Abusive relationships are the best proof of the blackpill. Either females can sense personality but still choose to be with someone abusive which means that looks are all that matter or they can't sense it so it can't be the personality that keeps us incel. No matter how you see it, the blackpill is right.
Abuse is a complex thing, but in short, most people who are abused by partner's have also been brainwashed by them, or live in intense fear of leaving them.
Charisma only disarms the weak-minded; if you let yourself be disarmed just because someone is charming, that's your doing, and the consequences are your fault.
The thing about being disarmed is that it isn't a choice. You're the one being disingenuous. Youre pretending to live in a world where no one can trick anyone, no one can lie, unless you want them to. This is why you'll never stop being an incel. You refuse reality
The misogyny morphs your face and makes you shorter. That's why tall, chiseled men are never misogynists and therefor never have any trouble with women.
of course, didn't you know? someone of biggest bank heists in history were done by roasties who were brainwashed by Chad. And you know the women who tried to assassinate Hitler secretly during world war 2? Also roasties brainwashed by Chad.
I can spot an asshole by talking to him for about 5 min. Women are attracted to the traits that make guys abusive so they don't see it till they become "brainwashed" more like cockwashed..
Adult women have agency, and are capable of making their own choices. Our culture facilitates a lack of female accountability and responsibility; if they make poor decisions, it's somehow the fault of a man.
Fuck abused women. They deserve what they get. They wanted a dominant assertive Chad over the nice guys they rejected. Well, you reap what you sow, slut.
Watch Judge Judy. Whenever a femoid claims "abuse", within 5 questions she's admitted to doing something abusive or instigating the whole situation. Just lol @ the abuser/victim paradigm.
The latter is solid and objective anecdotal evidence. All models which inherently cast females as victims and men as perpetrators are self-evidently bunk.
I'm sorry, you must be forgetting the point - abuse is not always reciprocal, and when it isn't, no matter the gender, they're more than likely in fear for their life.
and when it isn't, no matter the gender, they're more than likely in fear for their life.
lol. Most people being "abused" fear for their life? What people fear is irrelevant anyway. The number of people in domestic situations whose life is actually under threat is miniscule.
I know a family with a man, a woman and two children. The man is abusive to his wife and kids. She won't leave him because she is afraid of what will happen to her family if she does -after all he's a violent and abusive man. That situation has fuck all to do with looks and honestly it's pretty offensive to any and all victims of domestic abuse that your weighs suggest otherwise.
If she could only have sensed his personality before Chad impragned her two times. But well it looks like females can't sense personalities which means incels are incels because of our looks.
Successful abusers tend to be attractive, charming, and manipulative. They rope people into relationships and then use manipulation, gaslighting, and fear tactics to keep them there and get their narcissistic supply. They have personality where it initially counts, and that's how they draw people in. They're good liars - they SEEM nice, and the abuse starts gradually. A lot of people in ongoing abusive relationships don't even see it as abuse or are in denial because they have been brainwashed over weeks or months, as another poster said.
No one "senses" personality. It's just how you treat people, how you act in social situations. It amazes me that a community with a significant population of self-confessed socially inept people are mostly unable to acknowledge the concept that they may be making social missteps they're not even aware of, and that it might be part of why they're incel.
You ignored my entire post aside from my acknowledgement that they tend to be attractive and fixated on looks as the sole reason why they're successful. Abusers leverage their looks in a very deliberate way.
Truth bombs. I tried explaining this to /u/Neomancr but he kept coming up with shitty excuses about how rapists, burglars, serial killers, child molesters and baby killers all have great personalities that attract women.
What about sub 8 abusive assholes then smart guy? The stereotypical abusive asshole is the short balding gross fat guy. And you see that way more often than the sexy Chad abuser.
Still not subhuman trash. And just because you personally see one type more than the other doesn't mean it's the norm. The Chads could be abusing them behind closed doors and the girl not wanting to lose Chad would stay quiet about it.
Now you're just making shit up and even you know it.
You want to believe that there is an epidemic if sexy abusive Chads but there isn't. The vast majority of women aren't even with Chads and the vast majority of abusers are sub 8.
I'm not saying there is an epidemic or that the vast majority are with Chad. I'm saying that the numbers reported will be inaccurate because not a lot of people report domestic abuse.
Besides, you didn't address my point of those abusers not being ugly subhumans.
The point has been addressed. You're trying to draw a connection between attractiveness and abusiveness that isn't there.
It hasn't and i'm not. You just create straw mans you argue with and then you think you've addressed a point, when in reality you haven't.
You are trying to make a point out of how some abusers happen to be Chad and drawing a causality connection no?
Go study Dread game if you wanna learn how abusiveness works.
So first you Normans say that PUA tricks don't work, and now you're telling me that it does work? Make up your mind.
I'm not saying it "works" like I said, the red pillers are always afraid of being cucked so they admitted empty dread game which is strategic psychological abuse
You don't really have to do that but insecure idiots feel the need to.
You are trying to make a point out of how some abusers happen to be Chad and drawing a causality connection no?
I'm saying that they don't notice any red flags or choose to ignore them because of their partner's looks. If you read the news, there were accusations against a White House staff member, that he abused his ex wife. His ex wife said that while they were dating, she ignored all the red flags that would've told her that he is an abusive arsehole. Now why did she choose to ignore it when they were dating? Because he is a Chad.
I'm not saying it "works" like I said, the red pillers are always afraid of being cucked so they admitted empty dread game which is strategic psychological abuse
But you told me to go check it out to see how it works. That means the abusers use this method on their partners, and that it does work. But now you're saying it doesn't? Make up your mind boyo, it's 2018 not 1953.
You are trying to make a point out of how some abusers happen to be Chad and drawing a causality connection no?
I'm saying that they don't notice any red flags or choose to ignore them because of their partner's looks. If you read the news, there were accusations against a White House staff member, that he abused his ex wife. His ex wife said that while they were dating, she ignored all the red flags that would've told her that he is an abusive arsehole. Now why did she choose to ignore it when they were dating? Because he is a Chad.
So again what about when they "choose" to ignore it with sub 8s?
The charming psychopath / sociopath it a well known thing. They have a mask they were and use it like the way cops do good cop bad cop.
Women get emotionally invested in their men regardless of their looks.
You're trying to make it seem as if abusive assholes are all good looking when that's not the case at all. Women just tend to put up with a lot of bullshit and try to see the best in the people they love. Any guy in a relationship knows that. Shit I'm a broke guy that's always trying to fight the system. No girl gains anything by putting up with me. Practically nothing I do has a chance of being lucrative because I can't help but to always do things that most the industry are opposed to.
Even when I got into tech writing I just ended up burning bridges by reporting on things that I wasn't supposed to. That'd the entire point of this account. That makes it really hard to climb the ladder since all I do is make your lying peers look bad.
I'm not saying it "works" like I said, the red pillers are always afraid of being cucked so they admitted empty dread game which is strategic psychological abuse
But you told me to go check it out to see how it works. That means the abusers use this method on their partners, and that it does work. But now you're saying it doesn't? Make up your mind boyo, it's 2018 not 1953.
No I didn't say I worked. I explained the motivation behind it and why insecure men believe it works. The red pill ideology is a scam, all it does is get them cucked so they can be returning customers. All they do is force women to cuck them then they claim AWALT.
So again what about when they "choose" to ignore it with sub 8s?
Someone sub 8 isn't 2/10. You can still be attractive to a female if you're 5/10. They might also be with you for the money.
The charming psychopath / sociopath it a well known thing. They have a mask they were and use it like the way cops do good cop bad cop.
I agree. But you make claims about women being able to notice what incels write online, but then you go saying that they can't see red flags about people who could potentially harm/murder them? That doesn't make any sense. Why is one group of people able to hide one side of their life, but not the other? Explain that to me.
Women get emotionally invested in their men regardless of their looks.
Most of the time it's all about looks and/or money.
You're trying to make it seem as if abusive assholes are all good looking when that's not the case at all.
How do you know?
Women just tend to put up with a lot of bullshit and try to see the best in the people they love.
They put up with it because they don't want to lose their attractive boyfriend.
Shit I'm a broke guy that's always trying to fight the system. No girl gains anything by putting up with me.
Then you're a Chang.
No I didn't say it worked. I explained the motivation behind it and why insecure men believe it works.
You told me to go on their sub to see how that abusive behaviour works. How abusers behave and how they prevent their partners from leaving them. But then all of a sudden you say it doesn't work. Like I said. Make up your mind.
So again what about when they "choose" to ignore it with sub 8s?
Someone sub 8 isn't 2/10. You can still be attractive to a female if you're 5/10. They might also be with you for the money.
For as much as a woman might be with anyone for their money which is less common now than ever, a woman who is with you for only lms will cuck you for another guy with a bit higher of any of those values.
The reason why the lms ideology cropped up this of all generations is because women are for the first time financially independent and don't have to choose based on lms anymore.
In the past women were extensions of men, so they had to choose a man to represent them based on lms. It's also why it's so blatantly racist. This is the pivotal generation, it's like the Civil rights Era of our parents generation finally went from theory to praxis.
The charming psychopath / sociopath it a well known thing. They have a mask they were and use it like the way cops do good cop bad cop.
I agree. But you make claims about women being able to notice what incels write online, but then you go saying that they can't see red flags about people who could potentially harm/murder them? That doesn't make any sense. Why is one group of people able to hide one side of their life, but not the other? Explain that to me.
Because the profile of the sociopath is that he is shameless. His shamelessness allows him to be very good at manipulating people.
Think about it this way.
Weve all seen incel types at clubs who hang out by the wall and steal glances at women all night. Everyone notices, and when women look back at them they look away. Why do they do that?
It's because their conscience and shame are betraying them. They know that they are doing something slimy and dishonest and have no real intention of approaching and getting to know the lady.
If the guy was on the other hand a sociopath he will keep staring and even smile, he will be completely comfortable with it.
At face value this looks identical to when a genuinely good guy is trying to gain the attention of a lady.
So the incel is labeled a creep and the good guy and the sociopath are seen as straight forward genuine and honest people.
Women get emotionally invested in their men regardless of their looks.
Most of the time it's all about looks and/or money.
You're trying to make it seem as if abusive assholes are all good looking when that's not the case at all.
How do you know?
Because we all know assholes. I've known abusive assholes and they were sure as hell not Chads. One of them was a 5 7 yuppie guy. The other was a balding Armenian.
It is way more typical for an insecure asshole to be abusive. The entire psychological profile of an abuser is that he does it out of fear and tries to break the woman to trap her. It's Dread game shit.
Women just tend to put up with a lot of bullshit and try to see the best in the people they love.
They put up with it because they don't want to lose their attractive boyfriend.
The vast majority of women are with normie. The woman is attracted to him on a lot of different levels. If she was only with him for lms she would leave as soon as another person of equal or greater lms shows up.
Shit I'm a broke guy that's always trying to fight the system. No girl gains anything by putting up with me.
Then you're a Chang.
I think I'm good looking, except I have bad skin. BUT you guys base things on psl and would rate me a 3. It's bizarre. You guys think all men should look the same.
I used to think I was ugly because I bought into the media view of attractiveness. In retrospect I now know that I was just brainwashed and girls were even sending me signals all the time and I just ignored them all or thought they were just fucking with me.
Odds are the vast majority of incels have targeted BDD. Madison Avenue has been targeting women forever and now the beam is being turned on men.
No I didn't say it worked. I explained the motivation behind it and why insecure men believe it works.
You told me to go on their sub to see how that abusive behaviour works.How abusers behave and how they prevent their partners from leaving them. But then all of a sudden you say it doesn't work. Like I said. Make up your mind.
I never said it works. Go back and read it. I said that it's what insecure idiots BELIEVE works.
The way the red pill "works" (by works I mean the mechanics, not the effectiveness) is that it targets men who are insecure and plays their insecurities up. They are taught that all women are only with them for LMS and will cuck them immediately for another man of a higher value of any one of those stats.
Men who are that insecure will become jealous possessive assholes out of fear. This is unavoidable. The red pillers then created something called Dread game which is a way of coping with their insecurities via trying to attack the woman's insecurities.
This is clearly unsustainable and so they all get cucked and then cope by declaring AWALT
For as much as a woman might be with anyone for their money which is less common now than ever, a woman who is with you for only lms will cuck you for another guy with a bit higher of any of those values.
No it's not. An incredibly high amount of women ask for a guy to have a good job, be over 6 feet tall, to have a big dick and be handsome. Lookism matters much more today than ever before. Same with money.
Weve all seen incel types at clubs who hang out by the wall and steal glances at women all night. Everyone notices, and when women look back at them they look away. Why do they do that?
Literally nobody thinks of them as Incels... They're creepy, but that doesn't mean they're incels.
So the incel is labeled a creep and the good guy and the sociopath are seen as straight forward genuine and honest people.
If the "incel" type you talked about was handsome, nobody would have an issue with his behaviour. It's only because he's ugly that they think he's creepy.
Because we all know assholes. I've known abusive assholes and they were sure as hell not Chads. One of them was a 5 7 yuppie guy. The other was a balding Armenian.
Two anecdotes definitely gives you the whole picture. /s
It is way more typical for an insecure asshole to be abusive. The entire psychological profile of an abuser is that he does it out of fear and tries to break the woman to trap her. It's Dread game shit.
Prove it.
I used to think I was ugly because I bought into the media view of attractiveness. In retrospect I now know that I was just brainwashed and girls were even sending me signals all the time and I just ignored them all or thought they were just fucking with me.
Because you're a Chang, lol. Us subhuman incels never got any signals. Well I did, but they were sending signals telling me to kill myself.
I never said it works. Go back and read it. I said that it's what insecure idiots BELIEVE works.
You told me to read about it to understand how abusive men abuse their girlfriends/wives. That means you do believe it works.
For as much as a woman might be with anyone for their money which is less common now than ever, a woman who is with you for only lms will cuck you for another guy with a bit higher of any of those values.
No it's not. An incredibly high amount of women ask for a guy to have a good job, be over 6 feet tall, to have a big dick and be handsome. Lookism matters much more today than ever before. Same with money.
So days the lmsers who then say "don't listen to women! Listen to a bunch of cucks!"
Women are more financially liberated than ever and are no longer accessories of men. In our parents generation women needed to choose men based on lms, they had no choice. Their choice of men determined their caste. That's less true now than ever.
The minority who still do are the focus on the lmsers who are just straight up lying to everyone about what it's really about.
If you watch red pill videos you'll find that they all speak from the perspective of rich white guys who are upset because all they have left are gold digger floozies who are cucking them since the relationship was only about lms anyway. They are then trying to convince others that AWALT to feel better about themselves.
Weve all seen incel types at clubs who hang out by the wall and steal glances at women all night. Everyone notices, and when women look back at them they look away. Why do they do that?
Literally nobody thinks of them as Incels... They're creepy, but that doesn't mean they're incels.
They are thought of as men who don't have the social skills to get laid.
They are the stereotype of an incel, which is an introvert who's out of touch with society.
So the incel is labeled a creep and the good guy and the sociopath are seen as straight forward genuine and honest people.
If the "incel" type you talked about was handsome, nobody would have an issue with his behaviour. It's only because he's ugly that they think he's creepy.
That's not true at all. There are plenty of handsome guys who creep women out. The stereotype of the dude Bro is a loud asshole who is gross and rapey.
The idea that good looking people are all loved and can do no wrong is such a cope. Elliot Roger was a good looking guy, he was at least above average. He has wealth and came from a high status family. Any one of us could have slayed if we were born into his shoes.
You know that it's bullshit I'm sure. I'm positive that you have known attractive people that you didn't just unconditionally love.
Because we all know assholes. I've known abusive assholes and they were sure as hell not Chads. One of them was a 5 7 yuppie guy. The other was a balding Armenian.
Two anecdotes definitely gives you the whole picture. /s
It is way more typical for an insecure asshole to be abusive. The entire psychological profile of an abuser is that he does it out of fear and tries to break the woman to trap her. It's Dread game shit.
Prove it.
Which part? That there are abusive assholes that are ugly? That is a stereotype because we all see it all the time. Beyond that you can do research into abusive relationships. This is the typical MO.
When you hear of celebrities who are abusive men they're obviously all gonna be at least high l m and or s so of course you're gonna claim "she's with him because he's a celebrity!"
I used to think I was ugly because I bought into the media view of attractiveness. In retrospect I now know that I was just brainwashed and girls were even sending me signals all the time and I just ignored them all or thought they were just fucking with me.
Because you're a Chang, lol. Us subhuman incels never got any signals. Well I did, but they were sending signals telling me to kill myself.
I've seen plenty of pictures of guys here who believe they're ugly and they were at worse average. If anything they just look bland and that is probably the real issue.
If you are really so uncomfortable to look at that sucks, but I see so many people who are at worst not bead turners but are average guys.
I think I'll get flack for saying this but I think you guys should go to a rave and do some E. That'll get you used to letting the oxytocin flow and and loosen you all up to being a natural affectionate male.
I seriously think that would help you guys a lot. Being comfortable as a male nowadays is harder because of all the political noise. If everyone just decluttered, dropped the all the defenses, let go of past grievances and became comfortable with letting loose your inner nature I think you'd all do fine.
I never said it works. Go back and read it. I said that it's what insecure idiots BELIEVE works.
You told me to read about it to understand how abusive men abuse their girlfriends/wives. That means you do believe it works.
Why do you keep wanting to believe I said that? For the 3rd time I said that insecure men feel the need to do that, but you don't have to. I sure as hell don't constantly strategize ways to make my wife into an insecure mess. That's ridiculous.
BUT if I let myself by into all the BS I would become an insecure asshole and I would be afraid of being cucked all the time. This would turn me into a monster and I would most likely begin naturally applying Dread game or even become abusive. Insecurity just does that.
Current talking (coping) point for normies is that they like to say that it is not womens fault for not sensing bad personalities because charisma disarms the creepers.
But charisma is basically personality, so normies are basically saying that being charming yes sociopathic counts as a “good personality”.
Yeah the Halo effect is annoying as all hell. Then you get the reverse Halo effect which means that really 'creepdars' are only effective on rare occasions. To the point where they're pretty much useless.
82 comments
1 Kennnny27 2018-02-09
damn faulty creepdar, only works on uggos
1 puresuifuel 2018-02-09
this is actually some deep ass shit when you think about it. your face/body is a camouflage for your mind
1 MrVigor 2018-02-09
To be fair I'm sure the 'camo' matches the 'mind'
1 MaleFAer 2018-02-09
Abusive relationships are the best proof of the blackpill. Either females can sense personality but still choose to be with someone abusive which means that looks are all that matter or they can't sense it so it can't be the personality that keeps us incel. No matter how you see it, the blackpill is right.
1 pepsi_onion 2018-02-09
You must not know how abuse works.
1 ranseroto 2018-02-09
Not an argument
1 pepsi_onion 2018-02-09
It isn't an argument that you're spewing shit?
Lol k
1 ranseroto 2018-02-09
Saying "You must not know how abuse works." and then not explaining is not an argument
1 pepsi_onion 2018-02-09
Abuse is a complex thing, but in short, most people who are abused by partner's have also been brainwashed by them, or live in intense fear of leaving them.
You're welcome, sweet pea.
1 ranseroto 2018-02-09
So abusers can brainwash people instantly?
1 pepsi_onion 2018-02-09
It usually takes a long time, or they're already damaged by previous relationships. This is documented quite well.
1 ranseroto 2018-02-09
I thought women could sense bad personalities though
1 pepsi_onion 2018-02-09
An annoying twat is not the same thing as a charismatic sociopath.
1 ranseroto 2018-02-09
So you're saying that a a charismatic sociopath is better than incels. Hmmm interesting
1 pepsi_onion 2018-02-09
No, I'm saying they can hide their unpleasantries for longer than you.
1 ranseroto 2018-02-09
surely women should be able to see through their charisma though
1 pepsi_onion 2018-02-09
That's not how it works, man. Charisma disarms you.
1 ranseroto 2018-02-09
Except when you're an incel, it seems. Really makes you think
1 pepsi_onion 2018-02-09
I think you're not as charismatic as you think.
1 bigantennaemay1 2018-02-09
Charisma only disarms the weak-minded; if you let yourself be disarmed just because someone is charming, that's your doing, and the consequences are your fault.
1 pepsi_onion 2018-02-09
Ah, right. Everyone who likes charming people is weak, and you're super extra strong. That's why women ignore you, huh? Your massive strength?
1 bigantennaemay1 2018-02-09
Mental fortitude, not strength. Don't be a disingenuous ass.
You choose to be disarmed by charm; you suffer the consequences of something that is your fault. Live with it.
1 pepsi_onion 2018-02-09
The thing about being disarmed is that it isn't a choice. You're the one being disingenuous. Youre pretending to live in a world where no one can trick anyone, no one can lie, unless you want them to. This is why you'll never stop being an incel. You refuse reality
1 not_good_looking 2018-02-09
Ok so basically what you are telling us is that it is ok to be the worst human in the world as long as we are charismatic?
LOL
1 not_good_looking 2018-02-09
So charisma is not personality? You seem to be the only person who doesn’t realise Your argument is sinking deeper and deeper into oblivion
1 PROLAPSED_SUBWOOFER 2018-02-09
The misogyny morphs your face and makes you shorter. That's why tall, chiseled men are never misogynists and therefor never have any trouble with women.
--/r/IncelTards.
1 patheticsubhuman 2018-02-09
of course, didn't you know? someone of biggest bank heists in history were done by roasties who were brainwashed by Chad. And you know the women who tried to assassinate Hitler secretly during world war 2? Also roasties brainwashed by Chad.
1 incel801 2018-02-09
I can spot an asshole by talking to him for about 5 min. Women are attracted to the traits that make guys abusive so they don't see it till they become "brainwashed" more like cockwashed..
1 inbeforecell 2018-02-09
Adult women have agency, and are capable of making their own choices. Our culture facilitates a lack of female accountability and responsibility; if they make poor decisions, it's somehow the fault of a man.
Fuck abused women. They deserve what they get. They wanted a dominant assertive Chad over the nice guys they rejected. Well, you reap what you sow, slut.
1 pepsi_onion 2018-02-09
Haha, sure man.
They aren't just brainwashed in a day, and abuse almost never begins with the relationship
1 frankwashere44 2018-02-09
lol gd 1 brah
1 frankwashere44 2018-02-09
lol, most abuse is mutual. Toxic relationships.
Watch Judge Judy. Whenever a femoid claims "abuse", within 5 questions she's admitted to doing something abusive or instigating the whole situation. Just lol @ the abuser/victim paradigm.
1 pepsi_onion 2018-02-09
Wow I forgot judge Judy was scientific rigor
1 frankwashere44 2018-02-09
More so than agenda-driven feminist pop psychology.
1 pepsi_onion 2018-02-09
Ah, so all the psychology you disagree with is bunk, but judge Judy is the real deal? You poor deluded soul.
1 frankwashere44 2018-02-09
The latter is solid and objective anecdotal evidence. All models which inherently cast females as victims and men as perpetrators are self-evidently bunk.
http://pb.rcpsych.org/content/35/1/33.1
1 pepsi_onion 2018-02-09
I'm sorry, you must be forgetting the point - abuse is not always reciprocal, and when it isn't, no matter the gender, they're more than likely in fear for their life.
1 frankwashere44 2018-02-09
Where did I say it was?
lol. Most people being "abused" fear for their life? What people fear is irrelevant anyway. The number of people in domestic situations whose life is actually under threat is miniscule.
1 not_good_looking 2018-02-09
So basically you are confirming what the OP said: they are brainwashed by their looks
1 frankwashere44 2018-02-09
According to r/relationships it's when a male does anything that a female dislikes.
1 homendailha 2018-02-09
I know a family with a man, a woman and two children. The man is abusive to his wife and kids. She won't leave him because she is afraid of what will happen to her family if she does -after all he's a violent and abusive man. That situation has fuck all to do with looks and honestly it's pretty offensive to any and all victims of domestic abuse that your weighs suggest otherwise.
1 MaleFAer 2018-02-09
If she could only have sensed his personality before Chad impragned her two times. But well it looks like females can't sense personalities which means incels are incels because of our looks.
1 NotQuiteSane42 2018-02-09
Successful abusers tend to be attractive, charming, and manipulative. They rope people into relationships and then use manipulation, gaslighting, and fear tactics to keep them there and get their narcissistic supply. They have personality where it initially counts, and that's how they draw people in. They're good liars - they SEEM nice, and the abuse starts gradually. A lot of people in ongoing abusive relationships don't even see it as abuse or are in denial because they have been brainwashed over weeks or months, as another poster said.
No one "senses" personality. It's just how you treat people, how you act in social situations. It amazes me that a community with a significant population of self-confessed socially inept people are mostly unable to acknowledge the concept that they may be making social missteps they're not even aware of, and that it might be part of why they're incel.
1 MaleFAer 2018-02-09
There I cut your rambling down to the thing that matters.
1 NotQuiteSane42 2018-02-09
Well, childish bullshit is always a viable alternative to an actual argument, I suppose
1 MaleFAer 2018-02-09
What argument? That they are manipulative? Their good looks manipulate how their actions are seen, thats called Halo Effect
1 NotQuiteSane42 2018-02-09
You ignored my entire post aside from my acknowledgement that they tend to be attractive and fixated on looks as the sole reason why they're successful. Abusers leverage their looks in a very deliberate way.
1 Brazierlord 2018-02-09
genius
1 a_man_says_this 2018-02-09
I come here for posts like this. Thank you
1 Face-Hit-By-A-Lorry 2018-02-09
Truth bombs. I tried explaining this to /u/Neomancr but he kept coming up with shitty excuses about how rapists, burglars, serial killers, child molesters and baby killers all have great personalities that attract women.
1 neomancr 2018-02-09
What about sub 8 abusive assholes then smart guy?
1 Face-Hit-By-A-Lorry 2018-02-09
Still not subhuman trash. And just because you personally see one type more than the other doesn't mean it's the norm. The Chads could be abusing them behind closed doors and the girl not wanting to lose Chad would stay quiet about it.
1 neomancr 2018-02-09
Now you're just making shit up and even you know it.
You want to believe that there is an epidemic if sexy abusive Chads but there isn't. The vast majority of women aren't even with Chads and the vast majority of abusers are sub 8.
1 Face-Hit-By-A-Lorry 2018-02-09
I'm not saying there is an epidemic or that the vast majority are with Chad. I'm saying that the numbers reported will be inaccurate because not a lot of people report domestic abuse.
Besides, you didn't address my point of those abusers not being ugly subhumans.
1 neomancr 2018-02-09
The point has been addressed. You're trying to draw a connection between attractiveness and abusiveness that isn't there.
1 Face-Hit-By-A-Lorry 2018-02-09
It hasn't and i'm not. You just create straw mans you argue with and then you think you've addressed a point, when in reality you haven't.
So first you Normans say that PUA tricks don't work, and now you're telling me that it does work? Make up your mind.
1 neomancr 2018-02-09
You are trying to make a point out of how some abusers happen to be Chad and drawing a causality connection no?
I'm not saying it "works" like I said, the red pillers are always afraid of being cucked so they admitted empty dread game which is strategic psychological abuse
You don't really have to do that but insecure idiots feel the need to.
1 Face-Hit-By-A-Lorry 2018-02-09
I'm saying that they don't notice any red flags or choose to ignore them because of their partner's looks. If you read the news, there were accusations against a White House staff member, that he abused his ex wife. His ex wife said that while they were dating, she ignored all the red flags that would've told her that he is an abusive arsehole. Now why did she choose to ignore it when they were dating? Because he is a Chad.
But you told me to go check it out to see how it works. That means the abusers use this method on their partners, and that it does work. But now you're saying it doesn't? Make up your mind boyo, it's 2018 not 1953.
1 neomancr 2018-02-09
So again what about when they "choose" to ignore it with sub 8s?
The charming psychopath / sociopath it a well known thing. They have a mask they were and use it like the way cops do good cop bad cop.
Women get emotionally invested in their men regardless of their looks.
You're trying to make it seem as if abusive assholes are all good looking when that's not the case at all. Women just tend to put up with a lot of bullshit and try to see the best in the people they love. Any guy in a relationship knows that. Shit I'm a broke guy that's always trying to fight the system. No girl gains anything by putting up with me. Practically nothing I do has a chance of being lucrative because I can't help but to always do things that most the industry are opposed to.
Even when I got into tech writing I just ended up burning bridges by reporting on things that I wasn't supposed to. That'd the entire point of this account. That makes it really hard to climb the ladder since all I do is make your lying peers look bad.
No I didn't say I worked. I explained the motivation behind it and why insecure men believe it works. The red pill ideology is a scam, all it does is get them cucked so they can be returning customers. All they do is force women to cuck them then they claim AWALT.
1 Face-Hit-By-A-Lorry 2018-02-09
Someone sub 8 isn't 2/10. You can still be attractive to a female if you're 5/10. They might also be with you for the money.
I agree. But you make claims about women being able to notice what incels write online, but then you go saying that they can't see red flags about people who could potentially harm/murder them? That doesn't make any sense. Why is one group of people able to hide one side of their life, but not the other? Explain that to me.
Most of the time it's all about looks and/or money.
How do you know?
They put up with it because they don't want to lose their attractive boyfriend.
Then you're a Chang.
You told me to go on their sub to see how that abusive behaviour works. How abusers behave and how they prevent their partners from leaving them. But then all of a sudden you say it doesn't work. Like I said. Make up your mind.
1 neomancr 2018-02-09
For as much as a woman might be with anyone for their money which is less common now than ever, a woman who is with you for only lms will cuck you for another guy with a bit higher of any of those values.
The reason why the lms ideology cropped up this of all generations is because women are for the first time financially independent and don't have to choose based on lms anymore.
In the past women were extensions of men, so they had to choose a man to represent them based on lms. It's also why it's so blatantly racist. This is the pivotal generation, it's like the Civil rights Era of our parents generation finally went from theory to praxis.
Because the profile of the sociopath is that he is shameless. His shamelessness allows him to be very good at manipulating people.
Think about it this way.
Weve all seen incel types at clubs who hang out by the wall and steal glances at women all night. Everyone notices, and when women look back at them they look away. Why do they do that?
It's because their conscience and shame are betraying them. They know that they are doing something slimy and dishonest and have no real intention of approaching and getting to know the lady.
If the guy was on the other hand a sociopath he will keep staring and even smile, he will be completely comfortable with it.
At face value this looks identical to when a genuinely good guy is trying to gain the attention of a lady.
So the incel is labeled a creep and the good guy and the sociopath are seen as straight forward genuine and honest people.
Because we all know assholes. I've known abusive assholes and they were sure as hell not Chads. One of them was a 5 7 yuppie guy. The other was a balding Armenian.
It is way more typical for an insecure asshole to be abusive. The entire psychological profile of an abuser is that he does it out of fear and tries to break the woman to trap her. It's Dread game shit.
I think I'm good looking, except I have bad skin. BUT you guys base things on psl and would rate me a 3. It's bizarre. You guys think all men should look the same.
I used to think I was ugly because I bought into the media view of attractiveness. In retrospect I now know that I was just brainwashed and girls were even sending me signals all the time and I just ignored them all or thought they were just fucking with me.
Odds are the vast majority of incels have targeted BDD. Madison Avenue has been targeting women forever and now the beam is being turned on men.
I never said it works. Go back and read it. I said that it's what insecure idiots BELIEVE works.
The way the red pill "works" (by works I mean the mechanics, not the effectiveness) is that it targets men who are insecure and plays their insecurities up. They are taught that all women are only with them for LMS and will cuck them immediately for another man of a higher value of any one of those stats.
Men who are that insecure will become jealous possessive assholes out of fear. This is unavoidable. The red pillers then created something called Dread game which is a way of coping with their insecurities via trying to attack the woman's insecurities.
This is clearly unsustainable and so they all get cucked and then cope by declaring AWALT
1 Face-Hit-By-A-Lorry 2018-02-09
No it's not. An incredibly high amount of women ask for a guy to have a good job, be over 6 feet tall, to have a big dick and be handsome. Lookism matters much more today than ever before. Same with money.
Literally nobody thinks of them as Incels... They're creepy, but that doesn't mean they're incels.
If the "incel" type you talked about was handsome, nobody would have an issue with his behaviour. It's only because he's ugly that they think he's creepy.
Two anecdotes definitely gives you the whole picture. /s
Prove it.
Because you're a Chang, lol. Us subhuman incels never got any signals. Well I did, but they were sending signals telling me to kill myself.
You told me to read about it to understand how abusive men abuse their girlfriends/wives. That means you do believe it works.
1 neomancr 2018-02-09
So days the lmsers who then say "don't listen to women! Listen to a bunch of cucks!"
Women are more financially liberated than ever and are no longer accessories of men. In our parents generation women needed to choose men based on lms, they had no choice. Their choice of men determined their caste. That's less true now than ever.
The minority who still do are the focus on the lmsers who are just straight up lying to everyone about what it's really about.
If you watch red pill videos you'll find that they all speak from the perspective of rich white guys who are upset because all they have left are gold digger floozies who are cucking them since the relationship was only about lms anyway. They are then trying to convince others that AWALT to feel better about themselves.
They are thought of as men who don't have the social skills to get laid.
They are the stereotype of an incel, which is an introvert who's out of touch with society.
That's not true at all. There are plenty of handsome guys who creep women out. The stereotype of the dude Bro is a loud asshole who is gross and rapey.
The idea that good looking people are all loved and can do no wrong is such a cope. Elliot Roger was a good looking guy, he was at least above average. He has wealth and came from a high status family. Any one of us could have slayed if we were born into his shoes.
You know that it's bullshit I'm sure. I'm positive that you have known attractive people that you didn't just unconditionally love.
Which part? That there are abusive assholes that are ugly? That is a stereotype because we all see it all the time. Beyond that you can do research into abusive relationships. This is the typical MO.
When you hear of celebrities who are abusive men they're obviously all gonna be at least high l m and or s so of course you're gonna claim "she's with him because he's a celebrity!"
I've seen plenty of pictures of guys here who believe they're ugly and they were at worse average. If anything they just look bland and that is probably the real issue.
If you are really so uncomfortable to look at that sucks, but I see so many people who are at worst not bead turners but are average guys.
I think I'll get flack for saying this but I think you guys should go to a rave and do some E. That'll get you used to letting the oxytocin flow and and loosen you all up to being a natural affectionate male.
I seriously think that would help you guys a lot. Being comfortable as a male nowadays is harder because of all the political noise. If everyone just decluttered, dropped the all the defenses, let go of past grievances and became comfortable with letting loose your inner nature I think you'd all do fine.
Why do you keep wanting to believe I said that? For the 3rd time I said that insecure men feel the need to do that, but you don't have to. I sure as hell don't constantly strategize ways to make my wife into an insecure mess. That's ridiculous.
BUT if I let myself by into all the BS I would become an insecure asshole and I would be afraid of being cucked all the time. This would turn me into a monster and I would most likely begin naturally applying Dread game or even become abusive. Insecurity just does that.
Insecurity is a self fulfilling prophecy.
1 ranseroto 2018-02-09
LOOKING AT WOMEN IS "SLIMY" IF YOU ARE UGLY
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST BOYOS. ITS OOOOOOOVEEEEEEER
1 neomancr 2018-02-09
Nobody said that.
1 ranseroto 2018-02-09
You literally said it yourself
1 neomancr 2018-02-09
Where?
1 ranseroto 2018-02-09
Retardo
1 neomancr 2018-02-09
Lol read it carefully. Where do I say that?
1 ranseroto 2018-02-09
Literally right in front of you
1 neomancr 2018-02-09
So from that you got "ugly people"?
1 ranseroto 2018-02-09
Incel type = ugly
1 neomancr 2018-02-09
Lol no it doesn't.
1 ranseroto 2018-02-09
Lol yes it is
1 neomancr 2018-02-09
Nope.
1 Sniveling_Cur 2018-02-09
Are you people STILL talking to that moron?
1 Face-Hit-By-A-Lorry 2018-02-09
I didn't know about him, so I did that unfortunately. But it looks like nothing will get through his dense skull, so it's better to just ignore him.
1 RealHedgeFund 2018-02-09
wide mouth / palate = biobloc expander
five o' clock full shadow = minoxidil overuse
bright eyes = chemical procedure to change eye color
sharp chiseled jaw line = roids for low BF and chin wing mallofac surgery
lush hairline = hair transplants, minoxidil and anti androgen overload
bright teeth = whitening
Hardcore Transformation. If midface is not up to par = Le Fort II
1 maskedcel 2018-02-09
Nigga, have you lost your mind?
1 RealHedgeFund 2018-02-09
No, study more. There is a chemical that will change color of eyes to blue. Niggers use it a lot.
1 PROLAPSED_SUBWOOFER 2018-02-09
http://www.brightocular.com/patient-photos.htm
If I had a $5000 to waste I'd do it for the hell of it. Not sold in the US so I'd have to travel to Europe for it.
1 not_good_looking 2018-02-09
Current talking (coping) point for normies is that they like to say that it is not womens fault for not sensing bad personalities because charisma disarms the creepers.
But charisma is basically personality, so normies are basically saying that being charming yes sociopathic counts as a “good personality”.
Just lol at their stupid argument
1 Sniveling_Cur 2018-02-09
What's really ironic is that this is exactly the case. Research shows pretty conclusively that women love the Dark Triad
1 genetic_scrap 2018-02-09
Remember folks, he's only creepy if he's unattractive.
Women can only sense your personality if you're unattractive.
Fuck off.
1 NeedinStitches 2018-02-09
Yeah the Halo effect is annoying as all hell. Then you get the reverse Halo effect which means that really 'creepdars' are only effective on rare occasions. To the point where they're pretty much useless.
1 penguinchang 2018-02-09
This is hilarious