Nobody denies that sexual attraction matters in relationships. However it is true that in a relationship, attraction is influenced by more factors than in a random encounter between strangers, where there's little opportunity to consider anything other than looks and initial charm.
Holy fuck you're dumb. People in "orbit" are people with attraction to the person in question while said person has no attraction for them, your argument in no way reflects any semblance of reality yet you tout it as gospel.
No one has ever said that sexual attraction "doesn't matter" in relationships. Only that it matters LESS than incels claim.
In one night stands, looks are going to be nearly 100% of what is considered. In a relationship there are factors other than pure physical attraction to be considered.
Women love dominance and power. If you demonstrate you're on top of the social hierarchy, you have a reasonably high likelihood of getting laid (in a one night stand) even if you're ugly.
Example? If Trump wanted to get a one night stand with some randokm hoe, he could easily do so. It's not looks. It's LMS.
I've always had success with women by being honest, interesting and funny. My looks are average, my money is not impressive, and my status is nonexistent.
I don't think this rule applies for anything except club hookups that incels seem obsessed with as the sole arbiter of sexual success.
I've always had success with women by being honest, interesting and funny. My looks are average, my money is not impressive, and my status is nonexistent.
Well I'll admit the amount you sincerely believe this is funny so I'll give you that. but if honesty and being interesting all an incel would have to do to get a girlfriend would be explain how fucked over we are.
Judging by everyone coming here to laugh at us incels are pretty interesting and funny, we should have floods of high quality women throwig themselves at us for being honest but instead they'd just think we were crazy and try to run away and call the police.
No, people don't come here because you're funny. People come here to gawk at how insane you all seem. People outside this bubble don't experience the world the way you claim we do. It's interesting in a sad way to see people so devoted to their delusion.
You don't need to be funny to have people laugh at you, you can just be an perceived as pathetic instead, and you said yourself "it's interesting to see people so devoted to their delusion" so we are interesting in some form.
In online dating, it's true that white men have an advantage according to statistics. But I haven't met any of my long term partners online.
Besides it varies from week to week in the incel community who has the advantage. For a while it was only BBC that could possibly get laid. Then it was tall guys can't me incel.
Why do you think dating trends shift between online and in real life? If people like thing A online, it's safe to assume they like thing A offline as well.
Because offline introduces a ton of new variables. Online consists of physical appearance, and a few sentences of text. IRL features body language, all sorts of nonverbal communication, personality, etc.
Maybe you wouldn't have thought that Asian guy was hot shit on Tinder, but he's chatting you up and making you laugh and he suddenly seems more appealing. Attraction can build based on actual proximity and interaction, despite what incels claim.
Would you get into a committed relationship with a girl you're not physially attracted to? Like, not at all?
No, I would have to be physically attracted to her on some level. But if I'm dating a 5/10 and a 7/10, the 5/10 can easily win my favor by being more compatible with me on a personality level. Most people don't make their dating decisions based on maximizing the attractiveness of their partner.
You still have to meet a threshold, but that will be different for every person.
But if I'm dating a 5/10 and a 7/10, the 5/10 can easily win my favor by being more compatible with me on a personality level.
Top fucking kek.
You do realise that the 10 point scale doesn't end at 5/10? That there are guys at legit 1's, 2's, 3's? You do realise that there are hundreds of thousands of them? Would you go on their forums to spout platitudes about how you'd settle for a 5/10?
Because this is exactly what you're doing. And the best part is that you think you're helping.
You do realise that the 10 point scale doesn't end at 5/10? That there are guys at legit 1's, 2's, 3's?
I acknowledge that these people exist. I always acknowledge that there are people too ugly to have an easy time finding someone attracted to them. Still not impossible. But it will be harder and you'll need to compensate by being legitimately charming in other ways.
But most people are not 2/10. Most people on here aren't either, despite what you all scream. Every single time an incel shows their photo they are totally average looking.
Just curious, why don't most of you really ugly folks, those too afraid to post a picture even here of all places, just kill yourselves? I mean if it's really that bad, why waste the time? I'd just grab my trusty shotgun and blam-o.
I'm not arguing that personality ISN'T important. It is important not to be an utter cunt, however people come in here and straight up tell us that ugliness doesn't hold you back. Just lol, as if anyone was stupid enough to believe that BS.
No it’s not. It’s funny that so many people who have never had a relationship are so sure of how they work and completely dismiss those of us who HAVE had relationships.
No it’s not. It’s funny that so many people who have never had a relationship are so sure of how they work
I mean, yeah, since we can actually see how similar we are to every person in a relationship and the only difference is how ugly we all are, it's pretty easy to see how they work.
and completely dismiss those of us who HAVE had relationships.
Yeah, I tend to dismiss privileged classes when they try to "educate" me on how they "totally earned" their status
The only difference isn’t how ugly you are. It’s your attitude. “All women are awful which is why I can’t get a date though I’d never consider dating a woman who isn’t a virgin who’s under 20 with a side job as a model.” And furthermore, no one is in a “privileged class” just because they’ve managed to have sex. A guy with a moderately bad case of Downs syndrome I went to high school with is engaged. Not to a “Stacey” though. To someone else with Downs.
All you have to do to have sex and be in a relationship is to not be a shitty person and to only pursue people on your level. If your face looks like you had an accident with a chainsaw when you were a kid then go talk to the girl who looks like the female version of the elephant man.
The only difference isn’t how ugly you are. It’s your attitude. “All women are awful which is why I can’t get a date though I’d never consider dating a woman who isn’t a virgin who’s under 20 with a side job as a model.”
Thats not at all my attitude, youre thinking of the stereotype you've been fed about us. I'll literally be with any woman so long as she doesn't abuse me.
And furthermore, no one is in a “privileged class” just because they’ve managed to have sex. A guy with a moderately bad case of Downs syndrome I went to high school with is engaged. Not to a “Stacey” though. To someone else with Downs
Whites, women, the wealthy, and attractive men are all privileged classes and all of which increases your chances of having sex. You're thinking about it in the wrong direction. They're not privileged because they have sex, they have sex because they are privileged.
All you have to do to have sex and be in a relationship is to not be a shitty person and to only pursue people on your level.
Well, I'm not a shitty person and I've pursued plenty of people "on my level". You could think I'm a shitty person now though because of the hundreds of women "on my level" (and below) rejecting me and pursuing 8/10 men, which leaves a bit of a frustration in me. But that's not why I'm not getting women, that's because I'm not.
Also being a shitty person never stopped women from fucking Chad, every wifebeater in history by definition was married to a woman. Why didn't those women sense that their fiance was a shitty person? Why is it they can somehow sense my posts on an anonymous internet forum just by looking at me?
If your face looks like you had an accident with a chainsaw when you were a kid then go talk to the girl who looks like the female version of the elephant man.
They go for 8/10 men. Women don't date sideways, women date up (whether in class or in looks). All women.
Because you can be likable and build a connection prior to entering a relationship. You can be funny and charming and enjoyable to be around, even for only a short time, and the impact is significant.
If you're out looking for a one night stand where the whole point is physical attraction, then yeah, you're not gonna have much luck if you're not pretty. But physical attraction is only a single component of relationships.
physical attraction is only a single component of relationships.
But a component that HAS to be there, unconditionally. Everyone who claims, they would get into a long-term committed relationship with someone they're not physically attracted to AT ALL (AT ALL), is a liar.
You'd have to be a one in a million case for it to be impossible for a woman to be even a little bit attracted to you. Wallow in self-pity if you want, but I really doubt you're that bad. I've seen a good amount of "incel" pics, and not a single one has been below 4. Many are closer to 6. Attraction isn't an all-or-nothing deal, and like I said, it grows with personal connection. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that looks don't matter, or that you have just as many options as Chad. But if you're willing to have the right mindset - and I'm not referring to ultra-cuck self-hating gargantuan effort, just a basic willingness to try and the humility to acknowledge mistakes - you've got a shot.
I've seen a good amount of "incel" pics, and not a single one has been below 4. Many are closer to 6.
Have you considered that the actually 1/10, 2/10 and 3/10 guys are too ashamed to post their faces publically? I thought it's obvious but apparently not for everyone.
Even if you consider just the bottom 1% of men, the very most genetically unfortunate, there's EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND of them in the US alone. Imagine a room of 100 random guys and pick the very ugliest of them. For men like that it is - for intents and purposes - impossible to attract a woman.
Why are you so hell-bent on disturbing one of the very last places they have in this world? You can share your feelings and opinions literally anywhere else. Do you also go to terminal cancer meetups to tell the dying about your plans for the future?
Sexually preferring your partner to other partners is important at any stage of a relationship. What wanes in importance is looks-based attraction. It's edged out by nonphysical attraction; not replaced entirely, but the balance shifts noticeably.
Of course. But it's not like "the attractiveness check" is this impenetrable wall of hotness. Whether you spark the interest of someone depends on that person's preferences, where you are, how their day was, the outfit you're wearing, etc. And it's vanishingly unlikely that those odds never work out in your favor, even if they more often work out in those of other men.
The "hit the gym, take a shower, buy new clothes" shtick is stupid because it's akin to telling a poor person "well, why not go without your daily Starbucks?" But that doesn't mean it isn't good advice. It's about improving your odds. After that, it's a waiting game.
But it's not like "the attractiveness check" is this impenetrable wall of hotness.
For some men it IS impenetrable.
If you consider just the bottom 5% in attractiveness, the most genetically unfortunate of men, there's still EIGHT MILLION of them in the US alone. And when 8 thousands of them get together to vent on an internet forum you just can't help yourself but come and spout the same shit that's been spouted a million times before.
Why? Does it make you feel better about yourself to look at people even less fortunate than you? Is this some kind of sadistic pleasure?
Because you guys are the Internet equivalent of an injured animal wailing in the distance. Of course I'm going to come and see what's happening.
I think people in the bottom 5% of attractiveness are mostly unattractive because of controllable factors, e.g. morbid obesity and drug addiction. I don't know anyone who is just genetically poorly enough to make dating impossible. Do they exist? I'm sure, unfortunately. Do most of the men here fit that bill? I'm sure not.
I think people in the bottom 5% of attractiveness are mostly unattractive because of controllable factors, e.g. morbid obesity and drug addiction.
Absolute nonsense.
At birth some people have better (more attractive) genetics than others, so of course you will have a bottom 50%, a bottom 10%, and a bottom 5%. You can lift, shower and do all the obvious stuff, but you will always be in the bottom 5% genetically.
Imagine a guy who's short, balding, with recessed chin and narrow shoulders. Not technically deformed or ill, but still repulsive to women. All because of his bone and hair genetics. This is what I mean by bottom the bottom 5%.
In other words, no one gives a fuck what you think. Reality is not a just-world fairytale where the underdog wins in the end.
Not going to read the rest of your comment, but do you really expect me to believe you don't care what I think when you've put this much effort into convincing me I'm wrong? (Which I'm not, by the way).
Women may overestimate the role personality plays in their own attraction, but this sub is overwhelmingly full of bad personality. Let's put 2 and 2 together.
Because acknowledging the existence of genetically failed men, who can't do anything about their predicament, goes contrary to your just-world fallacy, in which hard work and good personality in the end prevail against all odds.
this sub is overwhelmingly full of bad personality.
Then to convince us (and yourself) that since we suffer we must be bad people - because this is how the world works, right?
You're really nothing special. It's like they make you guys in a factory or something.
True. It feels like more than half of the content here is produced by rubberneckers, which makes it less entertaining, but I think the guys who post here do so specifically to argue with people (because there are some incel hubs far more exclusive than this one).
That's not what this is really about. Young men will always be bitter and confused; it's something you have to grow out of. Whether y'all feel directly validated ("a girl is lying to me on the internet about women being evil!") or indirectly validated ("no girls will talk to me! women are evil!"), there's the same end result of malformed angst and misdirected frustration. I'm not responding because I want to change that. I don't think it's possible for anyone here to do so.
If people want to dehumanize you, you can't exactly assert your humanity from behind a keyboard. But you can at least cut through the echo chamber and make it a little harder for them to luxuriate in their self-pity.
So that's a yes. What a surprise, another roastie come here to lecture incels. "My boyfriend was an incel when we met teehee, he though no girls wanted him because he was 6'3 white and his jaw was too strong. It will get better guys trust me".
Women will never understand what it's like to be lonely and unwanted and you being here is an insult to all incels.
Rhetorical question? It comes down to pattern differences in puberty and late adolescence. Testosterone amplifies negative emotions and T levels are highest around 18-25. Teen girls experience mood swings but they are naturally punctuated and tend to fall off much earlier in age than with men, because female puberty ends a lot earlier. And because young women are normally much more mature than young men, they intentionally create social support networks, communicate their emotions, and performing emotional labor for each other, so they can externalize and contextualize their problems and don't build up emotional plaque. I don't pretend to know what adolescent male relationships look like, but I can't imagine they involve as many crying-on-each-others-shoulders sessions as mine do.
It's not because life sucks so hard for young guys. It does suck, for many of them, but that isn't why this community exists, because life sucks for a lot of young women too. They just deal with it better, because, well, they're able to. There you go.
The reason why women have better support networks is because they are inherently more valuable. Also, nobody gives a fuck about men's emotions. Especially not these women who are so able to "communicate their emotions".
They just deal with it better, because, well, they're able to.
Well, it's biology. Yes, young women normally don't care about the emotions of young men. I don't think there's anything particularly tragic about that. Young girls also create their own support networks, so I can't begin to understand what you mean when you say they have them because...they're valuable.
Can I ask how old you are? If you're under 25 I'm assuming you're still stuck in the T-haze and will emerge to join me on the other side some day soon.
People like you think your ugliness is why you can’t get a girl, but there plenty of ugly ass dudes I’ve seen with a cute girl.
You fail to realize (or pretend you don’t know) that the reason you can’t get a girl is because you’re pathetically socially awkward and weird, which makes everyone uncomfortable. Instead of improving that, you’ve made a pathetic excuse and convinced yourself it’s your looks which can’t be fixed.
Bitch, you don't know every incels situation, ok? For every rare ugly dude who has a cute girlfriend, there's a 100 other ugly dudes who severely struggle.
I know right?
Normies say sexual appeal and sex doesn't matter, and yet if you go on any normie sub and see someone complaining about sex the first answers are usually "leave them" or some other shit.
Normies say that sexuality doesn't matter when there are incels around, but among themselves they clearly acknowledge that bad sex life = bad relationship.
I think people in the bottom 5% of attractiveness are mostly unattractive because of controllable factors, e.g. morbid obesity and drug addiction.
Absolute nonsense.
At birth some people have better (more attractive) genetics than others, so of course you will have a bottom 50%, a bottom 10%, and a bottom 5%. You can lift, shower and do all the obvious stuff, but you will always be in the bottom 5% genetically.
Imagine a guy who's short, balding, with recessed chin and narrow shoulders. Not technically deformed or ill, but still repulsive to women. All because of his bone and hair genetics. This is what I mean by bottom the bottom 5%.
In other words, no one gives a fuck what you think. Reality is not a just-world fairytale where the underdog wins in the end.
The reason why women have better support networks is because they are inherently more valuable. Also, nobody gives a fuck about men's emotions. Especially not these women who are so able to "communicate their emotions".
They just deal with it better, because, well, they're able to.
The only difference isn’t how ugly you are. It’s your attitude. “All women are awful which is why I can’t get a date though I’d never consider dating a woman who isn’t a virgin who’s under 20 with a side job as a model.” And furthermore, no one is in a “privileged class” just because they’ve managed to have sex. A guy with a moderately bad case of Downs syndrome I went to high school with is engaged. Not to a “Stacey” though. To someone else with Downs.
All you have to do to have sex and be in a relationship is to not be a shitty person and to only pursue people on your level. If your face looks like you had an accident with a chainsaw when you were a kid then go talk to the girl who looks like the female version of the elephant man.
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1 KingOfCorinth 2018-02-20
Nobody denies that sexual attraction matters in relationships. However it is true that in a relationship, attraction is influenced by more factors than in a random encounter between strangers, where there's little opportunity to consider anything other than looks and initial charm.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-02-20
Nope otherwise females would fuck the betas they put in orbit instead.
1 breakfastATepiphanie 2018-02-20
Industrial-strength blackpill. IT incels will not be able to respond to this one.
1 fishet 2018-02-20
Holy fuck you're dumb. People in "orbit" are people with attraction to the person in question while said person has no attraction for them, your argument in no way reflects any semblance of reality yet you tout it as gospel.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-02-20
Which is exactly my fucking point you retard. LOOKS. Now stop stalking my posts you creep.
0 fishet 2018-02-20
This is coming from the guy who went through my entire post history to find a picture of me.
You're also the moron who can't explain his own views on love so he tells people to kill themselves instead.
1 Build_that_Bear 2018-02-20
No one has ever said that sexual attraction "doesn't matter" in relationships. Only that it matters LESS than incels claim.
In one night stands, looks are going to be nearly 100% of what is considered. In a relationship there are factors other than pure physical attraction to be considered.
1 TheVertex_ 2018-02-20
Women love dominance and power. If you demonstrate you're on top of the social hierarchy, you have a reasonably high likelihood of getting laid (in a one night stand) even if you're ugly.
Example? If Trump wanted to get a one night stand with some randokm hoe, he could easily do so. It's not looks. It's LMS.
1 Build_that_Bear 2018-02-20
I've always had success with women by being honest, interesting and funny. My looks are average, my money is not impressive, and my status is nonexistent.
I don't think this rule applies for anything except club hookups that incels seem obsessed with as the sole arbiter of sexual success.
1 ceDrowRanger 2018-02-20
Well I'll admit the amount you sincerely believe this is funny so I'll give you that. but if honesty and being interesting all an incel would have to do to get a girlfriend would be explain how fucked over we are.
1 Build_that_Bear 2018-02-20
Bitching and moaning about your life doesn't make you interesting. A woe is me attitude is a pretty quick way to lose everyone's interest.
1 ceDrowRanger 2018-02-20
Judging by everyone coming here to laugh at us incels are pretty interesting and funny, we should have floods of high quality women throwig themselves at us for being honest but instead they'd just think we were crazy and try to run away and call the police.
1 Build_that_Bear 2018-02-20
No, people don't come here because you're funny. People come here to gawk at how insane you all seem. People outside this bubble don't experience the world the way you claim we do. It's interesting in a sad way to see people so devoted to their delusion.
1 ceDrowRanger 2018-02-20
You don't need to be funny to have people laugh at you, you can just be an perceived as pathetic instead, and you said yourself "it's interesting to see people so devoted to their delusion" so we are interesting in some form.
1 Build_that_Bear 2018-02-20
But not in a way that anyone will be romantically attracted to.
Serial killers are interesting, but I'm not going to be attracted to them (cue incels screaming that women love serial killers)
1 r4risbullshit 2018-02-20
Have you ever considered that most incels vent on the Internet entirely because they know people IRL don't want to listen to people who complain?
1 VonMagnar 2018-02-20
Then he wouldn't have anything that makes him feel better about his life though.
1 r4risbullshit 2018-02-20
True, I shouldn't have stepped on that boundary. Now I'm in for it!
1 SoNotMarshall 2018-02-20
Are you white in a western country?
1 Build_that_Bear 2018-02-20
Yes, I am.
Let me guess, "Of course you have success with women! You're white! They're probably still all 2/10 landwhales, though!!"
1 SoNotMarshall 2018-02-20
I don't care the quality of women you choose to date, but it's ignorant to not realize white men have an advantage in dating.
1 Build_that_Bear 2018-02-20
In online dating, it's true that white men have an advantage according to statistics. But I haven't met any of my long term partners online.
Besides it varies from week to week in the incel community who has the advantage. For a while it was only BBC that could possibly get laid. Then it was tall guys can't me incel.
1 SoNotMarshall 2018-02-20
Why do you think dating trends shift between online and in real life? If people like thing A online, it's safe to assume they like thing A offline as well.
1 Build_that_Bear 2018-02-20
Because offline introduces a ton of new variables. Online consists of physical appearance, and a few sentences of text. IRL features body language, all sorts of nonverbal communication, personality, etc.
Maybe you wouldn't have thought that Asian guy was hot shit on Tinder, but he's chatting you up and making you laugh and he suddenly seems more appealing. Attraction can build based on actual proximity and interaction, despite what incels claim.
1 Fat__ 2018-02-20
Would you get into a committed relationship with a girl you're not physially attracted to? Like, not at all?
1 Build_that_Bear 2018-02-20
No, I would have to be physically attracted to her on some level. But if I'm dating a 5/10 and a 7/10, the 5/10 can easily win my favor by being more compatible with me on a personality level. Most people don't make their dating decisions based on maximizing the attractiveness of their partner.
You still have to meet a threshold, but that will be different for every person.
1 Fat__ 2018-02-20
Top fucking kek.
You do realise that the 10 point scale doesn't end at 5/10? That there are guys at legit 1's, 2's, 3's? You do realise that there are hundreds of thousands of them? Would you go on their forums to spout platitudes about how you'd settle for a 5/10?
Because this is exactly what you're doing. And the best part is that you think you're helping.
1 Build_that_Bear 2018-02-20
I acknowledge that these people exist. I always acknowledge that there are people too ugly to have an easy time finding someone attracted to them. Still not impossible. But it will be harder and you'll need to compensate by being legitimately charming in other ways.
But most people are not 2/10. Most people on here aren't either, despite what you all scream. Every single time an incel shows their photo they are totally average looking.
1 DestroyingIdioticPpl 2018-02-20
That's because most of us don't post our pictures.
1 FukinGruven 2018-02-20
Just curious, why don't most of you really ugly folks, those too afraid to post a picture even here of all places, just kill yourselves? I mean if it's really that bad, why waste the time? I'd just grab my trusty shotgun and blam-o.
1 DestroyingIdioticPpl 2018-02-20
Fear of death.
1 FukinGruven 2018-02-20
Damn, ya'll really can't win, can you?
1 daskettenkrad 2018-02-20
YEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAWWWWW
Now fuck off, sonny.
1 DestroyingIdioticPpl 2018-02-20
YEEEEEEEHAWWWWWWW!
1 bopoll 2018-02-20
YEEEEEEHAAAAWWWWW
1 grimm_ghost 2018-02-20
And yet ugly/fat women get one night stands all the time. Hmmm really makes you think.
1 Build_that_Bear 2018-02-20
Sounds like there's a lot of men out there who will stick their dick in anything that moves.
That would seem to speak more poorly of men than women, but I'm sure you see some way this proves women are evil and disgusting monsters.
1 probably_not_serious 2018-02-20
So do plenty of men. These are the ones having sex with the ugly and fat women. You can too. You just have to actually try and not give up.
1 pizzatoppings88 2018-02-20
Wait that first button is obviously wrong. Sexuality is crucial in all relationships, from one night hook ups to long term relationships
1 PROLAPSED_SUBWOOFER 2018-02-20
And yet that blatant lie is told to us all the time.
1 probably_not_serious 2018-02-20
No it’s not. Saying personality is important does not mean you don’t need sexual attraction.
1 PROLAPSED_SUBWOOFER 2018-02-20
Yes it is.
I'm not arguing that personality ISN'T important. It is important not to be an utter cunt, however people come in here and straight up tell us that ugliness doesn't hold you back. Just lol, as if anyone was stupid enough to believe that BS.
1 probably_not_serious 2018-02-20
It doesn’t put you ahead. But it doesn’t disqualify you either. It’s just one part of the picture.
1 bopoll 2018-02-20
A very large part of the picture. Like nearly all of it.
0 probably_not_serious 2018-02-20
No it’s not. It’s funny that so many people who have never had a relationship are so sure of how they work and completely dismiss those of us who HAVE had relationships.
1 bopoll 2018-02-20
I mean, yeah, since we can actually see how similar we are to every person in a relationship and the only difference is how ugly we all are, it's pretty easy to see how they work.
Yeah, I tend to dismiss privileged classes when they try to "educate" me on how they "totally earned" their status
0 probably_not_serious 2018-02-20
The only difference isn’t how ugly you are. It’s your attitude. “All women are awful which is why I can’t get a date though I’d never consider dating a woman who isn’t a virgin who’s under 20 with a side job as a model.” And furthermore, no one is in a “privileged class” just because they’ve managed to have sex. A guy with a moderately bad case of Downs syndrome I went to high school with is engaged. Not to a “Stacey” though. To someone else with Downs.
All you have to do to have sex and be in a relationship is to not be a shitty person and to only pursue people on your level. If your face looks like you had an accident with a chainsaw when you were a kid then go talk to the girl who looks like the female version of the elephant man.
1 bopoll 2018-02-20
Thats not at all my attitude, youre thinking of the stereotype you've been fed about us. I'll literally be with any woman so long as she doesn't abuse me.
Whites, women, the wealthy, and attractive men are all privileged classes and all of which increases your chances of having sex. You're thinking about it in the wrong direction. They're not privileged because they have sex, they have sex because they are privileged.
Well, I'm not a shitty person and I've pursued plenty of people "on my level". You could think I'm a shitty person now though because of the hundreds of women "on my level" (and below) rejecting me and pursuing 8/10 men, which leaves a bit of a frustration in me. But that's not why I'm not getting women, that's because I'm not.
Also being a shitty person never stopped women from fucking Chad, every wifebeater in history by definition was married to a woman. Why didn't those women sense that their fiance was a shitty person? Why is it they can somehow sense my posts on an anonymous internet forum just by looking at me?
They go for 8/10 men. Women don't date sideways, women date up (whether in class or in looks). All women.
1 PROLAPSED_SUBWOOFER 2018-02-20
I love it.
1 iQ9k 2018-02-20
Retards, all of them. Actual fucking retards
1 gstvtrp 2018-02-20
Embodied Meme Lookup Tables
1 NotQuiteSane42 2018-02-20
People become more attractive when you like them, and even more attractive when there's a strong emotional connection.
Physical attractiveness plays a part in long-term relationships, especially for getting started, but it's not what keeps them going.
1 Fat__ 2018-02-20
Why would someone, who's too unattractive to get a relationship at all, care what keeps one going?
1 NotQuiteSane42 2018-02-20
Because you can be likable and build a connection prior to entering a relationship. You can be funny and charming and enjoyable to be around, even for only a short time, and the impact is significant.
If you're out looking for a one night stand where the whole point is physical attraction, then yeah, you're not gonna have much luck if you're not pretty. But physical attraction is only a single component of relationships.
1 Fat__ 2018-02-20
But a component that HAS to be there, unconditionally. Everyone who claims, they would get into a long-term committed relationship with someone they're not physically attracted to AT ALL (AT ALL), is a liar.
1 NotQuiteSane42 2018-02-20
You'd have to be a one in a million case for it to be impossible for a woman to be even a little bit attracted to you. Wallow in self-pity if you want, but I really doubt you're that bad. I've seen a good amount of "incel" pics, and not a single one has been below 4. Many are closer to 6. Attraction isn't an all-or-nothing deal, and like I said, it grows with personal connection. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that looks don't matter, or that you have just as many options as Chad. But if you're willing to have the right mindset - and I'm not referring to ultra-cuck self-hating gargantuan effort, just a basic willingness to try and the humility to acknowledge mistakes - you've got a shot.
1 Fat__ 2018-02-20
Have you considered that the actually 1/10, 2/10 and 3/10 guys are too ashamed to post their faces publically? I thought it's obvious but apparently not for everyone.
Even if you consider just the bottom 1% of men, the very most genetically unfortunate, there's EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND of them in the US alone. Imagine a room of 100 random guys and pick the very ugliest of them. For men like that it is - for intents and purposes - impossible to attract a woman.
Why are you so hell-bent on disturbing one of the very last places they have in this world? You can share your feelings and opinions literally anywhere else. Do you also go to terminal cancer meetups to tell the dying about your plans for the future?
1 daskettenkrad 2018-02-20
Get ready to be mocked for comparing romantic woes with cancer. It just never stops.
1 probably_not_serious 2018-02-20
If you don’t care then why post about it.
1 lilactaffy 2018-02-20
Sexually preferring your partner to other partners is important at any stage of a relationship. What wanes in importance is looks-based attraction. It's edged out by nonphysical attraction; not replaced entirely, but the balance shifts noticeably.
1 Fat__ 2018-02-20
But to get into a relationship in the first place you HAVE to pass the attractiveness check. That's why theres incels.
1 lilactaffy 2018-02-20
Of course. But it's not like "the attractiveness check" is this impenetrable wall of hotness. Whether you spark the interest of someone depends on that person's preferences, where you are, how their day was, the outfit you're wearing, etc. And it's vanishingly unlikely that those odds never work out in your favor, even if they more often work out in those of other men.
The "hit the gym, take a shower, buy new clothes" shtick is stupid because it's akin to telling a poor person "well, why not go without your daily Starbucks?" But that doesn't mean it isn't good advice. It's about improving your odds. After that, it's a waiting game.
1 Fat__ 2018-02-20
For some men it IS impenetrable.
If you consider just the bottom 5% in attractiveness, the most genetically unfortunate of men, there's still EIGHT MILLION of them in the US alone. And when 8 thousands of them get together to vent on an internet forum you just can't help yourself but come and spout the same shit that's been spouted a million times before.
Why? Does it make you feel better about yourself to look at people even less fortunate than you? Is this some kind of sadistic pleasure?
1 lilactaffy 2018-02-20
Because you guys are the Internet equivalent of an injured animal wailing in the distance. Of course I'm going to come and see what's happening.
I think people in the bottom 5% of attractiveness are mostly unattractive because of controllable factors, e.g. morbid obesity and drug addiction. I don't know anyone who is just genetically poorly enough to make dating impossible. Do they exist? I'm sure, unfortunately. Do most of the men here fit that bill? I'm sure not.
1 Fat__ 2018-02-20
Absolute nonsense.
At birth some people have better (more attractive) genetics than others, so of course you will have a bottom 50%, a bottom 10%, and a bottom 5%. You can lift, shower and do all the obvious stuff, but you will always be in the bottom 5% genetically.
Imagine a guy who's short, balding, with recessed chin and narrow shoulders. Not technically deformed or ill, but still repulsive to women. All because of his bone and hair genetics. This is what I mean by bottom the bottom 5%.
In other words, no one gives a fuck what you think. Reality is not a just-world fairytale where the underdog wins in the end.
1 lilactaffy 2018-02-20
Not going to read the rest of your comment, but do you really expect me to believe you don't care what I think when you've put this much effort into convincing me I'm wrong? (Which I'm not, by the way).
Women may overestimate the role personality plays in their own attraction, but this sub is overwhelmingly full of bad personality. Let's put 2 and 2 together.
1 Fat__ 2018-02-20
Because acknowledging the existence of genetically failed men, who can't do anything about their predicament, goes contrary to your just-world fallacy, in which hard work and good personality in the end prevail against all odds.
Then to convince us (and yourself) that since we suffer we must be bad people - because this is how the world works, right?
You're really nothing special. It's like they make you guys in a factory or something.
1 VonMagnar 2018-02-20
The amount of zoo visitors this place has been getting is becoming kind of ridiculous.
1 lilactaffy 2018-02-20
True. It feels like more than half of the content here is produced by rubberneckers, which makes it less entertaining, but I think the guys who post here do so specifically to argue with people (because there are some incel hubs far more exclusive than this one).
1 BF8211 2018-02-20
Ever think that you're indulging them by taking their posts seriously, thus validating them so they keep doing it?
1 lilactaffy 2018-02-20
That's not what this is really about. Young men will always be bitter and confused; it's something you have to grow out of. Whether y'all feel directly validated ("a girl is lying to me on the internet about women being evil!") or indirectly validated ("no girls will talk to me! women are evil!"), there's the same end result of malformed angst and misdirected frustration. I'm not responding because I want to change that. I don't think it's possible for anyone here to do so.
If people want to dehumanize you, you can't exactly assert your humanity from behind a keyboard. But you can at least cut through the echo chamber and make it a little harder for them to luxuriate in their self-pity.
1 SoNotMarshall 2018-02-20
Are you a woman?
1 lilactaffy 2018-02-20
Don't think it's relevant. There are a lot of men and women who agree with me.
1 SoNotMarshall 2018-02-20
So that's a yes. What a surprise, another roastie come here to lecture incels. "My boyfriend was an incel when we met teehee, he though no girls wanted him because he was 6'3 white and his jaw was too strong. It will get better guys trust me".
Women will never understand what it's like to be lonely and unwanted and you being here is an insult to all incels.
1 lilactaffy 2018-02-20
Wah.
1 SoNotMarshall 2018-02-20
Get off our sub roastie
1 lilactaffy 2018-02-20
No.
1 gstvtrp 2018-02-20
Hmm isn't it weird how this is a young men thing and not a young women thing? Why is that?
1 lilactaffy 2018-02-20
Rhetorical question? It comes down to pattern differences in puberty and late adolescence. Testosterone amplifies negative emotions and T levels are highest around 18-25. Teen girls experience mood swings but they are naturally punctuated and tend to fall off much earlier in age than with men, because female puberty ends a lot earlier. And because young women are normally much more mature than young men, they intentionally create social support networks, communicate their emotions, and performing emotional labor for each other, so they can externalize and contextualize their problems and don't build up emotional plaque. I don't pretend to know what adolescent male relationships look like, but I can't imagine they involve as many crying-on-each-others-shoulders sessions as mine do.
It's not because life sucks so hard for young guys. It does suck, for many of them, but that isn't why this community exists, because life sucks for a lot of young women too. They just deal with it better, because, well, they're able to. There you go.
1 gstvtrp 2018-02-20
And I think that's a whole lot of bullshit.
The reason why women have better support networks is because they are inherently more valuable. Also, nobody gives a fuck about men's emotions. Especially not these women who are so able to "communicate their emotions".
They have it easier on average.
1 lilactaffy 2018-02-20
Well, it's biology. Yes, young women normally don't care about the emotions of young men. I don't think there's anything particularly tragic about that. Young girls also create their own support networks, so I can't begin to understand what you mean when you say they have them because...they're valuable.
Can I ask how old you are? If you're under 25 I'm assuming you're still stuck in the T-haze and will emerge to join me on the other side some day soon.
1 sweetpotatuh 2018-02-20
People like you think your ugliness is why you can’t get a girl, but there plenty of ugly ass dudes I’ve seen with a cute girl.
You fail to realize (or pretend you don’t know) that the reason you can’t get a girl is because you’re pathetically socially awkward and weird, which makes everyone uncomfortable. Instead of improving that, you’ve made a pathetic excuse and convinced yourself it’s your looks which can’t be fixed.
1 gstvtrp 2018-02-20
Bitch, you don't know every incels situation, ok? For every rare ugly dude who has a cute girlfriend, there's a 100 other ugly dudes who severely struggle.
1 Fat__ 2018-02-20
Why are you saying this? Do you know me? You don't, so fuck off.
1 xtsv 2018-02-20
I know right? Normies say sexual appeal and sex doesn't matter, and yet if you go on any normie sub and see someone complaining about sex the first answers are usually "leave them" or some other shit.
Sex is important.
1 Fat__ 2018-02-20
Normies say that sexuality doesn't matter when there are incels around, but among themselves they clearly acknowledge that bad sex life = bad relationship.
1 xtsv 2018-02-20
That's because normies are two-faced scum that they pretend to hate.
1 canad1anbacon 2018-02-20
Of course sexual attractiveness matters in relationships lol
1 ERDIDNOTHINGWRONG 2018-02-20
Show them no mercy. They are worth less than cattle.
1 masternater10 2018-02-20
sexual attractiveness =/= sexuality
0 bopoll 2018-02-20
Sexuality is a result of sexual attraction
0 masternater10 2018-02-20
I can masturbate without thinking of anything and just flopping my dick around until it gets hard...this is sexuality without sexual attraction.
1 CompleteSubhuman 2018-02-20
Why does it even matter? Relationshits are worthless cope. They only benefit women. I want SEX
1 robfaw78 2018-02-20
I've never heard an adult claim sexual attractiveness isn't important to a relationship.
1 Fat__ 2018-02-20
Absolute nonsense.
At birth some people have better (more attractive) genetics than others, so of course you will have a bottom 50%, a bottom 10%, and a bottom 5%. You can lift, shower and do all the obvious stuff, but you will always be in the bottom 5% genetically.
Imagine a guy who's short, balding, with recessed chin and narrow shoulders. Not technically deformed or ill, but still repulsive to women. All because of his bone and hair genetics. This is what I mean by bottom the bottom 5%.
In other words, no one gives a fuck what you think. Reality is not a just-world fairytale where the underdog wins in the end.
1 VonMagnar 2018-02-20
The amount of zoo visitors this place has been getting is becoming kind of ridiculous.
1 PROLAPSED_SUBWOOFER 2018-02-20
And yet that blatant lie is told to us all the time.
1 gstvtrp 2018-02-20
And I think that's a whole lot of bullshit.
The reason why women have better support networks is because they are inherently more valuable. Also, nobody gives a fuck about men's emotions. Especially not these women who are so able to "communicate their emotions".
They have it easier on average.
0 probably_not_serious 2018-02-20
The only difference isn’t how ugly you are. It’s your attitude. “All women are awful which is why I can’t get a date though I’d never consider dating a woman who isn’t a virgin who’s under 20 with a side job as a model.” And furthermore, no one is in a “privileged class” just because they’ve managed to have sex. A guy with a moderately bad case of Downs syndrome I went to high school with is engaged. Not to a “Stacey” though. To someone else with Downs.
All you have to do to have sex and be in a relationship is to not be a shitty person and to only pursue people on your level. If your face looks like you had an accident with a chainsaw when you were a kid then go talk to the girl who looks like the female version of the elephant man.