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Maybe treat them like the sentient human beings they are capable of rational thought and emotions (just like you) instead of joining a cult of people who brag about how they would mistreat women, should they ever be given the opportunity?

So did Hitler. Also, once you get into a relationship, you'll realise looks only get you so far.

We all find different qualities attractive. I love big noses on men, or men who look like teddy bears, or with nice hands. Yes, you have to like what you see to have sex but a sense of humour and how my husband treated others is why I said I love you first to him.

Google Gary McPherson. I grew up with him and his family and his wife fell in love with him while he was wheelchair bound with polio. They had one of the happiest and longest marriages with 2 children. She helped him get his doctorate and helped him lead an active life (he was an assistant coach on my soccer team in like middle school). Amazing family.

It's funny how this is spouted by a person in a committed relationship, who spends hours on the forum for virgins and trolls.

explain lesbians then.

The majority of sexual and intimate relations are heterosexual and we were discussing that as far as I'm concerned but nice try at railroading.

Besides, dynamic dom (man) / sub (woman) is present with lesbians as well. Every heard the term "butch"?

lmao, sexuality is a sliding scale, not just straight, not straight. If ugly gay men and women can still get laid, doesn't that disprove incel's entire point?

You misinterpret the scale as well as projecting a hetero normative discourse upon the homosexual part of the population.

So you think attraction works differently for the LGBTQ community? Like, segregated sex shops? lmao

I said nothing of the sort, please stop embarrassing yourself.

Calm down. Try not to make a scene.

Again, honey, stop embarrassing yourself.

Omigosh, sweetheart. Throwing a tantrum will get you nowhere. :)

You keep embarrassing yourself.

Calm down, You're making a fool of yourself in front of your friends. You must be mortified.

Lady, stop embarrassing yourself.

Sir, I've already asked you to call down.

Lady, you're being silly, stop embarrassing yourself.

Sir, you're being ridiculous.

M'am, stop embarrassing yourself.

Sir, calm down.

M'am, you are being disruptively silly, please stop.

Sir, maybe you should learn moderation and step back from your keyboard before you embarrass your self further.

M'am, you're damaging your brain from all this silliness that you're doing. Step away from the keyboard.

Sir, please ask a parent for supervision next time you log on. Clearly, there is no one present to stop you from being so silly.

Ma'am, your illogical persistence in being silly is impressive but at the end, futile.

Sir, I have the authority to tell you that I feel you're damaging your internet reputation by continuing to engage in such a silly manner. Please refrain from further silliness as you're disrupting other law-abiding patrons of Reddit.

Ma'am, you keep embarrassing yourself.

Sir, chill.

So far, as in 100% of the way.

lol, then explain "ugly" (so to speak) lesbians being able to attract lipstick lesbians?

Why are you fixated on lesbians? Do you have unfulfilled homosexual fantasies?

Well, you're talking about female attraction. Lesbians are females that also feel attraction.

Why would a majority of heterosexual virgins care about lesbians, pray tell.

Because if "ugly lesbians" can get laid by women, wouldn't that make your whole point about "Chads fucking whomever they please" and women only going for chads because they're programmed too entirely moot?

Incels discourse is primarily heterosexual, you are trying to, as Russians like to tell "stretch an owl over the globe", that is, apply the unapplicable in this situation.

But that's incels' whole point: women are too picky. But yet, chinless, big-nosed, acne-filled, overweight or too skinny lesbians haven't started their own incel groups to whine about how they're owed sex. What makes incels so unique that even "ugly" lesbians can get laid with a much smaller dating pool and with the same "picky" women

This discussion is about heterosexual preferences, stop reframing it into something it isn't.

I'm asking what the difference is. If women are all these horrible things, why doesn't it apply to Lesbians?

Because homosexual relationships and power dynamics, beyond stuff shared with heterosexual counterparts, differ significantly.

How? Their arousal system is the same. Their brain releases the same chemicals a s their reproductive system doesn't change. Only what sex they fancy changes. They have the same brains, eyeballs, vaginas, ovaries, and feelings of lust as anyone else. How come they can get laid without starting a support group hating on the objects of their sexual preference?

Because with attraction there's always a societal component of it. Lesbians do not adhere to heterosexual standards, hence the term "heteronormative".

Stop derailing this the way you want it, this is a heterosexual discourse.

but is there is a societal component, wouldn't that still leave them at a steeper disadvantage since their dating pool is smaller, and they're not exactly accepted by all society either. How come ugly lesbians can get laid by women but incels have to start a support group?

but is there is a societal component, wouldn't that still leave them at a steeper disadvantage since their dating pool is smaller, and they're not exactly accepted by all society either.

Dynamics are still different (beyond certain basics shared by heterosexual and homosexual couples). Since I'm neither homosexual, not a woman, I cannot talk about this and find your vehement attempts to reframe the discussion in bad taste.

But you guys are so certain chads can fuck whomever they want. If women can deny a Chad simply because they're not attracted to him but an "uglier" individual, doesn't that prove incels completely moot?

But you guys are so certain chads can fuck whomever they want.

It's part-meme, part observation, when attractive males are able to easily get women to enter relationships with them, while often having qualities that are recognized as "bad", thus making for bad personalities. However, these couples and/or intermittent sexual partners are forgiven for their transgressions because of a certain aspect, which cannot be anything else but their sexual appeal.

So if you're basing your whole movement on being attractive to women, why doesn't that apply to Lesbians?

Who do you mean by "you" and which movement are you referring to?

You=incels.

I might have missed the memo that we became a movement.

semantics

No, it's pretty important, by painting us as a movement you're assuming we have a leader or objectives.

Technically 'incel' is a philosophy and the followers who act on it's principals create a movement. What are incels if not a group of men trying to emotionally blackmail women into giving them sex?

Another question in bad faith. Why am I not surprised?

Then what are incels. Please explain.

A loosely connected group of men of various classes and ethnicities with limited or zero romantic/intimate experience with opposite gender.

And why do I see so many incels saying women owe them sex, petitioning the government to make sex mandatory, talk about women as second class citizens and aren't open to women who suffer the same social awkwardness to join?

How many? Because in the same way I can say what they usually say, that they see women hating them just because they are ugly and are uncomfortable in their presence because reasons.

He, I've also had that experience. A few women were nothing but total bitches even though they didn't know me.

Yet I didn't give in to bias. Why can't you?

You joined a whole group dedicated to your bias.

Alao, I've been physically attacked by men. I didn't join an incel group to self-depreciate how all men are shit.

You joined a whole group dedicated to your bias.

I don't present my views as the absolute truth.

But you do. You have decided what does and doesn't apply to you and your group. Ie, ugly men who can get gf's are obviously rich, despite many couples to the contrary, if you're handsome, you're a chad, doesn't matter if you're genuinely a good person or not, all handsome men want is sex apparently.

Basically, you joined a group which will give you an excuse to hate women and their free will.

You have decided what does and doesn't apply to you and your group.

That's what's called "having my own opinion", this is not an objective truth.

Ie, ugly men who can get gf's are obviously rich, despite many couples to the contrary, if you're handsome, you're a chad, doesn't matter if you're genuinely a good person or not, all handsome men want is sex apparently.

Strawmanning and reaching so hard, and yet failing. Will you ever learn how discuss like a proper adult, even if you dislike the person you're talking to?

Basically, you joined a group which will give you an excuse to hate women and their free will.

And another strawman. Keep reaching.

Then explain what the point of a men's only once group is that hates women and their opinions?

that hates women and their opinions?

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citation: incel forums

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https://incels.me

https://incels.net

incels of Reddit.

Basically anything incels I click on, there's men calling women cum dumpsters, whores, sluts, second class citizens, etc

You seriously can't say you guys are kind to women.

you guys

You're still projecting that shit onto a user who doesn't do that.

It's general term, sorry if I have to speak like I'm talking to a 3 year old since you take everything literally. You guys=incels in general. Let's just pretend we're speaking normal English and that we're discussing general, average groups of people and not ourselves specifically. We good now?

Nope, considering you're giving kettenrad shit for something he isn't responsible for.

Keep your condescending bullshit to yourself.

Well, it's like a bunch of people joining the KKK and trying to say they're not racist.

This is pretty much just godwins law just without the nazis.

You're still projecting shit others do onto a user who goes against the grain and vocally disagrees with the hateful shit. One more and we're in the black.

Please provide sources about an incel group thay doesn't advocate hating women?

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they literally say they're not a replacement for incels. Meaning=they aren't affiliated aside from sharing the name.

....but apparently sharing the name here means hating women.

Keep moving that goalpost.

You're the ones who only take things literally.

You mind doing something other than dancing around the point?

Answer the questions. What's the point of an incel group except to whine about women having free choice while calling then second class citizens?

To vent the frustration of feeling costantly rejected and the hopelessness of not having experienced love or even just being treated like a human.

Your bias is showing.

but you guys seem to love each other. Also, you still blame women for that while refusing to admit you may be a jerk to women if you're calling them whores, sluts and second class citizens. Also, I'm calling your bullshit like I would with any other human. So...

you guys seem to love each other

Considering you're shitting on a reasonable user for shit others do

Also, you still blame women for that

Who the fuck are you to tell me what I do, again?

Really? Cuz I told a solid joke on here (unrelated to incels, very funny, got 7 upvotes, etc.) and as soon as people discovered I was a lady the replies suddenly got hostile and all the down-voting started. Doesn't take a genuis...lol

..and I'm supposed to give a shit because?

You're still a presumptious and generalizing dickwad.

Sorry, your whole group loves to generalise about women. I thought that's how y'all rolled. lol

your group

You're still projecting shit other do onto me. Read the flair.

And third time condescending bullshit. You're a cunt :)

And you're a loser virgin. What's your point?

Still refusing to read the flair. Not an incel, or a virgin you dipshit :)

If you want to insult me, say something that applies.

And you're a moron who has to resort to name calling. I'm still wondering what makes incels not women-haters of all I see is women-hating?

all you choose to see is women-hating*

Considering you're ignoring users like shadowcat, das-kettenrad and others.

I'm tired of you being a condescending dickhead who echoes the same shit over and over while ignoring what I and kettenrad say, so it's fair game imo.

they said they're not affiliated with incels. They're just lurkers.

As am I. You still shit on them all the same.

But I'm asking about incels. You said you're not affiliated with them. Why are you offended that I'm asking about incels then?

You're assuming that I'm offended. You're shitting on a user who does none of the things you mentioned because of what “incels“ do, and that shit doesn't fly.

Nope. Why are you offended if all I can find is bad shit about incels?

Still ignoring the counterpoints. You're being deliberately obtuse.

Fuck off to whatever board you came from.

Ok, clearly you can't answer my questions so you resort to lashing out out of frustration . This may be why you're single.

Not single, and I answered your question. You're biased.

Then why are you on an incel forum? You have less right to be here than I do lmao

Nope. Used to identify with the term incel as the subs sidebar defines it, then I got out.

Fuck off.

Then why are you offended when I discuss incels?

Also, I don't control google. I can't find any positive incels groups. How does that make me bias?

You're refusing to look at counterexamples like Hal-inceldenza, shadowcat, destiny-draws, instead you keep spouting generalization after generalization.

Those are exceptions to the norm for incels though. I have yet to see an incel forum that does

Because you are being obtuse, you are arguing in bad faith and when you're receiving the treatment you expect, you cry foul.

Someone would have been kicked out of debate club... (hint* it's you).

If you're unable to introduce fine detail into your discussion then you're no better than incels who actually hate and generalize women. I am able to do that, I don't hate women but if I did, I wouldn't be able to hate all women.

There are people like me as well but they usually lurk. They're not strictly blackpilled, despite what /u/neomancr might think. I don't think I am.

Now what?

I'm aware that bot everyone is black pilled. I've gone over that. If everyone here was just a bunch of black pilled I wouldn't be here.

Why do you disrespect people, who are not inherently hateful, who try to positively communicate with you by ranting, rambling and just being dismissive of people with different life experiences?

I'm not.

If you're not black pilled I don't have any issue with you at all, but I don't like seeing the effect the black pill has on others so it's helpful to keep it exposes for what it really is.

I've seen the impact of its tactics on people and its horrible. It also targets people like me and if it had gotten to me at a time when I was down and vulnerable it's horrifying to think of how it would have sabotaged me.

You may not wanna see it but the black pill is against everyone but high status white men.

You can't even pretend like it isn't misogynistic and you can't even pretend like it isn't racist as shit.

And you may not be aware that the manosphere is a political shill group but it is.

If you're not black pilled I don't have any issue with you at all, but I don't like seeing the effect the black pill has on others so it's helpful to keep it exposed for what it really is.

Have you considered that you don't have enough coherency or thought put into your arguments? Otherwise, you might've been perceived much better. Your arguments jump back, forward and to the side and your thought is very difficult to follow.

I've seen the impact of its tactics on people and its horrible. It also targets people like me and if it had gotten to me at a time when I was down and vulnerable it's horrifying to think of how it would have sabotaged me.

There is no "black pill" as serious ideology. A lot of us just vent and use chan shock humour. Some of the people like me are hateful but there are male feminists who rape women. Does this mean every male feminist is a rapist?

You may not wanna see it but the black pill is against everyone but high status white men.

I don't. We here are rich, poor and in between, wailing and whimpering as losers we are about how we hate our lives. That's what I see. I guess that makes me delusional, right?

You can't even pretend like it isn't misogynistic and you can't even pretend like it isn't racist as shit.

Some of the people like me are misogynists and racists, so?

And you may not be aware that the manosphere is a political shill group but it is. It's just the mirror twin of the feminazis

What exactly is the objective of this hypothetical group?

If you're not black pilled I don't have any issue with you at all, but I don't like seeing the effect the black pill has on others so it's helpful to keep it exposed for what it really is.

Have you considered that you don't have enough coherency or thought put into your arguments? Otherwise, you might've been perceived much better. Your arguments jump back, forward and to the side and your thought is very difficult to follow.

No they don't. You might think so because I really just want post the same shit over and over again to get the information some badly needed exposure.

I've seen the impact of its tactics on people and its horrible. It also targets people like me and if it had gotten to me at a time when I was down and vulnerable it's horrifying to think of how it would have sabotaged me.

There is no "black pill" as serious ideology. A lot of us just vent and use chan shock humour. Some of the people like me are hateful but there are male feminists who rape women. Does this mean every male feminist is a rapist?

Yea you have no clue.

You may not wanna see it but the black pill is against everyone but high status white men.

I don't. We here are rich, poor and in between, wailing and whimpering as losers we are about how we hate our lives. That's what I see. I guess that makes me delusional, right?

You can't even pretend like it isn't misogynistic and you can't even pretend like it isn't racist as shit.

Some of the people like me are misogynists and racists, so?

And you may not be aware that the manosphere is a political shill group but it is. It's just the mirror twin of the feminazis

What exactly is the objective of this hypothetical group?

It's anti civil rights and wants to rig things toward rich white males

It's like joining the KKK and trying to tell people you just like burning things in people's front yards.

KKK originally emerged as an organization of disgruntled Confederacy officers who were disappointed with Reconstruction or are you one of the dum-dums who think that the Civil War was about exclusively about slavery and black people?

Yes, because they literally wrote it in their declaration of war and I can read.

exclusively

Ever heard of the term "states rights"?

I'm not saying slavery wasn't the part but goddamn it, read some history books please.

Not exclusively, no. But they made it one of their primary objectives including political liberty for whites and states' rights (which conveniently covers their right to own slaves in their home states). But I guess I don't make excuses for racists like some people do...

But they made it one of their primary objectives including political liberty for whites and states' rights (which conveniently covers their right to own slaves in their home states).

Which is reprehensible but it wasn't the only issue. Therefore, to say that KKK is "absolute devil" is not only disingenuous it shows laziness in how you prepare your argumentation.

Um, no, you're just a racist.

How reductionist, okay.

Racists often don't like to admit they're racists. I get it.

Okay lady, now I'm the devil. Have a great day.

I said 'racist', not the devil. Saying you'd join the KKK for the brotherhood of it is like saying you buy pornos for the articles.

Some incels mean it, some incels troll you with it, some incels don't do it at all.

Does this mean all incels are baddies?

provide sources they arent.

That's not how it works.

well, then there is literally no proof incels literally aren't woman-haters since all they write about is hating how women can choose their sexual partners.

“I can't see it, it doesn't exist!“

almost like your issues you blame on women...

Still not an incel, stop projecting shit others do onto people.

Calm down, princess.

You haven't done the necessary groundwork to tell that.

My Google machine works so yeah...I did.

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It's kinda funny that you're using kiwifarms as a citation, considering that they are actually a coherent group, dedicated to bullying and doxxing (and normies consider that very bad...but unless it suits them) and whose lineage can be traced back to the goons of Something Awful, a forum which spawned SRS and TrollX but okay.

Also generalizations, perception bias etc. Try harder pls.

I'm just using it because it's one of the only sources I can find by incels for incels. You asked for sources, I'm giving you sources proving incels are related to abysmal bullying (And apparently doxxing now). You literally just further proved my point

All I did was write incels in Google and man, all the woman hate popped right up.

First two links for me were Urban Dictionary and IncelTears. I guess Google knows something ;)

Yeah, I found some incels forums on the first 2 pages, clicked on them (guess what? Rape advocates and calling women whores all over the place). Then it was just a bunch of articles about incels getting banned for violating site rules of against promoting violence, sexual assault, rape and general hate-speak. So...i guess it's up to you guys to provide proof incels aren't women haters.

Some of them are, of course. Does this mean all of them are rapists and woman haters?

Give me proof they're not.

That's not how it works.

Well, I can't find any otherwise. What does that tell you?

The onus of proof is on you.

Not really.

Also, if one of you gets a gf doesn't that automatically make you a Chad?

Lurk more.

it's a free country, bro.

Do you know what "lurk more" means, sister?

Does it look like a care?

Well you care enough to respond.

Time filler.

Nice 3rd humor, by the way.

thanks, I get all my dad jokes from your dad.

My dad left the family when I was in seventh grade and constantly degraded me while he was still in the family. No wonder I hate your humor.

Explains the daddy issues.

Ouch, I'm hurt. How also utterly predictable.

Just making an observation. I thought incels were all about "making observations".

I thought they were about venting their frustrations. You also know nothing about me personally to diagnose Oedipus Complex, not to mention that the term "daddy's issues" is usually applied to women, which is, I believe is called Electra Complex.

You, sir, have daddy issues.

Sure thing, Mrs Armchair Psychoanalist.

Says the virgin "woman expert". :)

Where did I say that?

Also, wouldn't that make all uncles "Chads" since they hate women and see them as second class citizens?

Also, wouldn't that make all uncles "Chads" since they hate women and see them as second class citizens?

Literally what?

all incels, sorry, not uncles. Darn autocorrect.

What a darn shame..

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[they all hate women and see them as second-class citizens]

Citation needed.

I didn't say all. I said they hate women . Please stick to subject at hand.

You said "all incels", hence I only paraphrased you.

Whatevs, bro. Answer the question.

Cuz, I mean, if women are so invested in destroying men's lives and "need a man" how come lesbians exist? I mean, it's not like lesbians are born with entirely different body with a different arousal system than straight women. The only difference is their preference for the opposite sex. I mean, if ugly lesbians can get laid (and their dating pool is even smaller than 'incels') then what does that say about incels?

Cuz, I mean, if women are so invested in destroying men's lives and "need a man" how come lesbians exist?

Strawman alert, we weren't talking about that. In our conversation on this subreddit we haven't been discussing and never did I posit the statement that "women are out to destroy men's lives". Whether memesters or not, I find these people stupid. So how about we get back to our discussion within the confines of the heteronormativity?

I'm asking a legitimate question. How come nobody wants to answer it?

Because you're attempting to derail this convo with this question with something that has no bearing or meaning in this particular discourse.

How so? How does it not directly relate to attractiveness and finding a partner?

Stop pushing the convo in the direction you find more suitable to argue in. This is a heterosexual discourse.

No-one has answered the question though. Which of you PHD-holders can explain how lesbians can get laid but incels cant.

Because the question is asked in bad faith.

I think you guys just realised you don't have an answer for me, tbh.

Questions asked in bad faith usually have bad answers. Please come back once you have enough good manners not trying to do the fucking red herring, as if we're not just socially maladjusted but mentally challenged as well.

You're the one assuming these questions are in bad faith. I'm asking a legitimate question. Please tell me why lesbians are so vastly different that "ugly lesbians" don't feel the need to start their own incel group if women are so picky?

This is a heterosexual and heteronormative discussion.

Attraction isn't able to gauged though. How come 'ugly' lesbians can get laid, have families, have healthy relationships and attract females or have one night stands without starting an incel 'movement/group/support group'?

This is a heterosexual discussion and attraction can be gauged, by the way. fMRI ftw.

How do you gauge it? In watts? Kilometres? pounds?

Brain activity, blood pressure and pupillary response.

But that isn't specifically for arousal. All those could happen during: -an asthma attack

-a panic attack

-any physical activity

-drugs

-other health issues

-etc.

And there is no way to measure the degree of arousal. It's not like my pupils go even smaller so that I go blind if I see the hottest man in the world.

Hence subjects in test like these are screened and also there always control groups. Sister, do you even science?

I do science. Please supply sources.

That's because "some" people are fucking psycho. A woman allowed Ian Watkins to molest her baby because she was attracted to him but therrs clearly something wrong in her head to do that.

Same with the people who find people like Ted Bundy attractive, some people are just crazy and find serial killers attractive.

There are also people that marry rollercoasters so your statement doesn't really make much sense, people can be attracted to anything.

You are right, but you know wwhat every one in a relationship has? good looks.

That's such a deluded way of seeing things - "good looks" are subjective, humans are peculiar creatures with different thought processes, me and my best friend are straight males and our definition of an attractive female are complete opposites - this happens between females too.

Just because you don't consider yourself "good looking" doesn't mean someone else won't - I've seen numerous people post pictures of themselves saying they are bad looking and in my opinion they're not bad looking at all but they can't accept that it is their fault for not being able to find someone special.

Cope. We know it's over we have seen it. Thousands of rejections, dirty looks, bullying, all because we are not chad.

Women EXCLUSIVELY desire chad. Anything less than CHAD is ROPE.

It's getting to a point where I genuinely can't tell whether comments like this are satirical. For your sake and sanity I really hope it is because having a mindset like that is extremely self destructive.

I'm nowhere near "Chad" standards but I'm in a relationship with a very beautiful girl. She despises muscle-bound meatheads and adores my obese autistic self.

Anyone that gives you dirty looks, bullies you, any of the other shit you say you receive does not deserve even a second thought. Why would you desire a person that treats you this way? I fully admit that there are very cruel women who bully dependent on looks - I have experienced it first hand. These people are horrible self-absorbed selfish people and you shouldn't be worried about their opinions of you.

All women do this. Incel is inferior dna that they subconsciously want eradicated. But the smarter and more cunning evil femoids realize incel and sub8 are good for tax revenue and betacucking later in life.

Women LUST for chad only. Sub8 is literal trash to women. I have seen this I live it daily.

If incel is "inferior" DNA then riddle me this:

You claim to be "ugly" enough to consider yourself incel, those genetics must have been passed from your parents? Meaning that you're most likely going to look like your dad to a certain degree.

How was your dad able to find a woman and have sex with her if he himself posseses this "incel DNA" you speak of?

This is all just a mentality forced on you by this incel cult you've resorted to joining out of bitterness.

There was no Internet 20-30 years ago to overload the roast brain with unlimited chads at their disposal. There was still hookups with chads but it wasn't as wide spread, far too much luck and work had to be put in. So you have incels still in their late teens. Truecels not these 13 year old kids who still haven't hit puberty.

We are in a scenario of too many options for women and 0 for men. Women literally choose top 20% of men and that lower 15% of it IS settling for chadlite. She will rotate through her roster of hot guys to fuck ONLY, then when she is 30 and too blown out for the newest crop of young chads she will lament there are no good men, all the while still refusing to date/hookup with incels.

Global population will be under 1 billion by 2100. Women will only breed with top 5% males. It's over.

Perhaps the internet has influenced this a bit, but it works both ways - men are desiring more attractive females due to this as well - leading to the increase in males trying to punch above their weight rather than trying to settle for someone at a similar attractiveness to themselves - usually resulting in bitterness due to being rejected.

20-30 years ago there were still televisions, I don't think anyone within any time period has ever not known that there are very attractive members of the opposite sex. It is natural for animals (both male and female) to search for the most SUITABLE mate - this doesn't always necessarily mean attractiveness/appearance.

Your last two paragraphs make no sense, Japan is the only country in the world with a declining birthrate (last time I checked anyway this could have changed) so the population definitely won't be what you claim it will be. Humans have a natural instinct to breed, there are 3.5billion women currently existing and you honestly think none of them would find you attractive?

Men don't have requirements.

CHADS do, normans dont.

On the contrary, I consider myself a "Norman" and I actually have quite specific requirements for what I find attractive in a female.

There's no shame in having a few small features that you'd like to in a person at all - everyone has their preferences. Both physical and mental.

Let me guess. No fatties and no kids. End of list

I actually prefer my women to be above-average weight. Dark hair and nice eyes also make the list. Definitely no children though I'm not dealing with that bollocks.

Above average =/= fatties. Fatties are like 1000 lbs overweight.

..well "fatties" don't really take up much of the female population so what's your point?

They are roughly 50% of the us female population

I don't think anyone within any time period has ever not known that there are very attractive members of the opposite sex. It is natural for animals (both male and female) to search for the most SUITABLE mate

Yeah, but tehy couldn't fuck the TV chad, now they have plenty of chads at their disposal.

She despises muscle-bound meatheads and adores my obese autistic self.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4

I'm in a relationship with a very beautiful girl. She despises muscle-bound meatheads and adores my obese autistic self.

Nice job trolling buddy

Deffintely not true

Thats definitely not true. I have a few friends who aren't the best looking and are well aware of it, but they can charm the pants off of most women. Being able to talk with confidence to a woman is a big thing

The best looking is the top 2%, as long as you are not in the bottom 30% you could charm women.

Not sure if those are actual statistics on this, but I'd say as long as you can talk to someone who shares some sort of mutual interests you have a chance with them. I sure alot of the guys on this sub would do much better with women with by having a bit more self confidence

LOL, attraction is 100% looks.

So how do you look? Have you done everything you can to maximize your physical appearance? Or do you expect women to not want someone they would date make the effort to be fit and take care of their appearance?

And they had super charming personalities. Do you not understand that?

Plus these guys have crazy high standards themselves for what kind of woman they want. They tend to want hot model types and nothing less, then get angry at the world when those women are just as shallow as them and also want a model type in a man.

No we don't. It's just competition is too steep, that even the lowest women can get average men. We're way below average, thus we have no options whatsoever.

Well, first step: stop treating love like a competition.

Lol, it's a competition regardless if we treat as such or not. Why would any woman choose someone who was ostracised out of life for not being attractive enough, over a handsome man who won the genetic lottery.

I'm a decently attractive woman and I don't go for "chads." A pretty boy does absolutely nothing for me because they tend to be boring. I always joke that I like my men fat, hairy, and nice because then at least we can have in depth conversations (plus the cuddling and sex is more fun.) I need to feel mentally connected to someone. Sure I've had people ask why I'm dating a particular guys because the looks are way off what people would expect of me, but I don't care because that person has my undivided attention. I'm not spending my life with someone who I can't have an intelligent, introspective conversation with. I know other women who feel the same way. Women like us are out there but you won't find them if you're just posting in foreveralone and not getting out into the world.

Same. Met my husband at a house party. He won me over with his humour. He thinks his nose is too big and he's losing his hair. Couldn't love each scar, freckle and imperfection more.

The fact that you had to list his flaws in front of the forum full of virgins kinda indirectly demeans him.

Good thing we are incels here, right?

My sympathies to your husband.

lmfao, you're just itching to be offended, aren't you? Calm your tits, doll.

My tits are fine, pumpkin, watch yours. If I'm itching to be offended then you're successfully scratching by being this ignorant.

I'm fully aware of my own imperfections: cellulite, scars, my pudgy tummy. MY HUSBAND is the one who points out his own flaws. That's why I said "he says" this about his body rather than " I say". I'm the one who tells him I don't notice nor do I care. I love his high forehead and his big nose is what made me talk to him in the first place. I love distinct noses on guys and his is super cute. And I like that we're aging together. I'm slowly getting hair in places and he's starting to lose hair in places. We literally laugh about it together because we love each other, warts and all.

I see several Incels posting about not wanting this woman or that woman. Usually because they weigh a few pounds too many, or they're a mom, or they've had previous sexual partners, etc.

Not all single moms have 3 kids lol a woman might have 1 kid and still be young and attractive with a lot of love to give. You shouldn't rule them out. Speaking as a once single mom myself with an autistic child, I know how hard dating can be. It took a while to find the right person but I still put myself out there with confidence that the right guy would get a really great woman and a great kid in his life. Now I'm engaged and were a happy family who play Fortnite together nonstop lol.

You got me. I struggle with the concept of dating a single mom. It's going to hard enough to acclimate myself to being in a relationship now throw a kid in the mix that's too much for me. It's like taking someone who doesn't even know how to drive on the street and putting them behind the wheel of a race car and saying "here now go 200 mph I'm sure nothing will go wrong".

Hey that's completely understandable. It's better to be aware that you're not ready, then to try it out for a while and decide you're not when the person is invested. I got my heart broken that way. Self awareness is a great thing to have in the dating world so it's great to have that. I'm sure you have a lot of other great things to offer someone as well. I genuinely hope you guys find self love someday, it will really help other aspects like dating.

Why do you people keep pulling this nonsense out of your ass. No one here thinks they deserve or chases after model women.

Because the only women who will only go after men who "won the genetic lottery" are those who have won it themselves as well or are incredibly shallow and don't want a good guy. That's not the majority of women, believe it or not.

They wouldn't give me a chance either way.

Never know unless you try.

Do I?

Thats how I got over my social anxiety. I backpacked through Europe and learned to make eye contact with strangers while thinking "if I embarrass myself, I will never ever see these people again". It helped me learn to socialise. Basically, you need to fail upwards like everyone else in society.

He clearly said that no woman has found HIS FACE attractive, and there you come with platitudes about how he should treat people better. Fuck off, you only come here to feel better about yourself and you know it.

Step 1: you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Step 2: women are people. Step 3: stop making excuses for your self perpetuating misery Step 4: No-one is responsible for your happiness except for you.

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Calm down lmao

Didn't mean to hurt you guys with truth bombs.

Even men gays found me handsome. Its over

Its over

Same it's over for me tbh

It becomes more obvious as the years go by. Going on three decades without a single IOI, you know it’s over.

not a single woman thinks I’m attractive

Not with that personality, teehee

To be fair, many women don’t want to date self-loathing miserable downers.

you have the cause and effect backwards.

once you get proven by others that you're a subhuman, you become miserable.

No, some of these idiots look just fine. A few are even attractive. But they would rather self hate than develop personalities.

youre one arrogant bitch, I hope your daughter is raped and beheaded and youre forced to watch that video while being mutilated

youre one arrogant bitch, I hope your daughter is raped and beheaded and youre forced to watch that video while being mutilated

Because we just choose to hate ourselves, right sweetheart?

Indulging in self-pity can be a strong drug.

lol@this unempathetic piece of dreck.

You're probs successful though, narcs feel no remorse and stop at nothing.

Narcs are extremely insecure tho.

“Narc”? Is that some new slang?

Around 40 years old or so. Denotes a narcissist.

To the normal world, a narc is someone who rats you out to the police. You might want to be more clear in your absurd memes for future.

Sweety, if you're uneducated - educated yourself. If it's a "meme" then it's understandable by a HUGE population of the Anglosphere.

Narc as a cop, by the way, is a narcotics agent, so you better learn.

Damn, I always thought you were just dumb, but you're kinda just a bitch

These people don't know what it's like to have your self-esteem shat on at a young age. It isn't something you fix quickly, I have been going to therapists for years, and everytime I make progress, just one mishap can throw be back to square 1 again.

Are you attractive?

Do you monitor your diet and eat healthy foods? Do you exercise regularly? Do you wash regularly and use skin care products? Do you have a haircut from this decade? Do you dress like a well put together adult? Have you made any effort to develop your conversational skills? Do you purposefully spend time inserting yourself into social situations and learning how to interact with people on an acceptable social level?

Genuinely curious

Most of these terms you've set are just trivial and should not even be looked upon. It is my God-given right to look and dress the way I want and still demand a cute petite qt 3.14 Lolita-built submissive GF.

Of course. My apologies. BTW I don't like working, where's the sub for people who want to lie in bed all day but still be given millions of dollars?

Obvious troll accunt. u/azavii

You aren't talking to a retard, you know.

Nope. Genuinely curious. If you think being attractive is just some innate trait Chads have and you lack, thats just lazy nonsense. You just don't see the work attractive people put in to be attractive and so assume it just comes free to them. You don't see the 12+ hours a week in the gym, the careful monitoring of the diet, the time spent learning how to be somewhat fashionable, or the time spent going out and honing thier social skills.

Being attractive takes WORK. Sitting on your butt playing video games and stuffing your face with fast food and not takign care of your skin or hair and basically making no effort isn't going to get you noticed. Nothing gets you nothing. And hey, that's your choice to make, if that's what you decide you want to do with your life, cool, good for you, I support that decision 100%, but don't bitch about the logical outcome of your choices coming to fruition.

it's your fault you're ugly!

To a degree yes, but height and bone structure can't be changed LITERALLY NO MATTER what you eat, and if you spend 5 or 50 hours a week in the gym.

Stop blaming people for things that are not their fault. It's the lowest possible blow. It's like attacking someone who's mentally challanged with accusations of laziness.

Billions of guys who are short and don't have perfect bone structure get women all the time. What are they doing that you aren't? Hmmmm

You don't need perfect bone structure, just mustn't have subhuman bone structure, which is what incels have.

Excuses excuses all day long. No one wants me, and I make no effort to be attractive, so it's obviously nothing I can do anything about, I was just block pilled. LOL

Why do you ignore what I write? I literally told you I work out regularly, have nice clothes and get a haircut once a month. Not sure what more you want.

Lying about yourself on the internet will not get results.

Alright bro, just assume everyone is lying. That really shows your intelligence.

If you want to compare stats I'll be more than happy to.

Height: 5'8 Weight: 155 lbs

Max 5 reps:

Squat: 250 lbs

Bench: 170 lbs

DL: 230 lbs

OHP: 110 lbs

Sure.

Stats: 5'5", 140 lbs.

Max lifts:

Squat: 325 lbs.

Bench: 235 lbs.

Deadlift: 405 lbs.

OHP: 135 lbs.

Just because something is very hard, perhaps to the point of being not worth it, doesn't mean it's impossible, so fuck off with your rhetoric and strawmanning. And yes I've had a girlfriend and sex.

Another question is how many of those guys are with women they're not attracted to? How many are being abused emotionally? How many are just milked for money?

Who cares? What does that have to do with you? The question is nothing. You are dodging responsibility by using weak ass whataboutism.

Height: weat boots, style your hair up, shorten the sides. Instant 2 inches of height added, and your skull is shown off a bit more.

Bone structure: If you don't have good cheekbones/jawline, grow out your beard to a stubble to conceal it and give your face shape. It'll also help cover any acne/scars. Good posture will also help with your bone structure (collarbone sticks out more, shoulders look more broad, chest out, gut in) and will make you appear more confident. With the addition of making you appear taller too.

If you're a bit on the large side then managing your diet and exercising will help you thin down/build up. This will make you appear taller with less width, and you're skeleton will pop out.

Hope this helps you out.

It's all useful advice, the thing is that it's also really obvious and we've all seen it a zillion times.

On ye olde r/incels it was written in the sidebar that there's no point in giving basic normie advice like haircut, posture, exercise and so on. I wish they also added it here.

Chads are attractive because of the bones in their face not because they eat healthy and read alot.

I agree there are a lot of aspects of appearance that require effort (exercise, skin, hair, clothing) and all incels should work on them. However there are at least some important factors (height, facial structure, body frame) that can't be changed, aside from expensive surgery.

While there may certainly be some people here who sit around eating junk and putting no effort into looking good (and I fully agree those people should be encouraged to start living healthy), it's kind of rude IMO to assume everyone here is like that. I have seen plenty of self-identifying incels say they are in shape, pay attention to their hygiene and fashion, and have friends and social lives etc.

Don't bother... He will not respond. He spouted his platitudes and proved his moral high ground already. That's all he wanted to do.

Yup, he posts to JNBT and actually believes that people aren't born attractive, they all had to "work" for it lol

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This is a good one I'll start spamming this one too in their specimen threads.

I just took this picture right now.

Only to prove to you that most of us have tried changing our physical appearance and becoming more attractive.

Your perception of us being neckbeards who sit in a basement all day is completely false.

Fake pictures on the internet aren't going to help you. Stop trying to win pointless Reddit bitchfights and use that energy improving yourself. Nothing gets you nothing

You believe that's fake? Alright, how about I take another one but with a spoon?

Alright, here we are.

Here's me holding a spoon

Here's me holding a mouthwash in a pose that you'll never see on the internet

Here's the mouthwash in the same room that I was posing in.

Why would I lie to you?

Because it's easier to lie to people then take the effort to make positive change in your life

Stop eating shit, get in shape. Being attractive takes WORK.

I have been hitting the gym regularly for almost two years now. I hit it three/four times a week, in addition to watching my nutrition. Bulking up, my diet consists of mainly oats, chicken breast, rice, eggs, canned salmon and some vegetables. I hit around 2-3K calories daily and at least 150g of protein. I'm currently bulking for a competition that I have this July.

Right now I'm 5'5", 140 lbs, around 12% bodyfat. I'm hoping to reach 155-160 lbs before May, then cut down for my meet.

While cutting, I will practice intermittent fasting, where I will have one meal in the morning and one at night, while hitting the gym during the day.

All those "Chads" you see on the street spend countless hours a week in the gym, exercising, studying up on fashion, grooming, monitoring their diet, and making, you know, actual effort. Thats how everything in this world is achieved. EFFORT. Make some

I do all of that, I'm not seeing any reward for it.

I am 5'5". Many girls have rejected me over my height, directly. Many have rejected me because I don't look very attractive (I have a large nose, small chin). Even girls who are 190 lbs have rejected me. I'm also of a minority race in an area full of white women, who have no need or want to date an ethnic man, especially one that isn't very attractive.

So what is your point? I have made the effort and still do. Lifting weights and getting a nice body doesn't necessarily make you attractive to women.

Of course he didn't answer you

You gonna bother answering Short_Incel_Throw?

Yes to all of these except having a good diet.

Stop eating shit, get in shape. Being attractive takes WORK. I know you think some people are just "born with it", but thats a lie. All those "Chads" you see on the street spend countless hours a week in the gym, exercising, studying up on fashion, grooming, monitoring thier diet, and making, you know, actual effort. Thats how everything in this world is achieved. EFFORT. Make some

Why are you pushing unrealistic male beauty standards?

According to you I'm a Chad since i workout eat good and have a good haircut but yet I've never had a gf and barely any friends just because I'm not rich

Ok, if you think you need to be rich what are you doing to make money?

Maybe he's working the kind of job 99% of men out there are; the kind of job where you don't get rich from it.

Exactly..perfect logic

Hot chicks date poor dues all the f'in time.

True...if they look good.

Defining your self worth to other based on outside appearances...

FYI women don't like men that are that shallow. You are actively making yourself less attractive by complaining how unattractive you are.

Defining your self worth to other based on outside appearances...

No, others (especially women) define my worth based on appearance.

FYI women don't like men that are that shallow.

So shallow men don't get laid?

You are actively making yourself less attractive by complaining how unattractive you are.

I only do that on the internet.

No they don't. That's an excuse you tell yourself to avoid any responsibility for your situation. Keep blaming everything outside your control for your problems. It seems to have worked out well so far, def stick with that life strat

You're such a trite little troll.

That's the problem you have when you define yourself a loser. You aren't really able to insult other people

I don't define myself a loser, idiot. Women do. I don't have any respect for female judgments of male character.

You are unable to follow the most rudimentary point because you're an utter dunce.

I don't have any respect for female judgments of male character

An incel saying that unironically. Jackpot

Huh? What the fuck does that have to do with what we were talking about?

You're all over the place like the idiot you are. Drink bleach, you brain-dead turd.

I'm still in fucking high school and I barely have time for anything but studying and even if I did somehow get a job this shitty country I'm in will give something below the minimum wage which won't make a difference

I SAID RICH

You're still pretty young I'm sure you'll have a girlfriend at one point in your life and don't need to be rich to make friends, if I would be rich I wouldn't bother making friends.

I know you don't need money to make normal friends but where I'm at all people around me are rich and no one likes nom rich people where I'm at

It's tough times :/ you'll see the end of it eventually but seriously fuck them if it's the reason the don't want to be your friends, you're better off without them.

But if I keep myself "off" them then I'll always be lonely

Hot chick date broke dudes all the time. Poor excuse. NEXT

No they don't it's known they seek money from rich guys they never choose the broke dude the broke dude wouldn't even be able to go on dates or anything or buy new clothes

Real world. Go check it out sometime. Life isn't a movie, claiming cliches from movies are real life is weak. Go outside and meet some people and learn somethings. You'd be surprised how much bullshit you'll find you believe in being wiped away.

Go take a stroll on /r/personalfinance. TONS of stories abotu people married/in relationships and are broke. Check out /r/almosthomeless. Practically every single post on there is by someone asking about them and their SO and they're almost homeless.

Re-examine you built in prejudices, find the ones that aren't doing you any good, and drop them. First step on your path. Sedona

Who says I got these ideas from movies Like i have enough time in my miserable stressed life for shitty movies No I got them from first hand experience I've directly witnessed this phenomenon a whhooole lotta times maybe these people also have broke so's but am average or rich female and some broke females would never take a broke dude especially not where I live

You’re a dumbass, gtfoh

You can't be incel in high school.

Just learn to chill out (emotional maturity, or in absence of that weed or alcohol). Then focus on doing very well in school and getting into a good college program. Lift weights, do other exercise, eat well, groom well. Repeat for years. Eventually you'll be a much higher value adult.

That's what I think to it this treatment that I've been getting for 4 years has made a permanent mark on me there was a one time when I had a little confidence but it quickly died when everyone started treating me even more like an outcast

Yeah sometimes you can just get stuck in a bad high school. Money, an embarassing experience, delayed puberty, or other silly things can leave you an outcast the whole time. High school is fickle that way. Happens to a lot of guys.

Unfortunately you're stuck there till graduation. But you get to start fresh with new people in college. If you work on your studies and your fitness and grooming, develop yourself, you'll be in a much better position for a fresh start. You're still young. It's not over for you yet.

you need to be rich to have friends?

From my experiences you need to be the same or close to the same wealth status of the person you want to be friends with I get along more with people who aren't rich but where I go and work there are only richer people than me who won't accept me no matter what

Hey mister, can I buy that horse off you?

Imagine being this delusional lol.

Stop eating shit, get in shape. Being attractive takes WORK. I know you think some people are just "born with it", but thats a lie. All those "Chads" you see on the street spend countless hours a week in the gym, exercising, studying up on fashion, grooming, monitoring thier diet, and making, you know, actual effort. Thats how everything in this world is achieved. EFFORT. Make some

Chads don't have to do that crap, no fashion, no diet, just moderate exercise to keep from getting fat (maintaining the looks you were born with). Face, height = everything.

Ok. So become a narcissist and attract women. No thanks - I'd rather devote my EFFORT to my STEM job. Looks fade slut

Bitches about not being able to get laid

Blames women for his failure at getting laid.

Posts on an incel forum he doesn't care about getting laid.

Makes sense.

Makes retarded assumptions

Deletes account

Makes sense

Volcel. Diet is everything.

Lol at this, you really think attractive dudes put in much effort? Most of the Chads I know wear shit, low effort clothing, don't wash their face, have shit diets and workout less than me. They're also 6'2 and have prominent facial bone structure, and women adore them.

You kep lying to yourself. I'm sure it will work out for you. I mean it's done wonders so far, right?

Wow, you are dense. Nothing will help, that's the whole point of the black pill. I dress in way more expensive clothing than most Chads, work out more and get my hair done more often, but my facial bone structure is inferior.

Nothing will help, that's the whole point of the black pill.

Nothing gets you nothing. Effort always wins

I dress in way more expensive clothing than most Chads, work out more and get my hair done more often

Lying about yourself on the internet does not get results.

Wow you really have no idea what you're talking about. Gotta love how you assume I'm lying, can't break your blue pill bubble of everyone being rewarded for their efforts. You keep living in your bubble bro.

Fucking 13 year olds with 0 life experience manage to get gfs. Those who got gfs at that age are the same people who can get them now, and the incels at that age are still incels now.

and the incels at that age are still incels now.

Untrue. The entire point of being a human being is to improve yourself. If you choose not to and be lazy, thats fine, but you don't get to complain about the obvious outcomes of your decisions coming to fruition.

You sound like someone who eats 10 Big Mac's a day then blames McDonalds for being fat

You want to believe the world is a meritocracy so badly, but it just isn't true. It's decided at birth. I was an incel at 13 and still am today, boys who had gfs at that age still do today.

Foods can not be "healthy." When you show me some vegetables doing jumping jacks and getting good annual checkups, then you can call them, "healthy."

Don't be obtuse, Aristotle had that one figured out already, it's a pros hen analogy.

The term "being" is used in various senses, but with reference to one central idea and one definite characteristic, and not as merely a common epithet. Thus as the term "healthy" always relates to health (either as preserving it or as producing it or as indicating it or as receptive of it), and as "medical" relates to the art of medicine (either as possessing it or as naturally adapted for it or as being a function of medicine)—and we shall find other terms used similarly to these—so "being " is used in various senses, but always with reference to one principle [πρὸς μίαν ἀρχήν]. For some things are said to "be" because they are substances; others because they are modifications of substance; others because they are a process towards substance, or destructions or privations or qualities of substance, or productive or generative of substance or of terms relating to substance, or negations of certain of these terms or of substance.

(Metaphysics 1003a-b)

Uh, what?

Unlike Aristotle, George Carlin actually existed: http://sense.net//~blaine/funstuff/carlin.html

You realize attractiveness is genetic right? I don't wash or eat healthy or diet or exercise because i know Chad doesn't do those things and is still genetically superior. I am autisitic but autistic chads still are players so thats bullshit

Same it's a sad reality

yeah but have any of them smiled at you? apparently women smiling at you is a potent substitute for sex

I mean, there's always weed, right?

waste of moolah

I'm on acid rn wtf

Yes its over for incels.

Welcome to the ugly club boyo. We have jackets.

It ove

Less than one percent of women have seen you.

Have you asked every single one of them if they find you attractive?

Women usually approach men who they find attractive randomly just cause they find him attractive.

The majority don't, but enough of them do. If you're attractive to one woman, you're attractive to many. So if you've never been approached, you live in the middle of nowhere or you're unattractive.

That's a lie, women approach men they find attractive, they just find 99% of men unattractive

If an attractive man is walking the streets. Women don't approach them, in a party maybe but not in the streets randomly.

Cope, if a man is attractive women will approach him anywhere. If she's not approaching then she doesn't think he's attractive.

Both of my girlfriends I have ever had didn't approach me. I approached them through cold approaching.

You could argue that if I was Chaddy enough they would have approached me. But most men aren't. Most men have to make the first move. It kinda sucks, I agree but most men make the first move.

You know what is actual cope? You not approaching women because you are scared (which is normal) then backwards rationalizing that decision of not approaching by believing women should approach men who they find attractive.

I do approach women, I'm just saying that the myth that women don't approach is false. Women DO approach, but only guys that they find attractive, which is about 20% of men.

This is off-topic. But where do you approach women? What's your success rate?

Asking cause I want to try other methods than cold approaches which has a really high fail rate

I go to university so I usually just sit next to people in lecture and talk to them. Works well most of the time, about 75% of people will engage in conversation. I am unattractive so I don't get dates, only friends, but if you're decently good looking it should be easy to get a few dates.

I actually go to university myself. I will try this, I am average looking but I feel like it has better success rate than cold approaches.

Thanks.

Lmao I love this sub

please don't make life about women. Find a hobby, build, create and let all the rest gravitate.

Such is the life of the subhuman.

same all my friends are tho

Women don't approach

this ^ they sit on their fat asses and wait for a guy to make 'em laugh.

only way to know what a girl thinks is to approach.

If you're Chad it's easy to figure out because women do the whole IOI thing in the extreme, but there are only so many Chads.

It's over

Have you posted to r/amiugly? They can give really good advice or at least be able to tell you if you're a loss cause or you're just being harsh on yourself

its over for you

You just don't shower enough bro

I’ll pray for you, bro

There will be someone who will think you are the sexiest funniest person they know. But if you invert this attitude that you will never be good enough- you might miss out on seeing those who do believe your good enough. So what if Cinderella doesn't like You, there's plenty of other beautiful princesses out there. Keep your head up (from an actual non fat non bitch woman who doesn't date chads)

Plus these guys have crazy high standards themselves for what kind of woman they want. They tend to want hot model types and nothing less, then get angry at the world when those women are just as shallow as them and also want a model type in a man.

They wouldn't give me a chance either way.

He clearly said that no woman has found HIS FACE attractive, and there you come with platitudes about how he should treat people better. Fuck off, you only come here to feel better about yourself and you know it.

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Men don't have requirements.

CHADS do, normans dont.

My tits are fine, pumpkin, watch yours. If I'm itching to be offended then you're successfully scratching by being this ignorant.

I don't think anyone within any time period has ever not known that there are very attractive members of the opposite sex. It is natural for animals (both male and female) to search for the most SUITABLE mate

Yeah, but tehy couldn't fuck the TV chad, now they have plenty of chads at their disposal.

True...if they look good.

M'am, you are being disruptively silly, please stop.

but is there is a societal component, wouldn't that still leave them at a steeper disadvantage since their dating pool is smaller, and they're not exactly accepted by all society either. How come ugly lesbians can get laid by women but incels have to start a support group?

Questions asked in bad faith usually have bad answers. Please come back once you have enough good manners not trying to do the fucking red herring, as if we're not just socially maladjusted but mentally challenged as well.

all incels, sorry, not uncles. Darn autocorrect.

Sir, chill.

Does it look like a care?

Ouch, I'm hurt. How also utterly predictable.

Then explain what the point of a men's only once group is that hates women and their opinions?

citation: incel forums

All I did was write incels in Google and man, all the woman hate popped right up.

How reductionist, okay.