Another brother turns to desperate measures. I bet a lot of his tormentors are the same types as cuck tears.

“Girls thought he was creepy and weird,” Milan Parodie told The Daily Beast

I.e., ugly

When Chad wears black and is quiet it's cute and mysterious

When KHV incel wears black and is quiet he's an outcast and is weird

I don’t condone the shooting. I must stress this point, and his actions were somewhat overkill (dont ban plz). But just to point out a double standard: if a woman was raped and shot and killed her rapist, society would side with the woman. If an ugly dude is bullied and psychologically tortured by normies and women, and in response does what Cruz did, society sides with the normies.

Raped vs. bullied? Hmm okay.

People kill themselves over being bullied.

Okay? I don't get how you can compare the two. A woman being raped has every right to shoot her attacker. Someone being emotionally bullied does not.

no i meant killing the rapist after the fact

That depends on the circumstances. If the woman had been raped and was in a position where rape was threatened again that's perfect self-defense. Otherwise it's imperfect self-defense. However, it applies to everyone when you have a logical reason to be threatened. Of course you'd side on the raped woman over the school shooter.

I mean the women kills the rapist solely for revenge. It’s entirely analogous, and it does happen.

thats still murder, a crime, and not self defense

Yes, but society would be okay with it.

thats really up for debate

a lot of books and movies depict a bullying victim killing their bully as a positive thing- most people generally agree though that killing women for not giving you sex is not really the same though

I think it's reasonably likely that Cruz was bullied. Kids like him are typically bullied in high school. It wasn't mere rejection.

That said, rejection is also a form of bullying. When you reject someone, you are implying that they are beneath you and undeserving of you.

people have the right to determine who they have sex with mutually

by your logic you are a bully if you refuse to allow a gay man to have sex with you or if a child says an adult cant have sex with it

doesn't really work

That's really besides the point, and I'm not going to respond because you're trying to veer the conversation elsewhere to avoid conceding the fact that rape and bullying are analogous.

they are in no way analogous

rape is a penetration of an orifice of the human body by another part of the human body or a tool- typically the mouth, anus or vagina

Bullying is a generic term that can apply to literally anything and currently is not a crime except in very extreme cases

Do you know what a fucking analogy even is, or are you being deliberately dense to avoid addressing the issue? Let me simplify things for you by giving explicit scenarios to point out the double standard.

Scenario One: Man rapes woman. The woman is traumatized by the ordeal, and seeks revenge. A month goes by. The woman breaks into the man's house with an AR15. She proceeds to shoot him in cold blood. She chops off the man's penis and testicles from his dead body to symbolize her victory over him.

Society's response: "You go girl"

Scenario Two: Teen is bullied by the entire school. Everyone makes fun of him. They gossip about him. They even beat him up. No one likes him, defends him, or stands up for him. He is always excluded from the activities. He is depressed and has to take antidepressants. On prom day, he musters up the courage to ask a girl out for prom. He even works hard to make a cake for her! She says yes, and gladly accepts the cake. Then later that day as he walks home from school, he sees the girl being driven home by Chad, and she throws the cake out of the car at him. He goes home with icing and cake crumbs all over his face and shirt. After this incident, he decides enough is enough, and shoots up the school. 18 fatalities, mostly Chads and Stacys.

[note: I am not condoning this]

Society's response: "Fuck that guy, he deserved to be bullied, what a piece of shit, I hope he burns in hell"

That is the double standard.

Bullying is a generic term that can apply to literally anything and currently is not a crime except in very extreme cases

Irrelevant. I'm more concerned about the ethics and consistency of moral standards applied rather than the law.

The woman in your scenario would definitely be charged with murder in literally every country on earth, also her target is singular and is related to the offense that she has directly experienced

1- you are definitely condoning mass murder in your description

2- the likelyhood that all 18 victims, and in the recent mass shooting 78 people where shot, only 18 died- where directly involved in attacks on the shooter that would warrant a violent response during their initial action to precipitate revenge is likely unrealistic- further more according to you the direct singular cause for the shooting is a rejection for a prom date- that is neither criminal nor particularly violent, even in your description where a piece of cake was thrown at him

There really is not a moral equivalency between embarrassment and intentional penetration- they are two very separate acts

Even that would be considered controversial. Some would sympathize, but the law would likely lock her up for premeditated murder.

The law would lock her up but society would applaud her and sign petitions to get her out of jail.

Show one example of this actually happening in real life, not in your fantasy head?

People kill themselves over getting a B in Trig. Is that therefore equivalent to bullying and rape? Does that justify students in killing their teachers for giving them a B?

There certainly are some people who kill themselves over grades (not really in the US, mostly in China or Korea, where exams are extremely competitive). That does not justify killing the teachers, since the teachers are ultimately just doing their jobs; conversely, bullying or bully-enabling is not justifiable.

In certain cases, the psychological devastation of something like this would be equivalent to rape, yes. Again, some of these exams are high-stakes and students' futures depends on their performance. "Getting a B in Trig" is a funny joke to you, in the American educational system where that happens to be irrelevant, but elsewhere it really isn't.

"Getting a B in Trig" is a funny joke to you, in the American educational system

I'm Asian you fuckwad. I'm very familiar with suicide induced by parental / school pressure, which is why I used that example. While it has a serious psychological effect and can lead to suicide, no one would be OK with the student killing his teachers or parents over it, even if they put undue stress on him to achieve.

Missing the point on purpose bud.

The point is that being physically attacked and raped is way different from being emotionally bullied. If someone phsycially attacks me or steps in my he threatening harm, I have a duty to protect myself and those around me. If you're suffering from psychological abuse, then it is your duty to seek out help not retribution.

He did seek out help from the school authorities to stop the bullying, but apparently no one fucking cared.

If you're suffering from psychological abuse, then it is your duty to seek out help not retribution

That's a matter of opinion. Personally I don't feel that anyone should ever permit themselves to be tormented, nor do they have any obligation whatsoever to their tormentor. IMO once you begin to torment another human for the pleasure of doing so, you yourself forfeit all right to civilized treatment.

It's high school dude. High school.

I know, it really makes you wonder how badly he was tormented if he managed to get to this stage by his teenage years. I was on the fence there but you're right, they definitely got what they deserved.

Wtf. No. It's high school. These kids don't know what they're doing or how any of their actions impact others. They go with the flow and keep their life simple. Shooting children will never be a justifiable alternative to facing your own problems.

Oh, no, I wasn't saying that this guy was improving his life by taking out the trash. Surely not, now he's in all sorts of legal trouble, the poor guy.

I was on the fence there but you're right, they definitely got what they deserved.

This is why this sub doesn't have a long term future.

You have very basic info on what happened and have already categorized the victims as trash.

When seeking out trash, look for the mirror closest to you.

It's a shame they couldn't learn to behave like civilized humans and treat this man with the basic respect owed to every person. This happened on valentine's day for a reason - just a single handhold from one female would have saved seventeen lives. You will still tell me that females had no obligation to sacrifice two seconds of their time to save seventeen lives. No matter - whatever disagreement we have on this obscure subreddit, the trash can't come back at this point and the world is a better place for it. Feels good, man.

just a single handhold from one female would have saved seventeen lives.

shit for brains detected.

Enjoy your misery. It's all you deserve.

Could be equally bad, or one can be worse than the other depending on the context. For instance being consistently bullied or violently bullied is infinitely worse than passing out at a party and having someone fuck you

I loathe how you normans consistently minimize just how bad bullying can get. No wonder really, you people have never dealt with the worst side of it. You pretend that most bullying limits itself to some passive-aggressive teasing.

Try and be consistently, aggressively bullied, beaten and harassed for a year. Then have the nerve to tell me that bullying isn't worse than non-consensual sex.

Norman here to chime in on what I thought of bullies. I don’t have an opinion on the rape vs bullying stuff. Both things suck ass. When I was in school, I always stood up to bullies. We had a lot of them both male and female. If I was around and you were messing with someone I would step in. I wasn’t crazy or anything I would just give bullies a taste of what they were doing. It’s weird that most of the bullies couldn’t take their own shit. Not everyone just stands by and does nothing. I don’t know what your experiences were like, but some of us normies do care.

Being Raped and Bullied isnt the same thing..

People kill themselves over being bullied. They are in the same category.

Yes, but killing or harming a bully (whos attacking you verbally of course) isnt self defense vs killing and/or harming a rapist.

I meant killing the rapist after the fact. That would be considered okay.

I understand now.

The act of raping someone is far more atrocious than bullying someone. As someone who was bullied, I’d would still choose to be bullied than raped. This is ignorant.

The act of raping someone is far more atrocious

Because you say so?

Would you rather be bullied or raped?

I would rather be raped. Please rape me femoids. PM me if you want to rape me for free.

Would you want to get raped by a Chad?

Neither. Why would anyone choose to be bullied or raped?

Obviously no one wants to be bullied or raped, but if one had to choose...and I’m sure hundreds of thousands of men and women that have been raped would also agree to have the former than than the latter. Even when compared to varying degrees of viciousness rape is far more atrocious. Just even asking the question of which is worse sheds light on your bias and inability to empathize. Still ignorant af.

and I’m sure hundreds of thousands of men and women that have been raped would also agree to have the former than than the latter

Which brings us back to my original point - despite equal outcomes, rape is treated as a serious crime, whereas bullying is treated as something of little consequence.

1.q

You didn’t answer the question, and now your starting a different argument

I did answer the question - that the answer is not one which you can use to yell "gotcha" and do your monkey dance is not my problem.

oversimplifying

Unless you can demonstrate this supposed complexity AND make a case for why it's relevant and should be considered in the way it's being considered by you, you have no case. And you can do neither.

Lol I don’t care about b

Nothing wrong with just getting a straight answer.

Dude, I'm not going to say what you want me to say. You asked for my opinion - I gave it to you. I understand you've had an easy life and that you're used to people doing what you tell them to do, but it's just not going to happen. If you can't deal with me not giving you the expected answer, go bang your head on the wall or something.

you are trying to lump rape and bullying so easily together

How easily? What criteria are you using? Can you demonstrate them? No, you can't. And neither can you make a case for why such criteria should be used anyway. As such, you have no case - your whole point of view is based on emotions, and what those emotions boil down to is not pretty - it just means you're a very, very evil person.

You didn’t answer the question, I never asked for your opinion. I asked if you would rather be raped or bullied. You have no idea the kind of life I lead and what I had to go through to get where I am. I just don’t use my past as a tool to argue, since it’s based on emotions and bias. You can’t even hold yourself to that standard. Also your entire last paragraph can written as a response to you. You deluded hypocrite. It’s pathetic when you resort to these tactics to disguise your shallowness. This ain’t worth anyone’s time. Lol

I never asked for your opinion. I asked if you would rather be raped or bullied

lol

You have no idea the kind of life I lead

Yes I do. You IT hiveminders are all the same and all share the common trait of having very easy lives with no experience of ever facing any actual struggle, which creates your characteristic disdain for people who actually face hardship and certain habits that literally all of you share.

No, I may not know the specifics of when your family dog died or what your grandpa liked to have for breakfast. But the important parts are easy to find out - you're not nearly as unique as you think you are. Mommy lied when she said you were special.

You can’t even hold yourself to that standard.

What standard do you think I'm failing to hold myself to? There's one of your hivemind here who already misread my message and I imagine so did you. Tell me what standard you're talking about and demonstrate once again how you people totally lack any individuality.

It’s pathetic when you resort to these tactics to disguise your shallowness.

You're throwing a tantrum just because someone said you've had an easy life, when that is true. Sorry, you just don't get to talk about anyone being pathetic.

This whole conversation is lol. No ones throwing a tantrum except maybe you. At this point it’s entertainment. Thank you for making my Thursday brighter.

Please, tell me in some more detail how your jimmies are totally not rustled.

Lol

Do you understand that there are different levels of bullying and for how long can it go on? There is major difference between a few months of verbal abuse and years of beatings, stuff being broken and social isolation.

Do you understand that there is also varying degrees of rape and for how long it can go on? It can go on for years, ranging from psychological abuse to physical. It happens to men and women. While bullying happens more often, it is noticeably different than rape when matched up to the same degree of harm done.

Gotta love how my comment was downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Fuck off, normie, this is why we hate you.

Completely agree. People need to sit down and think. Why are these loner guys doing this.

Normies need to STFU about gun laws. STFU about mental illness. STFU everything else. Legit sit down and FUCKING think why incels go mad

1) Bullying and rape are not the same. I understand that the consequences of bullying can be life threatening in some cases -- so can those of rape, which remains a greater violation in and of itself. They're not the same.

2) As far as I can tell (based on how these shootings usually go), he wasn't targeting specific abusers (i.e. he wasn't "killing his rapist"). He was killing at random. It would be like if the raped woman in your example shot up a room full of boys, not her rapist, out of generalized hate. No one would side with her.

Stop trying to equivocate. A piece of shit, who subscribed to your ideology, murdered a bunch of children.

which remains a greater violation in and of itself

Why? Asserting something doesn't make it true.

He was killing at random.

When kids are bullied, the bystanders are tacitly guilty as well. The others laugh. They smirk. They exclude. They implicitly side with the bully.

He perhaps felt that the entire school was against him. Many victims of bullying feel this way. Certainly I have.

A piece of shit, who subscribed to your ideology, murdered a bunch of children

Being a lonely, bullied and isolated virgin is not an ideology, it is a state of being.

Why is being raped worse than being bullied? Greater physical risk, a higher proportion of its victims have lasting trauma, more intense forms of trauma, etc. I'm not saying bullying can't be incredibly severe, but rape is worse on any possible measure I can think of. I think you know this, you're just insisting on being obtuse.

Bystanders are not guilty of anything requiring execution. No one would support a woman going around killing everyone she thought was too idle about her rape.

Being a lonely, bullied, and isolated virgin is not an ideology, no. But believing that it can't get better, that all women act a certain way and that you're doomed, and that people are evil who deserve to be murdered, most certainly is. We know he saluted ER in his comments. He was a blackpill zealot.

Greater physical risk

Bullying involves being beaten up. Moreover, rape per se doesn't cause particularly severe injuries. Aggravated rape may, but I am assuming in this discussion that rape is just "basic" rape (i.e., forced sex, nothing else).

a higher proportion of its victims have lasting trauma, more intense forms of trauma

Let me repeat: bullying causes people to commit suicide. As far as psychological trauma goes, that is as bad as it gets. Sufficiently bad bullying can easily induce depression and social anxiety, and all of the evidence points to this. I have dozens of scars on my left arm from cutting during middle school. It is the worst. And it takes forever to end. Rape ends when he cums. Bullying goes on for years.

I don't know how the exact statistics here, but it's rather undeniable that in terms of psychological trauma, they are within the same ballpark.

If anything, rape causes less psychological trauma. Much of the "rape" nowadays is sex while drunk which the woman subsequently regrets. To compare that to bullying is an insult to victims of bullying.

I think you know this, you're just insisting on being obtuse

But I don't know this. Society decreed by whim that rape is a uniquely evil crime. That is why everyone thinks this. But it doesn't make it true.

The physical risk is far greater. "Basic rape" can cause internal bruising, bleeding, the transmission of diseases, unwanted pregnancy, etc.

Rape also causes people to commit suicide. Everything you say about bullying is true, but it's also true of rape, and rape remains the more severe crime: physically, for the reasons I've explained, and psychologically, they are not within the same ballpark: while bullying's psychological consequences can be the same as those of rape, the vast majority of bullying cases lead to no significant trauma. Proportionally speaking, incidents of rape are so, so much more likely to carry those kinds of severe lasting effects.

So again, no, a kid killing a bunch of people peripheral to his bullying it's not comparable to a woman killing her rapist.

The physical risk is far greater. "Basic rape" can cause internal bruising, bleeding, the transmission of diseases, unwanted pregnancy, etc.

the vast majority of bullying cases lead to no significant trauma

Nor do the vast majority of rapes, what's your point? Also, see this. Your claims are predicated on a priori assumptions you're making and simply not backed up by fact.

Proportionally speaking, incidents of rape are so, so much more likely to carry those kinds of severe lasting effects.

For one, you have not provided any evidence for this claim.

Second even if I grant your point, okay, then we can ask: if a particular case of bullying does lead to those "severe lasting effects"---and in this case it likely did---then are they comparable?

a kid killing a bunch of people peripheral

How do you know they were peripheral? Peripheral people are guilty as well. To repeat: bullying bystanders---the ones that tacitly side with the bully without explicitly bullying themselves---are just as bad as the bullies, and hence deserve no sympathy. Do they deserve to die? Interesting ethical question. Does a rapist deserve to die?

Or, if a woman is raped at a frat party, and several guys watch and encourage her rape, and she kills them as well, how do you think society would respond? "You go girl"

Again, citing how bad bullying can be is not a rebuttal. I've conceded that. My claim is that rape is also that bad, and more frequently, and with unique physical risks.

As for my providing evidence... you're right, I haven't. But to be perfectly frank, if you honestly aren't aware of how frequent, and how severe, rape-based trauma is, I'm not going to try to convince you. That's a fair bit of work I'm not prepared to devote to this conversation. As far as I'm concerned, it's common knowledge and easily learned via google. But I'll understand if you want to take that as a win.

So instead let's focus on the purported culpability of the murder victims. When I said they were peripheral to the bullying, I was being generous to your view. We don't even know what they were even peripheral. More likely they were fired at randomly, guilty of simply inhabiting the space where he was bullied. Again, zero comparability whatsoever to being rapists or accomplices to rape. It would be more like your vengeful woman shot a bunch of frat boys, because a frat boy raped her.

As for my providing evidence... you're right, I haven't. But to be perfectly frank, if you honestly aren't aware of how frequent, and how severe, rape-based trauma is, I'm not going to try to convince you. That's a fair bit of work I'm not prepared to devote to this conversation. As far as I'm concerned, it's common knowledge and easily learned via google. But I'll understand if you want to take that as a win.

I'll gladly take the win. I'll take it for Cruz.

We don't know what they were even peripheral.

If he killed entirely non-peripheral people, I will grant that was wrong. My experience is that very few people are genuinely non-peripheral. Ultimately, we will have to see as more information comes in.

You must have an extraordinarily unforgiving system of morals to be so confident that a random set of kids in a high school where bullying occurred deserved to die. Except of course, when it comes to the murderer. He gets every benefit of the doubt?

No one else is giving the murderer the benefit of the doubt, and no one else is not giving his victims the benefit of the doubt. It's only fitting for me to play devil's advocate.

You don't get benefit of the doubt when you've just killed a bunch of innocent kids. Your moral compass seems to be way off buddy. The victims get the benefit of the doubt because they haven't as of yet committed any actions like murdering people to say otherwise.

Nor do the vast majority of rapes, what's your point?

You're kidding right? Bully exists on an enormous spectrum from being teased to being tortured. Being tortured is a rarity at the tail end of the spectrum. Rape is rape, there is no spectrum, it's unwanted penetration. This is why one is a crime and the other isn't

Second even if I grant your point, okay, then we can ask: if a particular case of bullying does lead to those "severe lasting effects"---and in this case it likely did---then are they comparable?

If he killed his bully then sure, but not if he goes on a massive rampage, slaughtering innocent people. The woman would also be condemned in this case as well

How do you know they were peripheral? Peripheral people are guilty as well. To repeat: bullying bystanders---the ones that tacitly side with the bully without explicitly bullying themselves---are just as bad as the bullies, and hence deserve no sympathy. Bullies cannot exist without enablers. The bystanders are oxygen to the fire that is bullying.

That's extremely shortsighted. Bystanders are not guilty for the actions of those enacting the bullying. There may be a moral obligation to help, but mob mentality is a thing. Also how do you know that no one stepped in? No one can be a constant bystander either, he may have been targeted when he was alone.

Or, if a woman is raped at a frat party, and several guys watch and encourage her rape, and she kills them as well, how do you think society would respond? "You go girl"

Well in many cases, rape can be seen as the victim perceiving an imminent threat to their life and well being. If she killed them after the fact, she would still be charged with murder regardless. I doubt that anyone functioning member of society would deem murder as a justifiable action for rape.

Why? Asserting something doesn't make it true.

The only way to compare is to speak to people who have experienced both. People who have been both raped and bullied generally consider the rape worse.

When kids are bullied, the bystanders are tacitly guilty as well. The others laugh. They smirk. They exclude. They implicitly side with the bully.

Bystander apathy is very different from being the abuser. This is like if a raped woman went and killed a bunch of random onlookers who knew the rapist was a sketchy guy but didn't take preventative action or didn't scold him afterwards. If she went and killed these bystanders, NOBODY would side with her.

People who have been both raped and bullied generally consider the rape worse.

How do you know? Did you ask?

If she went and killed these bystanders, NOBODY would side with her.

It depends. Were they onlookers, or encouragers? In the latter case, everyone would side with her.

How do you know? Did you ask?

Actually yes. How do you know otherwise? Do you guess?

It depends. Were they onlookers, or encouragers? In the latter case, everyone would side with her.

They would side with her for outing them on social media. They wouldn't side with her for killing them. Sympathy has its limits.

Actually yes. How do you know otherwise? Do you guess?

Who did you ask, and in what capacity were they bullied?

I know because I have dozens of scars on my left arm from a decade of cruel bullying.

They wouldn't side with her for killing them. Sympathy has its limits.

I disagree. Take stories like this to get an idea of just how sympathetic society is to women. Notice the picture of the hot dog. It's just a joke when women make men suffer.

There is no limit to sympathy for females.

I disagree. Take posts like this to get an idea of just how sympathetic society is to women. Notice the picture of the hot dog. It's just a joke when women make men suffer.

There are always extremist views, some sympathizers for anyone who is wronged. If you cherry pick the worst cases, you can make ridiculous arguments. Women can make the counterargument " look how sympathetic society is to mass murdering bullied men because incels sympathizes with ER!! There is no limit to sympathy for men." Except it's BS because they're just cherrypicking a rare case. Most of society does not feel that way. And you're doing the same thing back. Only a minority of women condone disproportionately barbaric revenge against men, just like only a minority of men (incels) condone disproportionately barbaric revenge against women/normies.

However, that is not the mainstream majority. The mainstream is sympathetic to raped women... to a point. If they want to call out their attacker with a Twitter hashtag, fine. If they want to kill their attacker, many might sympathize but she's still going to jail. If they want to kill complicit bystanders, the majority opinion will be against her and she has a long fucking jail sentence ahead.

They're not the same.

They are the same with regard to their consequences. Both are frequent causes of PTSD and other mental health issues. Your argument is based entirely on an emotional criterion - that of moral reprehensibility. And actually, if we tried to assign some kind of objective index to reprehensibility, bullying would come out being worse than rape, because it is protracted and thus causes much more anguish and suffering than rape.

Your comment reveals merely that you're a bigot and that you value your own twisted morality over the well-being of innocent people. You're a monster.

Later on in this discussion I explain why rape is more severe than bullying. Feel free to read it.

Yes, and it's an explanation that relies entirely on your subjective system of morals, which is why I called you a monster.

which is why I called you a monster.

Which isn't a normative or subjective judgement at all, of course. Well done.

At first I was kinda taken aback by this reply, because I wasn't criticizing you for making subjective judgements.

Then I remembered you're part of the IT crowd and probably not intelligent enough to even understand what you're being criticized for.

I don't read IT and I've never posted there.

Lol, totally missed the point as usual. Doesn't it shake your confidence to know you're one of the least capable people on this sub?

I'm sorry, I know it's your favourite crutch and your schtick, but saying "lol you're stupid!" doesn't successfully distract from how anemic your points are.

Overall people act oversensitive to bullying because they're virtue signaling. But when it really comes down to it, when kids are really bullied, its shit like "keep flicking him in the head because its funnies the more mad he gets", I can understand that being as emotionally damaging to a high school kid as a rape could be. And to top it all off imagine if the societal attitiude to a rape victim acting out was "ban anyone that defends their actions". Society is completely fucked and toxic over what they pat themselves on the back for and shunning, and basically do what they themselves called "victim blaming" for deflecting and never fuckin ever look into what drives these kids to have their young mind innocently driven to do this kind of thing. I admit its a bit extreme and you should never do it, but the double standard in which this type of person is already hated after they are driven due to relentless bullying, and with "pat ourselves on the back anti-bullying campaigns", while other types of victims are worshipped...yeah, you can ban it and shut it up, blame it on guns, continue to feel good about yourself and your virtues, but some male kids really get the raw end of the stick that is just as bad as the victim worship you give to adult women because they couldnt resist Matt Lauer's advances, and it isn't fair, which OK life isn't fair, but youre NEVER going to solve a problem that you are too scared to address, and just have the attitude that if you ban people from whatever for bringing it up, your virtues will remain signaled. Im not even an incel but the decline of our society from the moral high horse lefty "progression" makes me SICK

No sympathy for him, Ruining other's lives, because his was miserable, selfish fuck.

He think he's a good person who just made a mistake.

Pretty big mistake

I guess that depends on your perspective.

17 people are dead because he was bullied, there isn't much perspective to that. I mean, bullying is bad, but the contrast is pretty big between the two.

Yes there is. For example, it depends on a few factors. Were the 17 people bullies, or were they entirely innocent?

We still need some more information here.

Even if they were the bullies, they didn't deserved to be gunned down like animals

Debatable. Do rapists deserve the death penalty? Also debatable.

I side with chemical castration on that part. I don't support death penalty at all, not because I pity a murederer or rapist, fuck them, but even the slight chance of making a mistake and killing an innocent man, makes it too risky in my opinion.

And I support chopping off the hands of someone who physically abuses someone else.

But everyone who is bullied deserves to be treated like an animal and for nothing to be done about it.

I know the area. Doesn't surprise me at all. Nothing but a bunch of rich entitled cunts.

meanwhile if he was chad "whoa thats so cool, he's into goth and emo stuff!"

Femoids from his school won't lose one second of sleep and will go on to lead happy lives, even though they contributed to his damaged mental state.

Holy shit it's only a matter of time before the incel uprising

Uprising requires organization which requires two things 1. Effort 2. Group cohesion

So not gonna happen.

Wouldn’t one need to leave mother’s basement in order to uprise?

Possibly. I'm still working on that

The saddest part is that you believe that

More shit happens every year because of bullying. Keep turning a blind eye and you might just end up dead by pushing someone a little too far

Good thing I don't push anyone

Every day you post here and try to bully us . Keep believing in your self righteous delusions 👍

No

Yes

No

"how tired he was of everyone picking on him and the staff doing nothing about it."

figures

So true.

Normies are the lowest life forms on earth

Normies don't even care that a shooting happened, they're just happy it wasn't them or anyone they know. Normies are sociopathic bullies who don't even bat an eye at the idea of ostracizing their peers from all social interactions if they're unattractive.

Of course we care you lunatic.

Not seeing very much caring at all going on.

You care just enough to say you do on some random Internet forum lol yet you patrol this sub and bully incels daily

I don't bully anyone.

Normies don't even care that a shooting happened,

That's funny. People jumping for joy claiming others don't care.

Nobody here is "jumping for joy" that 17 kids got killed. Relax.

You need to learn how to read.

Some of it is probably being deleted as this sub doesn't have much of a future when a portion of its users celebrate the mass murder of teenagers.

What am I not reading? Nobody is celebrating this guy, and the pinned thread says if you glorify this event you get instantly banned.

I'll say it again. Relax.

If things are being deleted then can't physically reading them you stupid idiot.

You have shit for brains. You come here to argue with people because you feel you have the higher moral ground when you’re really just an angry, angsty, female version of what you’re rallying against.

Shit for brains.

Hey shit for brains! You’re nothing but a piece of shit. You come here to argue with people because you feel like you have the moral high ground when in reality you’re nothing but an angry and angsty female version of them. You hate them so much you’re deeply in love with them and let it occupy all your time.

And nobody likes you.

Fucking hilarious username.

Speaking of shit for brains, a mere glance at my post history would've told you braincels doesn't occupy all my time.

Speaking of occupying time, you felt the need to create a new account dedicated to me.

Now THAT is a sad existence.

Keep doing it though.

Sounds exactly like what a fat girl would say.

And that sounds exactly like what a basement dwelling virgin with no life or social skills would say.

Keep reaching for those stars!

I’ll reach for those stars and you reach for those cookies.

Look at this fat bitch with shit for brains!

The only time you jump for joy is when there’s cake.

everyone is just going to completely ignore the bullying angle here

Yeah, it really horrifies me how in the past decade or so the priorities seemed to have switched so much. It's not "how can we prevent bullying?" now. It's "how can we force men to take the bullying without retaliating?"

My fellow brethren. Im proud. Perfect Valentine gift

If only people would have fucking reached out to him this maybe could have been prevented...still a horrible act.

A girl holding his hand would have saved the lives of 17 people.

So true and sad if you think about it, how evil females are.

All because he wasn't Chad

Y'all are fucked

he's right though, it's not that simple obviously but if anyone had reached out to this kid in a legitimate way earlier in his life (girl or otherwise) this might not have happened. You don't just wake up one day and decide to do what he did, this was the culmination of years and years of being ostracized, ignored, bullied, etc.

These guys are off the chain.

There is a difference between "cause" and "fault."

Don't try to shift this onto women. The only person to blame for the murder of children is the murderer.

For one, teenagers are not children. The shooter was scarcely older than the victims.

Second, your point is correct but it implies that that the bullies who contributed to loneliness and exclusion are not guilty of anything. That is false. They are entirely guilty.

As an analogy, if a serial killer is abused as a child, then his abusers aren't guilty of murder per se, but there is a certain level of responsibility they bear, and bringing that up is necessary if we care about the facts.

If you think teens in high school are emotionally mature adults, I think you might be quite young yourself. In my mind, and my experience, high schoolers are kids. Feel free to disagree, I don't care about semantics.

The bullies who contributed to loneliness and exclusion are guilty of bullying, not murder. That's relevant only insofar as it helps us understand the killer's motive, but not to share blame for the murder, which is what you seemed to be insinuating.

Again, the difference between cause and fault is critical here, because some unscrupulous, shit-brained zealots might deliberately conflate those to deflect blame from the rancid puke of a killer, and onto women, because they prefer to blame women.

Each man has a breaking point. If you deliberately and consistently push him beyond that point for fun, well, come on, you're responsible for whatever happens next. I know that in your little mind the incel is always to blame but come on lol, don't be ridiculous.

What a hideous sentiment. You're so eager to absolve a murderer of the responsibility for his own actions.

What was the nature of his bullying? Who did what to him? Suppose the "final straw" was a girl saying no when he asked her out. Would she be responsible for his murders? Could that have been "his breaking point?"

I was bullied, too. Countless people are. It's extremely common. Most of us know not to fucking shoot people.

I know that in your little mind society is always to blame, but come on, don't be ridiculous.

My god. I'm speechless.

You seem to be quite capable of verbalizing your faux-shock

Yes, I used a figure of speech. Good observation. I guess that makes you right about murder being a-okay because chadstacey.

You're speechless?

Good maybe now you can shut the fuck up with your faux moral outrage. No one here is buying it.

There you go, blaming society again. Your whole worldview is predicated on failure to take responsibility for your actions. It's sad.

So not allowing victims to get revenge is promoting responsibility. How?

How is anybody not "allowing" you to get revenge? They're only capable of punishing you after the fact. If you fear that, too, then you're not serious about getting even.

School officials aren't precogs from Minority Report. They can't prevent you from doing anything, they can only apply the rules after it's happened.

Okay. Fair point. How about if someone uses force against a bully, they don't get punished? That seems fair.

Punching somebody at a school comes with a penalty. Be willing to pay it if you're serious about it. Categorizing somebody as a "bully" is awfully subjective. Punching them is concrete.

That is the case but I am arguing against it. I think that force is an appropriate response to bullying.

Then be ready to suffer the consequences of using force. Pretty simple.

So you haven't actually said why using force is irresponsible.

I haven't said a word about what makes it responsible, I've just outlined the idea that using force is always an option, and that there are consequences to that action. Nobody's stopping you from hitting anybody. Right now, look to your left. You could hit that person. You'll also probably get charged with assault.

So what's your solution for kids out there that are being bullied or adults struggling to come to terms with it? Let's hear some pearls of your wisdom.

If you think violence is your only recourse, punch them. Then, be prepared to live with the consequences. I feel like I've said this before...

You can't be getting bullied so badly that it's affecting you this way AND be too scared to get into trouble with the teachers. It's either a serious issue, or it's not. Fight back, or shut up.

Fair enough.

I was bullied, too.

Comparing lifelong bullying to the one-off bullying you had?

Most of us know not to fucking shoot people.

"I was a slave too, most of us know not to kill our masters!"

Showcasing your inability to make valid analogies is not persuasive.

It's absolutely a valid comparison. Sorry to tell you this, but nobody is obliged not to harm you when you decide you can harm them. If we lived in a society where law enforcement wouldn't come to your aid like the don't for male victims in schools, and I kept coming around to your house and harassing you while beating up your wife, what exactly are you going to do to me? Beat me up back for the rest of the decade?

Tie me up and throw me in your communal basement? ( AKA Kidnapping )? Are you going to feed me on your expense? Or will you resort to Muuuuuuuurrrrrdeeer?

If someone shoves you, shove back. If someone tries to kill you, kill them first. But if someone shoves you and calls you names, don't murder them and anyone else who happens to be standing nearby.

Great, so according to you, if next day society collapses and we're neighbors in some remote village, You have to beat me and harass me back for the rest of your life if I keep harassing you and beating up your wife. Congratulations, nobody else except you thinks that way.

People are allowed to have tasers and knives and guns for self-defense for a reason. Nobody has ever consented to your outlandish, sadistic "game rules" of putting each other's muscle mass in competition to see how can better shove who for years on end. They can be burned at the stake, not just murdered.

The only issue is "anyone else who happens to be standing by" - I guess only the shooter could tell us exactly who he might lower his gun for and which of his former classmates he recognized. Not as if there is such a great variance of personalities in these highschools though. If they target the Special Needs class, that would be a different story.

That's quite the strawman.

You aren't allowed to murder people who are mean to you.

No it is not, it's literally what you said - "Do exactly to others what they try doing to you ( Even if you can'tt )"

You aren't allowed to murder people who are mean to you.

Well fancy that, you're not allowed, but apparently you can! People who harass or attack you and aren't dealt with by the Law, deserve to be murdered, allowed or not. It should happen in Columbia, in Nigeria, in the US and everywhere else. That you want to protect bullies is not relevant to me at all.

Sorry I'll clarify: it is not morally permissible to murder people who are mean to you.

Also, how droll of you to call something a strawman with your own strawman of "people who are mean to you". Battery and harassment is not merely being "mean" on some occasion.

Now let me clarify - It's morally permissible for me, not for you.

They partially share blame for the murder. If you break someone to such an extent, then you are at fault as well, just like if the father of a serial killer raped his son when he was a toddler, he is partially guilty for his son's crimes in addition to the act of rape.

Presumably some (or many?) of the people who bullied Cruz are still alive. They should feel guilty. I hope they feel guilty. The blood of their classmates is on their hands.

Sadly they wont. Theyll live happy lives and die with family surrounding them

They don't seem too happy now, considering their Chad/Stacy friends are fucking dead.

Most people move past death. Have you ever had someone close to you die? The feeling goes away.

And do not call him a "rancid puke". Do not dehumanize him. He was a person. He was a human being with thoughts and emotions.

I do not condone his actions, but I will not tolerate you bullying him. It is not appropriate and not ethical.

Was? He's still alive.

It's not "bullying" to condemn the culprit of a despicable, evil deed for committing a despicable, evil deed.

You called him a rancid puke. That's wrong, and I will defend him from your attacks.

He committed a terrible deed because he was suffering and in pain because of a world that despised him. He deserves to rest now.

People who do heinous, violent things deserve to be condemned. It is not wrong to do so. He deserves incarceration and punishment.

Yes, it is wrong. He was hurting and suffering, and that's why he did the "vile" thing.

Moreover, there is difference between condemning someone and dehumanizing/bullying them. He does not deserve to be called "rancid puke". He is still a person. He suffered a terrible existence through no fault of his own. And it only gets worse for him. What a cruel fate.

Of course, he needs to be incarcerated because he poses a risk to society. That does not imply that hating or dehumanizing him is acceptable.

I'm going to be praying for him tonight. And, before you ask, I'll pray for the victims to. The (genuinely) innocent ones, at least.

Most people who suffer don't murder people. He should be held accountable and judged for his actions in the harshest terms. It's also not bullying him because he's not reading this.

Based on your prayer list, you think the murderer and some of the victims deserve your prayers, but some of the victims don't? The bullies are worse than the murderer to you?

Most people who suffer don't murder people

Yes, but context is important. A suffering, ill person who's been tormented by others for his entire life committing an act of murder is morally different from a relatively healthy and normal person committing a murder (such things do happen on occasion, surprisingly).

It's also not bullying him because he's not reading this

I was bullied behind my back in middle school. It's still bullying.

Most people who suffer don't murder people. He should be held accountable and judged for his actions in the harshest terms.

Why? I think the prison system in Norway, where murderers are given fairly lenient sentences, is pretty good. It's proven to have better rehabilitation outcomes. Why, then, is harshness so good in your view? Or is it just a pure sadistic desire to want him to suffer even more?

The bullies are worse than the murderer to you?

You're trying to reason with a guy who has "Dream of a Female Shoah" as his flair.

Your heart is in the right place but this dude is beyond the pale.

Oh, I hadn't noticed that.

I kept making this mistake the other day on here too. I forget who I'm trying to reason with, or talk some sense into, so I just have to remember to step back and realize a lot of these people are just completely lost. You're usually just met with rhetoric or incessant questions, yet never answer yours. Anybody who argues that bullies are worse than a murderer is completely psychotic. Usually I try to avoid painting any group with a broad brush, but I'm beginning to firmly believe at least 99% of their incel community is truly beyond help.

They're guilty of assault, battery, torture and harassment. And before replying like an idiot, I suggest you read the definition of "torture".

I had no idea those dead kids were guilty of those things. Please share your information.

I was talking about your following sentence:

The bullies who contributed to loneliness and exclusion are guilty of bullying, not murder.

Oh, I misunderstood.

In that case I'll just say that bullying people is bad, but it's usually committed partially out of ignorance and immaturity, without the intent to do lasting harn. That certainly doesn't excuse it, and it can have dire consequences.

But if you think that means murder is a proportionate response, you have zero perspective.

Sure it's out of ignorance and immaturity, just like those who torture ( Forcing them to drink urine, painting their heads with rainbow colors after chasing them down and physically holding them ) or those who practice racism are "ignorant and immature" with "no lasting harm intended". Way to remove agency from individuals based on your assumptions.

But if you think that means murder is a proportionate response, you have zero perspective.

The appropriate response would be to allow them to exercise their "ignorance" in the form of battery and harassment in juvenile prison. Every single bully knows exactly what he can and can't get away with it. If they knew they can't get away with their fists and mouths, they wouldn't use them just like they don't use knives or steal things from someone's house.

Until then, murder might as well be the response for all I care. I don't care about proportionally and I have a lot of perspective, I just don't subscribe to your moral philosophy. Many people in many countries and many times don't subscribe to it either. "Touch me without my consent and you're dead" seems like a perfectly valid situation to me. I wouldn't begrudge any Gangster for unloading his semi-auto on me if I try to bully him.

I'm talking about social bullying and isolation that's the much more common form. You're describing assault, which is much more serious.

Frankly I'm not sure what moral system you subscribe to, that has zero tolerance of bullying and views considers it as extreme as kidnapping and torture, but permits shooting into a crowd is if you've suffered any grievance.

Social bullying is harassment and psychological torture. Isolation would not warrant any punitive action in my opinion - if you don't verbally abuse, don't talk with, don't mock, don't interact with someone - carry on. Although I do think it should be prevented with superior social programming.

that has zero tolerance of bullying and views considers it as extreme as kidnapping and torture

Worse than kidnapping, and is de-facto torture.

but permits shooting into a crowd is if you've suffered any grievance.

I wouldn't permit it. It would never escalate to that point because these types of students which create these environments are either going to be punished violently by their teachers or thrown into juvenile prison where they belong.

Frankly I'm not sure what moral system you subscribe to

The Golden Rule - "The Golden Rule (which can be considered a law of reciprocity in some religions) is the principle of treating others as one would wish to be treated". You're welcome.

The golden rule, but punishment should not be proportionate to the crime, and never consider the degree or intensity of misdeeds but rather, treat any harm as literal torture.

Like I said, you have no perspective.

Stop making strawman arguments. Not "any harm" is literal torture, prolonged physical and/or emotional harm IS, by definition. Punishment should curtail the offense and compensate the victim. Tell the offenders to cease and apologize, if they don't cease remove them from the victim's presence, and if nobody was willing to do so, the victim is justified in killing them.

Okay let's remove the semantics here and put this into a situational context:

You and I are classmates in high school. Several times a week when we pass in the halls, I insult you and laugh at you with my friends.

You tell on me, maybe I get detention or get lectured, but I don't really stop. I keep picking on you.

It's now the end of the semester. Do you have a moral right to kill me?

In that scenario, whoever had to suffer your persistent harassment with no recourse from the Law ( Which is a societal structure assigned to administer forceful actions ), would not act immorally for killing you.

I am a proponent of the Golden Rule and victim restitution, not of your ( false ) "proportionality". Someone who does not treat others as he would want to be treated, who inflicts emotional or physical harm on them without regard for their requests to stop, and who is not already dealt with by the existing power structure - has no moral value left. Anyone would be justified in doing anything to them.

That it's the end of the semester does not change the harm you inflicted. If I punch your wife and she only prosecutes after the mark heals following a few days, that does not change the battery.

Alright, that's perfectly clear, thank you. One final question: same scenario as above, but it's not just the end the semester, but the end of our final year. We'll never be in school together again so the mocking will stop due to change in circumstance. Are you still justified in killing me?

Allowing people to get away with their immorality creates the potential for further victimization and sets a bad precedent for any would-be emulators, just like letting sexual harassers or serial battery committers to leave for another country, or leave for a hut in the Brazilian jungle, without any extradition. Naturally that would also deprive victims of the emotional fulfillment in seeing justice meted out. Same sort of argument about whether or not ex-Nazis should be trialed today or not. ( Which by the way, is not proportional even when it happens, but in the reverse- They get to spend their last few years in a relatively comfortable cells while the victims of their ideology got to spent their younger years in slavery and death )

In an ideal world, these students should be removed legally before any ongoing harm is done, and if for some reason they managed to evade justice, then they should be held accountable even after school and sent to prison for harassment or battery, this time adult prison upon reaching legal age.

Now let me ask you this - Were Jews who have been beaten and spat on by Anti-Semitic neighbors ( Before official Nazis sent them to camps ) acting immorally if they later on joined a Soviet unit, then came back to their village and shot those people? Because I've heard descriptions of exactly that happening in documentaries.

So was that a yes? I'd like to be clear on that before moving on to a separate Nazi example.

Everything is clear though.

Well you didn't say whether you'd still have the moral right to shoot me on the last day of school, just what the authorities ought to do about it.

Obviously in this scenario, no one would arrest me for having mocked you all year, so I think your answer was yes, but I don't want to put words in your mouth.

I would certainly not find it immoral if I heard of someone doing it.

Thanks for clarifying.

As for your scenario, I'd find it immoral for someone who had been struck or spat at by their neighbours to return later, when no longer under threat of that abuse, to perform vengeful murders. Where vigilante justice is concerned, the principal of proportionality is still necessary.

He was expelled for fighting with his ex girlfriend's new boyfriend.

Interestingly he had had a girlfriend in the past, so maybe that's not quite as clear cut as you think.

Who left him for a better looking dude. Typical Stacy.

I guess he's not in Incel, but female cruelty still, in part, lead to his psychological problems.

She left him because he was abusive... That was very clearly stated earlier, and there was corroborating evidence as well. But she's the cruel one? Right...

Another incel pushed over the edge,not surprising anymore.

He was a incel

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is that real?

I really wanna know too

Doubt it.

What video is that from

No he was not an incel.

Victoria Olvera, a junior, told the Associated Press that Cruz was expelled last school year after getting into a fight with his ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend. The 17-year-old said that Cruz was abusive while they were together.

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The links are connecting. Normies can't deny

ER, Sodini, now Cruz

They are all losers.

His "victims" were the real losers.

Don't forget Marc Lepine

those bullies who got shot deserve it.

it's amazing more people don't realize the pattern to these mass shootings are lonely men with no relationships or validation in their lives

Watch feminist still take incel epidemic as something unworthy of attention.

"we don't owe you sex!"

They don't

true. but virgin shaming men who get shit on because they are ugly doesn't help

Ok, then we don't owe them lives ;)

They're not just men, but young men.

Normies continue to bully them after they're dead. "lul virgins losers teehee". Women bullying and abusing ugly young men is normalized to such an insane degree. They cannot defend themselves in any way. If you strike her physically, you go to jail. You criticize or mock her (by venting on /r/incels, say), you're called a misogynist. You don't respond at all and remain kind, you're called a /r/niceguy and mocked further. You literally cannot win. What else can they do?

This

Do what I do. Avoid all possible Femoid contact in your life.

Well his mom and dad did die so maybe it also had something to do with that ?

So he was an orphan?

Incels are dangerous people - they need to be punished with fart-induced suffocation.

Not this

Bullies usually have better social and verbal skills. Plus the crowd will be on their side.

Where have you been?

Banging hot chikz.

How you doing man? Let's revive the old sub here.

I'm doing drugs now as a hobby. I hoped people forgot me by this point.

Well you are not forgettable. It is great to see someone from good old memories. What substances are you into?

MDMA, LSD, Ketamine, 2c-b, amphetamine, anything you got really.

What a list, good taste lol. I'd fucking love to get mdma or lsd but do not know anyone with it. Does it help, do you enjoy the life, even for a while? Do parents know?

Well, I don't know anybody with it either, I get them from DNMs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Honestly... every incel should try MDMA. Seriously. And yeah, it helps, and nope, parents don't know.

I am too much of a pussy to order something from there, fuck, do not anyone finding out. You bet I would like to try, how was your experience? Isn't it hard to hide when you are high, or you don't take them at home?

It's really fun. Lifts are anxiety, inhibition, etc... for a couple hours. Music sounds insane on it. The crash afterwards is pretty bad tho. I take it when nobody's around, no way I could hide it lol.

Damn that sounds great. I only drink alcohol nowadays to the point of losing control. Used to be into weed a lot but grew out of it somehow. Shit sucks.

After they're dead.

He murdered people. Do you understand that? Making sideways comments is something you need to fucking live with. Not go out on a killing spree because you can't get any. As for r/incels, they regularly supported suicide of members, sexual assault, etc etc. r/niceguys is a place to make fun of people who act nice and then turn into slobbering monsters when they don't get sex.

So yeah, all of those are shitty things. Wake the fuck up.

No, all of those claims are false. /r/incels was banned because it was a place for the most oppressed minority in United States --- ugly young men --- to vent.

/r/niceguys is mostly a place to mock, well, nice guys. Weak, spineless people who think being weak and spineless will get them laid. Certainly not all of them are monsters. I've viewed numerous posts on the sub, and that's just not the case. Besides, why do you think they don't get sex? They don't get sex because they're ugly. After all, they did everything society asked them to do vis-a-vis women. They respected woman. They were kind. Paid attention to her. Treated her right as society tells men they should treat men. Hence it is only natural for them to get upset after the rejection, although in my experience most of these men are naturally timid so they don't typically don't get particularly upset post-rejection either.

Overall, my point was simply that young ugly men cannot win. Society will hate them for being weak or timid towards women (the "nice guy" meme). Society will hate them for being aggressive towards women ("misogynist", "creep"). Society will hate them for beating the shit of women, regardless of whether or not the bitch deserves it, which she usually does.

They are not false. That sub broke a TON of reddit rules and is still famous for many of the posts supporting what I've said above. Sexism is literally in this response. "Femoid" lol

No, it isn't. Look at the posts. They almost always include a raging outburst up to and including saying "You deserve to die" for rejecting the "Nice Guy". That's the joke. Wooooosh. Blaming everything on your looks is asinine. A lot of you guys look decent, from the face reveals that pop up. I'm literally dead average height and looks and weight (160) and I can get a girlfriend. It is NOT because you are ugly. You are an asshole, and many people here are just shy (as am I). They did NOT do everything society asked- sometimes they turn from "You look beautiful" to "I hate you' in less than a minute.

Idiot.

My point is that you have an obscured perspective because you blame everything on something other than the fact that you are a sexist asshole who doesn't budge on his views of 'femoids' and sympathizes with a school shooter because he couldn't get laid.

Fucking lord, I'd believe you if you just added an /s at the end there. Also, the whole "deserves it" thing, MIGHT also contribute to why you're an incel.

Weak

Because there's no such pattern. Most shootings are committed by people who fit neither your description, nor the more strict definition of an incel. The idea that it's lonely men committing atrocities is just another aspect of society's rampant creep-shaming. The majority of crimes, including the majority of mass shootings, are committed by normal people with relatively normal lives.

Where did you get that it's lonely virgin men committing these mass shootings? This is even an aberration among them. To be able to commit mass murder with seemingly no remorse is sociopathic.

Victoria Olvera, a junior, told the Associated Press that Cruz was expelled last school year after getting into a fight with his ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend. The 17-year-old said that Cruz was abusive while they were together.

He did have a gf though.

The 17-year-old said that Cruz was abusive while they were together.

Yeah but it still fits the m.o. of the average incel. Abusive towards women, check. Blames society, check. Deranged sociopath, check. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This really is not an appropriate thread to bully incels in.

No it's just a way for you incels to use a tragedy to push your own agenda.

Waa waa poor us, incels will kill you all in revenge!

you incels

I'm not even an incel any more - I'm just a person that understands that responding to a school shooter event by isolating and bullying children is a really stupid and shitty thing to do.

"im not even an incel" -every incel ever.

lol you cucks respond to being bullied by bullying others, I learned from your example.

"im not even an incel" - every incel ever

Have you ever even been here before? This is a place where incels freely admit to being incel.

I'm not a cuck and I'm not a bully. You've just assumed I'm something I'm not simply because of where I'm posting.

You're obviously finding this entertaining, which frankly is quite disturbing, given the situation.

Don't bother with him, he comes here for the sole reason to get mad. It's just outrage culture.

everyone who disagrees with my dumbass beliefs is and incel

everyone who disagrees with my dumbass beliefs is a normie who should be feeling sorry for me.

lmao. Not one but TWO replies this time? I'm flattered.

np bro, you and I both like to comment on things, and we both like to reply to each other.

You give me the attention I seek, and I give you the attention you seek. It's like symbiosis or some shit, except the opposite, so antibiosis.

Ok, keep laughing at incels. Will see how you will be laughing when an incel who has had enough lands a bullet in your family member's brain

And if they did realize the pattern what do you expect them to do? Hand everything to the incels on a silver platter? Are incels hopeless and defenseless since the beginning of time?

They pushed him off to the side as if he was garbage

HAHA, they reaped what they sowed.

This. So much this.

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Sadist femoid lol

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I know you're probably overwhelmed right now, but please could you get us pictures or video of the dead bodies?

L m a o.

That tweet from her is faked. She sent plenty of stupid ones today, why do you sexist meatlumps insist on hyperbolizing and falsifying everything to the point where it'd be comical if not so fucking pathetic?

I don't agree but I get it.

Mark this date on your calender fellow cels.

Think about it. In columbine, there were 2 shooters. They had multiple weapons. Bombs. And planned the attack.

13 dead

Florida shooter: One person. One gun. Set fire alarm

17 dead, 3 injured.

How the fuck??

Because Eric and Dylan the fag were trying to look chad walking out of rooms looking badass and the Flordia shooter just did the deed fast

Pulled them into a killbox. Columbine was room to room

Pulled them into a killbox. Columbine was room to room

St. Cruz is an expert marksman.

i love him so much, my new hero

Can we find out what his username here is?

Normans will now have a series of tedious discussions about what caused this, never looking at themselves. Even when reading the statement above, they'll just talk about why he was that way, not why others treated him this way about it (he wears black? Lol)

ROFL blaming wearing black is like blaming heavy metal for murders. Retarded normans.

10 years ago the right winged scorned games/entertainment for immorality; and now the left is doing it for political correctness.

What a bizarro timeline.

The fuck is your problem with vikings?

AR15s are too cheap.

well what is the dude saying himself? isnt he alive? or is he on some crazy shit and not talking? most of the time the shooters kill themselves, the guy in this situation is in custody.

I just hope he didnt kill anyone who didnt bull him.

No, he had a girlfriend, and was expelled the year before for fighting with his ex's new boyfriend. He was not an incel.

I saw a screen cap of him saying like “Eliot Rodgers will not be forgotten” on Youtube a year ago. Can anyone confirm if that’s real?

The 19-year-old was abusive towards his ex-girlfriend and was expelled after getting in a fight with her new boyfriend, one student told the New York Times (paywall). He was taken with another student “to the point of stalking her,” his former math teacher said (paywall). Another student said he had been close friends with Cruz but cut him off after he started “going after” and “threatening” a female friend of his.

Having a gf doesn't mean he's having sex.

FUCKING CHAD

Victoria Olvera, a junior, told the Associated Press that Cruz was expelled last school year after getting into a fight with his ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend. The 17-year-old said that Cruz was abusive while they were together.

He isn't an incel. He is just a sociopath. Just like other mass murderers. Bullying can drive people to suicide but you have to be a sociopath if bullying drives you to mass murderer.

How the fuck is suicide the normal response? Revenge seems like the natural response.

I never said anything about it being normal

Then use your fists. Guns are for the weak

Lol, you really think people would get bullied if they could fight back? The bullies are almost always bigger and stronger, and in a fight that's the most important thing.

Not about bigger and stronger. It’s about sticking up for yourself. If you stick up for yourself your not easy to bully and people find someone else that’s easier to pick on.

Hah, fantasy. I sticked up for myself once when I was 10 and got the shit kicked out of me. He was taller and stronger, not much I could do. And the bullying didn't stop, hell it got worse.

There’s your problem chief. You broke after the first time. You gave up.

Lol, how could it have gone differently the second time?

You’ll never know, but giving up isn’t the answer. Good luck to you. I hope you find some positivity.

Side note, the fact you get offended when asked for your Id for alcohol says a lot. Take it as a compliment to still looking young. You won’t stay that way ,and trust me. You won’t be asked forever.

You do realize not all signs of youth are good? Having smooth skin with no wrinkles is good, having chubby cheeks and no jaw is bad. I have the latter.

Victoria Olvera, a junior, told the Associated Press that Cruz was expelled last school year after getting into a fight with his ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend. The 17-year-old said that Cruz was abusive while they were together.

He had a gf, he was not an incel.

His femoid monkey branched to a better looking Chad. She will monkey branch again if she gets hold of a better looking Chad. The cycle will continue until she hits the wall.

"Better looking chad" So just better looking? Not someone who didn't abuse her? No possibility of that whatsoever? Clearly this is because the girl decided this scrub wasn't any good and it was time to upgrade. That's how it always is isn't it? No, perhaps this is all because a girl decided to leave someone who was objectively an asshole and mistreated her. How dare she have any agency in her life and decide she's worth better than a shit relationship like that. You know, like pretty much everyone has the right to do. But no, no no no, this has to be the woman's fault doesn't it? Just like everything else is ...

Aha, you made a mistake there. I think you meant 'femoid monkey', common mistake, happens to the best of us /s

No sir , I think you made the mistake here. What you meant to say was something along the lines of "Since I can't easily refute anything you said and back it up with a real argument, I'm going to backpedal and just use a made up slur in hopes that it somehow makes a point."

Read what you write before you post it man.

Ah yes, of course, the infamous incel backpedal. My apologies, I forgot our creed.

As long as you're sorry

You can tell he's an asshole by looking at his face?

You can tell he's an asshole from the content he posts on his social media, reports of his behavior from other classmates including the abuse of his girlfriend before she left him, and possibly from the small little fact that he decided he needed to kill people.

And yes lookism is real, it's been a thing for a long, long time, it's just up to you to prove to people you're not as much of a cretin as you look. People thought Joseph Merrick was nothing but a simpleton and a monster because of how he looked and he very easily proved them wrong. Points go to you if you can figure out who that is without having to google his name.

the wall is meme boi, women will always be wanted no matter the age

Hahahaha

Valentine’s Day, perfect for shootin up normie couples

"yeah, give us women or we'll shoot people".

He was not an incel.

You retard ** he was not incel. He had a girlfriend.**

You & this stupid post of yours only fuels normie paranoia that the most dangerous people who walk among us are the lonely men.

I went to that school and I was already a Chad back then, I was actually fucking his crush in front of him in the schoolyard.

Gotta love the normans blaming this on guns or mental illness.

Should've just shot himself, could have saved a lot of trouble

You people are fucking disgusting.

He is giving me some incel school shooter vibes. I bet normies made fun of his ears, Bambi eyes, shocking autistic facial expression and general incel vibes. Look:

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/14A9A/production/_100043648_nikolas_cruz_mugshot_2.jpg

http://popculture.com/trending/2018/02/15/florida-school-shooting-shooter-photo-arrest/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nick-cruz-parkland-florida-shooting-stoneman-douglas-high-school

And interesting that he performed the cleansing on Valentine's day.

Beta uprising, normie holocaust...it was real...all of it

Soon there will be mandatory facial screening of students to check which correspond to incel traits (Bambi eyes, asymmetry, general nerdism) and they will be put on watch list.

Here is an interesting quote: "“He was off,” Giovanni Watford, 17, told BuzzFeed News. “He was super stressed-out all the time and talked about guns a lot and tried to hide his face.”"

He knew, he was a fellow facecel brother all along.

Be afraid normies, be very afraid!

Your pretty faces are of no use six feet under and eaten by worms.

Just to be certain, you guys know this is fucked up and you SHOULDN'T do this, correct?

They don't lol

The Bullies don't get charged for creating him in the first place?

BULLIES DIDNT CREATE HIM. He wasn't bullied. He abused his girlfriend and sexually harassed and attacked other kids. He was a bully:

I was just assuming that because it's how most cases go. In this instance he is just crazy then.

No it's not. Most cases these kids haven't been bullied. Even columbine it's been proven that these kids were the bullies. HMU with one case. My sister had two shooting threats at her school, in one case the kid brought a gun and almost went through with it. He was a known bully and blackmailed freshmen girls for nudes.

The columbine shooters were bullied. It was even stated by the survivors.

No one cares until something radical happens

Good for him standing up for himself like that.

Possibly. I'm still working on that

People kill themselves over being bullied. They are in the same category.

Okay? I don't get how you can compare the two. A woman being raped has every right to shoot her attacker. Someone being emotionally bullied does not.

So true and sad if you think about it, how evil females are.

I mean the women kills the rapist solely for revenge. It’s entirely analogous, and it does happen.

Y'all are fucked

There is a difference between "cause" and "fault."

Don't try to shift this onto women. The only person to blame for the murder of children is the murderer.

He was expelled for fighting with his ex girlfriend's new boyfriend.

People kill themselves over getting a B in Trig. Is that therefore equivalent to bullying and rape? Does that justify students in killing their teachers for giving them a B?

How do you know? Did you ask?

Actually yes. How do you know otherwise? Do you guess?

It depends. Were they onlookers, or encouragers? In the latter case, everyone would side with her.

They would side with her for outing them on social media. They wouldn't side with her for killing them. Sympathy has its limits.

There certainly are some people who kill themselves over grades (not really in the US, mostly in China or Korea, where exams are extremely competitive). That does not justify killing the teachers, since the teachers are ultimately just doing their jobs; conversely, bullying or bully-enabling is not justifiable.

In certain cases, the psychological devastation of something like this would be equivalent to rape, yes. Again, some of these exams are high-stakes and students' futures depends on their performance. "Getting a B in Trig" is a funny joke to you, in the American educational system where that happens to be irrelevant, but elsewhere it really isn't.

Interestingly he had had a girlfriend in the past, so maybe that's not quite as clear cut as you think.

lmao. Not one but TWO replies this time? I'm flattered.

Okay let's remove the semantics here and put this into a situational context:

You and I are classmates in high school. Several times a week when we pass in the halls, I insult you and laugh at you with my friends.

You tell on me, maybe I get detention or get lectured, but I don't really stop. I keep picking on you.

It's now the end of the semester. Do you have a moral right to kill me?

I never said anything about it being normal

Then use your fists. Guns are for the weak

Sounds exactly like what a fat girl would say.