Notice how whenever you ask a girl why she called someone creepy, it always has something to do with the guy making the first move?

No, it's usually to do with men being overly forward. Remembering someone's birthday isn't creepy, expecting them to want to sleep with you just because you remembered their birthday is.

Notice one common thread? They all had something to do with some guy trying to do something despite not being good looking enough.

No, because you made literally no mention of the hypothetical men's physical appearance, so there's no way anyone could notice that as a "common thread".

But when you ask how people got together, women will always say “it just happened” or “I fell for him first and went for him” or “we just started talking”.

Or they say "he approached me" or "we matched on Tinder" or "he saved me from rampaging mutant gorillas unleashed on the city by a mad scientist". Your examples seem to include only those responses which would prove your point and excludes any that don't.

In other words, the word creepy is basically living proof of the blackpill without women getting to admit that they know about the blackpill.

Pretty torturous logic there. You've created a set of hypothetical circumstances in which the only allowable answers are those that conform to your theory, and used that as proof of your conclusion.

But really creepy is just the word girls use for ugly. Perusing a female is creepy if you are a sub8 male. Having a sex drive is creepy if you are a sub8 male.

But really creepy is just the word girls use for ugly.

Can we get some girls in here to confirm this? Because pretty much every example I've read, seen or heard has had creepy applied to behaviour, not looks.

Perusing a female is creepy if you are a sub8 male.

I'm going to assume that was a typo for pursuing? Because perusing ("to examine carefully or at length") is pretty creepy, yeah.

Having a sex drive is creepy if you are a sub8 male.

And yet sub8 males have sex all the time.

Sub8 males get sex, but here's the thing: Society shames them for trying to get away with ONS and sub8 guys that go after ONS get creep shamed while Matthew noszka fucks a different girl every night and will never EVER have the word creep even mentioned in the same sentence as him. Sub8 males run the risk of being perceived as creepy every time the engage with a female. You have to have social status or be a 100% beta numale to decrease the risk of being creepy.

Society shames them for trying to get away with ONS and sub8 guys that go after ONS get creep shamed

Shamed by who? Where? It never actually seems to stop them from going out and hooking up, so the shaming can't be particularly effective.

Sub8 males run the risk of being perceived as creepy every time the engage with a female.

Not if they aren't creepy, though? I don't think I've ever been called creepy ("weird", yes, a lot, but I don't really dispute that) despite having interacted with women every day and being firmly, firmly sub8.

Two drunk people have sexy. The girl wakes up and the male is sub8. This man runs the REAL risk of getting called out on rape. How's that for creep shaming.

Bro just get over it, you're a numale cuck trying to cope with being subhuman by typing out long autistic responses to quotes from comments. It's over. Bitches call you creepy behind your back GUARANTEED.

Two drunk strangers have sex. The girl wakes up and the male is sub8. This man runs the REAL risk of getting called out on rape. How's that for creep shaming.

How's that for an invented scenario? That proves literally nothing, that's just you restating your personal beliefs again!

Bro just get over it

By which you mean "stop questioning my precious dogma", presumably?

you're a numale cuck trying to cope with being subhuman by typing out long autistic responses to quotes from comments.

Even if it were true, it doesn't actually undermine or invalidate anything I've said.

Bitches call you creepy behind your back GUARANTEED.

Again, that's just your personal beliefs.

This is clinical psychology I'm not going to go out and gather fucking data to prove why sub8 males like you and me are FUCKED

Seems like cope to me.

"I'm not going to actually find out if my claims are true, because then I won't have my crutch to lean on anymore, so I'm just going to keep insisting my opinions are infallible!"

Lol ok head on out there with a clipboard and get back to me in 7 years.

Creepy is not synonymous with ugly. Creepy is behaving in such a way as to weird someone out. You can be handsome and still be a creepy guy.

Thankyou.

Why are you replying to your own alt

It might be somebody’s alt, but not mine. I had an original account which I used exclusively in r/unresolvedmysteries, but I lost the logon info and that is when I created this one.

Can we get some girls in here to confirm this?

Why do you insist on getting girls to admit this for confirmation? Why are you so naive that you believe most girls are honest?

And there are some girls who admit this is true. But most don't.

I've never been overly forward in my life. Instead I'm usually shy and reserved. I've been called creep a lot because I'm usually too reserved and don't want to engage in conversation.

I've been called creep a lot because I'm usually too reserved and don't want to engage in conversation.

Can you round this out with some context? Who called you a creep? What was the situation? What were you doing? Were you just sitting there quietly and someone came up and called you a creep? It's easy to say "I got called a creep but I'm not creepy!", but being shy is not really creepy behaviour.

You are coping so hard? How old are you. You must lack serious life experience. Even most normies don’t deny that creepy=ugly.

Lots of behavior that breaks social etiquette is forgiven when a handsome man does it.

You are coping so hard?

I don't understand why cope is used in this context. Surely telling yourself "it's over for sub8 men" is much more about coping than questioning that idea? After all, if it's true then you've got an excuse, which allows you to assign blame for your problems, which is a method of coping.

How old are you. You must lack serious life experience.

I'm 31, and just because my experiences don't align with your beliefs doesn't mean I haven't had them.

Even most normies don’t deny that creepy=ugly.

Have you asked them, or is this just more supposition?

Lots of behavior that breaks social etiquette is forgiven when a handsome man does it.

Like what?

Directly approaching a woman. Messaging random women on Facebook. Immediately asking for phone numbers or dates complimenting women who you don’t know.

All of that is seen creepy I’d an ugly or average guy does it.

Directly approaching a woman.

In what context?

Messaging random women on Facebook.

Little creepy, yeah, regardless of who does it. Hitting on random strangers on Facebook is a weird way to spend time.

Immediately asking for phone numbers or dates complimenting women who you don’t know.

Not that creepy, worst they can do is say no.

All of that is seen creepy I’d an ugly or average guy does it.

Again, not really.

1. Cold approach.
2. Lots of good looking dudes I know have gotten laid this way by messaging chicks. Same with IG and snap. If an ugly guy does it the girl puts him on blast and and calls him creepy. 3.again in context of cold approach it’s creepy when an ugly dude does it.

How are you 31 and lack basic social awareness?

Cold approach.

That's not context. Context would be whether they were drinking at the club or at her grandmother's funeral.

Lots of good looking dudes I know have gotten laid this way by messaging chicks. Same with IG and snap. If an ugly guy does it the girl puts him on blast and and calls him creepy.

Did your attractive men mention how many times women called them creepy for hitting up random women online for sex? That would be an important piece of information.

again in context of cold approach it’s creepy when an ugly dude does it.

Says you, but if it worked as you say it did then we as a species would be much less numerous.

How are you 31 and lack basic social awareness?

Basic social awareness does not equate to accepting various pill theories as gospel.

Usually when I message random girl on snap/ig I mention where I found their handle (like on their OKC profile) and that usually works.

Even most normies don’t deny that creepy=ugly.

An overwhelming amount of real normies on askreddit threads confirmed that this is actually the truth or at least what they have observed as well. Well they mostly add that they think it's a very hypocritical thing that needs to be changed.

Girls did. Not directly to me of course. But they said it to my friends who let it slip between conversations.

That's not really adding any context TBH. Doesn't allow anyone reading to intuit why you might have been called creepy.

I already told you. Its because I don't talk to much and am generally introverted. So I get called a creep.

That isn't creepy behaviour though, that's just being quiet. Quiet people are not creepy, they're just quiet, and it's perfectly normal. There's no reason for you to be called creepy for that.

Except I've been called creepy and weird for exactly that. Now what?

Well, that's what we're trying to determine. It's why I asked for more context.

Are you a troll. I gave you all the context. I was shy and introverted. Girls called me a creep. Ergo it has nothing to do with being overbearing.

No, that is not all the context, because as women in this thread have attested it takes more than that to be considered creepy.

No it doesn't. The girls here are lying or virtue signalling. I'm pretty sure there are many girls who've found shy or introverted guys creepy.

The girls here are lying or virtue signalling.

Why assume this? Because they don't agree with your preconceived notions?

Why assume this? Because they don't agree with your preconceived notions?

Its a defense mechanism. They create a fantasy and if something goes against it, it forces them to create a new fantasy. Much easier for them to simply say women are lying or virtue signalling.

Reading this story, Im gonna assume you have some kind of social anxiety which is causing you to think everyone is pointing their fingers at you. I was overweight, short, black, and really shy in highschool, yet out of all the insults I got, I was never called a creep. It just doesn't make sense.

Nobody's gonna come up to you and call you creepy. But that's what they think.

No they don't. The only reason they'd think you're a creep is if your actions were causing it. Creepy is a very specific term meaning causing someone to feel fearful or uneasy. You probably feel they are disgusted by your presence, and those are two different feelings. The question you need to ask yourself is why do you feel that they feel disgusted by you around them, and what can you do to fix that. Call me cliche all you want, but don't tell me you can't do anything. Yes you can.

Yes. I was creepy because I didn't act like them. I'm always called creepy.

Speaking from experience, you're doing something you just don't know you're doing it.

Source: Autistic. Had to learn how to socialise with a textbook and a football helmet. Extremely rarely did I experience mass rejection without directly contributing to the cause. Remaining two incidents were circumstantial, wrong place wrong time kinda shit.

When you constantly hang around ppl but never say a word it does kinda make you seem creepy

I was...black...in highschool

What about now?

I was overweight, short, black, and really shy in highschool, yet out of all the insults I got, I was never called a creep.

Because of stereotypes, black people and fat people are less likely to be called creepy. White and Indian kids, especially ones who are skinny with bad posture are probably the most likely people to be called creepy. I have heard girls call a small Mexican kid creepy too just because he was quiet.

How many years ago did you go to high school? It may have gotten worse in the more recent years. Girls at my used the word creep/creepy constantly. One time a girl randomly brought up to me that a kid (who normally sat at our table) “creeped her out.” He was shy but never did anything especially creepy or anything.

"It didnt happen to me so it never happens"

Every day I'm amazed by ITs failure to feel empathy

Okay, maybe the women in this thread wouldn't call that creepy, but that doesn't mean all other women think the same way. Maybe you think it would be unreasonable to consider it creepy, but is it that hard to believe that there are unreasonable people out there?

Chances are, your inability to recognise what the specifics of you being called creepy are other than what you suspect is why you are on this sub

"You're creepy because you're overbearing."

"But I'm mostly introverted and silent and still called creepy"

"There must be something else wrong with you. And that's why you're Incel."

"It's YOUR fault you were bullied"

Inceltears, everyone

It's not being bullied. If it was bullying, then it wasn't genuine

Oh cool I guess it never happened because you dont want to believe it did. And I thought we were the delusional ones. Just lol

I'm saying, there is a difference between being bullied by people calling you creepy and people genuinely calling you creepy.

One is meant to hurt you, even if it is untrue

The other is not meant to hurt you specifically, but is the truth

Chances are, he's just quiet and physically unattractive, which many girls consider "creepy."

Dude, quiet people are called creepy all the time

Some people find the presence of a person who is always listening/watching while nobody knows what they think to be quite unnerving - doesn't seem at all outlandish to me that being "quiet" can lead to someone being called a creep.

Some people find the presence of a person who is always listening/watching while nobody knows what they think to be quite unnerving

Yep...and I'm not fond of this type either. Its not like they're sitting or standing there with a blank mind. They're thinking about something.

Don't observe life...participate.

Quiet Chad lite is considered cute, quiet ugly manlet must be thinking of something sinister.

Don't observe life...participate

Spoken like someone who hasn't the slightest clue about social anxiety.

LOOKS BITCH IT MEANS HE WAS UGLY

Dude, it's basically looks that determine creepiness, like, I've had friends that have said that I'm weird, awkward, and depressed enough that I'd be creepy if I wasn't handsome.

I've had friends that have said that I'm weird, awkward, and depressed enough that I'd be creepy if I wasn't handsome.

It sounds like you don't have very nice friends...

No, my friends are just honest with me. They said I'm like Anakin from Episode 2...just not as good looking as the actor so I can't get away with it.

They just wanted to help me, anyway. I'd be more offended if they didn't tell me my flaws and allowed me to continue being defective.

They said I'm like Anakin from Episode 2

....a whiny little bitch? Again, not very nice.

They just wanted to help me, anyway. I'd be more offended if they didn't tell me my flaws and allowed me to continue being defective.

If they made you feel defective, that's not good friendship.

Not the whiney part, I rarely complain to them or anyone about my life, they more meant the depressive, awkward, edgy, emotional parts. And, they didn't make me feel anything. I am defective, I've been defective for my entire life, I'm just lucky that my defects are in my mind and not my face and body, so I can improve myself out of my worthlessness and become something better. I needed them to tell me that, not to mention, it was something I already thought anyway and just didn't want to acknowledge. Plus, I was focusing too much on hating the person I used to be so I wouldn't have to focus on the deficiencies I still have. They aren't bad people, they just don't bullshit and tell you feel good lies, that's how men are, I'm a man, I can take it. After all, I've taken years and years I've depression and isolation, I can take a critique as well.

That sounds rough, mate. I hope you're feeling better now?

Am I feeling better? Well, I'm not as weak as I was in the past, so I can deal with things better. But I'm still lonely, and still angry. Just now I devote all of my hatred and anger to the weakness in me. I'm not like the other depressives, they gave up and wallow in sorrow. I used to do that. Now I have a goal. My goal is killing the person I am now. He's weak and worthless. He doesn't deserve to live. But maybe if I can improve myself, I can justify my existence. Weak worthless men aren't worthy of life, meaning I am unworthy of life. I will remedy this, and maybe then I'll finally be worthy of love from someone other than my family.

I used to do that. Now I have a goal. My goal is killing the person I am now.

I genuinely started to panic halfway through that last sentence :-P

I'm not suicidal, that was a different person from long ago. When I say killing the person I am now, I meant destroying my weakness and flaws.

Yeah, I know, I just got to the "my goal now is to kill" and was worried you'd say Taylor Swift or "the younglings" or something :-P

First off, if I wanna kill anything it's all this goddamned sand

If they made you feel defective, that's not good friendship.

do you prefer people to just tell each other white lies all day?

I've had friends that have said that I'm weird, awkward, and depressed enough that I'd be creepy if I wasn't handsome.

you sound like a goalpost-moving dickwad. Stop evading.

Doesn't allow anyone reading to intuit why you might have been called A FAGGOT.

does it feel the same now, sir?

Man, I got called a “Silent Creep” When I was in HS for no reason (yeah, I was, and still am Socially Awkward af.). The fact that I didn’t have any friends+ I’m not attractive= Creep to people. It happened to me when I was walking down the hallway getting ready to go home. One of my teammates said “Sup -MY NAME-”. I waved. One of my other teammates said to the group that they work talking to “-MY NAME- is such a silent creep”. Being Shy while being not being attractive is definitely creepy behavior to people.

Or maybe he's telling the truth. Maybe it's just because of how he looks. Why is it so hard for you to accept this?

I'm usually too reserved and don't want to engage in conversation

This is the part why it's easy for people to perceive you as creepy. If outsiders struggle to make contact with you, they cannot gain any understanding of you. People generally fear the unknown.

So you agree that being overbearing has nothing to do with it??

Being overbearing is almost by definition negative. On the other hand, a forward approach, even when it may be too forward, can work or fail depending on the other party. Some enjoy confidence, being pursued, or would have just been too shy to initiate anything themselves.

We're talking about creepy. The above guy said the only way to be creepy is to be overly forward. I said no.

Ah. I'm of the opinion that being overly forward has nothing to do with it. It can backfire spectacularly ofc. But yes, there's many ways to be creepy.

The problem with "creepy" is that it's inherently subjective. Different women have different lines where something is considered creepy. And whether or not she is attracted to a guy has an effect on the point where something (like approaching someone) is considered creepy or not. Giving advice like "don't be creepy" is just absurdly vapid

Fuck I'm amazed you haven't been banned yet, you're like a white neomancr.

I thought this place didn't ban people For having the wrong opinions?

Thankfully in my mind there's no such thing as a "wrong opinions".

Just wave after wave of useless or attacking comment from you.

I don't feel like I've attacked anyone?

Sounds more like you've ran into assholes out of touch with reality. Normal people don't call others names for wearing unusual pieces of clothing. Just as a point on being creepy and negative behaviours in general, women can be creepy or weird too.

Creepy is none of those things. Creepy is letting your eyes crawl all over me instead of looking me in the face when we are talking. Creepy is invading my personal space. Creepy is saying sexual things and we have not reached that stage of a relationship yet. No, remembering birthdays is not creepy.

The workplace example in the OP is legit creepy, so are the examples you brought up.

However, I do notice that "creepy" and "ugly" aren't too far from each other.

Yeah, I guess the workplace one could be creepy. Stalkerish, even. You still don’t have to be ugly to be creepy though.

All depends on the individual. Some would probably deem me creepy by default. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Starting to think you help your case quite a bit with the right behavior either way.

You dropped this \

^{To prevent any more lost limbs throughout Reddit, correctly escape the arms and shoulders by typing the shrug as ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯}

Clever :). Also, curse my ADD.

Am also stoned. Also find hilarious. I hope you find further data.

Some attractive people can be considered creepy but ugly people are always considered creepy

Except, it's all OK and not creepy when a good looking guy does it.

I don’t think that is true. Good looking guys can be creepy too.

No. They can't.

They absolutely can. I can think of a few I know personally who never learned proper boundaries.

Have they ever been publicly shamed for that?

If you mean have people said things to them directly or talked about them behind their backs, yes.

I'm more of a mind of high school style public humiliation (adapted for the adult world, of course), cracking bold jokes and stuff like that.

But that works as well, I guess.

Yes. Public shaming doesn't happen often but yeah, they get made fun of for it. You are not being targeted. Get over yourself.

Did I say anything about myself in this case or are you just being douchenozzle?

Going the Incel route and generalizing vast communities of people since that seems to be the only way to get through to you.

No? Alright. Then listen.

Public shaming happens to literally everyone. Some people take it in stride, some go on the internet to complain, some just get pissed and storm off. What matters is that it DOES happen and it normally DOES have credence. Learn from it, move on.

Just saying. Adaptation.

As a side note, wtf I'm a normie, all of us are apparently douchenozzles. You're in the wrong sub if you don't know that.

Going the Incel route and generalizing vast communities of people since that seems to be the only way to get through to you.

I thought that asking everyone to talk to the person, not to the drone of the hivemind is an incel route. But what do I know, I'm a pesky little inc...oh wait.

Public shaming happens to literally everyone. Some people take it in stride, some go on the internet to complain, some just get pissed and storm off. What matters is that it DOES happen and it normally DOES have credence. Learn from it, move on.

Just a little check - is slut-shaming okay? I don't care about a woman's sex life, girls are girls but I'd like to check how hypocritical you are, personally.

As a side note, wtf I'm a normie, all of us are apparently douchenozzles. You're in the wrong sub if you don't know that.

Well probably. I'm always extending the courtesy of talking to the person and not the collective but y'all feign surprise and generalizing me anyway.

Ignoring the first bit.

No. It isn't. Public shaming isn't cool either but it fucking happens. You guys are probably the worst stain on reddit but you are here. Credence is a thing, but necessity is another. There is credence in shaming, normally. That doesn't mean it is needed or right.

Ignoring the first bit.

Of course, you would, because you then carry on addressing me as "we" and not "you personal". As always, when you cannot process fine detail - revert to hiveminding.

No. It isn't. Public shaming isn't cool either but it fucking happens.

Then this standard should be applied to everyone. In an ideal world.

You guys are probably the worst stain on reddit but you are here.

And you guys are worthless meat bags contributing nothing and taking everything from the limited resources of this planet and who apparently have nothing to do but judge people on the Internet forum. But I don't go around saying that.

I'm ignoring it because it was a stupid point.

I apply it to everyone. Your ideal world exists in small amounts.

What were you contributing again? Besides attempts to throw the topic off course and into something else entirely. All r/braincels does is provide a place for the worst forms of sexism to take place and call it a community. You shit on women because they won't fuck you. You try to feel bad for each other despite the fact that every day "normies" come in and tell you the truth, and then you shit on them, too, because above all else you are a thick-skulled community who adamantly believes that everyone else is wrong, not the handful of people here.

Fucking lunacy.

Ah, so you see what you want to see and won't take a different point to view to even consider, not to mention debate.

The door is that way.

Right. Way to continue the circle jerk.

We all see what's here. You folks are the ones living in this weird surreal wonderland. Cheers gent.

You try to feel bad for each other despite the fact that every day "normies" come in and tell you the truth

Nope, they come here to shit on us (just like you when you said "You guys are probably the worst stain on reddit", btw)

If the truth is shit, then embrace the shit, brother. It's everywhere.

Yes. That is the truth. There are few subreddits so infamous for their terrible acts of sexism and hatred to all outsiders, not to mention ridden with self-pity.

terrible acts of sexism and hatred

Cant have anyone say anything bad about m'lady, can we?

Saying all women are sluts and ignore good guys is sexism, my dude. Shitty things are shitty.

Cant have anyone say anything bad about m'lady, can we?

Can't have anyone who respects all humans equally regardless of sexual orientation, status, race, or gender, can we?

What does it even matter to you what anyone does here, retardo?

I'd compare it to a scab. I just gotta pick at it. I know all I'm gonna get is such lovely intellectual comments such as yours, but eh.

By the way, "retardo"? You're better than that.

I'd compare it to a scab. I just gotta pick at it.

So it's autism. Got it

I have personally publicly shamed...i dont even know quite a few stereotypically "hot" bros for: staring intensely at my nipples while leering, asking to buy me a drink and then leaning in an touching me without permission (arm around my waist, side of my breast, back of my neck), coming up and grinding on me while i'm out dancing, and following me to my car after ive already told them im not interested.

A lot of girls don't speak up because it can be kind of intimidating, verging on scary. Usually we just disengange and try to leave.

They can be creepy but the line past which they become creepy is more generous than for unattractive guys

I'm no looker and I've literally written porn about somebody I was trying to nail and have been actively praised for it. Makes a pretty good substitute for nudes if you look like shit, by the way.

Creepy is none of those things. Creepy is letting your eyes crawl all over me instead of looking me in the face when we are talking.

Define crawl? I am unable to maintain eye contact for too long, because otherwise I'm called out for staring to intently.

Creepy is saying sexual things and we have not reached that stage of a relationship yet.

What if it's banter? I mean, straight-faced sexual stuff is obviously unpleasant if you haven't found one another attractive but banter can often have sexual undertones, without an implication of anything in real life.

I make a lot of sex jokes. Its pretty much my main source of fuel for comedy besides wacky sword fighting shenanigans. Two important rules:

1) Much like a first date, stay vanilla until you figure out what their tolerance for weirdness is. Doesn't matter how good mates you are with somebody, if they're gonna be disgusted by the Aristocrats joke, do not tell them the Aristocrats joke.

2) Keep the subjects of the joke nebulous. Especially do not refer to them, but try to avoid accidentally implicating somebody you are telling the joke to, within the joke. I've had pretty good results writing targeted smut over the years, but writing is a lot harder than it looks. Writing for a set of genitals you do not happen to have to hand, doubly so.

The point is that being ugly makes you more likely to be found creepy. Its about the corelation.

Creepy is whatever a woman feels is creepy so for some women remembering birthdays is going to be creepy if they don't want their birthdays to be remembered

Autists are creepy too. Try having a debate with a normie from the premise that autists should be excluded dating since they're unable to read the subtle social cues making them more susceptible to harrassing women. The ultimate void of cognitivie dissonance at the heart of normie ideology reveals itself.

I'm HFA (High Functioning Autistic) and I've had a girlfriend for two years.

Also, r/iamverysmart fodder?

oops I used a big word /r/amverysmart lMao

The fact that you have a gf doesn't mean that autists as a group shouldn't be excluded from dating(of course, only doable by social pressure, advice from pyschologists etc.), if we really want to do all we can to decrease the harrassment of women.

No, you did a dumb thing trying to pass it off for smart. A smart person would use words that make the point more accessible. Yours was just to wank yourself.

Actually yes, it does. Considering you're on r/braincels I'd say your opinion on who should and shouldn't be excluded from dating is pretty pointless, but whatever.

Harassment of women comes from case by case examples. Not by saying "all autists are going to harass women". That's idiotic.

I didn't try to to pass it off as anything, I just wrote my thoughts in as clear a way as possible. Not my fault you're dyslexic, retarded or whatever is fucking up your comprehension.

It was rhetoric that is used to prove a point.

Autists do not understand body language cues, thats one of the definitive traits. With this in mind, you can see that autists have actually a far higher probability of creeping women out, as they can't read social cues as well.

Oof. I'd say wooosh but that wasn't a joke, I was trying to make it simple for you. Whatever.

You're an idiot. Autistic folks are typically stunted in that area but that is not the only defining aspect. The fact that you can ONLY see Autistic people as sexual harassments waiting to happen tells me something about why people MIGHT not like you so much. I'm an emotional dude who likes talking about pretty much everything. I'm social. Do you know why? I went through nine years of therapy and I'm a lot better now.

By your logic, ALL poor people are to be sent to prison because they are more likely to steal. ALL women are sluts chasing Chad. Right? Generalizations are literally the only thing backing up your half-assed excuse for propaganda against Autistic people.

Just go back to bitching about how the whole world is against you and maybe how in twenty years you'll have a wife who hates you, yeah? Don't make yourself look like a god damned moron who bases all arguments on one incomplete fact.

Do you know why? I went through nine years of therapy and I'm a lot better now.

Autism is literally neurological, it isn't cured by therapy, retard.

Generalizations are literally the only thing backing up your half-assed excuse for propaganda against Autistic people.

Again, this isn't my propaganda. I have compassion for autistic people. However, as one of the criteria for autism is stunted observation of social signals(including body language + i dont understand what it not being the only defining aspect has to do with anything). When you read females' criteria for harrassment, only a slight misjudgement is required for you to come off as a creep. Seduction is literally the most subtle area of social interaction, autists would make some kind of a mistake almost certainly.

autists would make some kind of a mistake almost certainly.

Every form of active approach with romantic implications would be perceived as a creepy misjudgement by women if you are not attractive enough. An attractive autist doesn't have to read social cues and could act the way he wanted without any problems. Sure he wouldn't be successful every time but attractive people can never be perceived as creeps.

I would say, yes, if you're a 9-10, autism doesn't matter. It obviously doesn't matter in the highest tier, like Brad Pitt could not come across as awkward. But for those more in the6-8 tier, it can prove to be a decisive flaw.

a decisive flaw

Of course it would be a decisive flaw that highly affects your success rate but females would never describe the approach as a creepy encounter. They would find another nice euphemism. Only ugly people can be creeps.

Yes they would, anyone below sub-8 is subhuman in female's eyes. Besides, your wealth and status influences your number grading, look at all the butt ugly rappers drowning in pussy because they have cash. You can transcend the effects of status again by being 9-10, but most people aren't. So they have much more rules that they must follow, because they're a lower level of male, but it is hard for autists to grasp those rules, which is why they will easily appear creepy.

Cognitive dissonance is hardly a "big word" anymore. It's one of the buzzwords people on reddit use all the time. It's funny that you can't have a meaningful discussion with normies without the expectable remark that somebody is /r/iamverysmart or /r/im14andthisisdeep material.

That isn't the point. If you actually were as intelligent as you fancy yourself you'd understand that. Oof.

r/braincels is a subreddit lacking brain cells. Hoodathunkit.

Also, r/iamverysmart fodder?

So you didn't write that?

I did. I never said I didn't.

"normie hivemind mentality'

So you guys circle jerking each other all day, making the rest of your community look bad, what's that? Normal people don't function the way you think they do. The fact that this is how you see the world is a bad sign. Get some help or something.

r/braincels is a subreddit lacking brain cells

Fucking hell, how the hell did I not realize the braincels = brain cells pun

Unsure if /s or not

If so, to be fair you need a very high IQ to understand incels...

If so, to be fair you need a very high IQ to understand incels...

Nope. Nope nope nope nope. That one has died, and we are not having it back!

IT NEVER DIES

MEME VAMPIRISM

"Dating" isn't some organised program that you can be excluded or included in. If someone likes you, they will date you. If someone thinks you are creepy they won't. That isn't excluding autists, the autistic can get with other autists if regular people won't date then

Doesn't work like that, because autistic females have normies vying for their attention in much greater numbers than autistic males have females, on average. They still exist within the power structure of gynocracy and female supremacy that characterizes modern society.

Still, "excluded" is the wrong word. If someone likes them, despite their autism, they will get with them. It isn't like they are disallowed from dating, but you can hardly expect someone to sacrifice themselves by getting with an autistic person they don't understand.

Obviously they aren't excluded now. What I was trying to say is that normies who pretend to support autism would have a hard time excusing "sexual harrassment" or "creepiness" that happens, because someone is autistic. Suddenly all that goes out of the window when females feel an unattractive guy thinking they could get with them. They just have to be punished.

It's a tough situation. I mean, obviously those who are autistic might just not understand how they are being creepy or sexually harassing, but you can't exactly decide that people can do whatever they want just because they have an altered mental state.

It's always going to be a tough life for autistic people, but there are some things that they will have to accept. Accepting and supporting autism are not the same as becoming a martyr and accepting everything Autists want, and excusing them for their behaviour should it be inappropriate.

We all live in the same society, and we all have to respect other's separate entities.

once saw a chad whispering to himself on a train, the ladies all looked pretty freaked out.

Remembering a birthday that was mentioned only once is not creepy. “Remembering” a birthday trying to convince someone they mentioned it once is. Sending flowers to a girls workplace that you had a two minute conversation with (which may or may not have included a mention of her workplace) is creepy. Sending flowers to a girl you’ve been dating for a few weeks is not.

Creepiness in your examples isn’t due to appearance, it’s due to context. It’s like complaining that you’re being benched for making no-look behind the back passes in hockey when someone else is able to do them but that someone else does it in the offensive zone and not in front of your own net.

"Sending flowers to a girl you’ve been dating for a few weeks is not"

Actually a lot of girls would consider that creepy

I was trying to make it a point of context but, yes, it could be considered creepy. I’m assuming, if you’ve been dating a few weeks, workplace has come up so it’s not like you’ve creeped where she works. The point is that context means everything.

The point is creepy is whatever a girl feels is creepy, which means it's completely subjective and depends on the individual woman.

Since it's a feeling then it's inevitable that the line where something becomes creepy is a lot closer for someone who is unattractive

Hence why I say context. Appropriate context is based on perception. All perceptions are subjective but there are relatively common perceptions that people share and many actions, depending on context, can be deemed appropriate or inappropriate. People are very complex people and obviously I think having a feel for someone helps determine appropriate behaviour towards them.

Still, if two people are actively dating and have been for a while, flowers to their place of employment MAY not be creepy whereas flowers to a place of employment where it has never come up or you’ve had only one conversation would almost always be viewed as creepy. The context changes as this is between two people engaging in a romantic relationship. Obviously if her place of employment has never come up, flowers being delivered would be creepy regardless because seeking that location would require outside effort but, again, context. A woman could be drop dead gorgeous but if she randomly appeared at my office after one brief conversation, I’d be totally creeped out.

Being ugly and trying to talk to any female in a one-to-one conversation = creepy. Get the rope

Finding out where she works and showing up or buying flowers constitutes as stalking.

nah just be glad to get free flowers.

Found the virgin.

Lmfao bro you really don't think finding out where someone works or what someone does without being told is creepy. That doesn't matter who does it, quit living in fucking romantic comedies.

Or it’s creepy because he found out where I worked and sent flowers to my workplace.

That is creepy you tool.

Na, creepy as fuck. Back off.

Stop following me, creep

A persistent ugly man is a stalker. A persistent attractive man is a woman's newly discovered soul mate.

Notice how often female fantasy media show romantic stalkers, for example, like in the standard vampire-meets-girl story.

If that is true, then tough. It is the women's choice as to who they are creeped out by. You can moan all you want about how unfair life is, or you can work on making yourself look as good as you can possibly be. Even if you have an unattractive face, an attractive haircut, body, personality are all achievable by people who are willing to get on with it and change. Those who continue to wallow in self-pity will never get anywhere

I don't say that the incel's situation is "unfair." Instead I say that it's "tragic," and there is a difference. Unfairness comes from human volition, but tragedy comes from the nature of reality itself.

Because today's incels demonstrate the ongoing tragedy of male sexuality that psychologist Roy Baumeister writes about:

https://www.scribd.com/document/367783984/The-Most-Underappreciated-Fact-About-Men-by-Roy-Baumeister

Are humans not experts of upending nature and changing it to fit their wants/needs?

So whose "nature" do we upend and change, then?

Because man's nature is obdurate, and you can't reshape it like clay to make it conform to the arbitrary standards of the political correctness in The Current Year.

That's the real message of the Alt Right, BTW, though they usually don't articulate it the way I do.

women should change their nature

So they should lower their standards and get with less successful, less socially-able people, despite having access to the opposite? It's your problem, not theirs

it's not they should lower their standards it's just that ALL women think they deserve way higher than their looks match. 2/10's think they deserve 6+/10's. and it's because they got a good looking horny guy ONE time so now for life they will never settle for less. This is proved time and time again.

Why do neckbeard m-lady defenders sit on here 24-7 downvoting and arguing the same old stupid incel tear argument points? why? Why do you get out of sitting here all day and night defending m'ladys honor? i just don't why you people do it.

I'm not defending thier honour. They are free people, they can like whoever and whatever they want.If they can't get good looking people, thats thier problem. You should work on your problem, not hope they change thier problem

Yes, we are experts of unending nature. If you read his article, it says historically only 37% of men reproduced compared to 67% of women. The natural state is that most men don't reproduce. We upended nature by inventing marriage, which bumped that number up to 80%. Sadly, marriage is in decline and we are going back to 37%. Very tragic.

Just shower bro!

Being labelled a creep has massive social ramifications given the criminal connotations the word “creep” has. If there’s a double standard here, then it’s not the responsibility of the unnattractive man to change his looks (assuming that’s even possible, which it typically isn’t) to avoid being stigmatized and possibly imprisoned. “Then tough” is simply a tacit acknowledgement that you believe it’s unreasonable for ugly men to expect a modicum of decency of femoids.

well if that's tough and they have the right to only want chad we should have the right to complain about it

Women can choose who they are creeped out by, not denying that. We are just pointing out they are choosing to be creeped out by ugly guys. Women are repulsed by attention from physically unattractive men. We didn't ask for advice, and your advice wasn't anything we haven't heard before. You're telling a subreddit made for complaining about women not to complain. Good luck with that.

Please for fucks sake leave this sub. We've heard this a million times before and it rings as true now as it did previously i.e. not at all.

Notice how often female fantasy media show romantic stalkers, for example, like in the standard vampire-meets-girl story.

Exactly. Same with 50 Shades of Grey which is one of the highest selling books. Some plain looking girl gets stalked by some billionaire handsome chad. THAT is the female fantasy.

If Fernando the Argentinian Antonio Banderas-look alike with long black locks and a sexy latin accent sent flowers to a girl's workplace after a few weeks she would get fucking wet. It's all about the face

That's true, definitely. But the thing with girls is if youre "approaching them", you probably aren't the only one, and they know the whole song an dance that they have to do with dudes they dont want to deal with and because of previous experiences, think if they show any interest you are going to be some weirdo that wont go away because its happened before. Of course with this barrage she is going to want it to happen on her own terms, and go for the guy she thinks is good looking, OR happens to like for whatever reason. I think the whole blackpill philosophy is real, but in response to that being the best version of you you can be is the best you can do, and if not go full St. Elliot(or less extreme) and be a full menace to society. This type of thin has probably been said before but I just finally found the new incarnation of /r/incels

I used to get called creepy all the time. 100% your fault dude. See, a lot of people on here like to complain when we say shit like "Women can tell you're a cunt" because they think that we're making this shit up. They think its impossible for somebody to know what is on their mind unless they verbalise it. Except it is, and its called body language. Most people have to be trained, fairly extensively, to avoid giving shit away through body language. However, unless you're autistic as fuck like me, pretty much everybody has the ingrained ability to read that language. So if people are calling you creepy, they're reading your body language and seeing your intents towards them and a lot of information about your present mental state. And they don't like it.

Tl;DR - Women are not magic mind readers. Women are not claiming that you are subhuman. You are just painfully unaware of how people communicate in real life.

I'm still waiting for you to respond to the email and pm's I sent you weeks ago.

I messaged you

Whenenver you hear a female tell a story about a "creepy" guy, its the story about an ugly guy doing something Chad would have got no troubling doing. Only the attractiveness of the individual mattes in terms of creepiness.

Yep. This is why I never listen when bluepillers say "have you actually approached any women?" No. Of course I haven't. Because I don't want to be arrested and vilified by society for the crime of being an ugly man who fancies someone and does something about it. Because me even talking to my female colleagues is a risk to my safety and freedom.

Creepiness = ugliness. Creepiness is, in our society, a crime. Don't criticise me for playing the hand I'm dealt.

If you are ugly and socially awkward women look at you like a creep.

creepy is a euphemism for ugly

any approach by you probably falls under creepy

No, just approaches that express inappropriate and alarming levels of interest right out of the gate. It's creepy to give someone who isn't your girlfriend gifts or send things to her workplace when she hasn't shared personal information with you. It means someone she doesn't know well was researching her and is now aggressively pursuing her. As a woman, you are constantly aware of the possibility of being stalked or assaulted; odds are either you or someone you know has already experienced one of these things. So it can be frightening when someone starts making big romantic overtures out of left field--what else might they do? When you ask a girl out, she ideally shouldn't be completely blindsided--it helps to lay a foundation with friendship, first. Which brings me to:

“it just happened” or... “we just started talking”

Read: We got acquainted in a normal way, then our friendship evolved into a relationship. Either party may have made the first move, but in both these cases, the couple probably started out just talking, and maybe casually socializing. If a woman is already familiar with you and likes you, she may or may not want to go on a date, but asking her out (once!) won't seem creepy, at least if you're willing to take no for an answer.

Things that are creepy:

always being around me/in my personal space but never actually acknowledging me.

Constantly staring at me from a distance but never actually saying anything.

Showing up at my place of work when you have zero reason to know where i work. Let alone showing up frequently when you have no practical reason to be there.

Refusing to make eye contact or smile back when I smile at you.

Refusing to talk to me if I talk to you first.

Leaving unexplained notes or gifts when we have never interacted in person.

Muttering under your breath or talking to the ground instead of to me.

These things are not normal social behavior. They set off alarm bells for a reason no matter what you look like...it means I cant read you. Your body language, eye contact, and tone of voice are important factors in deciding if i feel safe around you. Its not your face, its the non verbal red flags that put you on my creep radar.

None of those things have anything to do with appearance though. Its non verbal cues and body language that indicate youre able to function on a socially normal level. I understand how frustrating it can be if you're shy, anxious, or socially awkward (im married to an aspy, he gets really mad at himself sometimes) but the fact...its the behavior thats the issue.

Not understanding that its the offputting behavior rather than physical appearance is a pretty solid sign that some incels have a fundamental misunderstanding of their social awareness. Which sucks. It really does. Women are just biologically programmed to find certain behaviors off putting.

Seriously, I'll mace you

Wow. Projecting much?

Stay lonely, slim

Nice comeback.

I don’t think that is true. Good looking guys can be creepy too.

Ignoring the first bit.

No. It isn't. Public shaming isn't cool either but it fucking happens. You guys are probably the worst stain on reddit but you are here. Credence is a thing, but necessity is another. There is credence in shaming, normally. That doesn't mean it is needed or right.

If that is true, then tough. It is the women's choice as to who they are creeped out by. You can moan all you want about how unfair life is, or you can work on making yourself look as good as you can possibly be. Even if you have an unattractive face, an attractive haircut, body, personality are all achievable by people who are willing to get on with it and change. Those who continue to wallow in self-pity will never get anywhere

I'm no looker and I've literally written porn about somebody I was trying to nail and have been actively praised for it. Makes a pretty good substitute for nudes if you look like shit, by the way.

Notice how often female fantasy media show romantic stalkers, for example, like in the standard vampire-meets-girl story.

Exactly. Same with 50 Shades of Grey which is one of the highest selling books. Some plain looking girl gets stalked by some billionaire handsome chad. THAT is the female fantasy.