I’ll put my mouth wherever you’d like if you’ll pay me.

Yeah, that's why I have no respect for femoids. 100% of the roasties you see on the street have put a dick in their mouths and likely have done much worse. Femoids disgust me.

I get disgusting visuals whenever I see a roastie in any other context, trying to act like her willing sexual degradation doesn't define her when it does. All it takes is a mental image and you are reminded you are dealing with an object.

That's why we need to bring slut shaming back.

You guys are some of the most ridiculous people I've ever heard. You all talk so cult like and sound so pathologic. The worst part has got to be the retardation you all seem to suffer from, though. Your logic is like a vicious cycle of a cluster fuck of mental disorders and social insecurities.

"Women are objects. We should shame them for having sex, while also trying to have sex with them."

And I've had quite a few pussies on my tongue too.

Who gives a fuck?

But most men don't, because it's disgusting and degrading. Femoids see no problem with that, that's why they do it.

You think most men have never gone down on a woman? Because that seems incredibly unlikely

I love it when they say stupid shit like that.

But most men don't, because it's disgusting and degrading.

Oral sex is a pretty ordinary part of human sexual activity. There's nothing disgusting (assuming everyone is clean) or degrading (assuming everyone likes what's happening) about any of it.

But most men don't

Uh huh. Sure, guys don't eat women out. You keep believing that.

"most men don't"

BAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHA

Most men do that. It’s very very rare that a guy won’t do that and if he won’t you can bet it will be a huge topic of discussion with all her friends most likely followed by a breakup. It’s just a blank part of sex. You gotta grow up. This is just normal adult stuff. People have sex. People have had other partners. If people can get laid they often do. If you can’t get over your partner being with someone else in the past you are DOOMED.

It's good your single if you feel that way. Your gf would be missing out

But most men don't, because it's disgusting and degrading.

WOW. Keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night.

Lol this is such sad evidence that you know absolutely nothing about people--men, women, sex, the whole lot of it.

Oral sex is a pretty normal, 'vanilla', unremarkable part of sex for like 90% of people.

“Femoids disgust me”

Then why are you a member of a sub that directly laments the fact that you can’t have sex with one?

"have put a dick in their mouths and likely have done much WORSE" as if being sexually active is a bad thing lmao, since when do sexual activities get a rating between bad-worse-worst lol you guys are honestly so full of shit

The real question is, who is putting their mouths on other people's assholes ironically?

"Mmm hmmmehhh, bwwwwh!"

"What?"

"Oh, sorry, I said 'no homo, bro'"

If your balls touch then the 'no homo' is annulled. Gotta be careful.

If they have on socks it's not gay

The socks just make it even less gay. But you still gotta say 'no homo' and avoid having your balls touch.

It's fun

it's objectively gross

The thought of my future partner having had another man's penis inside her mouth disturbs me greatly.

As it should. I will never understand normies that think having had more sexual partners is a good thing. That's pretty cucky. And the stats show that the more premarital partners a female has the more likely she is to get divorced.

Honest question, is this a defense mechanism you employ? Like, a girl who has lots of sex is worse, so most girls are worse, and therefore I don't need to feel bad about not being with them?

You already know the answer to that. That is basically the incel shtick in a nutshell, sour grapes.

Yeah, I was just curious if he was introspective enough to realize it. He wasn't.

is this a defense mechanism you employ

A defense mechanism for what? I'm not sure what you are asking.

Like, a girl who has lots of sex is worse, so most girls are worse, and therefore I don't need to feel bad about not being with them?

What? When did I say "a girl who has lots of sex is worse, so most girls are worse"? And when did I say I did not "feel bad about not being with" females?

A defence mechanism in psychology is something someone does or thinks to avoid negative states of mind (mainly sadness). This seems like something you have rationalized to yourself as a means to avoid sadness.

You didn't say it explicitly, but the fact that you agreed with the person who said they were disturbed by the thought of a future partner having had another man's penis in her mouth (as well as your other negative comments on the subject) says it all.

A defence mechanism in psychology is something someone does or thinks to avoid negative states of mind (mainly sadness).

I know that. I do not know what specifically you think I supposedly have a defense mechanism for.

This seems like something you have rationalized to yourself as a means to avoid sadness.

If that were the case then I have failed on that part. But no, whatever you think is a defense mechanism that I have created is not.

You didn't say it explicitly, but the fact that you agreed with the person who said they were disturbed by the thought of a future partner having had another man's penis in her mouth (as well as your other negative comments on the subject) says it all.

Says what? Why are incels not allowed to have a preference? Why is a 'negative comment' something you are implying is a defense mechanism? You have made quite a lot of assumptions based on very very little.

I will never understand normies that think having had more sexual partners is a good thing.

Any guy that's fucked both a virgin as well as an experienced woman will tell you the difference is night and day. You daydream of your untouched virgin waifus, I'll take a woman who can really work a dick every single time.

Okay? Why are you trying to bragpost here of all places?

You just called that guy a cuck, was he not supposed to respond?

When did I call him a cuck? I never responded to him. My post was in response to rank1loser.

If you say "everyone who believes this is a cuck," you just called everyone who believes that a cuck.

Okay. When did I say that?

And why are normies allowed to say things like "All incels are misogynists" yet when we respond we are berated?

Okay. What's the meaningful distinction between "that's cucky" and "you're a cuck for that"?

I'm not berating you, I'm asking why you think he wasn't right to defend his feelings.

What's the meaningful distinction between "that's cucky" and "you're a cuck for that"?

Adjective vs noun. I was describing the fact that it is more cuck-like than not to desire a female that is more promiscuous but did not state that it makes you a full blown cuck.

I'm not berating you

I never said you were.

I'm asking why you think he wasn't right to defend his preferences.

I never said he could could not 'defend his preferences' and that is not what you asked. You specifically said that I called him a cuck and used that as the reason for why he posted and I told you that I did not do that.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I could understand these basic mistakes if English is not your first language, but your posts read much more like a native yet you seem not to be able to comprehend very simple posts.

That isn't a meaningful distinction, I don't think anyone would react differently to being directly insulted than to being indirectly insulted.

In high school, I had a friend who would always receive tests back and immediately complain to the teacher about how they were always technically correct, or that the questions were phrased poorly and she was misled, and she really should get those points back. Even though most of the other students understood the My teacher told me "she's in for a hard time in the real world if she doesn't cut that out." That is to say that I think you might be in the midst of a hard time.

Except I did not insult. I stated the fact that it is more cuck-like than not. Why are you normies so easily triggered by words?

"I didn't insult you. I merely said that your behavior is more bitchy than it is not. Why are you so easily triggered by words?"

Come on, friend.

He might feel he's bragging but the slight increase in sexual pleasure doesn't even marginally make up for the unavoidable implication that comes with your partner knowing how to 'really work a dick'. That's nothing to brag about.

What if it was just extensive experience with one man? Would that taint someone as much as you suggest?

She would be less desensitized to feelings of love but still damaged. After maybe five men my disgust reaches maximum levels and levels out; I don't really feel any different knowing a woman has met and been charmed by and laughed with and held hands with and fucked five men or five hundred.

So you and only you are so super special that you want to lay total and utter claim to a female's sexual identity in order to validate your masculinity? You lot will be virgins forever. We don't feel sorry for you.

How csn you even trust your own views of sex?

Normal people dont care if their partners have had a sexual life before them.. amd actually past the age of, say, 21, it is expected, and actually being a virgin is almost an automatic rejection, because there must be something wrong with you if nobody cared to fuck you yet.

Which sucks to you guys!

Because you guys get angry about it and that's funny.

I can understand that though most of us are angry so much as we just get sad after remembering what we have never gotten to experience.

You're venturing into too real territory for him. Say something not so real so that he can justify making fun of sad men who are emotionally stunted from years of rejection.

I'll never understand the need for non virgins to come here and bully virgin men who are already suffering loneliness and pain, dealing with it the only way they know how without putting a shotgun down their throats. I don't agree with some of the opinions here either, but fuck off if you don't like the crassness of the sub.

Because you guys spout a hell of a lot of negativity and hatred based on fantasies. Some people want to come in and remind you people that the lies you tell yourselves about women and virgins and normies aren't actually helping you or anyone else, and offering another perspective that maybe might help someone be less angry and hateful.

Another perspective is making fun of virgins, bragging about your girlfriend you'll be fucking later that night while the incel is crying into a pillow.

Yeah I see that kind of advice and perspective everyday from outsiders in this sub. A lot of you guys are children and should fuck off somewhere else if you're that sensitive to words and ideas.

I don't know bro. I could never eat a woman's pussy knowing a man has put his penis in it and came in it.

The thought makes me want to vomit. How did you overcome this feeling?

That's the last thing on your mind in that moment.

The other man’s semen is not still in there.

Your woman might have have vomited in her lifetime. Are you ok with kissing her? In your logic, wouldn’t that be like basically eating vomit?

That's her own fluids not another man's. I could not cope with knowing that another man choked and fucked her while she called him "daddy".

Ah ok, gotcha. Not a physical problem, an emotional one.

Most people would rather not know those kinds of details. Most mature partners don't share that kind of stuff with their significant others.

In the moment, you don't actually think that analytically about what's happening. You guys all think sex is a certain way lol but it's not the way you are imagining it in your heads.

There is no difference whatsoever. The only time a woman demonstrates skill in the bedroom is when she's giving head. If your girl's sucked a lot of dick, she'll be good at that.

But during the actual sex act, 100% of women just lie there and get pounded. The main determinant of whether or not a woman is "good in bed" is how enthusiastic she is.

This is 100% wrong

lol wow this is somehow even sadder than never having sex

Wow. You win the most clueless post of the day award.

Lol I love how this sub is filled with guys who tell themselves how sex, relationships and women are based on absolutely no experience whatsoever. You watch porn and movies and morph that into real life in your heads. It's sad and fascinating at the same time.

I love how this sub is filled with trolls who immediately jump on me for questioning the roastie narrative

I kinda have the same question as BWid55. I don’t think I necessarily want my partner to have had more sexual partners. Unless she’s caught an STI, It’s just usually not such a big deal. Virgins are hard to deal with and sexually repressed women are terrible in bed.

My partner has only had sex with one more person than I, and only one other guy was good in bed. One of them had a huge dick but came in like 8 seconds, couldn’t get hard again, lost his sex drive AND told all his friends she was a slut. Another couldn’t get it up; he’s dating guys now. Another kept insisting on anal and never made her cum, and tried to physically stop her from leaving. And the last one had a tiny dick, came after 5 minutes and didn’t want to give oral. So I don’t really feel particularly cucked.

I don’t really feel particularly cucked.

Literally know all about the details of the sex she had with multiple men before you

Okay.

Virgins are hard to deal with

lol Try being one that is berated by normies regularly.

I don't know what the point of your post was. You say you do not feel cucked. Okay. So what?

Of course I know the details. I’m like her best friend. We just happen to also fuck regularly,

And I used to be a berated virgin. When I said they’re hard to deal with, I meant female virgins

Of course I know the details. I’m like her best friend.

I do not follow the logic here.

We just happen to also fuck regularly,

So you are just degenerates with benefits?

And I used to be a berated virgin.

Doubtful, but okay.

When I said they’re hard to deal with, I meant female virgins

I know. My response was in jest.

Best friends tell each other stuff. Ask for advice. I don’t believe in “degeneracy”. Mainly because it seems to be arbitrary as fuck and has no authority. Don’t really see a problem with enjoying safe consensual sex. And yeah I lost my virginity at 18. High school was hell.

Best friends tell each other stuff.

Like the details of her sex life? Normies are strange.

Mainly because it seems to be arbitrary as fuck

Hardly.

Don’t really see a problem with enjoying safe consensual sex.

Except for the increased rate of divorce for every nonmarital sexual partner a female has had. The growing number of single mothers that will thus lead to a greater welfare state giving the government more power and influence. Or all of this.

High school was hell.

lol Yes it was.

I get those details even from friends I’m not fucking, so it’s really not an issue. Who determines what is or isn’t degenerate? I also don’t really care about marriage other than for legal purposes. And safe sex implies birth control, meaning less single mums.

I get those details even from friends I’m not fucking

Normies truly are strange.

Who determines what is or isn’t degenerate?

Does the act bring some form of society decay? Then it is degenerate. I provided you with some of the reasons that sexual promiscuity is bad. Unless you somehow think that having more single mothers, more STDs, more big government, less happiness, less stable marriages which mean children that end up worse off. etc are all good things then it is degenerate to engage in sexual promiscuity.

I also don’t really care about marriage other than for legal purposes.

Your loss then.

And safe sex implies birth control, meaning less single mums.

And sexual promiscuity means more sex and thus higher rates of contraceptive failure. This is not mentioning the increasing abortion rates and rates of single motherhood which indicate either less contraceptive use or higher failure rates (who would have thought that just letting people fuck like animals could lead to this, oh wait anyone with a brain could have realized this).

Agree to disagree I guess. Protection, contraception and proper sex Ed deals with pretty much every issue you listed. I doubt that the failure rates would increase that much. Especially if we also concentrated on making them safer and more effective. The internet can bring about social decay. Yet here you are.

Protection, contraception and proper sex Ed deals with pretty much every issue you listed

Except it does not. I gave you the stats. We have all those things right now and they have only gotten better and more accessible over time, but it has changed nothing. I also do not know how you expect protection to lead to increased rates of happiness. Even the females that did not become single mothers but were promiscuous report lower rates of happiness. But you are a normie so I guess I should expect you to go to great lengths to justify such things in spite of facts. It's rare that a normie actually acknowledges the facts when I provide them.

I doubt that the failure rates would increase that much.

If you roll a die one time you are less likely to roll a 6 than if you roll it a hundred times. Yes they rise.

The internet can bring about social decay.

Indeed, but that decay is centered much more around the use of social media as higher social media consumption is linked with increased rates of loneliness and unhappiness. I would also assume that it is linked to higher somewhat suicide rates, but have not seen stats on that. I do not use social media. There is also the decay from pornography use that can be very destructive for men and why I advocate that incels stop watching porn or at the very least use it less.

Like I said, agree to disagree. I’m more interested in safe sex than in parenthood or the effect my Willy has on society. I also don’t have a problem with first trimester abortion. Luckily my current partner has a DIU so it’s not even on the radar

Like I said, agree to disagree.

I do not do such idiotic things, but will end the argument here if that is what you want. I have provided you with facts and you have elected to ignore them. There can be no common ground on which we can have a useful argument if you choose to ignore facts.

Good day.

Wait, if you think abstaining from sex outside of the marriage bed increases happiness, why are incels so miserable? By your premise, shouldn't they be happier than the degenerate normies?

Did you even look at the charts I posted? They show that females are the ones that are less happy in their marriage if they had more premarital partners. If you want to try to create a 'gotcha' question then at least put in the minimum effort of looking at the facts.

You guys just want to trap a clueless woman into lifelong marriage so you won't have to be alone and you can masturbate with her pussy whenever you want as a way to validate your masculinity and existence.

Women (PEOPLE in general) know they have options, so yes, having more relationship experience would lead to more breakups, including divorce. When it's not 1800 anymore women can have jobs and decide they don't like you because you're a weird jerk, and they know your behavior is not acceptable because they haven't been sheltered from the world.

I live in the Middle East. You people want a woman shrouded in the abaya and niqab, who has her own wing of the house where no one can ever see here, who doesn't so much as touch or speak to any other man. Your perfect little waifu fantasy. Because women aren't people, they are receptacles for your privileged virgin cum.

So like 5 guys have put their penis in her vagina, came inside it, etc. How are you okay with giving her oral knowing all those dicks have been inside her pussy and came all over it? That would be a huge mental hurdle for me.

That’s like asking me if I’m ok with giving oral knowing it’s roughly the same area as where she pees.

Because she has good hygiene and is STI-free. Knowing that she always has sex with a condom helps.

If it’s a hurdle for you, then I’m afraid sex isn’t for you.

Maybe your right about sex not being for me. I don't think I could cope with knowing 10 other men kissed, choked, throatfucked, and sexually dominated and ravaged my current wife or girlfriend.

It’s part of growing up. I used to feel the same way when I was a teen.

Honestly, this kind of reminds me of my mentality when I was a teen whose only real exposure to female sexuality was through porn. Most people don't think about their partners getting sexually degraded by other men, especially not when they're having sex with her.

Just even it out by choking, throatfucking and sexually dominating 10 women before getting married.

Sex isnt generally like that, however, take it from someone who has had sex before.

I think you highly overestimate how adventurous the majority of women and men are lol. Life is not a porn movie. What is this thread's obsession with choking?

5 guys

Lmao dude this is average for like an 18 year old. I'm not even an ITer bro but just get your beliefs in line with reality.

I mean, wouldn't the bigger hurdle be finding someone who would want their vagina in your face in the first place? You guys are really delusional.

Sex with someone who has no idea what they are doing is shit.

Nonsense.

Get over it

It certainly does seem weird that all the clothed population walking the streets have at some point in time revealed their sagging, disgusting bodies of flesh and rubbed against another partner, mewling in heat akin to wildebeest.

Because you exist? You think you were delivered via stork??

I’ve licked my girlfriends ass, albeit we both found it wasn’t anything we cared for.

She deepthroats me all the time. I’m 6.5-7” roughly and I know I’d vomit, lol.

I’ve eaten her out, although not nearly as much as I should. I just get too excited and move to sex, but I’ll work on that.

I’ve had several FWB in college. Just no strings attached, meaningless sex. It gets old after a while, imo, and I personally begin getting frustrated at not being cared for as an individual.

I’ve booty called this one girl multiple times. It was kinda weird how willing she was. I texted her for head once and she said “sure yeah but we gotta make it quick because I have class soon”. To this day it strikes me as a line from a shitty teen drama but, it happened (I’m being real candid with you here just so you know.)

I’ve been in one “threesome”. That is, I was fucking one girl, then after that made out with her while a bisexual chick jerked me off while making out with another chick, who was lesbian (and not doing anything to me). Tbh it was a bad night, I ended up catching an STD (thankfully got it treated and cured!)

Never been a part of a gangbang and tbh never really want to try, but I’m pretty sure they happen? I heard there was a community for them on Craigslist. But don’t look for porn models lol, they’re all average Joes and Jolinas, if you catch my drift.

You can DM me if you want, I technically don’t have proof for all of this but I legit don’t have a reason to make it up. Lying on the internet is such a waste of time.

I’m 6.5-7” roughly and I know I’d vomit, lol.

Really had to mention that didn't you.

It’s the topic at hand and idk OPs definition of deepthroating. For all I know he could mean when girls go down on monster cocks or something, just putting things into perspective. Sorry.

nobody asked for your blog post

Sorry if it offends lol

no one cares

You cared enough to whine about it I suppose.

The fucking humblebrag.

Lel

Or why the fuck else did you have to tell incels off all people about your sex life?

Because the discussion was about whether or not sex happens? He wondered? Lol put 2 and 2 together, kid. Hint: it’s not 5 or 3

And so you had to waltz in and tell him about your sex life when he didn't ask for it in the first place. You're not telling him how sex happens, you're rubbing it in peoples faces.

I’m giving an example, an anecdote, of what he was curious about. You being butthurt to all hell doesn’t change the intentions behind what I did.

I stumbled upon this post, read the question, and gave some examples. If OP has questions, I def gave him the option to PM me, and I openly invite him to! I’m sorry if it hurt your feelings, but it shouldn’t. People have sex, all day, every day. If you can’t deal with that, you’re gonna have a bad time, to quote one of my favorite South Park episodes.

I can deal with people having sex.

I can't deal with jackasses rubbing their supposed superiority in peoples faces by humblebragging, and that's what your comment looks like. My feelings aren't hurt, you're just kind of a jackass.

I don’t feel superior, you just perceived my comment wrong. Looks to me like there’s something wrong on your end.

suuure

Your comment reads like you bragging your ass off on an incel board.

I have no way to prove my intentions to you, so I’m going to give up because frankly, it’s a lost cause with no actual point.

Nope, then you'd convince me that you're not here to brag.

completely average

6.5-7''

completely average

Ohhhkay.

Is it not? I’m being serious.

Roughly in the 90th percentile of all people, two deviations above the norm (5.5''). Above average.

What fucking ego boost😂 wtf. Nobody is sitting here in awe at me. I just have you, bitching. How does that inflate my ego? What flawed logic.

You bragging about how awesome your sex life is to a board of sexless depressed people isn't an ego boost?

Could've fooled me. Didn't you want to fuck off?

My sex life isn’t awesome, it just existed. To be frank, I’ve had a lot of identity issues I’ve only solved very recently due to my promiscuity.

I can see where you see it as humblebragging. I promise it wasn’t. In hindsight I shouldn’t have made the comment at all, my bad. Do you recommend deleting it?

That would be up to you, you can also leave it up if you can make your intention clearer somehow. If you do delete it, let me know and I'll delete this side of the convo as well.

I’m going to delete it. Sorry.

Very well. Apologies for being a dick.

A lot of that's porn territory though. Most couples have a pretty regular routine and aren't going to start choking each other, even if they have just watched fifty shades.

I don't know how common casual hook ups are really, I think Tinder and all that make it look like everyone's fucking everyone else but it's not representative of my sex life or that of the majority of my friends.

I do have one female friend who's very disinhibited sexually but it's just who she is.

disinhibited sexually

That's an interesting synonym for whore.

Whore implies that she's a cheater, to me anyway. She's never done that, but she loves sex and is open about it.

You could have just said “whore” and you would have said the same thing with less characters.

No, there's a distinction. She's never upset or hurt anyone with her behaviour. No abandoned girlfriends, no STDs, no unplanned bundles of joy.

It doesn’t matter. Whores are whores because they act out immoral behavior.

Absolute morality is a dangerous game.

How so.

Well the classic example is theft. You could reasonably take the position that stealing is wrong, and should be punished.

But is it always wrong, or wrong to the same extent? There's a difference between an honest man driven to steal food for his family and a multi-millionaire banker misappropriating pension funds.

Absolute morality does not allow for nuance or circumstance, and I think it's very flawed.

It absolutely does allow for nuance, identifying acts as morally wrong doesn’t preclude consideration of the severity of said wrongs. And by the way, something doesn’t have to be “evil”, illegal, or even directly harmful to be morally wrong. And morally absolute claims can vary in intensity. No one would claim a whore is worse than a child molester, even though they’re both morally bankrupt, just to vastly different degrees.

Take an alcoholic for instance. In fact, lets make this guy the most sympathetic alcoholic we possibly can. He’s a divorced father ruined by child support payments, his life is completely ruined and now he drinks himself drunk every hour of every day. Is his alcoholism still wrong? Is he a bad person?

Yes, Is morally wrong, and I would argue he is even a bad person. Just because he has a bad life, and therefore a “reason” to drink himself half to death everyday doesn’t change the fact that that there is absolutely nothing positive about drunkenness and that he is lesser for having succumbed to it.

I’m sure you’ve heard of the expression, “hate the sin, love the sinner”. In identifying acts as absolutely morally wrong, yet understanding that human beings are fundamentally flawed and prone to foolishness allows a society to stigmatize disgusting behavior and at the same time give a helping hand to those who deserve it. Our homeless drunk, while made a bad person by his immoral behavior, is still human after all, and can therefore heal. The key is in acknowledging his humanity, not in naively dismissing his behavior.

I think we might be coming at this from different directions. Look at the example of 'whore'. The absolute morality you hold says that by sleeping with more than whatever you deem to be the acceptable amount of men my friend is a whore, definitively. I'm looking at the circumstances. If a woman knowingly sleeps with attached men, or acquires and spreads STDs, or carelessly gets pregnant, she's causing harm to others and society, you're right to disapprove of her behaviour. But to my mind, if people who like to sleep around are responsible and careful not to distress others then it's essentially null morally for everyone else.

I also don't believe in a god so I don't have any absolute basis for a moral code- I stick by the golden rule. So like I say we might not agree on this one.

Attitudes, not just actions, have consequences. Individuals must treat meaningful and potentially life changing actions with respect, lest the actual value of said actions be lost. The modern conception of sex and family is now a complete mockery of what it used to be. No longer is sex a means for creating a family and bringing something beautiful into the world. People, young people especially, see sex as only a tool of pleasure, even its ability to engender intimacy comes second to its hedonistic vice. One need only look at the attitudes in this sub to see how out of control this attitude towards sex has become.

I realize sex has always been somewhat hedonistic in nature, but society has never, until very recently, been so blase about it. Society used to have standards, standards that arose after thousands of years of human development. These attitudes that humans had generated, cross-culturally mind you, were not accidental, they weren't backwards, they were conclusions based on thousands of years of social evolution. Now we're beginning to see the consequences of betraying them.

Your friend may not be """hurting""" anyone, but that doesn't excuse her. She exhibits behavior that violates some of the most fundamental of society's now forsaken mores. Mores that the modern world need rediscover.

You are disapproving of something you desperately want. If you were to meet my friend, you would desire her, but you would feel compelled to write her off as a whore. That way, you could dismiss her as being of no value, and you could guiltlessly imagine fucking her any which way later.

Until relatively recently in human history, women were possessions. Passed from father to husband in marriage, to the sons when she was widowed. A commodity. I think some incels want to go back to those times, when society assigned you a woman of equal rank and you didn't have to consider her rights- because she didn't have any.

But we can't go back to that, and this is why. Women have responsibility now in a way they didn't in the past. Most families can't survive on a single wage now, so the women take up the slack. Women are their own legal entities, who can own property and get into debt- there's no male guardian obliged to pay it off. More than half of medical students in the UK are female. Women are integral to society in a way that mean that if you forced all of them to stay at home things would rapidly collapse.

Now whether you like this state of affairs or not, women have more sexual freedom in the West now than they've ever had. Some of them go bananas with it, like my friend, some sleep around a bit and then settle down, and some wait, if not for marriage then at least for love, like I did. I see a lot of posts on here about how women should have their sexuality controlled by men, but women have bodily autonomy just as men do.

It comes down to this. If a woman is seen as a child, she is not responsible for herself and cannot be trusted to make decisions regarding her own body, much as you would not allow a child to get a tattoo. But if she's an adult, who is responsible for her actions, you can't then expect her to allow a man to control what she does with her sexual organs. Like I say, you can disapprove, but you must allow a woman to act for herself, rightly or wrongly.

You are disapproving of something you desperately want. If you were to meet my friend, you would desire her, but you would feel compelled to write her off as a whore. That way, you could dismiss her as being of no value, and you could guiltlessly imagine fucking her any which way later

Despite the sub we're BOTH posting in, I'm not an incel. I'm here simply because I like the shitposting on this sub. Also, I'm hardly straight. Can't remember the last time I fantasized about fucking a woman.

In regards to your diatribe regarding women as "commodities" and how I want to control them... you're completely incorrect. I do not want to control women. I just want a better, more traditional morality for society to be adopted. This doesn't mean that women are to be made to conform, or that their autonomy should be stripped away, just that they should uphold this morality themselves. I never said, nor even implied, that women should stay at home or are to be controlled by men. You're projecting and have failed to address, much less rebut, literally anything I said.

Why should they uphold the morality you have decided upon? Because it's asking them to take a step backwards. Retreating into the past for 'traditional' morality can have value, but you're still trying to impose it on people who have nothing to gain from it.

Is it just the sexual morality you wish to change?

don't underestimate the depths of human depravity

I can't even fathom it. Like, I literally cannot realistically see how you go from meeting a girl for the first time -> sex. It's so alien to me.

just be neurotypical bro!

The crazy part is how often that path takes between 30 minutes and 2 hours.

I mean I can explain from the man's POV. Pretty simple. Meet girl, talk to her, be charming, funny, make a move, if she reciprocates wait until she gets heated enough to take her back to your place.

One time a girl on tinder was like hey Im in town for a bit, can you bring weed to my hotel room?

So i bought some weed with the expectation that she would scheme me and that would be the end of htat, but I'd have a funny story. Nope, we sit at the hotel bar, have a glass of wine, smoke the weed, then she says "well, so you coming up?" and we fuck. Best fuck of my life. Still see her occasionally.

Relationship is in between those things

Not most of the time for millennials. Most go straight to casual sex and then maybe build a relationship from that.

No, no not really.

Tinder

And I as a Normie can't imagine what it's like to be you. From the first time I wanted sex I have it when I want it. It was never hard, and I'm not even a Chad, just A regular dude.

You should be happy. What are you doing here? Oh you're just full of shit hahaha

People who have tons of sex generally don't feel the need to brag about it on the internet. Especially on an incel forum lol.

13 hours ago

Still no response, lmao.

Dat humblebrag.

Thanks for the laff

I can see that. I’m married, have a kid. And sometimes I’ll even stop and think how close the fun parts are to the waste parts and go, why do we do this for fun too?

What’s up with the design flaw, God?

I like to masturbate ironically.

Yes, but I'm sure not for the same reason you're unnerved.

I think some of thi is just porn, which is probably the most damaging part about it. But yeah, there is a whole another world out there.

I don't get it too. I mean the mission of getting a girl's number is beyond me let alone putting a piece of my meat inside her body. How do they do it?

I just fiddle around with her hole until she starts moaning and then I get turned off knowing that her dad would be ashamed of what she is.

Yes, I some times feel like sex is a lie to make us look stupid.

I still have not witnessed or even heard anything resembling the act of sex in real life

somehow I have dormed in college for 5 years, including two semesters living right next to Division I college athletes, and never even heard the sounds of people having sex. Is it just a meme?

damn you're lucky, must have been some polite PC chads! I live in a dorm of a rather prestigous university with mostly collected and wholesome people, but on major holidays can hear whores screaming down the hall as though their cunts were being torn open.

Sex doesn't "actually happen", that's the biggest and most devastating lie you can tell yourself as an incel. The facts are, I've never seen sex happen, I've never heard it happen, and I've never met anyone who's ever been witness to any sexual activity as far as I know. Now, think about this yourself. Who do you know that has actually observed any sex and can prove it? Exactly, nobody. Seriously, the only "evidence" that the trolls can even point to that such an absurd thing has ever occurred is internet pornography which is suspect. If porn is evidence of sex having happened, then the movie ET is proof that aliens have visited Earth before. Get real! Nobody sticks their appendages into the holes of other people like that! If that were what people did, then every day I would see people recreationally sticking their fingers and toes into each other's ears and eye-sockets on the bus and around town. I've never seen that even once!

What? Are you trolling?

I love you

The top 20% of men (Chad) are fucking the top 80% of women and the middle 40% of men (normies) are competing for the bottom 20% of women. Chad is horny and often drunk; women want to be validated by Chad or the closest thing they can manage to Chad. There are also horny incels with money and shameless uneducated women who want money. As with many things in life, it seems unfathomable to you because you're too ugly to catch even a glimpse of it for yourself.

It isn't. All of this happened when I was in an LTR. It is all for real. There is a very small minority of incels who don't experience this. it is absolute suffering not experiencing this. You can't imagine the insane dopamine rush you get from sex. It is better than food, better than alcohol, better than video games. It is amazing.

I get some of these guys but this is just retarded. How you think we procreate?

"Mmm hmmmehhh, bwwwwh!"

"What?"

"Oh, sorry, I said 'no homo, bro'"

She would be less desensitized to feelings of love but still damaged. After maybe five men my disgust reaches maximum levels and levels out; I don't really feel any different knowing a woman has met and been charmed by and laughed with and held hands with and fucked five men or five hundred.

What? Are you trolling?

I love you