I definitely would not have been emotionally mature enough to handle sex at 16.

And think about it... There are kids age 12 humping each other.

This I didn't even think about sex until I was like 19

I'll be a wizard in a few years.

If i'm being honest i'll probably die a virgin. There's just no way an ethnic subhuman like me will ever be loved.

Look for a solution and you will find one. Give up and you will fulfill your own prophecy

There is no solution. I can't change the way society thinks. It's just over for ethnics in 2018.

I’m ethnic and I have no problems. Blaming society is not the solution

Congratulations, you're the exception. I was bullied ever since kindergarten for being an ethnic and i'm still treated like shit because i'm ethnic. Just because I happened to have parents from one part of the world, that's everything the world sees. That's everything I am equated to. I'm not an individual. And you're gonna tell me that this isn't society's fault?

And you're gonna tell me that this isn't society's fault?

No, he's saying you can change it. You can't change your race. But you can change the demographics of your peers... by moving. Go live somewhere where there's less hate for your ethnicity.

No, he's saying you can change it. You can't change your race. But you can change the demographics of your peers... by moving.

I can't though. Moving isn't a simple thing to do.

Go live somewhere where there's less hate for your ethnicity.

My ethnicity is the most hated world wide right now. Even women in my own ethnic group hate the men. No matter where I go, i'll be disliked.

I can't though. Moving isn't a simple thing to do.

It really is. Get on a plane. Travel. See where you fit in more. Keep exploring until you find a place where other men in your race fit in better.

My ethnicity is the most hated world

Syrian? Afghani?

It's still all relative. Some places are very white and racist and more hateful in general. Some places are more diverse and accepting of other cultures.

It really is. Get on a plane. Travel. See where you fit in more. Keep exploring until you find a place where other men in your race fit in better. Then look for work there.

I need skills, money and/or education to do that.

Syrian? Afghani?

Middle-Eastern. But even in the Middle-East i'm an ethnic minority. So all over the world i'm hated for being a Middle-Eastern guy, but even in the Middle-East i'd be hated because of my ethnicity.

It's still all relative. Some places are very white and racist and more hateful in general. Some places are more diverse and accepting of other cultures.

Lol. Orientals, Asians, Middle-Easterners are racist as fuck.

I need skills, money and/or education to do that.

Any idea how many losers with useless BAs and no money or skills still spend years traveling? Work minimum wage. Save money. Max out credit cards. Travel light. Work oddjobs abroad.

So all over the world i'm hated for being a Middle-Eastern guy

The degree of hating varies. There are fucking millions of middle eastern guys in the west now. Some fit in really well. Find cities where that hate is less. Avoid the middle easterners who hate your people.

Any idea how many losers with useless BAs and no money or skills still spend years traveling? Work minimum wage. Save money. Max out credit cards. Travel light. Work oddjobs abroad.

You said move abroad, not to take a vacation. To move abroad I need a visa and to get a visa I need an education that's in demand.

The degree of hating varies. There are fucking millions of middle eastern guys in the west now. Some fit in really well. Find cities where that hate is less. Avoid the middle easterners who hate your people.

And all of them are hated unless they're handsome...

Your incel problem is a much tougher one. But the race thing is solvable. Literally millions of other men find solutions.

It's not just my race that makes me incel. It's only a part of it.

You said move abroad, not to take a vacation.

Do it in steps. The vacation lets you try places out and figure out where you encounter the least racism. Once you find a place, then get a visa and find a way to get work there.

It's not just my race that makes me incel. It's only a part of it.

I didn't say anything would make you stop being incel. I said you could at least escape the racism and bullying.

Do it in steps. The vacation lets you try places out and figure out where you encounter the least racism. Once you find a place, then get a visa and find a way to get work there.

Like I said, it costs money. I don't have any transferable skills, I have crippling social anxiety, I don't know anyone abroad, so how exactly can I afford it? How can I find work abroad? How can I go there if I can't even afford a ticket?

I didn't say anything would make you stop being incel. I said you could at least escape the racism and bullying.

I'd still get bullied for being foreign in those countries or for being an incel.

I'd still get bullied for being foreign in those countries

You don't know until you've actually visited those places. There are millions of unpopular ethnic minorities out there. Most find a way to get by without as much hate and bullying as you're getting.

Like I said, it costs money.

So many poor people do it. Ask them how. I think most just go deep into debt, but who cares if you're already miserable.

You don't know until you've actually visited those places.

I have gone on vacations. It wasn't a warm reception.

There are millions of unpopular ethnic minorities out there. Most find a way to get by without as much hate and bullying as you're getting.

Thank you for proving my point. They don't get as much hate and bullying as I do.

So many poor people do it. Ask them how. I think most just go deep into debt, but who cares if you're already miserable.

Because I don't want to be in debt and be miserable. If I die the burden of my debt will most likely be passed on to other family members.

I have gone on vacations. It wasn't a warm reception.

Oh you've visited everywhere in the world.

They don't get as much hate and bullying as I do.

Thank you for proving my point. They live in different cities than you and get less bullying and hate.

Because I don't want to be in debt and be miserable.

If you're unskilled and have no education, you're headed towards debt and misery anyway. So either go get yourself some skills, slowly save up money on minimum wage, or suck it up and take debt hoping to work it off later.

Oh you've visited everywhere in the world.

I've been to 35 countries.

Thank you for proving my point. They live in different cities than you and get less bullying and hate.

They don't get that much because they're not as ugly and they're not part of the most hated group.

If you're unskilled and have no education, you're headed towards debt and misery anyway.

No i'm not. I work, I have my own apartment.

So either go get yourself some skills, slowly save up money on minimum wage, or suck it up and take debt hoping to work it off later.

I'm spending my money on living expenses and some leisure, the rest of the money I give to my mum.

No i'm not. I work, I have my own apartment. I'm spending my money on living expenses and some leisure.

Ok, then you should be able to save enough to travel and move abroad by managing your money better. You were the one arguing you're too poor and unskilled.

I work at a minimum wage job and i'm too poor to travel abroad.

Like I said already, if you’re not willing to look for a solution and just want to blame society for everything then yes, you will be an incel forever. The blame isn’t with society, it’s with you. But if you can’t see that, then you will be stuck in your situation forever

The blame isn’t with society, it’s with you. But if you can’t see that, then you will be stuck in your situation forever

Yes. It's my fault that I was born brown and bullied for it. It's my fault society hates my kind. It's my fault women are repulsed by my looks. /s

I have friends who had sex for the first time when they were 18-23 (depending on the friend). I’m 22 now, so I don’t know many people older than that, but there ARE people who have sex for the first time after 20!

I lost it at 24. 20 is definitely not the end.

Why are you here then?

Managed to regain it.

Trying to lose it again.

We like laughing at the virgins problems.

More like sympathetic to the cause. Most people don't know what it's like to be a virgin at 25+.

Nothing wrong with being a virgin. Being a self described "incel," however....

Have you ever succeeded in eliciting nudes? I keep trying but the femoids continuously block me.

They're generally synonymous.

Nah, virgins don't have sex. Incels don't have sex and spend their time posting hateful, misogynistic bullshit on the internet. That's why you see incels subs get hate but foreveralone subs get ignored.

I know incels try to claim that the word just means "involuntary celibate," but no one uses it that way except them. Anyone who knows what an incel is describes them as a hateful, bigoted virgin that subscribes to a particular ideology.

Incels are part of a cult, with their own developing language and set of ideals. Half the time people can barely understand them when they first start reading because of all the cult-specific words and acronyms, you actually need glossary to keep up. That's how you know the word "incel" refers to a follower of an ideology and is not a descriptor like "virgin," to which no ideology is attached.

MEH SOH JEE NEEEHHHH

muh soggy knee

You can project your own views of what incel means, but incel will always mean "20+ year old virgin by no choice of his own, generally due to physical appearance".

Nah, definitions are descriptive, not prescriptive. They follow use. And unfortunately for your cult you will always be a tiny fraction of the population so if the term "incel" is popularized you'll have no control over it. Maybe it will broaden to include all virgins trying to get laid, but it's also just as likely that they will want nothing to do with this grotesque ideology that is now linked with the word.

And you guys enforce this restricted definition. As soon as someone professes to be an incel that doesn't hate women, y'all pull out the "no true Scotsman" arguments and say they are a fake. You do the same thing with people who got laid at a young age and then spent the next decade or two in involuntary celibacy (i.e., suddenly you change the definition to only apply to involuntary lifelong virgins). And to attractive virgins. Got your truecels and fakecels and mentalcels, golly would you look at all that gatekeeping cult behavior.

You dont have to hate women to be an incel you deluded mong. I don't hate women and I'm as truecel as they come.

You're seriously deluded about incels if you think a bunch of angry ugly guys venting their frustrations on a few sites compromises a "cult". Also attractive virgins are volcels, this is common knowledge.

Dude, I've worked in the inner city, rural areas, and some suburbs, doing child abuse investigations. There are plenty of ugly fucking dudes, with no money, who pull in women from busted to incredibly hot.

Yeah, some women want physically attractive men. That said, if you think your appearance is why you can't get laid, you're not understanding the fact that personality is miles ahead of that, broadly speaking.

You realize youre not in one of your hugboxes now, right little bitchboy cuck? Take your essays about how incels are literally hitler and fuck off.

Yeah, I'm in your little hugbox. Are you offended? Has your safe space been violated?

And your point is?

Sooooo many people lost their virginity in their twenties. My gf lost hers at 22.

I lost mine at 22 and 10 years later I am normie as all fuck. You guys in this sub have got to stop circle jerking each other on this crap or you're never gonna get better. So glad this toxic internet weirdo culture wasn't as big when I was in college.

I'm at the point of no return. sigh

Lost at 22. Have had 30 plus femoids since, never paid for a single one. Now 26. Believe.

Has your prolific sex life mitigated the regret you had about being a virgin until 22?

I believe. Jk.

I'm also 26. Lost mine at 21 and had 7 femoids since then. Don't believe you.

I'm 40, going to be 41 this year. This chart is mostly inaccurate past the age of 17, in case you were wondering.

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I'd say it's all inaccurate except 20.

Except that 17 is not late at all

???

But 20 is.

Could be worse It’s certainly not over at 20

Missing out on milestones fuck you up mentally. You can catch up but it's almost impossible. Like missing a year of school.

I remember when I was 15-16, all my peers talking about how horrific it would be to get to 18 and not have had sex.

Yeah, but that’s cause they were 15-16 and didn’t know shit. When I was 14 I wrote a story and killed off my main character when she turned 27 cause I was like “She’s just so old that there’s literally no point to her life anymore what would she even do?” But now I get that most people aren’t in their “prime” (career-wise, personality-wise, stability-wise) till their mid-20s to early 30s.

But now I get that most people aren’t in their “prime” (career-wise, personality-wise, stability-wise) till their mid-20s to early 30s.

Notably left out looks-wise. The point and beauty of youth is not having stability, experience etc etc, you're innocent and have a unique perspective on the world. The experiences you have shape you into the person you later become. If you don't have those experiences, you're fucked.

There is no sexual experience milestone, because that's a social norm. My friend got his Ph.D. in psychology, and didn't get laid until he was 32, dated several incredibly beautiful women, and is now married to a gorgeous woman.

I didn't lose my virginity until I was 19, and after that I was just swimming in it until around 24 when I met the woman who would become my wife.

There is no sexual experience milestone, because that's a social norm.

We live in society.

But which society do you live in where the milestone is set at a specific young age?

Most people here lose their virginity at 16-17.

And it isn't just about sex. It's all of the milestones that surround it. Talking to a girl, flirting, getting a number, a date, etc etc. And the respect, approval and validation of being viewed as a potential sexual mate.

Without hanging out 1 on 1, I can't identify what issues someone may be having in the romance department, and even then, I'm not exactly Mr. Suave, nor would I ever describe myself as a player, despite having a period in college where I was just running through partners.

Even so, the biggest hurtle is social acumen. It's probably the hardest thing to change, but it's honestly the most important. Plenty of ugly, short, and broke dudes pull in women. Now, whether most of those women are the types you'd want to form any relationship with is a different story.

Plenty of ugly, short, and broke dudes pull in women.

And plenty of black people become CEOs. Ergo, racism isn't a thing.

Ugly, short and broke women can get sex with ease. Ugly, short broke men cannot. The # of attractive men who are virgins @ 30 is next to none. But "social acumen" is the decisive factor.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the number of ugly dudes with women is a much higher ratio than black CEO's.

I'm a wizard, but haven't still found a spellbook.

fml fml fml

I'm almost a wizard.

I had romantic fantasies and remained hopeful that I would be with a woman until around age 22. I have since resigned myself to the fact that no woman will ever find me attractive nor would any woman want a relationship with me. I still get angry and sad over that fact, but not to the same extent as when I was younger. When I was younger homicidal and suicidal thoughts were a constant and could be triggered by anything. Seeing couples, women dressed provocatively, romantic scenes in tv shows/movies, reading about the sex lives of others, sex scandals in the news, etc. would all trigger either rage or intense self-loathing in me and make me want to hurt myself and/or others.

I think it gets more difficult the older you are. Your peers are getting married, having children, casual sex, etc. They all share experiences, laughs and whatnot, and there you are unable to relate about anything because you've never been kissed, never had a girlfriend, and never had sex.

What hurts the most for me is what I have missed out on. I will never be a teenager again, nor will I ever experience that young, carefree love. Soon, my 20s will be gone and once again, I will have missed out on experiencing companionship with a woman.

Any chance you would be willing to get a hooker?

Never. I'd rather die a kissless virgin than have to pay for it. I want to be desired by a woman.

I recommend one, it's cheaper in the long run and you are not missing on anything. FYI, I never had a GF.

To each their own my friend.

Everybody pays for it, one way or another.

So your telling everyone you practically have no social life so how are you expecting to find a partner?

This hit pretty hard. I've had an abusive drunk father all my life and my mom pretty much abandoned me when I was 8. I've felt in my opinion true depression and pain but I can't imagine what you must feel like.

When something puts me down in the dumps I usually turn to my friends for advice. Honestly if it wasn't for my buddies I would have never had the chance to get laid. Being with friends is what put me out there. Do you have any solid friends to maybe go to a bar with and talk about things?

I don't have any friends but if I did I wouldn't go to the bar. I don't like to be around alcohol, I absolutely despise it.

Alcohol isn't that bad I used to hate it too. Also you should have a social outlet hands down. You don't need women. You need to feel connected to someone. You're an adult right? What do you spend your time doing?

Sleep + computer stuff.

I think you should try to find an out-of-date, social hobby. Find something that you like, whether it's volunteering at a soup kitchen or animal center, or joining some sort of game group, that gets together for D&D or something. There's plenty to choose from. You can bond with people there, and overall I think it will improve your outlook on things.

Real, personal connections, even if it's just a friend rather than a significant other, benefit mental health and works outlook significantly.

but at least you'll gonna unlock all those cool powers

Me

Does being a virgin woman count?

No.

Why? :(

Only male virgins can become wizards.

The can be witches?

Witches or bitches.

White walker or Ogress

I'm still an apprentice, but one day I will acquire ultimate power.

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Reality and fantasy have blurred together so much in my brain that I'm partly excited to be a 50 year-old wizard because a meme told me I'd get magical powers.

I lost mine at 18 but I declined women before that. Does that mean I get some wizard powers?

I think point of no return should be a little further. Maybe mid-20s.

Literally nobody I've ever know has had sex before being 18 years old. It's not something that people should hurry to do, it just kinda happens.

Also, 15 year olds are in high school, not middle school. Unless they got held back.

If abstaining actually gave people the powers of wizardry and necromancy, the world would be a very different place where sex is avoided by many, or used as a tool of disarmament. Roasties would be trained as sex-assassins to sneak into enemy wizard castles and drop pussy-first on them to disable their powers.

31.

I'd say it's all inaccurate except 20.