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You need a friend man. If you play Xbox pm me you gt.

Go see a therapist lmao

nice dude lmao

lmao

lmao

Well at least you had Chad on your side. That's always nice

To make the gym look good

Its cope to say that Chads are bad people. I've seen some of the kindest, most humble people being chads.

A lot of women like to be like "the good looking men are assholes anyways."

Lol, nope.

This.

Chads are always the nicest guys because they've had nothing but positive experiences with other people their whole lives giving them a positive outlook on life. The nicest guys at my high school were the uber popular Chads. The bullies were ugly/average looking Norman wannabe Chads and the Stacey's were usually not nice but that makes sense since they are female.

Yup!

The most asshole guys were your typical normans. I think normans are the assholes usually with ugly and good looking guys being the nicest.

All the people who have ever been assholes to me were normies who were shorter and uglier than me, but above me on the social ladder because of my extreme autism and social weirdness.

What’s a Norman?

Normal guys.

My bullies were Chads, so you're wrong.

People who take the gym seriously, and don’t do it for instagram followers actually care if people are being put down.

I am sorry you had to encounter fake bitches getting in their daily “I work out teehee” selfies. It happens, unfortunately.

I’m glad people stuck up for you, and I hope this experience did not turn you off of whatever you’re hopeful for.

Man, I have to say that guy's in the gym have always been super nice and cool. Women, however, can be catty bitches and completely inconsiderate of other gym goers.

I'll explain it to you since you're too fucking dumb to understand. Of course they "stood up" for you. If they allow people to make fun of their gym goers they'll lose their business. Everyone is there for self improvement, so they can't allow that to happen.

So no. They don't actually care about an ethnic subhuman like yourself, they care about their business. Idiot.

Well you're quite the rude cunt aren't you. Kinda proving his point there :/

It's the truth whether you like it or not normfag.

Relax. I'm saying that you're proving that ugly men are treated like shit irl and even online. I'm not a fucking normie and if you were actually incel you'd be over at incels.me

Relax. I'm saying that you're proving that ugly men are treated like shit irl and even online.

Because that's cold hard bitter truth we ugly men have to live with. There's no point in lying to him.

I'm not a fucking normie and if you were actually incel you'd be over at incels.me instead of larping on this cucked site

I already am on incels.me you cock. I just browse this sub from time to time to see what the cucks are up to.

Then don't try to call me out bitch

he’s right though

If they only cared about their bottom line they would have kept the 5 paying customers and not cared about the first timer.

Are you serious?? If word got out that they allow harassment and bullying in their facility they would lose a lot more business than just those 5 paying customers.

If word got out how? The OP claims to be a repellent friendless loser, who's going to listen?

That’s a good point.

Other people at the gym who saw it happen? Did you not read the part where he said there were other people there?

Besides if they let this go without punishing it, they will let other incidents go without punishment and that can seriously damage their reputation. There's a reason why they have a zero tolerance policy for that shit.

Ok fine, you win, no one ever acts out of kindness or pity or consideration.

Not for ugly people.

Haha, you are trying so hard to make your tiny little word sad and pathatic. Nothing would have to the gym if "word got out".

The fact that the cunt mentioned a no bullying policy shows that it didn't do it out of the kindness of it's heart. The cunt was just doing it's job. I hope you don't make a oneitis out of the creature, it's probably already fucked the Chad who works there plenty of times.

They were all later laughing and your suboptimal undeveloped suborbital rims and recessed maxilla I bet.

Bad things happened to stacys. I am happy when bad things happen to all women. Let me enjoy some life fuel.

You do not have to repeat that in every single comment and post you make.

I was trying to reply to someone in particular who's ruining the moment. Braindead.

https://np.reddit.com/r/IncelTears/comments/7wrrex/comment/du2v1mo

Hahaha good luck dumb slut.

Underrated comment

You realize that absolutely no one outside of this "community" knows what on earth a "gonial angle" is, right? Same with "gymcel" and "cope."*

*Outside of the actual meaning of "cope," as in like, coping mechanisms and "he's coping with his friend's death well."

I apologise, but do you actually have autism?

I actually exist in the world outside of the internet and know that no one uses those terms.

Do you know what sarcasm / irony is?

I think alot of the reasons incels are looked down on is because obviously sarcastic comments get taken seriously.

The most ironic part of it all is that THEY tell US to learn social skills and find a sense of humor. Just lol.

Do you realize that sarcasm is undetectable in text form?

If you are autistic, yes.

Lmfao okay dude

You are a regular, normal person

Honestly, I also considered myself a subhuman until I found someone who didn't think I was. Just give it some time and take advantage of this experience by meeting new people.

I don't know what to say, since I don't know you and haven't seen you. Still, I always think that it's easy to convince yourself about something. Best of luck.

Obviously I don't know how it is in Scandinavia, but I can promise you one thing: Little kids are assholes who will always find the differences between them and other kids, seemingly for the sake of fucking with each other. Try to keep that in mind, in regards to the being bullied in kindergarten (and school in general.)

If you're with the same group of kids, especially, you can count on them picking out the most obvious difference, being dicks about it, and keeping up with it forever.

Their asshole judgements say absolutely nothing about you, though.,

Normies will never understand that even adults shat on us as little kids. I feel for you brother.

Wait, you're Scandinavian? I have very little experience with any of the people I interact with treating people from the middle East any different here. That might also be because there's a lot of people with middle Eastern decent here, so they're very common and thusly rightfully viewed as equals.

Do you live much farther north, perhaps?

I simply don't understand how no one would intervene. In the south, people are usually a lot more proper people. Unless you live in the farmlands. That's a slightly different story.

But yeah, if you feel like it, go ahead with the screenshots

All of the people who have looked down on you throughout life for you ethnicity were in the wrong. You are not less because you have a different amount of melanin in your skin. You are absolutely worthy of respect and kindness regardless of your gene expression.

Don't believe everything you see on the internet, especially in cess-pool subreddits that aggregate the most disgusting and dehumanizing ideas. Most of those posts aren't real they're doctored to fit the narrative that "X less than us." You deserve kindness. You do not deserve ridicule. You deserve kindness, you deserve respect, and you deserve basic decency from all who cross your path.

You are not subhuman. You have worth. Your life is as valuable as anyone else's regardless of skin pigmentation.

INB4 "Obviously some people are stronger, more attractive, and more successful than others!"

That's true but that doesn't minimize the depth or experience of another human being. All humans are incredible and miraculous products capable of a wide array of emotion and experience. There is reason to devalue the life of a human being in favor of another or treat anyone as less than because they don't fit your mould. We have advanced enough to know that actions --> consequences, and the consequences of treating someone poorly for something outside of their control are well understood. Empathy is an amazing capability and by utilizing it we make the world a better place to live.

Pray tell, wha stereotypical boxes do you fit in simple because you consider yourself an "ugly ethnic"

I know what society thinks of me and that's what I am

What's that?

That's not true.

If they're saying you're worth less because of your ethnicity, then yeah they're wrong and pretty ass backwards people.

The whole world does not hate you. People in my community are very open to middle easterners and North Africans. I'm sorry you're surrounded by ass backwards people but just because he majority around you says so doesn't make it true.

A progressive part of the US.

I think we may be misunderstanding each other, from my POV you're saying you deserve the hatred of the world because of your ethnicity and I would like to clarify that you are absolutely worthy of the same respect would receive. If you're just saying that you're part of a group viewed as "subhuman" by a large portion of the world I will concede that as true, but that does not make it right. I want you to know there are many people in the world who would accept you even if they do not surround you.

What if you went back to the country of which your ethnicity originates? You'd be accepted wholly there I'm sure

And how is that the fault of white people exactly? We didn't ask you to come here. If your own group doesn't want you then I don't know what I can do for you.

You blame white people all the time for being racist towards you, when even your own group doesn't want you. Are they racist too?

I don't blame them because they're white. I blame them because they bullied me. Their race has nothing to do with it.

Yes it does, since you treat them differently than your own group treating you like an outcast.

Difference is that one group treats me like an outcast because of my ethnicity, while the other does that because I didn't grow up there. There are white immigrants that i've seen, who haven't lived here as long as I have, they don't speak the language as well as I do and yet they're seen as a local and i'm not.

And you think a white person would be a considered a local in the Middle-East?

You already admitted you would feel the same way in every other country.

I have no "own group". That's my whole point. I don't treat them different from anyone else, I treat everyone the same way regardless of their race or creed.

Cool.

If they were born and raised there? Yes. Because there are people with blond hair, blue eyes and pale skin in the Middle-East. Who are born and raised there.

I seriously doubt Norwegians settling in Iraq would be considered Iraqi's by the locals, but if that's what you want to believe, then okay.

If they treated me the same way, yeah I would. Their race is irrelevant to how I feel. It's how they treated me.

If race is irrelevant to how you feel then why did you bring racism into this?

So you live in a country different than your ancestors country and you complain you are the only one there?

But that's because you're ugly, not because of your race.

Ethnic subhuman? There is something incredibly racist and self hating in that phrase...

What ethnicity are you?

I’m Black, I grew up in a predominantly white neighborhood and in elementary school I was 1 out of 3 black kids. See I feel for you being made fun of since Kindergarten. My curly hair and features definitely was the made fun of.

But I didn’t let that get me down. I went on to be decently successful and before when I was dating, I had no issues dating outside of my ethnic group (even though I preferred black ladies).

I don’t think your ethnic group has anything to do with it when it more has to do with overall attitude and reaction to being born Non-white.

Women have their preferences but being a genuine well rounded person, getting in shape, and just meeting new people (meetup) will improve not only your looks but social skills in order to be surrounded by people you’d want to hang with and eventually women who not only want to have sex but enjoy your company as well.

While many women would fantasize about bedding (insert good looking movie star here), developing a real connection with someone while respecting yourself would go much further

It’s all about what you make of it. I’ve heard stories about some of the black dudes I know getting a lot of attention from Scandinavian countries.

You have to remember that the mentality of a child is WAY different from the mentality of an adult. You don’t actually know which little girl, who may have been making fun of you along side others as part of “group think”, grows up to be broader in her preferences.

Most of the problem is likely perceived by you internally. It’s up to you to make that change.

The problem isn’t that people say those things about people that look like you. The problem is that to some certain extent...you believe it.

“I’m just a schmuck and a loser”

Sounds like you are speaking this into existence.

As a black male in America, I too have heard many people spout vitriol concerning perceived characteristics that blacks have.

According to many, I’m supposed to be violent, dumb, and ugly. Some of those stereotypes are perpetrated by users in this very sub. On the contrary, I’m not violent and have a doctorate in a STEM field. I also strongly align myself with giving back to others around me as well.

You’re a person first. Your outsides don’t define you so don’t let others define who you are based off of your physical characteristics.

It’s utter stupidity to believe much of the racist drivel that is spouted by those types. It is also self loathing to buy into that shit.

Move on with your life because those racist views will always be there. If you didn’t do any of the bad things people who looked like you did, then why buy into the negative self speak.

Ah I'm so sorry you've been treated so unfairly, but I'm so happy for you that you took the first step and went to the gym. Here's hoping your life improves from here!

Does the shoe fit? Or are you allowing people to project their preconceived notions on you and blindly accepting it as part of you?

Being ethnic doesn't automatically make you ugly.

Most of the negative stereotypes I've heard/read about ethnics are in regards to their intelligence and character, your physical appearance has nothing to do with those things so you don't automatically fit the stereotypes because you're "ugly." You're much harsher on yourself than you should be.

And whenever I travel to my parent's home country with them, i'm also treated like an outsider over there. I'm not seen as a local. Over there i'm foreign, i'm Scandinavian. This makes me feel like I don't belong anywhere. That I have no place I can call home in this world.

Dude same. I also live in Scandinavia but I'm Slavic ethnicity. I don't feel like the native population here, actually I have kind of a negative perception of them. But I also am not part of my parent's home country either having never lived there. Thankfully I'm white so I don't raise immediate suspicion, but I don't belong anywhere either. Feelsbadman

Moving to Canada or America feels like an obvious solution?

I don’t have the same experiences as you had and so I’m not trying to say what works for me will work for you, but just to give you a different view point, I used to get frustrated with people a lot because “most people are like....” or “most women are like...” and I’m just not compatible with most people. But I felt a lot better when I realized that I don’t need most people, I just need one partner and some good friends. You don’t need all the women chasing you down, you just need one that accepts you. That may be easier for some people, I don’t know. But it’s still very much possible.

I’m very sorry for your childhood and what people did to you. And you’re not subhuman. Or if you insist on being subhuman and all the people who bullied you, including the adults, are considered human, then you’re better off not being the same as them. I’d rather be subhuman like you then human if it means being like them. You’re a much better person. Those people that stood up for you at the gym saw that and others will too.

Scandinavia is racist as fuck, bunch of neonazis. Try living somewhere diverse like New York, LA or Toronto.

Hey man, are you technically savvy? Since you’re on reddit, chances are that you have some skill.

Learning to be a developer isn’t easy, but man it’s available. You can learn it all on a potato with internet access and you can learn it for free.

Do it for long enough and practice, then get a work visa and a software company will sponsored you to come over. Kick ass at the company, and apply for citizenship. Boom, much less racial discrimination.

A lot of Americans think it’s bad here, but it’s honestly WAY less racist than most of the world (there are definitely racist parts, though). Our major cities are inclusive as fuck. Hell they hire people BECAUSE they are minorities here.

If you are interesting in learning software development send me a PM. I have some good starting advice for you. Been doing it for a long time and I can help you skip some of the more difficult hurdles in the beginning.

Do what most young people do. Apply to a college here (pay with student loans). Student visas are much easier to get. Then secure a job, extend your visa...

It's much harder to get a work visa from scratch than to get a student visa and turn it into a work visa. It's also much easier to get a US skilled job with a US degree. That's why education here is so much more expensive.

The debt is worth it though. Once you get a job and higher quality of life here, it will pay itself off.

It honestly just sounds like you're living in the wrong place. We all have a place, you just haven't found yours yet.

shut your fucking cunt mouth, scandinavia take in fucking shit load of middle eastern and African "refugees". and a LOT of men.

how the fuck would you react if suddenly your country was filled with fake refugee males that take your women and your money. as if a higher male to female ratio is going to make things easier. honesty I'm happy whenever I see middle eastern man sad, lonely and failing in Europe, I want them to fail because they are disrespecting european men by comming here and getting it on with our women (note: we have no access to their women). If they are an incels in their own country I could sympathise. Hence it like the OP to fall face first in shit.

Stop cyberbullying incels, Norman

hey, normans aren't as great as we used to be. once we where the invaders, now we are being invaded.

I’m confused, are you trying to say they’re not racist or trying to demonstrate that they are.

Although in all likelihood you’re just a troll/bully who isn’t Scandinavian or probably even European, don’t believe this stuff but just likes to hurt people.

that if they are there is a legitimate reason for it... its not like americas

Dude, just because you're of a certain ethnicity or in a minority doesn't mean shit. That shouldn't dictate your life as well as your opinions of yourself. As well, no one gives a fuck if you're fat, ugly or depressed as shit - people do give a fuck about self confidence.

People are more likely to pick on and bully those who are clearly more self conscious and lack confidence because they're easy targets. You've got yourself in this loop of despair where you constantly put yourself down because of the past and ultimately get bullied and harassed more because of that.

Stop looking at your flaws, stop thinking about the awful things people have called you or said to you and get some confidence. Even if it's fake confidence. You're not going to improve or get better or feel better unless you make a change to your outlooks on life. So, if you don't like being where you are and you don't like calling yourself awful things then make a change.

What’s your ethnicity?

Why do you say subhuman? There is simply no such thing. You are not greater than anyone, and you are not worth less than anyone. You are you, and what you put into yourself will greatly shape your reality. The things around you. The thoughts that drive you. You seem to have focused on the negitives, and allowed bad expierences to shape you. Give you the mold that you are now. And that's okay. The great thing about people is, we are always changing, always evolving. Whether it to be our worser or greater self. It's hard to change your current thought process, and it does take discipline, but going to a gym to work on yourself, you're already making the first steps to reconnect yourself to a better you. People think working out is strictly a physical thing, but it's also a emotional thing. You're not just working out your body, but also your mind, your wellbeing. Find the discipline to change your thought process to be more positive, to be more adventurous. One of the best things we can do to grow, is stepping out of our comfort zone, and curbing negitive thoughts. Stop saying never, and replace it with I can. Imagine the things that damage you, imagine it on a piece of paper, imagine crumbling it up and throwing it away. I mean, throw that shit away. Throw it like a baseball fuck it just throw it away.

Note: Why go by with what society deams you as? That's some bullshit mate I gotta tell ya. Main society is a grand illusion to suppress and manipulate. Stop caring what others think of you, all that matters is your thoughts, your actions, and simply, you.

that's fine, but what should have happened is your fellow incels solving that problem with you, not chad and normies

You're so negative. "Normies" and "chads" that's all you know, huh?

Suicide fuel to life fuel all in one post

Just shows you that there's good people out there :)

Damn. Life fuel.

They don't exist. They just follow the narrative of the most dominant Chad around them.

That's true. Pretty much no women have good personalities because they aren't pressured to. They are even encouraged to sit on their stupid ass and do nothing and still be successful.

Well it's just survival honestly. Submit to the most dominant person around in order to survive.

Again it's the dishonesty that gets to us. And their lack of ability to admit it, even to themselves. They're weak, so don't take their words so seriously.

I've never been encouraged to sit on my ass and do nothing.

You’re retarded lmao

I’m a professional, have my own practice, and don’t submit to any “Chad.” I have no interest in men’s money, since I have my own. I don’t know what you look like, but you could be the most handsome “Chad” and I would never sleep with you. Your attitude is atrocious. Stop blaming women for your shortcomings ✌🏻

Now a real nice guy who is ugly and can’t get laid? Yea, that exists, and that’s a shame. You’re not one of them.

Haha you missed the point entirely. Probably on purpose, otherwise that's poor show for a doctor. Why are you even arguing with me in the first place? Know your place sweetheart.

Except that I didn’t. You say there are no nice attractive women. You say they just do whatever attractive men tell them to, which is not true.

You’re the one that keeps missing the point, making assumptions left and right, and you claim to live in the real world. Can you point to the place I said I was a doctor? I said I was a professional with my own practice. Have you ever seen me to know if I’m attractive or not?

I know my place. My place is being successful at everything because I don’t subscribe to what anyone, including men, think I should or shouldn’t do.

Yea the world can be tough and a shitty place, but you’re a shitty person. You’re crying because women are superficial towards you, when all you want is a superficial fuck? To fuck as many women in one day? You’re so hypocritical it’s not even funny. If you were sad because you wanted a real relationship, then I could be more empathetic.

You also talk shit about women, but cry because they won’t sleep with you? What woman in their right mind would want to sleep with a man that tells them “know your place”? Yea you might be ugly as fuck, who knows, but in a hypothetical situation that’s not the reason I or many women wouldn’t date you. We wouldn’t dat you because your personality and overall attitude towards women is atrocious.

Awwww sweetie you are adorable when you get mad :3. Don't get too carried away though, you might injure yourself!

I'm not sure if this reply was sent to the right person, can you check darling? I didn't say half the things you're claiming I did. But whatever helps you get that naughty aggression out!

Grrr wimin angry at patriarchy despite being most privileged class of person in history grrr.

There's definitely some sort of man behind whatever 'practice' you supposedly run. No way someone as emotionally unstable and who recalls imaginary conversations could have any sort of real responsibility without leaning on someone of competence. Did you simply mean you like to practice running things? Is that it honey?

Anyway you run along and get ready for bed cutie, you have to get up bright and early tomorrow for workies remember!

Except that I’ve read your posts. You forget everyone can see what you write on Reddit. You also seem to forget that you’ve replied to me on other posts. They aren’t imaginary conversations, but it seems you have a memory issue. Are you taking steroids? They do affect memory and learning.

I’m not mad 😂 unlike you, I don’t let what other people say or think affect me. It’s ok, I’m not the one with anger issues here, so stop projecting “Mr. I need to find an outlet to let this anger out because rejecting women isn’t helping anymore.” I’m not the one who is emotionally unstable sweetheart 😉 What do you call a person who hates women but is also obsessed with sleeping with them?

I also work by myself, so I don’t know what imaginary man I’m leaning on. If a man is helping me though, let me know who he is, so I can properly thank him. I’m not resentful of men like you seem to be of women.

Hehe now we're getting somewhere :)

Please let me know when you can provide any posts where i said the things you quoted above. When you are unable to find such a post, please don't get too upset :(, i don't like it when my little sweetie gets upset. It's not how adults handle situations :O. Not all of us can cry and scream rape when we feel down about ourselves :(

That's great to know about STDs. It would definitely explain your angry and confusing behaviour so far. I hope it's nothing too serious. Are you able to still have children? Assuming you can trap someone in time.

A friend of mine cried to me the other day because she has hit 35, has chronic fibroids and is now unable to have children after never having a serious relationship and chasing status for 18 years. I'd hate that to happen to my sweetie, quick go and find a nice Beta to settle down with! I know the numbers are thinning out due to MGTOW and incel culture and that makes you come on here and act all mad, but don't worry that shouldn't matter to you, nothing can stop my babygirl! :)

Aw honey, i'm sure some men would love to work with you! You don't have to hide away from them, maybe just your personality. Just make sure you say 'please', 'thank you' and act like a nice girl; they'd love to have you around! Just keep your moaning, drama and 'woman issues' out of the office, and i think they'd definitely consider treating you like the equal that feminism thinks you should be!

you, complaining like a sissy

That’s all I have left to say 😂 I don’t even feel any need to address your idiotic comments.

You should go see a therapist though. In all seriousness. I don’t wish you any ill. Your probably not even ugly. Conventional beauty doesn’t dictate attractiveness. It’s your shitty attitude that’s the problem. Best of luck though.

Awww this was fun! It's a bummer you decided to give up. Don't worry, there are some other lesser males here which you can dominate and momentarily feel good about yourself. You just gotta try and approach different ones. Kinda like dating :D

Here you go again with your estrogen fuelled crazy talk. Shoo Shoo! You really should find a Chad to give you a nice orgasm, maybe you'd feel fulfilled momentarily, but then very lonely afterwards. But that's not you really want either. As a woman you could never have such a level of overt self awareness.

Thanks! Rejecting women is fun i have to say, otherwise i wouldn't do it. I only reject hot ones who think they're gods gift to the world. I really enjoy the company of girls who match my attractiveness level though, they usually manage to hide the crazy well enough simply because they have no other choice.

Have a nice day you gorgeous girl <3

You know you have a problem when you classify interactions as dominating or not dominating someone. I don’t wish to “dominate” anyone. It doesn’t give me joy to bring people down. I also have no interest in casual sex or superficial relationships. That’s how little you know about women.

Classifying people with a scale is also incredibly reductive and insulting. I would never rate the guys I’ve dated, or anyone, based on a scale. Everyone brings different things to the table. I’d rather date an ugly underdog who is nice and has passions than a “Chad.” I also don’t need sexual gratification to feel fulfilled. That would be a sad day indeed if it ever happened.

I don’t find joy in hurting people, even if they have hurt me before. That’s really twisted.

Awww imagine if you were as proficient at being a woman and using language to that effect as you wished you were. You might have succeeded in convincing me of something by now! :D Well maybe not me, but someone...anyone. You'll find him one day...maybe. Just pretend you're sexually interested in him. Then you can moan and simultaneously get angry at him all day while he tries to please you!

I'd say you went too overboard with the morality shaming. You'd have caught more fish if you went along with something i said and appealed to my ego pretending i won you over. Sure you'd have to ditch some part of your agenda but it's a better strategy than the angry and weak attempt at moral superiority you're exercising here. Maybe this is why you couldn't hold onto Chad :( . But i'm not surprised, you are a woman after all and stroking your ego is the reason you get up everyday! I mean why else do you exist? Can you think of anything?

I'd love to hear more about your life darling. Can you write me a book and send it to me? Please!! I need to know more about you and what you believe! You have wrapped yourself around my mind and soon my heart! 😍😍😍

Look at you making assumptions left and right yet again. Is there a competition somewhere about who makes the most assumptions? I know you like that sort of thing, competing I mean, since you need something to feel superior.

Imagine if you were as proficient at being normal as you are at being an asshole.

Imagine if anything you said made any sense. Saying women need their ego stroked at the same time you say the way to win you over is by stroking your ego.

I had no idea being a decent human being was constituted morality shaming now. If I’m respectful, and expect people to be, I’m morality shaming- but then if im mean im just a dumb slut Stacy? Your logic is A+.

You should write me a book instead, about how modern logic is all about those fallacies. You seem to be an expert on the topic.

LOL

Babes...i think i'm in love with you. Would you ever consider...marrying me? I will drop all this misogynistic shit, my toxic beliefs. Just gimme a chance, PLEASE! Whatever you want me to do, i'll do it!

I've been hiding my true feelings from you and also myself, but i can't hold back any longer. I want to experience you. Caress your figure. Smell your hair. Sway you in the moon light. Stare deep into your eyes. Listen to you talk about your boring work friends and how you're so much bett-oh...you work alone, i forgot.

I didn't know what i was feeling but it is clear to me now. I want you and to be rid of this anger forever. I'll stop lifting, stop talking to other girls, i don't need any of that anymore now that i've met you. I just want to be with you forever. We can watch as many documentaries on feminism and toxic masculinity as you'd like. I'll help you make signs for the rallys. Just stop disappearing on me when we get there, i can't imagine spending a single second without you!

Please don't leave me hanging. I await your word with eager anticipation my darling princess!

Why are you alive?

Strange question nigga

Are you in highschool?

Because that's some shit a kid would say.

In the real world, it's nothing like that and if you are a decent person and put yourself out there, work on your inner self, your views would be vastley different.

Nope. I'm a 29 year old male. You're welcome to have your own opinion on how the world works though.

What would a “nice Stacy” look like to you?

Why would I describe something that doesn't exist?

A unicorn?

There are no unicorns. I'm at the gym right now, and I see no unicorns.

So if a girl is pretty, she can’t be nice?

Correct. No women can be nice. I never met one, and it's not like i'm 10 years old or something.

What’s your definition of nice though? Is a woman nice is she is polite and kind to others, or is she only nice if she’ll sleep with you.

The second. I still haven't met a woman who did the first. Ain't that a shame.

You say you’ve never met a woman who was polite and kind, but I find that hard to believe. However, I’d like to ask about how a woman is nice only if she sleeps with you. Does that mean that perceiving niceness in others is subjective? I regularly have sex with my husband. Does that make me nice only to him?

You say you’ve never met a woman who was polite and kind, but I find that hard to believe.

You're not a guy. Even if you were a guy, you'd have to be an ugly guy.

Does that make me nice only to him?

Yea.

Ugly guys can 100% know a polite woman. There are tons of genuinely nice girls, and most of them don't care how you look. I do say this from experience, I know tons of unattractive guys who have friends who are women. Because that's how genuinely good people are. I'm sure that you have had some awful experiences with girls, and yeah, that must suck, but you can't let some bad experiences skew your view on a huge group of people.

And also, sex isn't the ultimate determination of how kind someone is. People can be nice and not be looking for a romantic relationship. Say, if you met another incel who was kind and supportive of you, does that mean that he has to have sex with you to be nice to you?

Relieving me of my suffering would be nice.

Why would I help you? I’m married. Wouldn’t cheating on my husband only perpetuate the stereotype that all women are sluts?

Shaming women into dating incels, then.

I’ll shoot straight with you. Without an attitude adjustment from “women are psychopaths” the only way you’re pulling any tail is with money. The sole difference between you and Chad? Chad doesn’t spend his whole life chasing pussy. Women can smell desperation and it’ll make any woman dryer than the Sahara.

Lol

If you've never met a nice person in your life that would mean you're an asshole doesn't it? No one is nice to assholes. Or simply youre mistaking shyness or awkwardness to be rudeness. Its okay, lots of people do.

But reading futher comments, you're just an asshole with shitty views and a horrid personality, projecting your own insecurities and hatefulness of yourself onto women. You see them as objects who owe you sex? This is why no one is nice to you.

My cousins are all ridiculously attractive, but also extremely nice thay contrast always got me confused because attractive girls in school were bitches (until I got to know some of them which also surprised me when they weren't).

I'm glad they were kind and stood up for you. I absolutely despise bullies, They are very pathetic women.

Let's be honest. They did it to make sure the gym didn't look bad

nah everyone in the world is evil. i would've stuck up for him right away. i don't tolerate stupid thots, i despise white knights more then i do thots/stacys

Gigantic gympill. So powerful it gobbled up all my gains.

No. I worked front desk at a gym for 5 years and nothing pissed me off more than people making fun of other people. Bullying other people, especially when they’re in there trying to better themselves, is absolutely disgusting.

This is the truth. If there was no monetary incentive none of them would give a fuck.

Also notice how the Normans only jumped in after gym-employed Chad stood up for him.

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Despite some comments, they didn't really have to stand up for you. Hopefully you will take this as life fuel and as opening new possibilities for you.

This is the kind of stuff I'm glad to see. You have a good gym and you should definitely keep going there. Hope you keep getting good experiences like this!

Sadly, this experience is common at the gym. I think especially one where those "stacys" hang out. Try going to a smaller gym next time. You'll find a better experience.

Gyms are safe spaces, if anyone is being a dick, you call them out on it and give them hell as well as raising concerns with management, no one bullies people trying to improve their health, it's not on!

I'm glad the staff did the right thing, I'm glad you saw that you're a regular person as you are, inceldom has led you down a dirty path but you can get back onto the main road and you'll have an amazing life*!

*Relatively speaking.

If you go to the gym to stand around machines and laugh at other people, you're at the wrong fucking place. They deserved to be banned.

Well no that's illegal. I know reddit does it but half of these mods probably have a terabyte of cp too

I mean they should be shamed though for it. And women fold like paper under pressure

How is banning someone from private property illegal?

Because it's discrimination. Go ahead try and put a no niggers allowed side or kidnap someone. Tell the judge it's private property and see what happens

Racial discrimination and holding someone against their will are very very different from banning rude people from your establishment. No wonder you’re an incel..

Not under the law. Your opinion is wrong and you're stupid. Also guess what dummy? Been banned from incels too (3 day ban) so clearly not an incel. Guess that makes YOU the incel duurhuur

Wow you got banned from a sub for Incels, definitely doesn’t make you involuntary celibate. Even though you are, because you’re a fucking loser

How does it feel to wrong all the time you fucking dolt? I say I wouldn't know. But I do as I know everything so the proper explanation would be I haven't experienced.

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Good Lord, you killed him

Phew, I was wondering how long that would go for.

How does it feel to be hated unanimously by people in the real world and on the internet?

You’re a small-dicked, one-arm having ass faggot

Oh really? What law is that?

Wow someone clearly has zero understanding of discrimination and property laws.

Your logic is so terrible you should be banned from this sub on grounds of you having no brain cells

Banning a black person is not illegal. Banning a black person because they are black is illegal.

How like are you connecting cp to this

I really want to double down on your comment.... Pretty disturbing he made that assumption

1. It isn’t illegal to make fun of people, just a huge asshole move

2. How in whoever’s name would you bring child fucking pornography into this? There is no basis for that assumption, other than that you’re almost 100% projecting

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aloha

JAJAJA que fue mano, eres un incel o tas solo de paso??

just passing by

Este dia, todos estamos pasando el mundo Incél

Or, you're a made up character in a made up story. Which is $100% what this is.

Damn. The only people I’ve met who have ever been kind to me is older people (because they usually are), my parents, the occasional nice person (extremely rare) and criminal chads (only because I’m useful to them, otherwise females would have convinced them to kill me lmao).

old people I’m still pretty young so I guess that’s why.

criminal chads I’m just a useful connection, not gonna be specific though.

I can’t wrap my mind around the amount of narcissism you have to believe that you are so important thatEVERYONE around you is constantly looking at you and judging you. Wow. This one blew my mind.

Great story

I'm so happy they stood up for you, and told those bitches off... Faith in humanity restored for another day :-)

Lifelong bullied ethnic here.

What were they doing to make fun of you?

Nice story about the girl and the Chad. But I don't believe they really banned them. That's not how capitalism works. They just want your business and they aren't going to chop off 5 easy subscriptions for a brand new gym joiner.

Personally I wouldn't have got so upset over it and would have simply accepted that they and society consider me as lower value because of my ethnicity, lack of confidence and general lack of aesthetics. I don't believe this is a bad thing and it allows me to power through situations like that without a care in the world.

I'm never going to fuck Stacy, or hang out with her, or have a coffee with her, or be there for her when Chad causes her anal cavity to prolapse. So what they think about me, say to me or act around me has absolutely no relevance to my life. If they speak a negative word to me I'll tell them I'll stab them in the throat if they talk to me again. They have no proof I said that and they'll be scared shitless. This is how you survive bullies especially racist ones. This is how I've dealt with racists since I was 18 and terrorist was a typical insult to call me. Use their own bias against them.

Ban you?

I'd do the same thing if people treated me like that.

Actions have consequences. If they want to make the world a worse place just to feed their own narcissism they'll (sometimes) face the negative and scary responses to such selfish actions.

I find amusement and satisfaction in seeing the fear light up in their eyes once they realise they've potentially upset the wrong guy, simply because I'm ethnic and know how to use it against them.

Well nobody should feel sorry for them if they initiate it.

How are you any different from the bullies? Look at how you speak about women. You speak about women the same way people speak about your ethnicity.

I live in the real world

Gyms take their image very seriously and work hard to promote a welcoming environment that feels like a safe place, especially in gyms that have the resources to spare.

We have a large complex associated with our University hospital network that treats their members like this.

If a member is being toxic or confrontational, they will not hesitate to warn or ban depending on severity. They value the community/wholesome supportive tone. That's their biggest market, not some toxic gym rat.

Fair enough. Just trying to point out that we should always prepare for the worst case scenario. We can't rely on anyone or anything to help us inevitably, we have to prepare for the idea that those girls would always be in that gym and what we could do around that scenario. Anything beyond is a bonus.

Certainly, but that's why investing in a community and making connections is so important. No one should have to deal with that type of harassment and if we witness it, we address itwhether it's addressing the problem with staff or respectfully addressing it with the person(s).

We have to pay it forward, and remaining silent can't help it get better. Those staff were the change they wanted to see, for a better environment.

It's great for sure. But as we've both pointed out, it's entirely due to retaining a positive reputation to increase sales.

A totally a valid point, they are a business. I'd still point out that creating a club to promote a healthy life style while collecting fees isn't the most notorious or greedy business though. It's more geared toward providing a service to the community.

Totally. Something I’m overlooking for sure. But a business has to financially succeed before they can start deciding on morals. If they decide that 4 women’s continued business is more valuable than a newbie who may or may not commit (especially if he’s ugly, he presumably has less social standing to cause them any reputational damage) then they will go with what keeps them afloat and assess whatever PR risk they might have to see to.

Well, yeah. A gym is a place to improve yourself. Anybody who gets in the way of that is an asshole. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with those women, OP, and I hope you go back and keep working out to be healthy and be the best you that you can be. Almost everyone at a gym is gonna be supportive of your desire to improve, because that's what they're also there for.

Gymcel here: nobody is at a gym to 'improve themselves'. They're there to become more attractive or maintain their current attractiveness.

Not a gymcel here: that's an awful way to view the world, and your life, and you should probably adjust your worldview in order to be happier and healthier, and maybe you'll stop being an incel. finger guns

Gymie here who used to be much stronger, stopped going to the gym and accidentally lost 20 lbs of muscle and is trying to gain it back:

I go because I enjoyed setting personal goals for myself and meeting them. Attractiveness is just a side bonus.

I enjoyed setting personal goals for myself and meeting them. Attractiveness is just a side bonus.

I enjoyed setting personal goals for myself and meeting them.

And that in itself is attractive.

I'm sorry that you had to experience that. It really sucks. But I'm really glad that they were decent human beings, who acted professionally. No one should feel like that, especially when they're trying to work on helping themselves. I'm signing up to a gym next week and as someone who also experiences social anxiety, I'm nervous. Last time I used the gym regularly, I was worried that people would be staring or thinking negatively about me. I can only imagine how you felt actually experiencing it.

Stand up for yourself ffs and don't do cardio before you lift.

Im against this whole "incel" thing.. But this post touched me. I am glad that someone stood up for you and helped you, when you were in the need of it.

Hope things will go good for you in the future

Subhuman ethnic manlet checking in.

This used to happen to me, but by the female gym staff. They'd laugh at me or treat me rude when I was first going there.

They only started to treat me nicer once I got stronger and got the respect of other gym goers there, but I still ignore them because of how rude they were to me.

....are you sure you didn’t just perceive them as being rude? Staff members usually take extra care even if they are being judgy since it affects their business/their jobs.

Bro screw the gym. I got FANTASTIC results just from using a bar in a park. Pull ups, push ups one day, next day squats then progress to pistol squats once you can do them along with cycling and running. That will work out your entire body. I only spend 20-30 minutes in my sessions.

I wish you lived near me man, i have no work out partners or friends(i live in a small shit ass town) we could roll together every day.

man it sucks i wish some of ya'll lived near me we could have some good times!

i live in a very small town in north dakota. There is nobody here it sucks, i can't move either. the only family I have left is my dad and my source of income/work is here so i'm stuck here for life. The only women here are the ones in school then they leave for good once school is over. no women, no cool guys just sucks here. i've been incel for around 10 years now i'm almost 30.

I honestly am not too well versed about other countries. what color are you and what problems do you face? And that sucks man, racism is bullshit. In the us it's starting to get weird here. there is a war on white people, especially straight white men.

I'm sorry you have to deal with that man :(. the white people where i'm from are really nice loving people.

I wish you lived near me man we could have a blast!

Wow who would have thought that going to a country where everyone has a complete different heritage and history than yours would make you feel out of place? Are there not countries where there is people who look like you or do you just use the nords for their resources and achievements while also complaining about coming to their country?

Or you can move dumbass.

Sometimes shit isn't easy. If it really bothered you you would do it.

No one said it was simple. Every time you've commented you've complained about being an outsider. So don't be one. How are you going to blame people for you being an outsider when you are one?

You are an outsider because you're a middle easterner in a Scandinavian country. Would a tall blonde not be out of place in India?

Hey man I just want to say I'm sorry these guys are flinging their ethnostate bullshit and piling on you for being different in the country you were born in. Try not to let them get in your head. Keep going to that gym, work on some skills that'll help you get to a place that'll be a little kinder to you, and try to be kinder to yourself, too. It's hard, I know, so consider therapy if you have access to it. You're not subhuman just because the reactionaries are afraid.

Dude, stop being unpleasant

This happened a month ago you idiot

Doesn’t matter to me, your dickishness knows no age limits

[LIFE FUEL]

Damn man, I'm sorry that those cunts made fun,of you, but I'm infinitely glad that somebody was there to stand up for you!

I have my own issues, I have two pretty fucked up hands/arms, so I've gotten more than my fair share of staring and pointing whenever I go to the gym (or any place really if I'm not wearing long sleeves/hoodies), so I know how much that can,ruin your hopes of bettering yourself. I hope like hell those two awesome people gave you the courage to be able to go back

I'm sorry you have this perception of yourself. I was bullied a lot for various things in school and now as an adult I'm workinh in changing them psychological treatment really helped (it was hard because u have to be extremely hinest with yourself) I did it for 8 years and it helped a lot. Congrats on taking steps to be healthier,

Oh wow that is so nice and a great read. More people should be like this. I hope you take those free 3 months and trainer and gymcel like crazy.

Btw, how did the 5 sluts act when they were banned from the gyms?

Damn, they definitely deserve it. AWALT.

Propose to the desk girl next time you go, obviously

why were you outside?

lol why would you go crying to the staff? That sounds like the worst part. It's like your Mummy going into school to complain about something another kid did to you.

Bad troll is bad. Yeah, if people are bullying others at a gym, it makes sense to report them. You're probably one of those people who makes fun of first timers. Did this post hit too hard to home buddy?

I’m really happy for you man keep going

I honestly didn't expect her, the Chad personal trainer or the Normans to stand up for an ugly ethnic subhuman like me.

Maybe because all you fuckers do is put up walls around you, us vs them, it's a fucking retarded mentality.

Oh who the fuck wasn't. Welcome to high school, where everyone fucks with everyone else. That shit stops there for most people, no one gives a fuck about your "genes" or whatever the fuck you want to blame shit on.

Some dudes coped by being funny, some dudes coped by becoming jocks, some dudes failed to cope at all.

Learn to cope.

I was bullied since kindergarten

Fine, Kindergarten to highschool, happy?

i'm seen as Middle-Eastern. And when I vist my parent's home country i'm also seen as a foreigner, i'm seen as a Scandinavian

Then fucking leave and go somewhere else. Britain is decidedly less racist, America even less so despite what you fucking hear everywhere, and Canada is the fucking shit.

I work with a Russian, a Liberian, 2 Saudi's and an Indian. No one gives a fuck.

Yeah there are racists in the world, just like you're a sexist/normist. You go around hating on others and assigning labels to them but you don't like when it happens to you? That's so sad, let me play a tiny violin for you.

Ignore him, he's a piece if shit

Butthurt piece of shit, to be precise.

Even for a normal, he is nasty.

For anyone, that was a disgusting attack on the OP.

That dude is a dick, no need for “normie” or “incel”.

Just a cunt

He is the equivalent Of the girls making fun of you. An asshole bully who needs to put others down to lift themself up since they know they themselves are a piece of shit.

I'm sorry this experience happened. I'm glad the staff and other patrons stood up for you. Hopefully you can still continue to go and accomplish your goals.

Dude, why are you here? You talk about how you don't like Incels because they promote rape and paedophilia and misogyny but you are attacking those who don't actually post these sorts of things.

Dude, fuck off yeah?

This guy is trying to better himself, he vented his pain (without a single insult directed toward the girls) and got support.

You do not have to be such an ugly cunt. You’re definitely not attractive enough to have this shit attitude, you knobhead

cunt

Nice personality there bud!

Stacy is such a bitch name!
Glad things ended up well for you....hope you go back.

Hahahahahahaha what a loser

My apologies. I've developed a tendency to falsely lump all r/braincel , r/incels, r/MGTOW , and r/T_D users together since I've noticed a lot of overlap in these communities. And I don't know much about braincels but I loathe those other communities and I just falsely assumed you were a member of them, hence where the "loser" comment came in, not because of your story. Please do not let my mean-spirited comment get to you; I know nothing about you and I made fun of you at a moment of vulnerability. I apologize and I truly wish you the best of luck in your endeavors.

I agree that nothing is worse than what we tell ourselves but in my experience I want to hear things that tell me I'm wrong and when someone confirms what I say to myself it makes it so much worse. Yeah I'm sorry I just assumed you were an inceltear 4chan MGTOW T_D person. My b

Fake and gay

As a black male in America, I too have heard many people spout vitriol concerning perceived characteristics that blacks have.

According to many, I’m supposed to be violent, dumb, and ugly. Some of those stereotypes are perpetrated by users in this very sub. On the contrary, I’m not violent and have a doctorate in a STEM field. I also strongly align myself with giving back to others around me as well.

You’re a person first. Your outsides don’t define you so don’t let others define who you are based off of your physical characteristics.

It’s utter stupidity to believe much of the racist drivel that is spouted by those types. It is also self loathing to buy into that shit.

Move on with your life because those racist views will always be there. If you didn’t do any of the bad things people who looked like you did, then why buy into the negative self speak.

damn bruh

This reads very fictional

Stacys, Chads, man y'all some dehumanizing oddballs

Such bullshit, a girl working at the desk wouldnt fucking follow you and wait 'outside the wardrobe' to ask whats wrong after youve ignored her. I believe that you went to the gym, you saw a couple girls talking and laughing, but because youre insanely insecure you just assumed they're shit talking you. (by the way when people talk shit about other people they wouldnt make it obvious and fucking point fingers at them like in movies) And after that, you went home, made all this shit up and posted it on reddit. Im gonna upvote this post just cause i feel sorry for you.

But why would they laugh at you? Why would people take the time to notice other people and ridicule? Don't they know it's socially unacceptable?

I laughed when I read "two other Normans.

This is such an amazing story. I’m at the gym right now. I’m actually tearing up. That’s all I want! Someone to be on my side! I don’t need sex or love or anything other than just some basic human decency.

That's because the world isn't actually divided up into Staceys and Chads and Normans but individuals with stories and struggles and names.

Just as you're not subhuman, they're not other-than-human. You were all just people at the gym that day, and the community there treated you like the human being you deserve to be treated like.

I'm sorry those women were mean to you. Please don't think that means the world outside your home is occupied by people who are somehow above you. Give us a chance.

Do you play chess?

I wanna go to that gym

Well, of course a Chad will be taking the side of good over some cardio bunny slamholes playing on their phones in the gym. True Chads are the incel man's greatest ally. For their whole lives, Chads have been dealing with females and know all the shit they are bound to get up to. That's why they're all so misogynistic, the black pill comes to them too over the course of thousands of pussy-mining adventures.

I fully expect to see progress pics In a few weeks op. Keep going!!

huh, some of you normans are alright.

They only defended you because it’s their JOB. If this same thing happened say at a beach, they would have ganged up on you.

It wasn't the people who weren't working's job and they still stood up for you

Nah man, the bystanders had no obligation to throw their words in to back you up.

They did it because you, just like them, are a human being.

They saw a new man attending the gym, trying to work on himself, and they knew that this person is not to be attacked for this attempt

You gonna repay the gym owner and mention the name of the gym at least?

You know, I don't wanna play devil's advocate or anything, but I don't really feel like your story ended the best way it could. I wish you would've ignored them completely and stood strong like a rock, instead of letting their mockery shake you. You would be a daily testimony to those bitches that they could mock you as much as they wanted, and it wouldn't matter because THEY don't matter. I'm sorry if this sounds unrealistic but I've been through some shit growing up as an incel and that developed a very strong MGTOW side to me, so I guess my vision is always biased in that way. Anyway, it was an interesting story. Good luck to you.

Aw man. That blows. I really do hate bullies. It’s nice you got some support from those two people. Hope you go back and make use of that free membership as a little ‘fuck you’ to those women. But obviously for yourself as the main thing.

White women create terrorists

Beautiful people, on the whole, are some of the most modest, caring, and sensitive types of people in the world. You can see it in their humbleness—they willingly lower themselves to make it so you feel an inch taller. They know, in fact, that life was kind to them. They are confident and assured, while it is the insecure that hurt—men or women who, when faced with the truth of their inadequacy turn towards violence or cruelty. A group of insecure women is the most cruel organism. They fight and cling amongst themselves until they find an object external to attack. You were the prey today, but take solace in the fact that their insecurities and projections are true, and one day they will amount to nothing more than Ash and a lukewarm eulogy. When beauty fades, they will be as unloved as you are.

wow how you can get bullied in scandinavia? I thought they were all rainbows and sunshine, what country is this in particular?

I'm glad you bad experience turned around. Thanks for giving a reminder of how important it is to stand up to people.

maybe it's because they were a bunch of cunts and you're not the only person who thought that

I...agree with a post on Braincels. This is an event I never expected to be a part of.

I don't know whether I should feel good that some of you realize not everybody is out to get you, or sad that I'm subscribed to this even though I don't agree with most posts.

Maybe both.

I’m sorry this happened. Gyms usually are quite welcoming. I have a gym rat friend and he tells me that even if you were morbidly obese they wouldn’t make fun of you but be glad you’re there and encourage you/help you. If you become a regular you can even build nice relationships with other people. Hope you won’t have anymore bad experiences.

I'm a "normie", I believe the term is, I just like plunging into this sort of place. Fascinating, really. Just a question. What is a Norman? Is that like a Normie lol?

Also... you realize that yeah, a lot of people are shitty. Myself included, probably. I'm sure I've made people hate me. That said, most people are pretty decent. Just need to focus on them. I'm an ugly asshole but I've got a girlfriend and a group of friends who don't care what I do. Food for thought.

What I mean is, it isn't purely looks that decide who you can be friends with or who you date. Just treat people well and if they're a decent person and they like you they'll hang out with you. Not meaning to intrude on the culture or anything, but a lot of you don't seem half bad until you bring out the "it was because I'm an incel" guns.

Congrats on building up the courage to go to the gym! Always remember that you've only failed once you give up. Dont let a Stacy prove you wrong, and take control.

As a normie when I see someone massively overweight working out at the gym all I can think is 'good for you- keep it up.' You have to be pretty subhuman to make fun of somebody who's going to the gym to better themselves.

I see this shit happen way too fucking often. I know a girl that scoffed and was disgusted when she saw a fat guy at the gym.

Bitch he's at the gym to not be fat you stupid cunt.

It’s because the “Chad” and “Stacy” who stood up for you are nice people, and the “Stacys” who made fun of you are dicks.

It’s hard to categorize everyone into either “subhuman” (like you described yourself) and “Chad/Stacy.” Just because someone is better in social situations and looks a bit better than you doesn’t mean that they will automatically hate you. It’s easy to get into that mentality and hard to get out of it. Just remember that not everyone is judgmental like the people who made fun of you.

Also, it’s important that you’ve begun to take the right steps by going to the gym. Keep it up and things will improve.

I know how you feel. I’m just saying that not everyone is gonna do that, and those are the people you should surround yourself with. Try to look at the positive stuff, you know? They stood up for you because they really knew it was the right thing to do. Some people are dicks. They’re just negative people, and you should just search for the positive. Once I did that, I started feeling so much better.

Well, in the meantime you can keep up going to the gym (which really does change your life, it changed mine more than I could’ve ever imagined).

Nice people might be hard to find but they’re out there. I used to think most people were cynical or just plain dickheads but I really just wasn’t looking. Putting yourself out there helps you find a lot of new people. Yeah, some people will be rude or what have you but it’s part of the process. It just happens.

Also, a large part of it is getting out of the mindset that you’re worse than other people. If you really believe that, improve yourself. For example, going to the gym is a great starting place. It’s a good way to improve yourself physically and mentally to some extent.

If you give up like that then you definitely won’t succeed. It’s at least worth a shot, no?

I don’t know if this sounds cliche but I really mean it: a lot of people think that but they just haven’t found anything worth living for. Just because you haven’t yet, doesn’t mean you never will.

And if you really are gonna “rope”, you may as well try to improve things. You never know, you might find something that changes everything for you. And if not, well then you’re back to where you are now. At least you can say you tried.

The answer to both of those things is to just keep trying. Perseverance is key. That’s really all I can tell you. Find something you enjoy doing and just go from there. You can’t sufficiently say you’ve tried unless you have tried literally everything. There has to be something out there and I’m sure you can find it.

Hey man, I know I'm late here and I know you probably don't care but I just wanted to say great job on you for going out and going to improve yourself. Fuck those girls for making fun of you, I may be a normie or whatever but I just wanted to say nobody deserves that shit. I know myself and everyone I consider myself close to are the type of people to always support every gym goer. There is no room for that shit in a place made for self improvement, it's a shame people conduct themselves in that manner. I may not go to your gym, or live anywhere near you, but over the internet I'm giving you a big thumbs up. Keep it up and don't let stuck up bitches get you down. There might even be people who want you to succeed and don't say anything. Im usually a lurker but this is me saying go kick ass

Bro. Youre not a subhuman, noone is a subhuman. Thats just putting yourself down when you already have social anxiety. I wasnt there however really examine the situation from a 3rd party view. Were they laughing and pointing at you? or was the perspective off since it was a mirror reflection? It just sounds like a mix of anxiety, perspective and self hate that makes the situation worse than whats really happening.

Also, idk if calling people "chad" & "stacy" helps your mindset. If you're just gunna label everyone then you'll constantly be in an imaginary competition.

Man, it sounds like you found a quality gym

Generally don't agree with Incels as a whole but this was a good read and I actually got genuinely annoyed at those "stacys" while reading this.

You're not a subhuman. You're a wonderful human. ❤️

Im really glad they turned the experience around for you! Just remember that cunts like that are a very small minority in gyms and its not tolerated by anyone that can help it. People at the gym are nice and helpful and I hope this doesnt scare you off. Keep up the hard work and it will pay off sooner than you think!

And then everyone clapped.

I honestly didn't expect her, the Chad personal trainer or the Normans to stand up for an ugly ethnic subhuman like me. I was afraid they'd join in on the bullying like everyone else did when I was growing up.

They don't laugh at you. The only reason to laugh at someone who tries to improve themselves is because you are a bitter asshole.

Don't give up and serve that revenge ice cold.

These weren’t stacys, chads, Normans etc.

You were defended, from bullies, by normal people.

Remember this, because this is how the world actually is. Most people don’t care. They don’t care about you or me enough to do anything. You’re just a other person, and you can do anything else anybody else can do.

When you walk into a gym, you walk into a place full of normal people.

When you see a personal trainer, you see someone who has the drive to improve himself and his body.

Those girls, they are not “Stacys”. They may be physically beautiful, but most adults left that childish way of thinking when they went through college and got their first real job.

That was not a “chad”. That was a guy who liked working out, and he made a conscious decision to improve his physical well being by working out.

The people in that gym weren’t “Normans”. They were you. They were me. They were the average person who realized you were at the gym for the same reason they were: to make yourself a better person.

What they did was not strange. That’s what any community does for one of their own. You went to the gym to become healthy. Those other people went to the gym to get healthy too. Those other bullies weren’t, and they were kicked out because they had no business being there.

You may have low self esteem, but you’re not an incel. You don’t need sex. You need self fulfillment. find yourself a hobby and put everything of yourself into it.

Biking, working out, running, photography, painting, writing, birding, etc.

Find something and do it.

You’re never going to find a woman if you don’t first find fulfilment in who you are. People are attracted to individuals who are satisfied in themselves first. If you’re looking for fulfilment in sex with someone else, you’ll be chasing a nightmare you can’t wake up from.

But the most important part that you need to learn is you don’t need anybody else but you. You need to learn to be happy and fulfilled on your own, even if you never find a girlfriend.

Because, at the end of the day, a girl will never make you happy. Sex will never make you happy. Nobody else owes you anything. At the end of the day, if you are seeking fulfilment in someone else or some other activity, you will always be at the mercy of someone else or that other activity.

You will always depend on your girlfriend’s opinion to feel good. You will always depend on your camera to like yourself. You’ll depend on your ability to skate go feel fulfilled. You’ll depend on how you look to be happy.

Once you learn self fulfillment, once you find out how to be satisfied in who you are, that’s when you’ll finally be everything you wish you could be. You’ll be happy with or without a woman, with or without a hobby, with or without a job. If your happiness lies in a person, activity, or object, you will be at the mercy of that person, activity, or object to be happy.

But, if you truly learn and find self fulfilment, you’ll be truly happy no matter who you’re with, what you’re doing, or what you have.

This is the best comment on this sub 10/10

Thank you, and I meant it from my heart.

Honestly, i’m surprised at how self destructive this community, as a whole, is. I wandered on for the curiosity and laughs at just how ridiculous the ideology in here can be.

But it’s genuinely shocking to me just how surprised these guys act when people act normal. they’ve taken this self hatred of their virginity so far that people acting normal surprises or angers them.

How are they ever going to improve if that is their mentality?

When I said those “Normans” and “chads” that defended him were you, me, and him, I meant it. I’ve had the pleasure of participating in a few clubs, and that is exactly how most people in a club will act when one of their own is attacked, or when someone new is being harassed.

The core problem of incel ideology is the idea that sex is owed them. As long as that forms the core of their self identity, no self improvement can be made because the world will always look hostile as intimidating.

I really hope he read my message and it motivated them, because if he fully adopts what this subreddit has to offer, i’m afraid he’ll fall into the same cycle of self hatred and misogyny that the rest of the regular patrons of this sub has fallen into.

Let's hope many people here see your comment. I was once just as insecure about everything and honestly, places like this sub would've pushed teenage me in a very bad direction. I'm lucky enough to have a great group of friends who always accepted me, but I was bullied a lot in school too, I was a fat, ugly kid and the girls I had a crush on pitied me at best.

In the end it took a conscious effort from myself to improve my physical and mental wellbeing on my own. I started working out and pursuing my hobbies (even though some people made fun of them) and maybe most importantly, I slowly but steadily learnt to not give a fuck about what random people think of me. My psychedelic experiences probably did their part towards finding myself aswell.

I was a depressed, lonely, fat, aggressive little shit at one point. I know how many people here feel. If I made it, they can make it too. But collectively wallowing in self pity and hate for the world isn't gonna fix anything.

I’m not surprised it’s become what it is. It’s difficult for a support group to be positive and successful when the whole point of the group is to leave the group.

your comments have blown me away.

thank you for your kindness to the original poster. some others of us appreciated it also. i did so so much

It means a lot to me to know my words are having a positive impact on people, even months after I made them.

I’m in awe that my comment is the top comment in the top post of all time somewhere, and in happy to know that (for now, at least) I’m known for doing good.

I hope to continue being a good person and improving myself every day.

Hi! I noticed you deleted your post, but I'd love to read it. I don't suppose you could restore it, or post it up somewhere else?

Cheers

That’s odd, it still seems up to me. Here is a link to the comment.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/7wsk9l/comment/dv36r0w?st=JJPU0GQU&amp;sh=e9c0bd7f

Give me a second to copy the text as well.

Well just a heads up that means one of the braincels mods deleted your post, damn shame too.

https://imgur.com/a/btvStUF is how it looks from my side.

Keep fighting the good fight out there

Wow, honestly, that’s an amazing complement from the mod team.

As of the last time I received a reply, I had over 4.8k karma on that comment alone, and I got a bunch more replies because somebody had quoted my comment in r/bestof

I guess this proves what everybody things: these people are genuinely not interested in improving their lives. My comment was, apparently, the top comment in the sub for the past 5 or 6 months. I guess they couldn’t handle the traffic of people agreeing with an encouraging post. Such a sad and self defeating ideology.

Just because, here is the text again, so it’s in two places and people can read it again:

These weren’t stacys, chads, Normans etc.

You were defended, from bullies, by normal people.

Remember this, because this is how the world actually is. Most people don’t care. They don’t care about you or me enough to do anything. You’re just a other person, and you can do anything else anybody else can do.

When you walk into a gym, you walk into a place full of normal people.

When you see a personal trainer, you see someone who has the drive to improve himself and his body.

Those girls, they are not “Stacys”. They may be physically beautiful, but most adults left that childish way of thinking when they went through college and got their first real job.

That was not a “chad”. That was a guy who liked working out, and he made a conscious decision to improve his physical well being by working out.

The people in that gym weren’t “Normans”. They were you. They were me. They were the average person who realized you were at the gym for the same reason they were: to make yourself a better person.

What they did was not strange. That’s what any community does for one of their own. You went to the gym to become healthy. Those other people went to the gym to get healthy too. Those other bullies weren’t, and they were kicked out because they had no business being there.

You may have low self esteem, but you’re not an incel. You don’t need sex. You need self fulfillment. find yourself a hobby and put everything of yourself into it.

Biking, working out, running, photography, painting, writing, birding, etc.

Find something and do it.

You’re never going to find a woman if you don’t first find fulfilment in who you are. People are attracted to individuals who are satisfied in themselves first. If you’re looking for fulfilment in sex with someone else, you’ll be chasing a nightmare you can’t wake up from.

But the most important part that you need to learn is you don’t need anybody else but you. You need to learn to be happy and fulfilled on your own, even if you never find a girlfriend.

Because, at the end of the day, a girl will never make you happy. Sex will never make you happy. Nobody else owes you anything. At the end of the day, if you are seeking fulfilment in someone else or some other activity, you will always be at the mercy of someone else or that other activity.

You will always depend on your girlfriend’s opinion to feel good. You will always depend on your camera to like yourself. You’ll depend on your ability to skate go feel fulfilled. You’ll depend on how you look to be happy.

Once you learn self fulfillment, once you find out how to be satisfied in who you are, that’s when you’ll finally be everything you wish you could be. You’ll be happy with or without a woman, with or without a hobby, with or without a job. If your happiness lies in a person, activity, or object, you will be at the mercy of that person, activity, or object to be happy.

But, if you truly learn and find self fulfilment, you’ll be truly happy no matter who you’re with, what you’re doing, or what you have.

EDIT: wow, thanks for the gold!

Brilliant!

But it’s genuinely shocking to me just how surprised these guys act when people act normal.

They act that way because it's not as normal as you think. I have faced nothing but hostility from the human species and have never and can never experience what this injured individual has in this gym. You consider this exchange "normal" because you are frankly socially privileged. You were likely born into a family that did not reject you and at least some people in grade school did not reject you either. In contrast, every human being - including every member of my family - has rejected me so far, with no change reasonably forecast. I have to imagine that OP also has had to deal with life-long rejection from both family and peers.

Simply put, what you consider normal is defined by your individual upbringing and is unique to you. Please consider that there are many people in the world that consider the opposite "normal" because of what they had to suffer through during their chilhood.

I don’t know what else to say. If you generally find humanity so evil and repulsive, stop complaining about it and learn to make a life for yourself without it. When faced with difficulty or struggle, there are only two good options: adapt or overcome.

It does you, and no one else, to sit in a forum festering over your hatred sun the human experience. I would hope hand one day you experience something that gives your life meaning, but rather than wait around, why not create that experience for yourself?

Without a woman, without wasting time on something as ephemeral as sex, why not dedicate your time to some other, meaningful endeavor. Do you hate the world? Work to change it. As Ghandi said “be the change you want to see in the world”. If you’ve not had anything but hostile experiences, return evil for good instead and make the world around you a better place instead of waiting around hoping the good will own day come to you.

Or, if you see that as impossible, why not simply remove yourself from the cause of your pain entirely. Forget women (or men, if you happen to be a female incel, and just dedicate all of the time that could be wasted on that to something that would provide your life with the meaning you seek.

But being an incel is an insult to your intelligence and integrity. To form a self identity from your lack of sex, them turn right around and vilify the object that would free you from your condition (because, lets face it, incels do not view women as people, but as objects) makes no sense. Incels spend so much time hating the very thing they want to have.

Why?

If I hated basketball, I wouldn’t okay the game while constantly talking bad about it.

If I hated cars, I wouldn’t buy one.

If I hated women, why would I spend so much time obsessing about them.

Rather than take issue with a word I used, why not address the comments I made. Yes, these people may have grown ip with a different normal than the rest of us. This still does not excuse them from any other point I made.

Make a new normal, then. Plenty of people have come from horrible conditions and made legends of themselves. Stories of immigrants with nothing who migrated to another country and built for for themselves lives and companies are regularly shared on reddit with surprising frequency. Subscribe to r/getmotivated.

Sure, not all of us will achieve the game and fortune we see others enjoy on TV, but all of us are capable of achieving contentment with who we are and the relationships we develop with others.

But it starts with one step, and that step, for incels, is to shed themselves of a self identity rooted in an obsessive hatred about their lack of sex and beginning to develop their self esteem through any of the multitude of endeavors a human can experience.

Because, whatever their normal may be, it is nowhere close to healthy to make the very object of your focused hatred the masochistic answer to the problems you face.

I am not an incel. I wholeheartedly reject incel's philosophy of misogyny, etc. and am an avid (yet shy) feminist. I am however a misanthrope - but only because I have been abused my entire life by every person I have encountered. I have Complex PTSD and physical brain trauma which effectively prevents treatment for the PTSD.

Seeing as your post mostly assumed I was, it leaves me little else to work with.

One of the key things I can pick out is your assumption of relative wealth. I am poor - and I don't mean just money poor, I mean I have a complete lack of resources for all definition of resource. My parents did absolutely nothing to raise me; if I couldn't read information out of a book I never got that information. I have no access to the sum of social values people possess so no amount of social skill does any good. I grew up poor and am still poor despite having a valuable work skill because people still harbor the bullshit clique attitudes they had in first grade. What little resources I have must go to defending myself against constant credible attempts at assault and/or robbery. When you say shit like "make a life for yourself without it", "why not create that experience for yourself", or "make a new normal, then" you show you don't understand that shit is permanently out of my price range - and that's because you assholes won't treat me as an equal trading partner! You people create the hardships I face then punish me when I can't do shit because of those hardships you placed on me for your own fucking amusement.

One other thing - I don't give a flying fuck about sex. Now, that may very well be because a lifetime of stress crashed my libido but you could lop off my berries and that would be more of a blessing than a curse. I would give both nuts to finally be treated as an equal human being in this world instead of an object and I would consider it a bargain. If anything, humanity's obsession with sex has harmed me indirectly through the incels and their woman-hatred. The women hate me probably because of them.

I don't want to hate people - I want to be your ally but you people will never see me as anything but an insect and I have done nothing to deserve this treatment. Your hatred of me is your responsibility and I am not going to enable your eternal abuse by shouldering it myself.

Message 2/10. Delivery 9/10. You have a good grasp of the written word and a great ability to convey it. You aren't as lacking in resources as you say, otherwise your delivery would match the message. Perhaps you should build wealth by writing.

Agreed, I was very surprised. This was a far more articulate response from someone I can definitely see is not an incel.

And, while I understand sometimes people are born situations they cannot change, this person still makes,the mistake of blaming the other. Even though they may be poor, even though the situation they may be in is out of their power to change, it is still their duty to change whatever they can about their life so they are satisfied.

Yes, it would be great if everybody had equal footing in life, but that isn’t the case. I, myself, came from a relatively well off background because of the sacrifices my parents made to keep my brother and out of slums and projects growing up.

But this person stated they outright hate humanity in their first reply. I don’t really know what else to offer in that regard. If they hate humanity because they’ve only experienced hostility, I maintain they’re are only 2 acceptable outcomes: adapt or overcome.

But this person has chosen to fester. While I sympathize with their situation, I can’t really offer anything beyond pity. They are choosing to make of their situation the worst of what they can make it, instead of the best. And everybody has the power to be content with what they have no matter where they are in life, because self satisfaction had nothing to do with what a person lacks materially. I won’t deny that life may be harder for them, but I fail to see why they must hate humanity so passionately.

My ability to write is not an asset. No one believes what I say. Everyone calls me a liar. Every expression puts me at risk of assault.

Besides, almost no one gets rich by writing. You can't reliably make a living at it.

almost no one gets rich by writing

I'm not rich, by any means, but I spent a good ten years making my living as a writer.

You can most certainly reliably make a living at it. The other two folks are right, you've got a good grasp of the written word.

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it.

The problem is marketing and advertising your goods. The writing field, unless you know someone or have someone to vouch for you or spare any money for advertising and marketing, is oversatuated.

Depends entirely on what you write. If you're talking about fiction or creative non-fiction, sure. You essentially work for yourself and, unless you've "made it", must advertise and market your writing.

Side note: In general, any field you set out to work in, some self-advertisement and networking and "who you know" is going to be required. Nature of the beast, I'm afraid.

But I worked in technical writing for a decade. So what you're talking about isn't really part of the equation (except for that aforementioned modicum of self-marketing you have to do with any job). Technical writing is a great career for anyone with a strong command of the English language and a good handle on technology. Plus, the field is finally getting interesting after years of being centered around manuals.

Depends entirely on what you write. If you're talking about fiction or creative non-fiction, sure. You essentially work for yourself and, unless you've "made it", must advertise and market your writing.

Then how do you advertise and market your writing with no money or people willing to vouch for you?

Like I said later in that post, I made my living as a technical writer, not a fiction writer. But, since you asked, you advertise and market your writing the old fashioned way:

1. Start by writing. Every day. All the time. Like it's a job, even if you're not getting paid for it (yet). Even if it's garbage. Even if you hate what you write. Even if you spend however long you commit to writing just dumping out eight pages of nothing but "FUCK ME I HATE THIS THIS IS THE WORST WHY AM I DOING THIS I AM A FRAUD."
   
2. Start a blog or self-post on Reddit in an alt account tied to your actual real name to keep that writing. Having a blog that you commit to publishing to, daily, is good practice for #1, will reduce the likelihood that you do nothing but self-harm and, bonus, it's a free place to dump your work for #3.
3. When you have something, enlist friends, family, /r/writing, me, if you like, to read and edit your stuff. Welcome to beta reads and now be prepared for harsh, grating, soul-crushing criticism. Take it. Become a masochist. Learn to love that pain, as it will only get worse, later. Accept every critique, every suggested edit, every note you get with grace, because you need it. Know that you don't have to do exactly what your beta readers suggest that you should do, but do listen to them and take the time to honestly consider what they suggest. As a writer, you'll have a super unhealthy tendency towards what I call "first draft blindness". You think the shit you vomit up in the first round is gold. It's not. It is both shit and vomit.
4. Edit. Edit. Edit. Edit. Edit. Edit. Rewrite. Edit. Throw it in the garbage and drink yourself into a crying fit you pass out from. Pull it out of the garbage. Find the core thing in the first thing you wrote that is actually amazing. Remind yourself that pressure and time make diamonds. Edit. Edit. Edit. Rewrite.
5. After you've been through the gauntlet of beta reads and edits and tears, you have something. You have something. Jesus Christ, it actually sounds good. You don't cringe when you read it. It's time to shop. And you start your shop by figuring out the appropriate market for your work.
6. Hey, guess what, did you think the edits process was bad? It wasn't. The shopping process is really bad. Hopefully you grew the thickest skin during beta reads and edits, because you're about to get a shitload of "No thanks". Save the first one you get and frame it. It'll keep you honest. In general, you'll get three types of rejections: a.) Silence. You'll get this a lot from long-form publishers. To be perfectly honest, as a new writer, you really shouldn't be trying to get a novel published. It happens, but it's like winning the lottery or getting noticed at a gas station and becoming a famous person that way. You'll also get this from low-quality journals and monthly pubs. If you submit to a magazine and don't get a response, never submit to these people again. b.) "Thank you, but we're not looking for submissions of this type/genre/low quality." This is semi-helpful. Type and genre, you just picked the wrong publication or the right publication at the wrong time. It happens. c.) A rejection letter, but one filled with suggestions on how to make your work better. C is the best kind of rejection letter. Because, for one, they actually read it and liked it enough to offer suggestions on how to get published there. Do whatever they say and resubmit. Or submit a new work considering their suggestions.
7. Rinse and repeat.
   

Self-marketing is actually pretty easy these days. You'll do it through your blog, through posts on Reddit, if you're comfortable in front of a camera, you can add some youtube stuff. Write a lot for free in places like /r/writingprompts; if you do sci-fi/fantasy, make flash fiction submissions over at 365tomorrows.com (those are some seriously decent people).

It was a lot harder when I was getting started, when "having a blog" wasn't something you really did. Over time, you'll start to build a name for yourself and you'll start getting some solicitations. If you get requests for edits or advance reads from established authors, take them. It's a great way to start back pocketing some contacts.

Fiction writing you only need superb advertising and marketing techniques if you self publish. The whole point of the publishing industry is that you are giving up a percentage of the money you make from sales to have a company do that for you because they have resources for it and people whose lives are dedicated to it. Note, you DO still need to develop those skills to some degree even as someone published by a big name publisher because they won't throw their full weight behind you unless your work went to auction or you have shown you can sell. Primarily that involves things like social media and blogging that don't require money, though admittedly you can start to get into things like book tours, which won't be covered by the publisher unless they see you as a star.

...that's getting off topic though since it requires you to first sell your work. But there is nothing preventing that and it doesn't take a cent on your part beyond the opportunity cost in the time spent writing. Agents don't take any money from you directly, they make their money entirely as a percentage of your contract.

I theoretically make a living as a computer programmer - except of course no one treats me as an equal human begin, so it's hard to get any job.

Also, that's not even the most important part. Every ounce of information I write is a liability. Everything I put out there someone will use against me. I can't even put out my career information to get a job because people will use it to prevent me from getting one.

I don't know what that means,

... no one treats me as an equal human being... Every ounce of information I write is a liability. Everything I put out there someone will use against me.

And this other stuff,

No one believes what I say. Everyone calls me a liar. Every expression puts me at risk of assault.

What even is that? All of that is hyperbole. I don't know you to assault you or hate you or whatever it is you seem to think every human being on earth does/is doing to you. That's either some next-level solipsism or you're engaging in some bizarre metaphor no one but you is gonna get because, again, we don't know who you are. I plopped in here from /r/bestof because I saw some more nonsense about how writing or an English major or whatever can't make money and it's... so, so tiring to read.

Maybe I don't understand the psychology that goes on in this sub.

At any rate, if you're interested in practical advice, I wrote a big giant post somewhere in this thread explaining the process of getting published.

Where did I lose you?

no one treats me as an equal human being

Do you how racists treat anyone not white? That's how I'm treated by everybody. Everyone considers me a dangerous "freak"; no one accepts me into their in-groups. How is this confusing?

Every ounce of information I write is a liability. Everything I put out there someone will use against me.

Again, how is this confusing?

I don't know you to assault you or hate you or whatever it is you seem to think every human being on earth does/is doing to you.

Your not knowing me enables you behavior. You don't care if you step on insects because you don't know them. That's precisely why you'll step on me. If you saw me in real life your brain would reject the idea that I was a human being - your instincts would insist on it. That is how everyone behaves toward me.

Maybe I don't understand the psychology that goes on in this sub.

I'm not an incel or a member of this sub, so maybe that's what's confusing you.

if you're interested in practical advice

No amount of "practical advice" can overcome instinctual hatred.

What I say is neither metaphor or hyperbole. Your belief that is it is simply you being wrong about humanity. You hold humanity in too high of esteem; you give them too much credit. Human beings are vicious tribal assholes who are psychologically proven to be hostile to all they consider the "other" and all people consider me the "other". What is so confusing about that?

Where did you lose me? Here, at this moment, when you started responding to all of the obvious good will from your fellow redditors with a bunch of shitty condescension and wet blanketry. Did it occur to you that your attitude might be why people don't like to hang out with you?

Everyone considers me a dangerous "freak"; no one accepts me into their in-groups. How is this confusing?

Easy. I don't know you personally. I have approximately 0 context for any of that. You appear to be a smart guy/gal, I think you can probably connect the dots.

Again, how is this confusing?

The thing about how every ounce of information you write is a liability and that somehow, through magic or shadowy technology or invisible conspiracy, it will be used against you? How is that confusing?

Gosh, I dunno. In what way is your writing a "liability"? How exactly is someone gonna "use it against you"? Be prepared to show your work, kiddo.

Your not knowing me enables you behavior. You don't care if you step on insects because you don't know them.

I don't care if I step on insects because they're fucking insects---or, in the case of the cockroaches that plague the city I live in, because they're everywhere. Those are real cockroaches, by the way, not metaphorical ones. I don't step on people.

That is how everyone behaves toward me.

You've met everyone in the world?

If you saw me in real life your brain would reject the idea that I was a human being...

You don't know my brain, my life, my history, or me. And you're gonna make some bullshit assumption about who I am and how I might react? Why, because you're overweight? Because you don't fit conventional standards of beauty? Guess what, sport, neither do I. Neither do most of us. I went and got a sense of humor; what are you doing about it?

Humanity, en masse, can, of course, be xenophobic murderous fuckheads. You win the No Shit award. Or the You've Read Some Basic History award. Cool. But individual humans can also be vibrant, artistic, emotionally invested, empathetic, intelligent, fully realized people. It's weird to see you accuse all of humanity of dehumanizing you while you dehumanize everyone else.

If your next response will be equally condescending and shitty, don't waste time writing it.

Did it occur to you that your attitude might be why people don't like to hang out with you?

You are confusing cause and effect. I developed the "attitude" AFTER forty years of being beaten nearly to death. Your bullshit caused the attitude; my attitude did not cause the bullshit. I spent the early part of my life being the nicest person around, only to be shit on, taken advantage of, and given lethal amounts of organ damage to. I turned despondent when I found out your assaults gave me only what is now eighteen months left to live.

obvious good will from your fellow redditors

How gullible are you? There is no "good will"; there are no "fellow" redditors - they are lying to me and you are apparently stupid enough to buy it whereas I am not.

I don't know you personally.

Why do you think you need to know me personally to understand this? I mean seriously, what is the though process here? My information is not necessary to parse this. If you think it is, you thought processes are simply incorrect.

I don't care if I step on insects because they're fucking insects

And people think I'm an insect too. Do I seriously have to draw you a picture?

You've met everyone in the world?

I know psychology, sociology, and anthropology, so I don't have to "meet everyone in the world" to know how they behave.

You don't know my brain, my life, my history, or me.

You're a human being, right? That's all I have to know. There has never been an exception to this behavior and you are not going to be the first.

And you're gonna make some bullshit assumption about who I am and how I might react?

Yes I am, because that's how statistics work. When literally every human being from birth to majority - including your own family - abuses you to the point of physical disfigurement and permanent mental and physical injury FOR NO GODDAMN REASON you can safely predict that all other people will do the same. You cannot have a behavior base that perfect and not have it a core, instinctual part of the species. To abuse is human. You can't not behave the same way; your genetics won't let you.

Why, because you're overweight? Because you don't fit conventional standards of beauty?

I have neither of these flaws. I am plain in every way. People hate me because of my identity. I have changed everything else to suit you assholes, and nothing is good enough for you. You hate me precisely because of what I cannot change. You hate me because of me.

But individual humans can also be vibrant, artistic, emotionally invested, empathetic, intelligent, fully realized people.

No they can't. They are lying to you, and you are stupid enough to believe them.

It's weird to see you accuse all of humanity of dehumanizing you while you dehumanize everyone else.

I am humanizing them because humans ARE monsters. To be a human is to BE a monster. And you hate me because I refuse to be a monster like you.

If your next response will be equally condescending and shitty, don't waste time writing it.

Fuck you. I'll give you the speech you need, and you'll take it.

Just an FYI: Read through your comment history. It's nothing but people being kind and supportive to you, and then you shitting all over them. Your victim complex is destroying your life, not other people.

They are NOT being kind! They are fucking lying to me and they are being so obvious about it! How the fuck can you not see through their bullshit? How gullible are you? Do I need to take advantage of your gullibility until you are destroyed for you to see how easy a mark you are?

No human being ever willingly tells me the truth unless the truth can hurt me more than any lie. It simply doesn't make strategic sense to tell me the truth unless it is the most damaging option. Anything less puts them in a weaker position and risks their life if I manage to parlay their failures into a strong enough position. This is war for my life and they can't afford a sub-optimal strategy.

Why would all these people like to you? Those same people are nice and helpful to every other person they interact with on Reddit. Why is it lying only with you? We don't know you from anyone else, why would we treat one random stranger different from another?

I understand that you've had a history of trauma at the hands of others and I'm genuinely sorry that's happened to you. But that doesn't mean that everyone wants to hurt or lie to you. In this case, I'm only responding to you because it's clear you're troubled and I have a natural empathetic desire to help, most people do.

You talk about "strategic sense", what would strategy have to drive with people commenting to you on Reddit? Nobody knows you from anyone else. And risking lives? Honestly, you're whole response is a red flag that you have possible mental health issues that need to be addressed. I'm not going to try and armchair diagnose you, I just know that the level of paranoia you seem to be constantly in is not normal and not conducive to a happy life and existence.

I hope you're able the get help, and I wish you well. Genuinely.

Why would all these people lie to you? Those same people are nice and helpful to every other person they interact with on Reddit. Why is it lying only with you? We don't know you from anyone else, why would we treat one random stranger different from another?

I DON'T KNOW! All I know is that this behavior has been consistent from childhood. You cannot miraculously switch from unanimously beating a child half to death to not beating that same person as an adult.

But that doesn't mean that everyone wants to hurt or lie to you.

YES IT DOES!!! That's exactly what it means! You do not understand statistics and the limits of humankind. Humans are not butterflies - they cannot change that much during their lifetime. A species who - to the last man, woman, and child - targets a person for violence and ridicule isn't going to magically stop at some point in the future. Let me switch this up: Why would they stop? What magical power would force an entire species to stop harassing an individual when they would'n have to?

You talk about "strategic sense", what would strategy have to drive with people commenting to you on Reddit?

The same strategy everywhere else; they feel the need to attack me because I am the ultimate "other" - an untouchable, unacceptable non-person that they irrationally feel threatens their existence.

Nobody knows you from anyone else.

"Knowing" has nothing to do with it. This is all driven by faulty instinct. My differences freak you out; your brains can't handle difference of my magnitude. You think I'm a monster who can hide in plain sight and that upsets you to the core. I'm a living uncanny valley.

Honestly, you're whole response is a red flag that you have possible mental health issues that need to be addressed.

My mental health issues - Complex PTSD - have been addressed and thanks to the physical injuries I also have (that you assholes gave me!) they cannot be treated. But my biggest problem is how you react to me having those issues. You caused my PTSD and now you want to kill me because I have it. Not only will you not accept your responsibilities for the injuries you all have inflicted on me, you want to continue injuring me until you are rid of me.

is not normal and not conducive to a happy life and existence.

I am not and cannot be interested in a "happy life" - Your injuries gave me anhedonia, the inability to perceive pleasure. You assholes literally stripped me of the ability to be happy with your beatings. All I have left is adherence to facts, moral integrity, and the satisfaction of a job well done - all of which you hate. You're incompetent, immoral, and false and love being so. You are willing to abuse me to chase you so-loved "happiniess" - that's why I've been made to suffer my nitrite life. I"m just a plaything to you assholes. An object. You will never consider me an equal human being - you can't cope with the idea someone so different is actually equivalent because then you'll have to re-examine all of your flaws and you can't deal with that.

I hope you're able the get help, and I wish you well. Genuinely.

The help I need is for you to recognize why you hate me and realize it's a false signal. Your gut is lying to you - I am not a threat. Until you admit that, all this is a waste of time.

One of the most telling things about my arguments with humanity is while you all claim you "wish me well" (nothing but virtue signalling), not one of you admit I am your equal. You can't even bring yourself to lie about that - your brains so reject that idea you can't even put them in text falsely. No one has accepted that I am their equal, even in jest. And you never will genuinely. You can't bring yourself to say it; you can't bring yourself to mean it. I am an untouchable to you.

Get fucked and die - your death is the only hope I have to live.

I DON'T KNOW! All I know is that this behavior has been consistent from childhood. You cannot miraculously switch from unanimously beating a child half to death to not beating that same person as an adult.

I understand that if someone beat and abused you as a child, you would not trust or want to be around that person as an adult. That is natural and wholly understandable. You were a victim and you are allowed to feel about your abusers whatever you want, abuse is something that happened to you and was outside of your control.

But what we're talking about here is people that do not know you, that did not abuse you or treat you badly. Have I done that? I've never not tried to talk to you as you seem like someone who needs someone to talk to.

YES IT DOES!!! That's exactly what it means! You do not understand statistics and the limits of humankind. Humans are not butterflies - they cannot change that much during their lifetime. A species who - to the last man, woman, and child - targets a person for violence and ridicule isn't going to magically stop at some point in the future.

To the last man, woman, and child, we all target you for violence and ridicule? Is that what you're trying to say? I don't want to misunderstand you so please correct me if I have that wrong. If that IS what you're saying, then you are without a doubt suffering from a serious paranoia disorder and need professional treatment from a psychiatrist. I do not know you from anyone, I only know your username. I have no desire to "target" you for any kind of ill will. Nobody I know does because we all don't know who you are.

Let me switch this up: Why would they stop? What magical power would force an entire species to stop harassing an individual when they would'nt have to?

Let's switch it up further: Why and how would all of mankind want to harass a single individual user on Reddit? That defies all logic and reason and simply is not a reality. If you do believe this is the case, again you need to seek psychiatric care.

The same strategy everywhere else; they feel the need to attack me because I am the ultimate "other" - an untouchable, unacceptable non-person that they irrationally feel threatens their existence.

Why would we feel any need to attack you? What makes you "other" or "untouchable"? I know nothing about you except that you seek troubled and seem to be struggling with feeling like everyone is against you from some reason. In no way does that threaten mine or anyone else's existence. I very simply empathize with someone who hurts. I've had my own struggles with depression, anxiety, having no self worth or self esteem. It's a terrible place to be in your own head and I hope you can get help.

"Knowing" has nothing to do with it. This is all driven by faulty instinct. My differences freak you out; your brains can't handle difference of my magnitude. You think I'm a monster who can hide in plain sight and that upsets you to the core. I'm a living uncanny valley.

What differences would freak me out? I don't know anything about you. Why would I think you're a monster? None of that statement makes any logical sense. There are things you could tell me that would make me think of you as a monster, definitely. Do you enjoy abusing children or animals? Do you enjoy hurting people? These are things that I would classify as monstrous.

My mental health issues - Complex PTSD - have been addressed and thanks to the physical injuries I also have (that you assholes gave me!) they cannot be treated. But my biggest problem is how you react to me having those issues. You caused my PTSD and now you want to kill me because I have it. Not only will you not accept your responsibilities for the injuries you all have inflicted on me, you want to continue injuring me until you are rid of me.

CPTSD I understand pretty well, I have a loved one with CPTSD. It does not cause the severe paranoid delusions that you are suffering from. There is a large gap between hyper-vigilance and the global conspiracy against you that you're describing. You say I caused your mental health issues, how? You say I want to kill you, what makes you think that? I have no desire for anything for you health and happiness. I did not cause you harm and wish you none.

The help I need is for you to recognize why you hate me and realize it's a false signal. Your gut is lying to you - I am not a threat. Until you admit that, all this is a waste of time.

I don't hate you, so I can't recognize a reason. I simply don't, I feel empathy for you. I have no reason to think you're a threat so I don't.

One of the most telling things about my arguments with humanity is while you all claim you "wish me well" (nothing but virtue signalling), not one of you admit I am your equal. You can't even bring yourself to lie about that - your brains so reject that idea you can't even put them in text falsely. No one has accepted that I am their equal, even in jest. And you never will genuinely. You can't bring yourself to say it; you can't bring yourself to mean it. I am an untouchable to you.

Why wouldn't I think we're equals? We're both human beings just trying to live, I have no reason to think I'm above you. You again say I can't nsider you an "untouchable", I don't know why you would think such a negative thing about yourself. I surely don't.

Get fucked and die - your death is the only hope I have to live.

Wow. If you wish harm and death upon strangers who try to offer help to you, there's not much else I can say. I hope you find happiness somehow.

that did not abuse you or treat you badly.

There is no such person. All human beings abuse me - that is human nature.

I've never not tried to talk to you as you seem like someone who needs someone to talk to.

No I don't - I'm only talking to you to keep you at bay! I'm talking to you to keep you from getting physical!

To the last man, woman, and child, we all target you for violence and ridicule? Is that what you're trying to say?

YES! That's how human beings work! Human beings are notorious for striking out against what they don't understand?

I have no desire to "target" you for any kind of ill will.

Yet. Being online makes it difficult, but not impossible, to trigger your instincts. You would not feel the same way in person.

Why and how would all of mankind want to harass a single individual user on Reddit?

It's not "a single individual user on Reddit" - it's any person different enough to not comprehend. I just happen to be one of those people. For a racist, any person not of their race fits the bill. I just don't have anyone else like me to partner up with. I have to fight a planet's worth of hate alone.

That defies all logic and reason and simply is not a reality.

That's because you're misunderstanding the problem. I hope the above clarifies. TL;DR: Prejudice against a "class" of people with one known member versus a class of people with many members.

Why would we feel any need to attack you?

Fear or pleasure. You are either afraid of me, or you get off overpowering me. Take you pick.

What makes you "other" or "untouchable"?

You know better than I do.

In no way does that threaten mine or anyone else's existence.

You are one of the few people on this planet who recognizes this.

What differences would freak me out? Why would I think you're a monster?

Purely the fact that I'm different from other people, because of my abuse. If people can kill for something as stupid as skin color, of course they will kill me for whatever reason.

global conspiracy

You said "conspiracy" - not me. I never claimed anyone was working together. They act the same because they're the same species - that's it.

You say I caused your mental health issues, how?

You plural, as in all human beings - I usually mean the plural when I say "you". Every person I have encountered so far has hurt me - it is perfectly correct to extrapolate that all other future people will do the same. You ALL behaved the same way, with so little difference between there's no point in measuring. The only way you all could act the same way is if that behavior is etched into your genes - it's a part of what makes you human. Therefore all people WILL act the same, because they can't not. The closest they can come to escaping their genetic urges is to have them beaten and shocked out of them as I had done to me. I will trust ONLY those tortured like I was; only they were properly taught self-control.

You say I want to kill you, what makes you think that?

Again, you're a human being, and all past human beings either tried to kill me, or cheered on those who did. Which are you? You have to be one.

I have no desire for anything for you health and happiness. I did not cause you harm and wish you none.

You actually expect me to believe you? Everyone else lies to me - hell, they lie to themselves. Why are you different?

I don't know why you would think such a negative thing about yourself. I surely don't.

I don't either - but you all act like I am. Many of you speak as if I am. You beat me every time I say I'm not. You all hate me because I refuse to kneel to you. You all hate me because I refuse to be dominated by you. You all can't stand that I defy you, so you dive into a blind rage, completely out of control. And you drive others into the same rage, turning a peaceful crowd into an angry mob. You won't accept me as your equal; you'd barely accept me as your slave. But I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees, and that literally blows your mind.

If you wish harm and death upon strangers who try to offer help to you

I am not wishing harm and death upon strangers who try to offer help to me; I wish harm and death upon strangers who are trying to lead me into an obvious trap. No one genuinely wants to help me. Quit thinking I'm stupid enough to fall for it.

I hope you find happiness somehow.

I have anhedonia - I literally cannot be happy. I know a happiness addict like you cannot understand but please quit rubbing it in my face.

>Besides, almost no one gets rich by writing. You can't reliably make a living at it.

Unless you get lucky or get vouched by someone. And getting vouched by someone is very difficult because the big guys are very difficult to contact or to get a reply back.

And no one will vouch for me because the entire point of the human species seems to be being my enemy, not my ally.

The guy I was talking to admits in this reply that the entire process of being successful is a lottery.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/7wsk9l/i_went_to_the_gym_for_the_first_time_yesterday/e2bm70q/?context=3&amp;utm_content=context&amp;utm_medium=message&amp;utm_source=reddit&amp;utm_name=frontpage

Have you had therapy?

I’ve worked for years with people with complex trauma, who have had the most horrendous lives, and know the difference that good therapy can have on someone’s quality of life.

Your complex trauma skews you to be distrustful of others how your beliefs are very negative, please get help or continue to participate in treatment, for yourself.

I have had extensive therapy. The problem is that the physical injuries (imagine a child being in a prize fight once a week during ten of his most formative years) effectively prevent therapies from working. As such, further therapy will not be effective.

Many of the therapies for trauma now involve more body work - sensorimotor therapy, yoga for trauma, EDMR etc. These may be more effective for you.

I know you won’t trust people and why. I’m sad this has been done to you.

Those are the precise therapies that don't work at all. My limbic system is so trashed and full of micro-strokes I can barely walk, much less do yoga. EDMR can't work because there's no longer a clean connection between both sides of my brain. The failure of EDMR (and weird symptoms) is what prompted my doctors to do a brain scan in the first place, discovering exactly how damaged my brain was. If you've heard of the damage football players suffer that has come out recently it's basically the same thing, except starting in toddler-hood.

I know you won’t trust people and why. I’m sad this has been done to you.

Vow to stop it happening to others. That's the only purpose my corpse serves now.

> wonders how a "community" (in the loosest sense of the word) built around the singular trait of considering yourself to be of such low worth that no female would ever want to be with them and thus harbouring enormous anger at the world and everyone in it can be "self destructive"

It's pretty much written on the tin, hombre. Even labelling yourself, in your inner dialogue (let alone fucking publicly), with such a ridiculous banner is by definition destructive and only worsening your own position.

One of the best comments I've seen on reddit. Compassionate wisdom.

YES YES YES

Wow. This is the most motivating and inspiring thing I've seen on Reddit. Hands down.

You deserved the gold. Great comment

Thank you so much for posting this comment here. I'm just lurking, and I find it really encouraging to see something like this upvoted so heavily. Most people are decent. And they don't fit into violently shortsighted pigeonholes either.

Late post but I honestly think you should be the mod for this sub.i was reading the response from other mods and they just continue to feed on the negativity that the posters w depression and issues are talking about. I think the people in this sub need your positivity and encouragement. Not the constant reminder that they are betas and all that other shit that's brainwashed in their minds.

When someone has hope, the others here should back them up and encourage them to break out of this mentality of lesser class citizens and needing a Chad face to land a stacy.

People always complaining that they could never be with a stacy because of inferior genetics. I'm sorry but that's all bullshit. Look around you there are plenty of ugly dudes who land attractive partners. And no you dont have to be rich. The SECRET to attracting people is to literally attract people. I'm not talking about physical looks. I'm talking about being INTERESTING. If you're ugly af but you're good at something, be it drawing or music or even league of legends, someone somewhere will admire you for it.

It's not always about looks. But if you embrace that you're not the media's definition of attractive, and you hold that against women, then you truly are an unattractive person from the inside, and you'll repel everyone around you except these other brainswashed people who believe the same thing.

This is the biggest problem I see with this sub. You’re always going to have communities where bad people show up, or communities with a larger population of negative members than others. But the biggest problem this sub has is that it is literally a positive feedback loop of negativity from the posting to the moderation.

I commented in another thread a few days later, backing up a young woman who was being harassed for expressing what women actually want in men, and why most people downvote and mock the people and ideas in this sub (short answer, I said that the core of incel philosophy is they base their entire self identity on sex, and how they haven’t had any, how no one wants to give it to them, but how they are somehow owed sex).

A mod removed it for generalizations and whatnot, quoting the part where I summarized the incel ideology. Some people proceeded to make terrible incel arguments, others tried to somehow claim the sub was not entirely full of people like that, etc. But, if that were truly the case, why were the top posts of of the month at the time all misogynistic, self-fulfilling pits of misogyny and misery? People mocking pictures of people in a relationship, calling it “sui fuel”, people trying to claim that incels are taxed more than people who have sex, others turning that around and trying to justify a government tax benefits for people who would have sex with incels, etc.

Give me a minute and i’ll like a wonderful conversation I had where I out trolled a guy who was trying to troll me.

This sub may have started out, in the distant past, as something different. But it’s quickly become a pit of misery, and it’s only gotten worse as the original incels sub got banned and the all migrated here, and to other misogynist, hate filled subs. If this sub was not as negative as they tried to convince me of, why would this post even have existed with the amount of surprise expressed in the comments over how well “normies” treated this guy?

I shared the conversation I had on the bad women’s anatomy sub. Yes, I do admit that I went into that particular sub rather guns a-blazin’, ready to laugh at the crazy ideas they had and maybe poke the bear. And poke I did. But that doesn’t make anything that i’ve said here, or there, any less legitimate.

These guys need to stop focusing on sex and start focusing on themselves while forgetting women and relationships entirely. Once they do, and find self fulfilment, they will find themselves attractive, and so will others.

On a more related note, I appreciate the sentiment, but in really not mod material. I have bouts of goodness and I can offer really good advice on a personal basis, but I couldn’t really deal with managing a large group of people like this. I can lead, but i’m strict, and I can be harsh, which is really the opposite of the kind of moderation this sub deserves.

I do hope these guys get the help they deserved. I was in a rather dark spot in my life once ask everybody deserves to feel loved and cared for. And I hope the moderation changes.

Reading OP's post and then your comments legitimately made me cry. I've been there too, and I hopy OP got to read what you said.

I don’t know what to say. I know they aren’t sad tears, but don’t cry 3: i’m glad I was able to help someone, and i’m glad my words continue to help others :)

That is beautiful

u type too much.

This is beautiful.

After the Toronto attack, I was curious to see what "incels" were all about. After exploring this sub for a good hour, I feel sooo bad for these people. Most of them are not at all malevolent and have simply fallen prey to a dangerous ideology. An aggressive, divisive ideology that offers hatred as a solution to life's struggles. An ideology that sees people not as individuals, but as one of several primitive categories ("Chads", "Stacys", "Normies", etc.) when things are infinitely more complex and multi-dimensional.

u/CCtenor's comment summarized this perfectly, and brought me to tears.

You’re never going to find a woman if you don’t first find fulfilment in who you are. People are attracted to individuals who are satisfied in themselves first. If you’re looking for fulfilment in sex with someone else, you’ll be chasing a nightmare you can’t wake up from.

There are plenty of insecure people in relationships. A romantic companion is not something that gives you happiness on its own, but it is impossible for the vast majority of people to be happy if you have never been loved by such a person.

I had a girlfriend. It ended with a terrible break-up. Do I act like most of the patrons here? No. I moved on and made something of myself, even though i’m still single more than 4 years later.

Happiness only comes from self satisfaction. You need to be content with who you were and who you are. It’s a constant state of self improvement.

Those “plenty of insecure people”? They will either overcome their insecurity, or it will manifest itself in a problem in the relationship, given enough time, and they will end up either hurting their partner or being hurt by their partner.

My ex and I were happy. She let insecurity, doubt, and fear eventually creep into the relationship. Instead of dealing with the issue, she forced a solution. We aren’t together anymore, and there’s no reason for me to go back.

And if I had been secure and satisfied with myself, I wouldn’t have spent the amount of time I did wallowing over something that ended dude to circumstances outside of my control. Now? I miss being in a relationship, but I understand myself enough to know i’m not ready for one right now. I’m happy anyways developing myself, my relationships with others, and my hobbies.

A romantic companion is not something that gives you happiness on its own

But it’s impossible for a person to experience such happiness in a relationship without proper self satisfaction first.

In reality, those normans were afraid the OP would get in his van and start driving around recklessly.

In reality, only you can choose to break free from this cycle of self hatred, or stay in it until it wears you down to nothing.

I was joking man. Maybe in bad taste.

Perhaps, but i’ll blame Poe’s Law for my confusion rather than get mad at you. It’s difficult to tell who believes what online, because there’s so many people that you can find someone who will believe anything and say it in all seriousness.

Beautifully said. I’m just like you, I come on here for laughs and giggles but some of these posts on here are legitimately worrisome sometimes. You’re doing good stuff and I couldn’t have thought of it better.

Well said man. Someone send this to bestof because idk how lol

Tony?...Tony Robbins?

This is beautiful. One of the truest things I've read

What a rude, condescending comment.

How so?

You're joking, right? Any normal human would ask you why you feel the need to be such a prick, lucky for you reddit hates incels.

There's condescension all throughout but a good example would be the "childish way of thinking" insult like it actually has bearing.

Stacy, Chad etc describe people who are taller and better than us, it doesn't describe every muscle bound asshole and Instagram whore.

These people will have a better life because of their bone structure, to deny that is tantamount to believing flat earth theory with how delusional it is.

I’m sorry that reality doesn’t jive with your personal convictions. I can tell you’re an incel based off of how you’re commenting, and i’ve gotten into Emil conversations, debates, and arguments with people like you to know the only thing you’re going to do is misunderstand the points I make and try to make it look like i’m the bad guy somehow.

But, the “childish way of thinking” comment isn’t condescending, it’s the sad ask unfortunate truth of the ideology you subscribe to. No one owes you guys sex. The only reason you guys are “involuntarily celibate” is because you guys lack the ability to realize no one owes you sex for existing, it consumes your identity, and it manifests itself in your self hatred and the animosity you have towards basically everyone else.

Finally, if your “bone structure” comment were in any way true, how is it that people with deformities seem to be able to get married just fine, like the picture of the couple with downs who were celebrating their anniversary that showed up in the front page recently?

Hey, how are you supposed to win if you give up so early in life the argument?

Honestly you can't expect anyone reading this to side with you, you sound like the worst of the incels.

I’ve already won. Between the karma on the comment you replied to, and how you’re already attacking me, I think it’s apparent to anybody reading this who actually has a handle on their life.

Let me ask you a handful of questions.

How long have you been an incel?

Since you became an incel, has that improved your life in any way?

Since becoming an incel, have you gotten laid, or have you managed to hold down a steady relationship?

I've been an incel for years, I just didn't know it until I found /r/incels in December of 2016.

Its helped me stay comfortable, in 2016 I was rejected so many times for things outside of my control but I thought more self improvement could fix me.

I held down a long distance relationship with someone who doesn't dislike the way I look, but she stopped being able to handle it due to other issues in her own life.

So, self hatred due to a lack of sex has been a part of your self identity for your whole life.

It makes you complacent.

And rather than think critically about what may have caused the end to your relationship, inceldom allows you to dismiss what happen by blaming your romer partner.

Well. I think your answers speak for themselves.

You're a funny guy, trying to tell the incel he's a real person in your parent comment but you're treating me like an entitled idiot because you don't know how to argue like an adult.

My relationship came to an end the day she told me "I can't do this anymore" and EXPLAINED WHY SHE BROKE UP WITH ME. Let me tell you, it wasn't my fault.

Why did she break up with you? And I don’t want to hear your interpretation. What did she say?

She said "you're not entitled to sex you goddamn retard"

No wait, it was something about her abusive mother having her cat put down.

So, your ex girlfriend was so terrible, you won’t even tell us what she said without embellishment to let her own word be a judgment against her character?

Yeah, it's got everything to do with embellishment and you're correct.

It's got nothing to do with the fact that we broke up months ago and I've been drinking all day.

Take a long look at yourself and your biases, hopefully you can grow up.

And I hope you realize that moving past the mistakes you’ve made and the wrongs that have been committed against you is better than sitting and sulking, blaming others for the situation in your life.

Man, if you think a few months is painful, come talk to me after you’ve spent 4 years hating yourself because of your ex breaking up with you. Then we’ll actually have something to talk about. Until then, you’ve still got 3 years and change to beat my record of recovery.

Cheers.

, if you think a few months is painful, come talk to me after you’ve spent 4 years hating yourself because of your ex breaking up with you. Then we’ll actually have something to talk about. Until then, you’ve still got 3 years and change to beat my record of recovery.

Goddamnit this hit hard,

3 years here. Joining the 4 year club soon probably

It really does get better, but didn’t necessarily rush it. There was a lot of listening I should have done that would have helped me get over everything faster, but it was also the end of my first relationship, so it’s not like I knew what to expect and it hit me like a semi.

I can’t really offer much more than it gets better as long as you’re willing to put in the effort. you might not make it to 4, or you may take longer, but don’t give up.

reddit hates incels

Not reddit, everyone; and rightfully so, because you define yourself by your wallowing in your own self-pity and already hate yourselves, so why should anyone else treat you any different?

Even after 3 months. This is my first time visiting this subreddit because I heard completely awful things about it and was curious, but damn it if I didn't come away from this with a renewed sense of purpose. Thank you.

That's one thing I like about my somewhat old gym--people of all ages and no one really gives anyone problems.

Bad part is a number of the cardio machines are always down.

Good part is, my membership is SO old (early 1980s, then it got sold and sold again & I was grandfathered through), my fee is only $50 PER YEAR, no monthly fee, and my husband can come with me free. He doesn't, but he could.

This post, or something like it, should be the top comment in reply to every single post in this sub.

You are far too kind. I’m no more or less special or smart than anybody here. I just happened to say the right words to someone at the right time sometimes.

Wishy washy bullshit that does not fit this forum at all.

Those were stacies, normans and chads. OP may never find a partner and that is upsetting and something to keep in mind. He can't just sit around and do nothing about it expecting one to land in his lap. He needs to learn how women work, why they're superficial cunts and how to play the game. Get that blue pill garbage out of here.

You’re right, OP cannot sit on his laurels and do nothing.

In fact, I said as much in my reply. He needs to work on himself, forget women for a while, and learn to be self sufficient and self satisfied.

But, with as much as I said, your answer indicates you don’t care to discuss anything I pointed out and are instead only interested in dismissing anything I have to say with no further argument.

I hope you have whatever you call a nice day, because I sure don’t know how you could call the state of rabid hatred you live in “good”.

Glad to know you judge me based on assumptions. Says a lot about your willingness to actually learn about our us opposed to the idea you think you can walk in here, know nothing about any of us and collectively solve our problems in one comment in a morally virtuous tone.

You stated in your original comment, “you may not find a partner” and then move onto another point entirely. How can you brush past this idea so easily and expect to have any relevance? It’s the entire issue why we are all here. And to you it means nothing.

We can learn to love our selves all we want, but if we never find a partner we all end back up here questioning and discussing the actual reasons why, such as: looks, social status, women’s hypergamy etc. And you admittedly think this is a bad place. I’ve loved myself plenty and been content with life, but ended up here because of the exact issues you think are irrelevant.

I could have handled OPs situation assertively but I’ve been where he is. Your comment doesn’t help because you’re not truly addressing reality. You’re just saying “it’ll be ok” instead of telling him what’s really going on and the real reasons why he shouldn’t give a fuck about what some superficial whores think.

Get the fuck out.

I’ve interacted with enough of you to know you’re not interested in any kind of actual discussion, that’s why. In another comment I made, no matter how rationally I addressed the situation, my opponent merely continued to try and dismiss the smallest parts of my arguments by repeatedly stating his own beliefs.

I did not come in here to address any of you. I came in here to address OP, who I saw as someone in need of a good word to prevent him from fomenting in the self hatred that would turn him into an incel.

An incel that may one day end up advocating for the rape, incest, and castration that got the original incel sub shut down months ago.

My words to you, however, are the same as the ones I wrote to OP, yet unwavering and stern.

Turn away from your self hatred. It is wholly counterproductive to make the object of your unseasoned hatred the thing that will rid you of your self hatred. Hating the women that can give you sex will not solve your lack of sex, or make women want to have sex with you any more than punching a safe will make it open.

You cannot give to someone else what you do not first have, so a relationship will not fix the self satisfaction you seek.

That’s all I have to add. Good night.

Nice moral pedestal bro. You’re above discussion because you don’t like stereotyp- oh wait, you just stereotyped me... If you actually were interested in critical concepts and not just getting a pat on the back for spouting basic self help advice while ignoring specifics, then maybe you’d actually have something to say.

What’s another commenter got to do with me? Oh wait, we’re all the same...but we shouldn’t define ourselves by such an identity...im confused...

I don’t hate myself. Where did you infer that from?

You did nothing to stop OP from hating himself. What you did was actually worse by sending him down a path without the truth and how to actually tackle it. Something he’s been following his entire life that has led him to such a state of mental fragility. He should just ‘get over’ his lack of ability to acquire sex. It doesn’t actually mean anything, right? We’re just robots after all.

an incel that may advocate for rape

Wow you really do paint us all with the same brush. I knew this about you when I read your first comment and how irrelevant it actually was to why we are all here. You truly know nothing about us as people. We’re just a group to you. Typical modern virtue signalling normie.

Bottom line is women judge men on a set of values and society never tells men what these values are while actively lying about them. Here we are talking about them and deciding what we can do about them. Your advice is “just forget about it bro. Build a boat”. No advice on solving the actual issue or addressing the real reason we’re here.

Lol. Let me reiterate. Get the fuck out.

I’ve said what I wanted to say. Take it or leave it. I’m here to stay, and I’m not moving. If you don’t like it, prove me wrong.

I thought your previous message was the last one? You even said good night. Damn do you even understand what credibility means? Lol. Typical normie. Better than us without ever having to assess himself. Good luck in life wearing those blinders. I wish I was privileged enough to only see what fits into my world view. Unfortunately I have to be objective or perish. But you could never understand... 😔 sigh

I need to paint this quote on my ceiling. Thank you for being a human being. <3

Awww, thank you, this means a lot to me n_n I hope you have fun with your painting :)

wow.

well done. stunning.

You need to up your reading comprehension son bcause you just replied to a $100% made up story. GG, WP.

Short of OP outright admitting thus was a made up story, what in it gives you any indication that this couldn’t be a plausible experience?

I've added more.

Nothing about anything you’ve written sounds in any way implausible to me, short of the outright ban, which OP would have no way of knowing happened but would be an easy point to exaggerate if he only saw,the consequences in passing after being in a distressed emotional state.

But i’ve personally been witness to exactly this situation happening in various places both online and in real life, and heard recollections of this happening to plenty of other people often enough, so absolutely none of this strikes me as something entirely outside the realm of possibility.

Nice try.

Thanks for the gold? Fuck, you deserve an award for your concise and hard hitting truth bomb. Wished I could’ve said the same thing to my incel friend. He’s much better now precisely because of that: finding self fulfilment and subsequently, happiness.

virtue signaller. fuck off

Thank you very much for this comment, I needed it, and I hope you yourself are in a good place where you accept and love yourself very much. Comments like this aren't very common, but very appreciated for anyone going through a rough time in their life.

She wasn’t a Stacy and he wasn’t a chad

They were just normal people

She was a goodhearted stacy, rare of a kind. I bet she's getting railed by chad every day.

My man. When I read the title I was fuming. Anyone who puts other people down when they'reout there making an effort to better themselves is a real piece of shit. I'm glad that it ended up being a positive experience for you, and just so you know I'd have done the same thing as Chad if I've seen it. Those bitches deserved a smack, but being publicly called out and banned is pretty fitting as well. Keep up with the gym man, it'll take about six weeks before you start seeing visible results but once you do it's just gonna keep getting better, your confidence will grow and it will effect every aspect of your life; the way you self-talk, your posture, the way you feel when you get up in the morning and start your day. Your interpersonal relationships will improve with your overall mood and outlook. It's gonna be badass. I'm excited for you brother!

I'm so glad that they stood up for you, helped you, and called those bullies out! There are good people in the world.

And you know what? You're one of them. I hope you know that what those bullies think has nothing to do with your worth and value as a human being. And even though no one has stood up for you before, that's merely a reflection of the spirits of all those people who chose not to help. They can't take away your worth and humanity. Just don't forget that.

You have to be pretty insecure to laugh at someone in a gym. You should feel sorry for them as they will almost surely die unhappy.

Nope. A woman's appearance ages like milk. If they are already insecure when they are young 7s and 8s they are going to have a bad time once they hit 30. Probably before.

ahahaha trust me man your opinion is not the normal one.

When your only redeeming quality is looks and your body, you tend to get used. Those things don’t last forever. My ex was drop dead gorgeous but she turned out being a sociopath slut...good riddance

This is an awesome story! It's always so nice to hear about justice in the world!

And the Chad’s name? Albert Einstein.

Thanks for realizing that not everyone is an a-hole. And I’m so sorry for your experience.

Did the reception lady give you %100$ as compensation?

I take it this is your way of saying /r/thathappened. Every gym I have ever been to has a culture that would have reacted the same way.

I’m a normie myself and would have alerted staff to the bullying the second I saw it happening. The gym is a place where everyone should be able to go and focus on their own goals without being judged or made to feel beneath others.

I don't think he's saying that the gym wouldn't react that way, but rather, the girls wouldn't act that way in the first place. I don't doubt that it happens every once in a very rare while, but in my decade or so of gym-going I've never seen anyone make fun of someone else for being at the gym. People like that are pieces of shit, and most people aren't pieces of shit.

That said, whether or not OP's story is true is a moot point. It's a heartwarming story either way.

A normal person wouldn't refer to themselves as a normie

I was using the local language to make a point. Also, why wouldn’t a normal person refer to themselves as a normie? From what I gathered poking around here, there are incels, normies, and chads. Is normie not the most desired of the three?

no chad is. normie is mid tier.

I thought Chads were pretentious douchebags though? Wouldn’t it be better to be attractive and successful without being a shitty person?

lmao you think the average person is attractive and successful. the average normie is moderate to good looking and moderately successful. Chad is just the cream of the cop of males.

Everything I have seen has said that Chads are womanizers and assholes. That’s the only way it makes sense. In reality, ‘normie’ just needs to mean ‘non-incel’ because virginity is binary. That makes Chads a subsection of normies who are douchebags.

nothing about chad implies douche bag. He's just attractive, social and strong thats it. There are good chads and bad chads.

Why are you downvoting me on a 2 month old thread with just the two of us talking? Lmao

I’ve always seen Chad thrown around as a disparaging term. Hell, even the name invokes an image of a mid-20’s trust fund baby with a popped collar and leased 3-Series.

Expects respect from people

Speaks of them as Normans, Chads and Stacys.

No wonder you're laughed at.

You can call people whatever you like. They can call you whatever they like too, and that can be funny for them.

They can call you whatever they like too, and that can be funny for them.

And you're basically giving leniency towards disrespect...

Yeah, but giving people respect extends to the way you carry yourself when they are not around. How can they properly repect you when you can't even properly respect them in the way you talk about them?

Gonna go out on limb (mostly because of the ridiculous terminology you use) and say you probably deserved it. Keep on being subhuman

"Getting bullied" haha ok. Grown ass man getting bullied you definitely deserve whatever you get. Fucking weak

Heroin* and nice comeback. Go cry in the gym bathroom some some more bc a group of women laughed at your weak chin. Fucking try me ho

Lol I love how you keep going back to the dope when you literally just said you cope by "listening to music, getting shitfaced/high and crying a lot" but ok nice try dude

Excessive use of any drug is a problem.

It doesn't matter what it is, if you use it too much, it WILL fuck up your life all the same.

It doesn't matter if it's heroin, alcohol, or anything in between.

A drug is a drug.

As far as addiction goes, though, generally alcohol, heroin, and meth are the ones that will ruin lives.

Trying to claim alcohol is somehow the "morally superior" because it's legal, or whatever high horse you're trying to ride, is laughable.

You claim you get high, and then make low blows because someone else gets high as well.

Get the fuck out of here.

I want to see you bleeding

Who the fuck are you

Look man, not everyone is out to destroy you. If you do encounter those types of people, you need to understand that, behind those hollywood smiles and hard bodies, they are deeply miserable people; therefore, nothing they say or do even matters.

The best thing you can do is laugh at or ignore them. Fuck those people and find the good ones. My circle of friends consists exclusively of the freaks, geeks, and outcasts and honestly, they're the most damn welcoming people I've ever known.

That's great man! I hope this experience is a turning point for your relationships with people.

I was afraid they'd join in on the bullying like everyone else did when I was growing up.

Shit, this almost made me cry

I fucking dude

Attractive and unattractive people can both be either shit or sweet. It's just a shell for a personality.

I hope those jerks don't turn you down from exercising. Jerks are everywhere, ignore them. Not worth your time. I believe their are more decent folks than terrible. Keep your chin up, you've got this!

That's sucks

I would have had your back on that bullshit, not all girls are like that man. In fact, they are probably jealous deep down that you are working to change your appearance and they have already peaked. Keep doing you dude. Fuck the haters.

Chad, Stacy, Norman you guys have your oen language wtf

“Ethnic subhuman”

and then everyone clapped and the trainer gave you 100$. OP's name, Albert Einstein

You are actual scum. Something actually positive in this sub and you are an asshole?

Something actually positive

You mean actually fake. This story is literally designed to try and make you feel something in an attempt to get upvotes and attentional

How do you know it's fake?

group of girls hanging out at the gym, using only one machine while hanging out on their phones and mocking random gym goers

No one does this.

Receptionist following someone and waiting outside the change room

Change room being in between the front door and reception

They are always inside the gym, usually in some back corner

Receptionist and trainer and normal dudes going off on the girls for bullying and banning them and "notifying other gyms"

This first part is pretty clearly wish fulfillment on OP's part. Gyms don't generally allow bullying but banning multiple people at once for one instance of bullying isn't something they'd do. They also can't notify "all other gyms". It's not like there's a network of gym owners.

free three month membership Gyms will rarely give multi month memberships without even longer paid contracts.

The odds that everything here happened as presented are incredibly low

tl:dr "I'm bitter"

I like stories with a happy ending but there's no point if they're clearly not real.

When you don't have time to read and think, you shouldn't post.

Well I mean for the first one I've seen it a couple times, stupid as it is

*If it's a franchise it's like a button click to notify other gyms

My gym had the change room right next to front door, had to pass reception to lift

Most gyms do ban on first offense for bullying. They want people in the gym. One bully can alienate multiple paying customers at zero benefit to the gym*

I'm really curious how you make sweeping generalizations, based on very little, call the fact, and then spit venom back at the world after digesting that much of your own bs

It's not an especially useful skill but it is unique

Sweeping generalisations based on very little fact...you mean like calling attractive fit men Chads and attractive women Stacies?

There's a strict no harassment policy at my gym as well, and it's not some special snowflake gym, just a regular gym. It says right on the contract it's grounds for canceling membership, no warnings. Notifying other gyms probably just meant other gyms in the chain, which again is the same thing here.

No one does this

They do. I've seen it a million times. Even some spastic guy in my class does this

They are always inside the gym, usually in some back corner

Gym I went to had changing rooms right next to reception. You could be a receptionist ralking at a normal volume and they'd hear you.

This first part is pretty clearly wish fulfillment on OP's part. Gyms don't generally allow bullying but banning multiple people at once for one instance of bullying isn't something they'd do.

Almost every gym has an absolute ZERO tolerance policy against bullying. It's really bad for business. Also, if it's a chain, it's pisseasy to notify other gyms in the vicinity. If someone takes a shit on the floor at a McDicks at the west side of town, you're not getting in the one at east side either, that's for damn sure.

Gyms will rarely give multi month memberships without even longer paid contracts.

Quite the opposite. Literally every gym in my vicinity has deals that give you a free couple of months if you sign up for a year. Places like this generally give coupons or free stuff if a customer had a particularly bad experience.

The odds that everything here happened as presented are incredibly low

That's why we haven't seen many posts like it. I like to give him the benefit of the doubt, since it's life fuel

What's the point in designing a fake story for reddit upvotes?

People lie online all the time for upvotes/reblogs/retweets etc or straight up just for attention and fun.

You are very new to reddit.

wooosh

And you didn't try and get her number?

Don’t give up on the gym! Keep working to be your best self and to make yourself happy. Don’t listen to the haters because they have no relevance to your life!

Please don’t call yourself an ‘ethnic subhuman’. It’s not true and you shouldn’t put yourself down like that.

ITS OVER IF YOU ARE NOT CHAD

F

go back to r/cringeanarchy

Goddamn he deleted his account...

If all the fucks here acting like this is bullshit had something to do wit him doing something stupid.

I mean goddamn people...he was one of your own

Lmao wow, this comment actually made me laugh. Thank you.

Poor fucking guy ):

Poor guy.... I guess this just shows that all you need to do is to treat these people with some humility and kindness.

The only post on this sub I'll ever agree with

Really didn't expect the top post of all time in this sub would be about justice porn.

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Damn dude, I almost fuckin cried reading your story. "People" who make fun of someone who's trying to better themselves are fuckin horrible. Keep it up my dude!

The fact that people bully people who are actively trying to fix what they're bullied for is just shameful

Fake and gay

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Your a fucking pussy.

r/thathappened

So fucking /r/thatHappened it's making my blood vessels invert

lol pussy

Keep going to the gym man. Fuck all the idiots who try to bring you down. When people do shit like that it means that they're extremely insecure. At the end of the day pity falls on to them because they're adults but they are rotten on the inside while you garber sympathy and empathy because you're just being targeted and it could've been anyone one of us your position.

This reminds me of the time I was in a public swimming pool. I was on the diving board and then some girls were looking at me and said "Look at that guy, he doesn't know how to dive" then I told my friend about it and he told me to just ignore them. So I just left the diving board and left the girls hanging.

Fck man this was beautiful

My god this wholesome

Is this satire?

Hey man props to you for even trying to go to the gym. You are a person as well and don't put yourself down. You are not a subhuman.

If you feel uncomfortable like I did when I first started at the gym, try wearing sunglasses that are tinted. I felt a little less nervous and it also helped me learn how to use the machines because I could watch other people without feeling awkward.

I know dat feel bro.
Am in my mid-twenties and have a hard time remebering that Im not in high school anymore.
The war is over man.
People are not mean normally - they are nice.

I think it's time you got off this horrible subreddit.

This was a great story dude, hope youre still going to the gym

Didn't know such gyms exist

ever consider that if you stoped lumping everyone in groups like "stacies" and "chads" people might care about you more?

This is next level satire

Now this is satire!

You do not have to repeat that in every single comment and post you make.

The second. I still haven't met a woman who did the first. Ain't that a shame.

Relieving me of my suffering would be nice.

hey, normans aren't as great as we used to be. once we where the invaders, now we are being invaded.

Yeah you're right about everything, that's why you post stupid shit in /r/unpopularopinions all fucking day and get shut the fuck down

Thank you, and I meant it from my heart.

Honestly, i’m surprised at how self destructive this community, as a whole, is. I wandered on for the curiosity and laughs at just how ridiculous the ideology in here can be.

But it’s genuinely shocking to me just how surprised these guys act when people act normal. they’ve taken this self hatred of their virginity so far that people acting normal surprises or angers them.

How are they ever going to improve if that is their mentality?

When I said those “Normans” and “chads” that defended him were you, me, and him, I meant it. I’ve had the pleasure of participating in a few clubs, and that is exactly how most people in a club will act when one of their own is attacked, or when someone new is being harassed.

The core problem of incel ideology is the idea that sex is owed them. As long as that forms the core of their self identity, no self improvement can be made because the world will always look hostile as intimidating.

I really hope he read my message and it motivated them, because if he fully adopts what this subreddit has to offer, i’m afraid he’ll fall into the same cycle of self hatred and misogyny that the rest of the regular patrons of this sub has fallen into.

How does it feel to be hated unanimously by people in the real world and on the internet?

You’re a small-dicked, one-arm having ass faggot

This happened a month ago you idiot

"Getting bullied" haha ok. Grown ass man getting bullied you definitely deserve whatever you get. Fucking weak

Heroin* and nice comeback. Go cry in the gym bathroom some some more bc a group of women laughed at your weak chin. Fucking try me ho

no chad is. normie is mid tier.

Nice moral pedestal bro. You’re above discussion because you don’t like stereotyp- oh wait, you just stereotyped me... If you actually were interested in critical concepts and not just getting a pat on the back for spouting basic self help advice while ignoring specifics, then maybe you’d actually have something to say.

What’s another commenter got to do with me? Oh wait, we’re all the same...but we shouldn’t define ourselves by such an identity...im confused...

I don’t hate myself. Where did you infer that from?

You did nothing to stop OP from hating himself. What you did was actually worse by sending him down a path without the truth and how to actually tackle it. Something he’s been following his entire life that has led him to such a state of mental fragility. He should just ‘get over’ his lack of ability to acquire sex. It doesn’t actually mean anything, right? We’re just robots after all.

an incel that may advocate for rape

Wow you really do paint us all with the same brush. I knew this about you when I read your first comment and how irrelevant it actually was to why we are all here. You truly know nothing about us as people. We’re just a group to you. Typical modern virtue signalling normie.

Bottom line is women judge men on a set of values and society never tells men what these values are while actively lying about them. Here we are talking about them and deciding what we can do about them. Your advice is “just forget about it bro. Build a boat”. No advice on solving the actual issue or addressing the real reason we’re here.

Lol. Let me reiterate. Get the fuck out.

Depends entirely on what you write. If you're talking about fiction or creative non-fiction, sure. You essentially work for yourself and, unless you've "made it", must advertise and market your writing.

Then how do you advertise and market your writing with no money or people willing to vouch for you?

I enjoyed setting personal goals for myself and meeting them. Attractiveness is just a side bonus.

I enjoyed setting personal goals for myself and meeting them.

And that in itself is attractive.

One of the best comments I've seen on reddit. Compassionate wisdom.