like you’re open to other points of view.

Because exceptions to a rule is not evidence against the existence of that rule. If 2 billion uggos go unnoticed by women and a couple hundred arent unnoticed, the general trend is still very much there.

We don't discount the accounts of unicorns. But that's why women who date ugly men are called unicorns. Because they're rare.

So there’s no way that the “uggos” who have girlfriends are just doing something right while the rest are crying about being incels, right? Impossible.

Yes, it is impossible. The woman is the variable that's different. That's why she's a unicorn.

That's not even discounting the possibility (inevitability?) that these uglies are getting cucked or beta bucked

That too!

Which do you think is more likely, in your heart of hearts:

The "ugly" guys you see with girlfriends aren't as ugly as you, think, and/or are the exceptions to the rule, OR, the "ugly" guys you see have found some magical "personality" hack that makes women sexually attracted to their personality?

Magical personality hack like being a decent human? Yeah going with that.

Being a "decent human" is getting ugly guys laid? You honestly believe that?

I believe it because I’ve seen it, yeah.

What you've seen is guys you perceived as ugly in relationships. That's all you knew about what you saw. Everything else is speculation on your part...and it's speculation done by somebody who is delusional.

Decent guys are a dime a dozen.

Yes, they are. None of them subscribe to what you’re talking about though.

You know, just as an external observer, you're not actually listening to his view and experience at all. You're just doubling down on self improvement, life is what you make it propaganda.

Some people get dealt a shitty hand and no amount of finger in the ears denial is going to mitigate that. I would argue that's not the point on whether or not to be a decent human being though, You try to do that because it's better than all the alternatives. And if you believe in God, because you want to please him.

But getting lectured to about your attitude being the problem when it's the symptom not the cause must be fucking infuriating. Maybe stop?

You're a bunch of average - slightly below average guys comparing yourselves to men that look borderline deformed, it's fucking dumb.

I'm malformed

cope

The real cope is comparing yourself to someone that's deformed so you never have to face direct rejection.

JFL if you think no one here has been rejected before. most of us have been rejected countless times.

Most guys have been

You're shitting me right? Yea the fat guy might have great bone structure underneath, but the other guy is a truecel. His philtrum is twice the size of his chin, the moustache is probably an attempt to cover it.

You do know incel isn't a self prescribed label right? Sub 1s who don't have sex because women won't see past their looks are incels whether or not they even know the word.

I think most incels would look alot better

You assume wrong. Don't insult those of us who are truly ugly.

lol at hitlercel there

tfw hitler was hot irl

https://i.imgur.com/BFHRabc.jpg

It's over

For the Jews

kek

WoMeN hAVe a VaRieTy oF TaSTeS

people have a variety of tastes when it comes to food, doesn't mean they'll eat rotten hotdogs covered in shit off the ground

That fat guy might be one of the ugliest dudes I've ever seen lol.

He is JabbaTheHutcel

I mean... C'MON the guy on the left looks like Hitler FFS. And the other guy looks like Bebop from TMNT. Nobody is trying to date a super-villain.

What about personality

personality is a requisite for a long term relationship but if you're totally hideous youre not going to attract women

Obviously, but personality also doesn't matter in that sense either. Women knowingly decide to get into relationships with and stay with cheaters, drug dealers, rapists, and abusers, so I can't imagine personality can matter much at all lmao

Some women are attracted to that type of personality. Usually pretty self destructive. The vast majority of people want someone they can connect with on an intimate level mentally and physically

The vast majority of males, not females. Women just want to ride the cock carousel until they get old and used up, and even then...

Make some female friends

when people say "personality" they're not talking about your moral character btw. you may not be as bad of a person as your average felon, but you probably are boring as shit, unconfident and unassertive

Women shouldn't want to be with cheaters and drug dealers and rapists and abusers. If that's the personalities they want, then they deserve what they get

you are pretending as if you can tell in advance that these people will be abusers, when in reality you cannot. most dominant, confident and interesting people don't rape or abuse, it just so happens that most rapists are also not very submissive and shy.

maybe if you date an incel type you are relatively safe from being abused, but "this guy probably won't rape me" on its own doesn't make someone an interesting romantic prospect

you are pretending as if you can tell in advance that these people will be abusers, when in reality you cannot.

Lmao yet women can somehow see my internet post history at first glance and know I'm a bad person and that's why I'm incel

most dominant, confident and interesting people don't rape or abuse, it just so happens that most rapists are also not very submissive and shy. in other words, abusers tend to be a subset of dominant people

So women should be smart enough to avoid that risk. But, clearly, theyre not able to figure this out.

maybe if you date an incel type you are relatively safe from being abused, but "this guy probably won't rape me" on its own doesn't make someone an interesting romantic prospect

So what does? I'm interesting, have plenty of hobbies, funny, smart, sweet, Yada Yada

Lmao yet women can somehow see my internet post history at first glance and know I'm a bad person and that's why I'm incel

you being incel for your personality =/= you being incel for being a "bad person". you only had to scroll back up one more comment to read:

"when people say "personality" they're not talking about your moral character btw."

please, pay attention.

So women should be smart enough to avoid that risk.

should be based on what? men should be smart enough to avoid their incredibly high suicide rates, why don't they? men should be smart enough to not get imprisoned so often, why don't they?

So what does? I'm interesting, have plenty of hobbies, funny, smart, sweet, Yada Yada

you're not very smart (based on you failing to understand what I'm saying), you're very clearly bitter, you're probably incredibly unfunny, you're DEFINITELY not "sweet" in any sense other than the /r/niceguys sense, and you're probably a socially awkward pushover in real life, despite you probably bravely claiming you aren't from the comfort of your secluded bedroom

it's funny how you pretend you're "sweet" and then admit you have a post history only a shitty person could have, but claim it doesn't matter because women can't read it when they meet you (trust me, they can tell you're a weirdo, and so could I). I could absolutely pick an angry incel poster out of 100 normies after 10 seconds of conversation, I'll bet my life savings on it

but claim it doesn't matter because women can't read it when they meet you (trust me, they can tell you're a weirdo, and so could I

Lmao this is all I needed to read to see what you believe in. Somehow women get themselves raped and beaten by their boyfriends, but when they meet me they can just *tell& I'm a weirdo lol you know how they do that? BY JUDGING MY APPEARANCE.

Lmao this is all I needed to read to see what you believe in. Somehow women get themselves raped and beaten by their boyfriends every fucking day, but when they see me they can just tell I'm a weirdo

do you actually think abusers are necessarily socially inept or something? in fact the opposite tends to be true, as you probably know psychopaths tend to be very charming, the opposite of incels. your comments betray a lack of understanding of social dynamics

So which is it? Can women magically sense a shitty personality

sigh, one more time:

"WHEN PEOPLE SAY PERSONALITY THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT YOUR MORAL CHARACTER BTW"

Because idk about you, but I think a man who loves raping and beating women has a bad personality.

yes, but they're often not socially awkward to the point where you can tell right away that they're fucked up - quite the opposite actually

And if they can hide their misogyny so well (they don't, by the way, you see them literally calling women bitches and sluts so the misogyny is not actually hidden from the women at all), why is it that you don't think i can hide my frustration with women?

when did I ever say you can't hide your frustration with women? no woman walks away from an interaction with you thinking you hate women, I'd imagine. because they don't detect anything about your moral character before getting to know you. they probably think the opposite, that you put women on a pedestal because you act so awkward and subservient around them

If they think I have a shitty personality and that's not why their with me

please, learn to read, I don't want to have to correct you every single sentence

Im leagues better than a fucking rapist lol

you probably have more moral character than a rapist, sure. good luck conveying that to a woman in 10 seconds though, especially when your awkwardness gets in the way

Because it's so fucking obvious that women don't care about personality and only cares about a persons looks.

well, it's actually obvious that this isn't true, but only if you go outside and actually talk to women

Women make gagging faces when they SEE me.

I will bet my net worth that this is anywhere between a GROSS exaggeration (symptomatic of a mental disorder that makes you interpret it this way) and a blatant lie. please do not lie by pretending this is something that regularly happens to you, it doesn't happen to even the ugliest people on earth (which is not a category you're a part of)

do you actually think abusers are necessarily socially inept or something? in fact the opposite tends to be true, as you probably know psychopaths tend to be very charming, the opposite of incels.

Lmao I'm not socially inept, I'm a fairly social person. You're thinking of a stereotype of a basement dweller. The only difference between me and a normie is that I'm ugly.

your comments betray a lack of understanding of social dynamics

In what way? I have a friend group, participate in group-oriented hobbies, I have a job that involves socializing with coworkers. I have no complaints.

So which is it? Can women magically sense a shitty personality

sigh, one more time:

"WHEN PEOPLE SAY PERSONALITY THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT YOUR MORAL CHARACTER BTW"

ONE MORE TIME:

MORAL CHARACTER IS APART OF YOUR PERSONALITY.

YOU CAN'T HAVE A GOOD PERSONALITY AND ALSO BE ADOLPH HITLER, SORRY.

this is what we here are talking about.

Women do not care about personality.

Moral character is a very big portion of your personality. If you're charming, funny, dominant, and also believe women should be caged and tortured:

YOU HAVE A BAD PERSONALITY.

Thats why normies like you tell us that being misogynistic is why we're incels. But if women don't care about moral character, why would they care about us being misogynistic?

yes, but they're often not socially awkward to the point where you can tell right away that they're fucked up - quite the opposite actually

Neither am I, but wouldn't a woman have to TALK to me to figure out I'm socially awkward? How can they tell by LOOKING at me? This is your problem, you assume there's something wrong with my social skills, there's NOTHING wrong with my social skills. Women AVOID talking to me, how do they know I have a bad personality or that I don't have the social skills before talking to me?

when did I ever say you can't hide your frustration with women? no woman walks away from an interaction with you thinking you hate women, I'd imagine.

You'd be right to assume that.

because they don't detect anything about your moral character before getting to know you. they probably think the opposite, that you put women on a pedestal because you act so awkward and subservient around them

Lmao okay so now I put women on a pedestal. AGAIN IM NOT SOCIALLY INEPT. I TALK TO PEOPLE LIKE THEY'RE PEOPLE.

you probably have more moral character than a rapist, sure. good luck conveying that to a woman in 10 seconds though, especially when your awkwardness gets in the way

LMAO AGAIN WITH AWKWARDNESS

Also you heard it here first folks, women would rather be raped then date an ugly man!

well, it's actually obvious that this isn't true, but only if you go outside and actually talk to women

Too bad they're too disgusted by my face to go near me.

I will bet my net worth that this is anywhere between a GROSS exaggeration (symptomatic of a mental disorder that makes you interpret it this way)

HOLY SHIT, do you know how many of us have this shared experience? This is like when people say catcalling doesn't happen to women because they don't see it happen and can't imagine people would be that rude to those women.

please do not lie by pretending this is something that regularly happens to you, it doesn't happen to even the ugliest people on earth (which is not a category you're a part of)

It DOES happen regularly. You live a privileged life, alright, you don't have to deal with this shit. That's a good thing for you. But we deal with this every day of our lives.

not in the mood to send walls back and forth, but:

Lmao I'm not socially inept, I'm a fairly social person. You're thinking of a stereotype of a basement dweller. The only difference between me and a normie is that I'm ugly.

everyone can type this, there are plenty of ugly "incel" people who nevertheless don't share the bitter incel mentality

In what way? I have a friend group, participate in group-oriented hobbies, I have a job that involves socializing with coworkers. I have no complaints.

I have seven wives and a trillion dollars

MORAL CHARACTER IS APART OF YOUR PERSONALITY. YOU CAN'T HAVE A GOOD PERSONALITY AND ALSO BE ADOLPH HITLER, SORRY.

you're misunderstanding. you can be adolf hitler and still have an ATTRACTIVE personality.

think of attractive vs good personalities as the political compass with on one side "libertarian vs authoritarian" and the other side "left vs right". you can have an attractive evil personality, an unattractive "good" personality, etc.

Thats why normies like you tell us that being misogynistic is why we're incels. But if women don't care about moral character, why would they care about us being misogynistic?

I disagree with anyone who tells you this

Neither am I, but wouldn't a woman have to TALK to me to figure out I'm socially awkward?

actually not necessarily, if you look at a picture of, say, Dylann Roof you can just tell he's one of those "weirdos". to be fair, some people are weirdos and you can't tell in their case, but this is sometimes the case.

Women AVOID talking to me, how do they know I have a bad personality or that I don't have the social skills before talking to me?

I'm not saying women aren't less keen to talk to ugly men, obviously. but not all women avoid talking to you, and there are definitely women who would date you if your personality was a certain way. I'm not even saying there aren't women who won't date you in your current state btw, there probably are

AGAIN IM NOT SOCIALLY INEPT. I TALK TO PEOPLE LIKE THEY'RE PEOPLE.

according to you. kinda sucks that one of the symptoms of social ineptitude is an inability to read social cues and know what behavior is socially normal, so if you were socially inept you couldn't really know. if you understood this you wouldn't irrationally try to tell me "but I know I'm not socially inept"

Also you heard it here first folks, women would rather be raped then date an ugly man!

this presupposes that: getting abused is likely when dating a dominant man (false, they're just more likely to abuse) or that ugly man can't rape (false, they're just less likely to abuse). your worldview cannot handle nuance, it seems

Too bad they're too disgusted by my face to go near me.

in what sense do they "avoid" you? do you actually think that if you weren't ugly they'd come up to you out of the blue?

HOLY SHIT, do you know how many of us have this shared experience?

I know many of you truly believe this is the case, I'm just saying you're delusional. It's similar to body dysmorphia. your brain is fucking with you

It DOES happen regularly. You live a privileged life, alright, you don't have to deal with this shit. That's a good thing for you.

I've seen countless truly ugly people in my life (much uglier than I've ever seen in /r/incels selfies) and known a few pretty intimately - I've never seen anyone be treated this way in the real world, it's just not something that happens, at least not in this corner of the world

but if you're totally hideous youre not going to attract women

This is why it's over

It's probably over for some of you and probably not for more. Trouble is youre all incredibly insecure and thus all believe it's you. What I do know is that staying in a community like this will only make you more miserable and unattractive

personality is a requisite for a long term relationship

No it's not. Not sure where people get this idea.

From actually being in relationships...

Utter nonsense. You're delusional if you think your personality is the reason you were in relationships.

There are plenty of guys with every kind of personality there is who have no trouble being in long-term relationships. It's all about looks.

It's about both. You need mutual physical attraction and a strong friendship, that's what a companion is.

Sure some guys dont have what you consider personality. They date girls who im sure usually dont have what you consider personality either. Therefore they are compatible personalitywise.

I wouldn't have survived 1 week in a relationship with someone I didn't get along with regardless of how attractive they are.

It's about both. You need mutual physical attraction and a strong friendship, that's what a companion is.

Sure some guys dont have what you consider personality. They date girls who im sure usually dont have what you consider personality either. Therefore they are compatible personalitywise.

So you just admitted you don't need personality to get in a long-term relationship. Thanks for playing.

No I didnt.. I said they don't have what you consider personality. But when you look at things objectively its clear that their compatibility is a result of their respective personalities.

So you're saying that people without personality are compatible with people who don't have personality. Again, you're agreeing with me; you don't need a personality for an LTR, because you can't get in an LTR with someone else who doesn't have a personality.

Again, thanks for playing.

You said personality doesnt matter. Clearly it does if you believe you have a personality. It's barmy how you can believe you're an expert on these things despite presumably never having had the experience yourself

You just agreed with me that it doesn't matter. You originally said you NEED a personality for an LTR, and now you have admitted that you don't, because you can just find someone else who doesn't have a personality.

It's hilarious watching you spin in circles.

My point is that what you perceive as lack of personality actually is personality. If one of them had my personality the relationship wouldnt work out.

Everybody has a personality, then. And if everyone has one, then nobody "needs" one.

Again, thanks for playing.

Everyone has looks, everyone has personality. You need to be compatible in both to have a successful relationship. Good luck

Everyone has an adequate personality to get in LTRs. Scumbags get in LTRs.

Not everyone has adequate looks.

I’ve seen many, many couples out there where both the man and the woman are ugly. But they have compatible personalities. You don’t need to be good looking to be in a relationship.

You need to be good looking enough.

Anyone willing to rock a Hitler stash already has a questionable personality. And im not here to make the argument that personality means anything to anyone. Most people in the world are shallow. If they have good personalities they probably have some friends, which has nothing to do with how fuckable they are. Actually dating someone is essentially being friends with them and having sex. Then there's being friends. Then there's fucking. No one wants to have sex with someone they're not attracted to. No one wants to be pals eith a Hitler impersonator. Or at least I don't.

I'm an incel, I already know personality doesn't matter. It was a meme.

Im not an incel and I know that. But can you blame the world for being shallow? I mean we aren't having sex with personalities out here. If your a good guy it gets you friends not buns.

I don't blame the world for it, I blame the liars who keep insisting that personality matters over looks.

You should really read what we say on here and stop thinking about the stereotype of us you've been fed.

I haven't been fed any information about this sub. This is the second time I've come across this sub, last time it was called incels. No one has ever even mentioned this sub to me. In fact im my only friend that uses reddit and im subbed to art pages and videogame pages exclusively. Also, you've misinterpreted what I meant. I didn't aim to call you out for placing blame, I was using that purely as an expression. To me the shallow nature of humans is a reasonable response to being surrounded by so many people. By "can you blame the world" I meant that it seems reasonable to me that people are so shallow these days.

Who in their right mind wants to date a guy with a hitler tashe!

Mabye don't be a fat slob version of Fred Durst or wear a Hitler moustache, you disgustingly irritating pieces of shit.

Damn that fatcel is fucked

I mean, one can lose weight and the other is trying to look like fucking discount shelf Hitler.

hitler was bae dawg

Well who's gonna fuck mini Hitler or Mr. Potato Head?

There has been some high quality content in this sub recently. I like this change.

KEK

It's probably over for some of you and probably not for more. Trouble is youre all incredibly insecure and thus all believe it's you. What I do know is that staying in a community like this will only make you more miserable and unattractive

Make some female friends

I don't blame the world for it, I blame the liars who keep insisting that personality matters over looks.

You should really read what we say on here and stop thinking about the stereotype of us you've been fed.

The real cope is comparing yourself to someone that's deformed so you never have to face direct rejection.